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Wow I didn't see this one coming. And to think that I was annoyed the Bucks brand new secondary logo features the old ball. I'm glad they ignored my request to change that.
do you think it will take players a short time to readjust back to the NBA leather ball? especially the rookies?
it was dumb to do it in the first place
Good news.
I didn't know about the ball cutting hands. Guess the complaining was justified.
<---Apologizes to every player except for Paul Pierce, who probably boosted the ball up because Spaulding is paying him.
WOW...very surprising
Say goodbye to your stats kevin martin
"a stunning move" is an understatement. i'm sure a lot of players are happy, but also, after playing 3 months (including the preseason) with the ball, they're gonna have to get used to regular bounces as opposed to those weird bounces that ball takes off the rim.
good, my head hurts every time it takes one of those sticky bounces and falls in.
I think the question is now:
Will the ball be leather but have the same design with the black lines or will it be the original?
[QUOTE=305Baller]I think the question is now:
Will the ball be leather but have the same design with the black lines or will it be the original?[/QUOTE]
hopefully the original
It's ok, he operates in PST, so he's 3 hours slower than the real America.
good. but stern is proving to be a lil scared b!tch after that suit the players' union raised. he pulled the "if the players dont like it" card to cover up:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]I didn't know about the ball cutting hands. Guess the complaining was justified.
<---Apologizes to every player except for Paul Pierce, who probably boosted the ball up because Spaulding is paying him.[/QUOTE]
I think the cuts were from players that handle the ball a lot, a la Steve Nash and Jason Kidd. Also, a lot of the assistant coaches were complaining about that because they pass the ball so much to players in practice. There was a lot of complaining about dryness, and cracking on their fingertips. Some even said that they have to put bandaids on their fingers before pratice to avoid that from happening. Steve Nash describes it as feeling like papercuts, and I noticed that he's had a couple of his fingers bandaged the last couple weeks.
[QUOTE=wang4three]It's ok, he operates in PST, so he's 3 hours slower than the real America.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
i dont understand why they would switch mid season. Players worked all off season with this ball, now they have to adjust mid season.
I think it should have been done for next year.
Will Kwame be able to catch the old ball? :cry:
[quote=Younggrease]i dont understand why they would switch mid season. Players worked all off season with this ball, now they have to adjust mid season.
I think it should have been done for next year.[/quote]
If you all remember, the players union went on the attack... Stern backed down.. which was the right thing to do and also means the players union's argument had merits.
:pimp:
[QUOTE=Younggrease]i dont understand why they would switch mid season. Players worked all off season with this ball, now they have to adjust mid season.
I think it should have been done for next year.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it will be a problem, just like the new ball wasn't really a that big of a problem. I am surprised that they aren't going to wait, but they are NBA players, they should be fine.
I finally got my hands on one of those new balls last week. I hated it immediately. good move for a change.
Bunch of overpaid crybabies.
[QUOTE=konex]Will Kwame be able to catch the old ball? :cry:[/QUOTE]
prob not.. the lakers are gonna go back to before. Luke wont be able to shoot and Kwame wont be able to catch the ball. Its a sad day in Lakerland
Be interesting to see what happens to turnovers across the league.
Stephen A Smith made a good point. Stern gives the players the ball. He now hs fans/players talkin about that and overlookin the fact he doesnt CARE about giving in to the ball issue. What he wont give in is the refs slapping players quickly for verbal harrassment during a game. THAT is what he cares about and he will fight tooth and nail to keep that rule in effect and enforced.
So while everyone screaming YIPPEE for the new ball, that is the least of the problems. Stern threw u a bone and you're happy but you ignore the crappy yard you play in.
Stern wins again.
They pulled it quicker than New Coke.
New Coke > Micro Fiber Ball
No more crazy shooters bounces.
I'm more excited because the nets will swoosh like they are supposed to now.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Stephen A Smith made a good point. Stern gives the players the ball. He now hs fans/players talkin about that and overlookin the fact he doesnt CARE about giving in to the ball issue. What he wont give in is the refs slapping players quickly for verbal harrassment during a game. THAT is what he cares about and he will fight tooth and nail to keep that rule in effect and enforced.
So while everyone screaming YIPPEE for the new ball, that is the least of the problems. Stern threw u a bone and you're happy but you ignore the crappy yard you play in.
Stern wins again.[/QUOTE]
That is the truth.
"?So while everyone screaming YIPPEE for the new ball, that is the least of the problems. Stern threw u a bone and you're happy but you ignore the crappy yard you play in.
Stern wins again."
You WANT to see your players energy get pointlessely wasted in a no-win argument? ... let a coach work the refs...
[QUOTE=305Baller]"?So while everyone screaming YIPPEE for the new ball, that is the least of the problems. Stern threw u a bone and you're happy but you ignore the crappy yard you play in.
Stern wins again."
You WANT to see your players energy get pointlessely wasted in a no-win argument? ... let a coach work the refs...[/QUOTE]
Agreed....the quick T's are pretty much a thing of the past now anyway. Players don't complain as much, and when they do, they don't have a crybaby fit in the middle of court.
You can bet that the ONLY reason they are switching back is because of the cuts players are getting. In the end it's just a ball and any effect on gameplay itself is minimal at best. I wouldn't be surprised if Spalding addresses the cutting issue and the new ball(an improved version) is back as soon as next season.
[QUOTE=305Baller]"?So while everyone screaming YIPPEE for the new ball, that is the least of the problems. Stern threw u a bone and you're happy but you ignore the crappy yard you play in.
Stern wins again."
