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Cool.This kid is going to be something special if he stays in school 2-3 more years. Heck if he stays for all four years, it is really going to help his game and UNC.
Between all the freshmans i think he's the most well prepared to become an NBA player, but glad to hear that he's going to stay .. UNC getting scary for next season.
He better he had a horrible freshman season
[QUOTE=JellyBean]Cool.This kid is going to be something special if he stays in school 2-3 more years. Heck if he stays for all four years, it is really going to help his game and UNC.[/QUOTE]
I don't think staying that long would help him that much. He definitely could use another year under his belt, but 2 or 3 more may be too much, unless he's just really loving college..which I can understand.
From what I've gathered (99.9% of my info comes from the Inside Carolina pay board) Barnes and his mother have both said a decision has not been made yet.
Now, last night word started to spread on Twitter that he would announce on Tuesday his intentions to return to UNC for his sophomore season. However, tonight it is being reported that Henson will announce by Saturday and Barnes will make his decision in the next 1-2 weeks.
It does seem, though, that Barnes is leaning towards coming back. I wasn't just "speculating" when I was claiming that all three of Barnes, Henson, and Zeller returning was a real possibility. Many "connected" people have felt if UNC failed to win a national title this year Barnes would return and, as a result, so would Henson and Zeller.
If all three do leave, though, I will not be surprised. However, if all three return, UNC is going to be SCARY good next year.
I'll wait til the deadline to declare. I dont buy anyones words right now. Too early.
[QUOTE=GOBB]I'll wait til the deadline to declare. I dont buy anyones words right now. Too early.[/QUOTE]
Same here.
What I find funny is there is a 15ish page thread on a Duke message board about this and on UNC's board the thread is only about 5 or 6 pages long. Duke fans are absolutely freaking out about Barnes possibly returning.
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]He better he had a horrible freshman season[/QUOTE]
que?
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]He better he had a horrible freshman season[/QUOTE]
Apparently you completely ignored the entire second half of the season. By tourney time he was one of the 5-10 best players in the country.
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]He better he had a horrible freshman season[/QUOTE]
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Why?
He's basically a guaranteed top 5 with strong potential to go top 3 in such a weak draft. Sure he may like school and all but it's dumb to risk that kind of guaranteed money unless he's from a filthy rich family.
I'm sure once he talks to some informed people he'll realize that the smart move is to declare.
[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]Why?
He's basically a guaranteed top 5 with strong potential to go top 3 in such a weak draft. Sure he may like school and all but it's dumb to risk that kind of guaranteed money unless he's from a filthy rich family.
I'm sure once he talks to some informed people he'll realize that the smart move is to declare.[/QUOTE]
lockout
[QUOTE=LilBTheBasedGod]lockout[/QUOTE]
And? When was the last time a lockout killed an entire year in a sport? He'd still have his guaranteed contract.
Top 5 guaranteed money is huge. Especially in a draft with no clear-cut #1 guy. If you can put on a good show in the pre-draft combine and workouts, #1 pick money is still up for grabs.
[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]And? When was the last time a lockout killed an entire year in a sport? He'd still have his guaranteed contract.
Top 5 guaranteed money is huge. Especially in a draft with no clear-cut #1 guy. If you can put on a good show in the pre-draft combine and workouts, #1 pick money is still up for grabs.[/QUOTE]
Well maybe hes not like LeBron James and he actually wants to become a better player instead of making money
15.7 pts 6 rbs on 42% from the field is mediocre, especially from an "nba ready" guy like him. those last few games he had showed us how much of a beast he could be
The two most NBA ready freshmens (Sullinger and Barnes) are staying another year ..
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]15.7 pts 6 rbs on 42% from the field is mediocre, especially from an "nba ready" guy like him. those last few games he had showed us how much of a beast he could be[/QUOTE]
You went from "he had a horrible freshman season" to "his stats are mediocre for an nba ready guy". There's a huge difference there. You should do more than look at stats too.
17.1 ppg over the last 28, 19.7 ppg over his last 18.
Insidehoops...where 15.7 ppg for a freshman is a horrible season.
