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Who's the better player?
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Who's the better player?
I'm taking McHale 10 out of 10 times.
Best post player I've ever seen....Hakeem maybe, but McHale had like 50 moves and counter moves for those moves.
well. i have dirk around number 25 all time and mchale around 50 all time. so i'd say easily dirk in my opinion.
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Dirk. No brainer.
Dirk, although Kevin beats him in post-up play and defense.
Difficult to tell - McHale played with 2 other great players for most if not all of his career, and Dirk never really has. I'll take McHale though.
3 votes for Dirk
2 votes for Mchale
i love mchale....but he is simply not on dirk's level.
the first thing people are going to talk about is mchale's defense. this is hugely over-rated. i grew up watching the celtics play and while mchale was a decent defender......he was not a good defender and was marginally better than dirk if it all.
dirk is also a far superior rebounder in the playoffs.
mchale could not take over games in the 4th qtr and has not even close to the crunch time player dirk is. i hate to critique one of my favorites in mchale....but i have a feeling people on this board are going to seriously over-rate certain aspects of his game.
Dirk's a better player overall but takes too many difficult shots and the rest of my team will just stand around and twiddle their thumbs while Dirk sets up free throw line extended and dribbles the ball into the ground to get off a one footed fadeaway.
Getting the ball into the post with McHale would make the offense flow easier, could create open shots due to double teams, or easy scores.
Plus I have no questions about Kevin's toughness/aggressiveness.
This is why I choose Kevin.
[QUOTE=Go Getter][B]Dirk's a better player overall[/B] but takes too many difficult shots and the rest of my team will just stand around and twiddle their thumbs while Dirk sets up free throw line extended and dribbles the ball into the ground to get off a one footed fadeaway.
Getting the ball into the post with McHale would make the offense flow easier, could create open shots due to double teams, or easy scores.
Plus I have no questions about Kevin's toughness/aggressiveness.
This is why I choose Kevin.[/QUOTE]
Erm... the question was not who you'd rather have on your team but who the better player is, so..? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=creepingdeath]Dirk, although Kevin beats him in post-up play and defense.[/QUOTE]
Besides footwork and post up play, Kevin is tougher than Dirk.. btw, i love your avarta, which's the man's toughness that 100 times more than Dirk or Keven:roll:
[QUOTE=alexandreben]Besides footwork and post up play, Kevin is tougher than Dirk.. btw, i love your avarta, which's the man's toughness that 100 times more than Dirk or Keven:roll:[/QUOTE]
Lol trying to take a tally
[QUOTE=creepingdeath]Erm... the question was not who you'd rather have on your team but who the better player is, so..? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
The question isn't that easy for me....Dirk might be a better individual player but McHale was a better team player.
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Possibly the best footwork I've ever seen, no ego, never minded if he was a starter or coming off the bench, just go the job done.
McHale [U]any[/U] day.
3 votes for Mchale
3 votes for Dirk
at the end of the say, I'm rolling with....... Dirk
Dirk Nowitzki
Tough. Both unguardable at their own respective strengths.
I take McHale.
I'll take my favorite player, Dirk. :cheers:
Hard choice, McHale has like the best footwork ever, only Hakeem and few others come close, so if your team needs [B]highly [/B]efficient post player who gets it done, Mchale is the choice. If you need PF who spreads the floor - Dirk is amazing.
McHale peaked at 26.1/9.9/2.6 at 60.3% FG! Thats an insane efficiency, even Shaq in his prime havent reached that.
Dirk peaked at 26.6/9.0/2.8 at 48% FG. In regular season McHale was considerably better, [B]how about playoffs?[/B]
McHale 25.4/8.0/2.4 at 60.3% FG
Dirk 27.0/11.7/2.9 at 46.8% FG.
Dirk is more clutch, but I doubt he is better rebounder though, McHale played with two other ~7ft who each grabbed ~10 rebounds, while Dirk is the main rebounder. IMO as primary rebounder Mchale would grab as much if not more.
For primary option I [I]might [/I]pick Dirk, he elevates his game in the Playoffs, and I value clutchness a lot. His prime lasted longer. But its hard to build around soft jumpshooter, and I dont need to go far to prove my point - with a lot of regular season success Dirk's teams fall flat in the Playoffs, always.