You WANT to see your players energy get pointlessely wasted in a no-win argument? ... let a coach work the refs...[/QUOTE]
:confusedshrug:
Players have been barking at officials since the game first started. How is energy being wasted? Nonsense. This isnt Catholic school where the refs are the nuns and if you talk you get smacke with the ruler. Come on...the rule is pathetic and POINTLESS. And coaches workin the refs only extends so far before they draw a tech. Stop it. Just stop.
[QUOTE=eliteballer]You can bet that the ONLY reason they are switching back is because of the cuts players are getting. In the end it's just a ball and any effect on gameplay itself is minimal at best. I wouldn't be surprised if Spalding addresses the cutting issue and the new ball(an improved version) is back as soon as next season.[/QUOTE]
That wouldn't surprise me either, but you can bet that when/if the new ball is ready, it will have gone through a lot more player testing than just a few old retired players. The faces of the league will have to unanimously back it up.
[QUOTE=GOBB]:confusedshrug:
Players have been barking at officials since the game first started. How is energy being wasted? Nonsense. This isnt Catholic school where the refs are the nuns and if you talk you get smacke with the ruler. Come on...the rule is pathetic and POINTLESS. And coaches workin the refs only extends so far before they draw a tech. Stop it. Just stop.[/QUOTE]
I don't have a problem with players and refs interacting. I have a problem with players arguing EVERY single damn call that there is. I think the big difference here is the way players plead their case. Throwing a fit like a two year old stomping your feet on the floor, and throwing your arms up in the air like you;ve never commmited a foul in your life is completely uneccassary. The quick t's were kind of like baptism by fire type deal to get the players to think about the way they talked and complained to the refs. Now, the quick t's aren't there as much anymore, and most players don't act like some kid stole their favorite toy.
Sweet, now Wade will actually start making his bank shots like he was last season.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Stephen A Smith made a good point. Stern gives the players the ball. He now hs fans/players talkin about that and overlookin the fact he doesnt CARE about giving in to the ball issue. What he wont give in is the refs slapping players quickly for verbal harrassment during a game. THAT is what he cares about and he will fight tooth and nail to keep that rule in effect and enforced.
So while everyone screaming YIPPEE for the new ball, that is the least of the problems. Stern threw u a bone and you're happy but you ignore the crappy yard you play in.
Stern wins again.[/QUOTE]
you cant win against a dictator with that much power. Anyone else would take some major heat for screwing up the ball issue like this or it even becoming an issue when it was never an issue before this season. Stern did it on his whim, just like all these other new rules. Almost anyone that ****ed up like that would get fired or some backlash but Stern doesnt really answer to anyone.
and Stern pretty much had to do it with the ball cutting some players fingers. They talked about it last night in the Suns game with Nash and how he had to bandage his fingers. one of the commentators said it looked pretty nasty.
its just stupid tho how they changed it in the first place because some owners wife whos into PETA reccomended they change it in passing to Stern. Dude is like Mousalini of the NBA :rollingeyes:
"?Players have been barking at officials since the game first started. How is energy being wasted? Nonsense. This isnt Catholic school where the refs are the nuns and if you talk you get smacke with the ruler. Come on...the rule is pathetic and POINTLESS. And coaches workin the refs only extends so far before they draw a tech. Stop it. Just stop."?
Its always annoyed me, and it wasnt until the 90s that players really started becoming very whiny and recently it was just getting dumb. Why defend this behavior? I dont get it.
Watch classic NBA and notice how the players were cooler in the 70s and 80s... they didnt complain like *****es.
first good decision by stern since like...forever.
[QUOTE=Rab]I don't have a problem with players and refs interacting. I have a problem with players arguing EVERY single damn call that there is. I think the big difference here is the way players plead their case. Throwing a fit like a two year old stomping your feet on the floor, and throwing your arms up in the air like you;ve never commmited a foul in your life is completely uneccassary. The quick t's were kind of like baptism by fire type deal to get the players to think about the way they talked and complained to the refs. Now, the quick t's aren't there as much anymore, and most players don't act like some kid stole their favorite toy.[/QUOTE]
well its not like they can because they'll get a quick T. Theres a difference between tightening up on the players crying and this no tolerance that Stern put in. He's basically conditioning them to play like robots right now and there isnt **** they can do about it.
Personally i think the new carry rule is the dumbest thing they put in. I can understand calling some **** AI would do, but alot of the carry calls this year are rediculouosly stupid and definitely not consistent. Its nuts how one player gets called for a carry for half a crossover while another player who does the same exact thing doesnt. Refs got way too much power this year and i blame it all on that dictator Stern :(
[QUOTE=305Baller]Its always annoyed me, and it wasnt until the 90s that players really started becoming very whiny and recently it was just getting dumb. Why defend this behavior? I dont get it.[/QUOTE]
I dont mind it...i agree with RAB tho when its constant complaining then that to me gets annoying. But giving them some feedback is cool. Often goes unnoticed to me. I do hate when a player cries at a ref and the team is at the other end trying to defend 4 on 5. So i wont say i'm completely for all barking. There are cases where I'm like "T his ass up!". But ehhh it annoys you and you like this rule. You're not alone, I'm sure others see it your way.
:cheers:
they should've never changed in the first place.
deep down, i still think it was all a marketing strategy in hopes that people would buy the new ball. the NBA store and several sports catalogs I got had the new ball listed where you could purchase it. I don't remember ever seeing the old leather ball for sale in catalogs. I'm sure they weren't selling very many of the old leather ball, so they thought they would come up with a new concept. only thing was, the stupid thing was still like 100 bucks. and then all these high profile players badmouthing it, sales probably went flatline.
also, it'll be interesting to see what excuses players come up with if their field goal percentage doesn't go up, or the turnovers don't decrease, as they said the new ball caused problems in both of these areas.