[QUOTE=StateProperty]You went from "he had a horrible freshman season" to "his stats are mediocre for an nba ready guy". There's a huge difference there. You should do more than look at stats too.
17.1 ppg over the last 28, 19.7 ppg over his last 18.
Insidehoops...where 15.7 ppg for a freshman is a horrible season.[/QUOTE]
Dude should be begging UNC to let him keep his scholarship after that kind of season.
More smoke coming from the "Barnes, Henson, Zeller all three returning" fire.
This is borderline pre-2009 season (when Hansbrough, Lawson, Ellington, and Green came back) great for UNC fans.
The potential excitement for next season also increased when I realized I may have underestimated how much of a beast James McAdoo could be by mid-season.
Pretty much, imagine this year's team with everyone back but a year older; a full season of Marshall as the starting PG; McAdoo replacing Justin Knox (who was pretty awful the last month of the season); a healthy Reggie Bullock, and incoming freshman P.J. Hairston giving UNC two legitimate three point shooters to go along with Barnes and McDonald who can also shoot the three.
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]He better he had a horrible freshman season[/QUOTE]
:facepalm :facepalm
Well, Henson and Zeller made it official today that they will be returning next year. Barnes is still undecided but most people seem to believe he'll eventually announce he's coming back, possibly by Saturday.
I'm not sure if UNC can win a national championship without Barnes, but Zeller and Henson are probably more crucial to UNC's ceiling next season. Had they left, then that would've left the Heels with a post rotation of James McAdoo and then one undecided player. That undecided player will more than likely end up on the team and will either be Desmond Hubert or Matthew Cannon.
Cannon is a 6'10" 2*/3* who has some small major and mid-major offers but would be a preferred walk-on if he came to UNC. He's an in-state kid, so him coming to UNC as a walk-on isn't out of the question despite holding multiple D1 offers.
Desmond Hubert is the other option. A top 3* top 150 player who is down to UNC and Maryland. He's supposed to make his announcement after his last visit, which just so happens to be at UNC. That, on top of the several other recent visits he's made to North Carolina games has a lot of UNC "insiders" saying he'll be a Tar Heel next year. He's also said he has no problem redshirting, and with Zeller and Henson returning, and the McAdoo coming in, that may be a real possibility. Hubert's "only" a 3* but he has a shit ton of offers from some big time programs.
[url]http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Desmond-Hubert-87011[/url]
I know about 99.9% of the people that read this don't give a damn about any of this, but as a UNC fan it's hard to explain how excited I am about the potential of next season.
This is why the Clippers are banking on next years pick and traded this one away. That's 2 top 5 prospects supposedly staying till 2012 now.
Bad decision from a business perspective. He'll go first round. If you'll go first round, you declare. Just my opinion.
I'll wait for the deadline.
[QUOTE=bdreason]Bad decision from a business perspective. He'll go first round. If you'll go first round, you declare. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
He'll go first rd no matter what year he comes out.
[QUOTE=bdreason]Bad decision from a business perspective. He'll go first round. If you'll go first round, you declare. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GOBB]I'll wait for the deadline.
He'll go first rd no matter what year he comes out.[/QUOTE]
I wish people would quit assuming Barnes has actually said he was coming back. I'd link you to an article from UNC's board, but it's a pay only message, and you'd only get to read like two lines. The article, though, was put up today, and the headline specifically said, [B]"Henson and Zeller to return; Barnes still undecided."[/B]
While the consensus seems to be Barnes is coming back, all that is coming from is one guy from Iowa on Twitter, and UNC "insiders" posting on a message board. Barnes is still (technically) undecided.
Looks like we can have some really loaded teams next year. UK, UNC, and OSU are going to be nice. If Texas brings their guys back they will be pretty damn good too. Duke loses some ballers, but that class is legit. Louisville, Syracuse, and Pitt should be stacked as well. We might have a damn good year next year talent wise.
Hes still undecided.. I have a feeling he is going to declare though.
Kemba Walker is better :rockon:
[QUOTE=UConnCeltics]Duke loses some ballers, but that class is legit.