McHale is better as a second option, but then again we dont know how he would have done as a 1st option, super stacked teams makes it harder to evaluate such solid role player. But make no mistake - Dirk wouldnt be 1st option on Bird's Celtics as well.
[B]Bottom line: I would probably choose McHale[/B], as 1st option IMO his points and rebounds would go up, efficiency would go slightly down. Team up him with someone like Ray, Pierce or Melo, and you are set for the Playoffs too. McHale efficiency is mind boggling, he had range too. Against current weak frontcourts he would have a field day, probably 28/12 with 55%, definitely a Top5 player.
5 votes for Mchale
7 votes for Dirk
More votes=D
Dirk
[QUOTE=Harison]Hard choice, McHale has like the best footwork ever, only Hakeem and few others come close, so if your team needs [B]highly [/B]efficient post player who gets it done, Mchale is the choice. If you need PF who spreads the floor - Dirk is amazing.
McHale peaked at 26.1/9.9/2.6 at 60.3% FG! Thats an insane efficiency, even Shaq in his prime havent reached that.
Dirk peaked at 26.6/9.0/2.8 at 48% FG. In regular season McHale was considerably better, [B]how about playoffs?[/B]
McHale 25.4/8.0/2.4 at 60.3% FG
Dirk 27.0/11.7/2.9 at 46.8% FG.
Dirk is more clutch, but I doubt he is better rebounder though, McHale played with two other ~7ft who each grabbed ~10 rebounds, while Dirk is the main rebounder. IMO as primary rebounder Mchale would grab as much if not more.
For primary option I [I]might [/I]pick Dirk, he elevates his game in the Playoffs, and I value clutchness a lot. His prime lasted longer. But its hard to build around soft jumpshooter, and I dont need to go far to prove my point - with a lot of regular season success Dirk's teams fall flat in the Playoffs, always.
McHale is better as a second option, but then again we dont know how he would have done as a 1st option, super stacked teams makes it harder to evaluate such solid role player. But make no mistake - Dirk wouldnt be 1st option on Bird's Celtics as well.
[B]Bottom line: I would probably choose McHale[/B], as 1st option IMO his points and rebounds would go up, efficiency would go slightly down. Team up him with someone like Ray, Pierce or Melo, and you are set for the Playoffs too. McHale efficiency is mind boggling, he had range too. Against current weak frontcourts he would have a field day, probably 28/12 with 55%, definitely a Top5 player.[/QUOTE]
:applause: Well said
Plus intangible, I go with McHale too.
McHale, I want my bigs banging in the low-post and playing defense, something Dirk doesn't do very often. McHale is quite possibly the greatest defensive Power Forward ever.....Dirk? Not even close....not even close to being close.
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Well its hard, these guys are two totally different players...one guy was a banger post player, the other is a finesse big SF....I'll take Mchale
[QUOTE=Harison]Hard choice, McHale has like the best footwork ever, only Hakeem and few others come close, so if your team needs [B]highly [/B]efficient post player who gets it done, Mchale is the choice. If you need PF who spreads the floor - Dirk is amazing.
McHale peaked at 26.1/9.9/2.6 at 60.3% FG! Thats an insane efficiency, even Shaq in his prime havent reached that.
Dirk peaked at 26.6/9.0/2.8 at 48% FG. In regular season McHale was considerably better, [B]how about playoffs?[/B]
McHale 25.4/8.0/2.4 at 60.3% FG
Dirk 27.0/11.7/2.9 at 46.8% FG.
Dirk is more clutch, but I doubt he is better rebounder though, McHale played with two other ~7ft who each grabbed ~10 rebounds, while Dirk is the main rebounder. IMO as primary rebounder Mchale would grab as much if not more.
For primary option I [I]might [/I]pick Dirk, he elevates his game in the Playoffs, and I value clutchness a lot. His prime lasted longer. But its hard to build around soft jumpshooter, and I dont need to go far to prove my point - with a lot of regular season success Dirk's teams fall flat in the Playoffs, always.
McHale is better as a second option, but then again we dont know how he would have done as a 1st option, super stacked teams makes it harder to evaluate such solid role player. But make no mistake - Dirk wouldnt be 1st option on Bird's Celtics as well.
[B]Bottom line: I would probably choose McHale[/B], as 1st option IMO his points and rebounds would go up, efficiency would go slightly down. Team up him with someone like Ray, Pierce or Melo, and you are set for the Playoffs too. McHale efficiency is mind boggling, he had range too. Against current weak frontcourts he would have a field day, probably 28/12 with 55%, definitely a Top5 player.[/QUOTE]
Damn, you said everything I wanted to. Put me down for McHale, as well.
8 Votes for Mchale
8 Votes for Dirk
McHale
Id rather have the tough, defensive-minded banger/lunchpail guy.
I do agree that Dirk would be a better first-option scorer, but I'd want McHale.
If I was to build a team around I'd pick Dirk. If I needed a 2nd option-McHale. Overall I think Dirk is a better player.
9 Votes for Mchale
9 Votes for Dirk
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Would need to see Dirk having a guy like Yao Ming inside next to him, something Robert Parish gave McHale. McHale got a lot of room to work inside due to playing with Larry Bird & Robert Parish. It was hard to key on him. Alot harder than when you are playing next to Josh Howard/Caron Butler and Erick Dampier/Brendan Haywood/Shawn Bradley.
With that said, both are historically underrated players and, IMHO, the 4th and 5th best PFs of all time.
[QUOTE=miles berg]Would need to see Dirk having a guy like Yao Ming inside next to him, something Robert Parish gave McHale. McHale got a lot of room to work inside due to playing with Larry Bird & Robert Parish. It was hard to key on him. Alot harder than when you are playing next to Josh Howard/Caron Butler and Erick Dampier/Brendan Haywood/Shawn Bradley.
With that said, both are historically underrated players and, IMHO, the 4th and 5th best PFs of all time.[/QUOTE]
1.Duncan
2. Barkley/Malone/Garnett
3. Malone/Barkley/Garnett
4.Garnett/Malone/Barkley
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1. Duncan
2. Barkley
3. Malone
4. Dirk/McHale
5. McHale/Dirk
[QUOTE=miles berg]1. Duncan
2. Barkley
3. Malone
4. Dirk/McHale
5. McHale/Dirk[/QUOTE]'
O i see.
So this is one of those list where we pretend KG didn't excist
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Dirk's a better player overall but takes too many difficult shots and the rest of my team will just stand around and twiddle their thumbs while Dirk sets up free throw line extended and dribbles the ball into the ground to get off a one footed fadeaway.
Getting the ball into the post with McHale would make the offense flow easier, could create open shots due to double teams, or easy scores.
Plus I have no questions about Kevin's toughness/aggressiveness.
This is why I choose Kevin.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, let's ignore that McHale was one of the biggest black holes in NBA history. Not too bad a thing when he's hitting 60% from the floor, but he does not make your offense flow easier by any means. Dirk is clearly a better distributor and 1st option.
McHale has never had to prove anything in his career as the 2nd or 3rd option. He's a Pau Gasol type of player. Dirk on the other hand has been the sole leader of his team for close to a decade and has had massive team and individual success. Dirk is clearly better
[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]'
O i see.
So this is one of those list where we pretend KG didn't excist[/QUOTE]
No, he exists, I just dont think he was as good as those top 5.
[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]Yeah, let's ignore that McHale was one of the biggest black holes in NBA history. Not too bad a thing when he's hitting 60% from the floor, but he does not make your offense flow easier by any means. Dirk is clearly a better distributor and 1st option.
McHale has never had to prove anything in his career as the 2nd or 3rd option. He's a Pau Gasol type of player. Dirk on the other hand has been the sole leader of his team for close to a decade and has had massive team and individual success. Dirk is clearly better[/QUOTE]
Riiight so despite being the most efficient player on his team he should give the ball up to someone less efficient? I understand that if he's doubled or whatever he needs to pass it up but I'm sure he did (haven't seen THAT much of him seeing as I'm 18).
Great team success, Dirk? Not too sure there...
[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]Riiight so despite being the most efficient player on his team he should give the ball up to someone less efficient? I understand that if he's doubled or whatever he needs to pass it up but I'm sure he did (haven't seen THAT much of him seeing as I'm 18).
Great team success, Dirk? Not too sure there...[/QUOTE]
I didn't say that. But to say he makes you offense flow better? This is flat out wrong. McHale wasn't the Duncan/Shaq type where you could dump it inside and they'd kick it out to the open man. McHale couldn't and didn't run the offense. Dirk does.
And no, he didn't always pass the ball when he needed to. He wasn't nicknamed "The Black Hole" by Danny Ainge for no reason.