I don't care how "legit" that class is. They are losing their three best players. Two of those were seniors (one a Final Four MOP, the other a 1st team AA) and the third is a top 3 pick int he upcoming NBA draft. That's quite a bit of talent.
I'm being dead serious when I wouldn't rank Duke any higher in the preseason poll than 15-20.
:oldlol: 15-20, you being a UNC fan I can understand why that was said. Being as ridiculous as it is.
[QUOTE=GOBB]:oldlol: 15-20, you being a UNC fan I can understand why that was said. Being as ridiculous as it is.[/QUOTE]
It's not ridiculous, unless this incoming recruiting class is just absolutely ridiculously sick. They should not be a top 10 preseason team.
They lost Irving, Nolan Smith, and Kyle Singler. They don't have another Kyrie Irving to run the point unless Quinn Cook is some major sleeper. Austin Rivers can probably somewhat replicate Nolan Smith's production, but I don't think Rivers will be as efficient of a scorer/distributor as a true freshman as Nolan was as a senior. Kyle Singler kind of sucked the last half of the season but they don't have anyone on their roster right now that's close to being what he was.
Duke lost way too much talent to a preseason top 10 team. Just like myself and a lot of other UNC fans were saying we had zero business being ranked preseason top 10 the last two years. You don't rank a team that high that loses that much talent based on what you perceive as a really good recruiting class.
It's not me saying that about Duke because I'm a UNC fan. I would think that even if I wasn't a UNC fan. If Ohio State was losing Sullinger along with some of their seniors, then I would be saying the same thing about them if people were lauding them as a top 10 team based off their recruiting class and some solid but unproven returning talent.
to be fair, if we lost sullinger, we don't have nearly the recruiting class that duke has to replace their players, to be considered for top ten. considering last time i checked we had the 14th ranked class, and no superstar recruits, just some very solid 4 stars.
[QUOTE=Black Joker]to be fair, if we lost sullinger, we don't have nearly the recruiting class that duke has to replace their players, to be considered for top ten. considering last time i checked we had the 14th ranked class, and no superstar recruits, just some very solid 4 stars.[/QUOTE]
I was just going off of ESPN's class rankings since Scout and Rivals don't have 2011 team rankings yet. ESPN has Ohio State with the 4th best class and Duke is 3rd.
But, if Ohio State had lost Sullinger along with Diebler, Lighty, and Lauderdale, then I'd still think they had no business being a preseason top 10 team.
[QUOTE]Forwards Tyler Zeller and John Henson have already announced their return for the 2011-12 season. Now freshman forward Harrison Barnes will announce his return as well. Barnes is reportedly enrolling into summer classes at the University. Multiple sources say the official announcement will probably come no later than Thursday.[/QUOTE]
looks like its true. and barring injury we're cutting down the nets next year :rockon:
[url]http://isportsweb.com/2011/04/11/barnes-returning/[/url]
Sorry, but I'm going to need a more reliable source than isportsweb before I truly believe it. That site is basing that off rumors of Barnes enrolling in summer classes. No credible sites, though, have anything about Barnes officially saying he's coming back.
However, that isportsweb article does provide even more smoke from the "Barnes to return" fire.
[QUOTE=KG215]Sorry, but I'm going to need a more reliable source than isportsweb before I truly believe it. That site is basing that off rumors of Barnes enrolling in summer classes. No credible sites, though, have anything about Barnes officially saying he's coming back.
However, that isportsweb article does provide even more smoke from the "Barnes to return" fire.[/QUOTE]
If I was him I'd turn pro to be honest, selfishly I want him to return to school but right now if he declared he'd be a top 5 lottery pick surely I believe, and I doubt he can or will raise his stock if he returns for another season. If he returns for another season he can only hurt himself in many ways IMO.
[QUOTE=KG215]It's not ridiculous, unless this incoming recruiting class is just absolutely ridiculously sick. They should not be a top 10 preseason team.
They lost Irving, Nolan Smith, and Kyle Singler. They don't have another Kyrie Irving to run the point unless Quinn Cook is some major sleeper. Austin Rivers can probably somewhat replicate Nolan Smith's production, but I don't think Rivers will be as efficient of a scorer/distributor as a true freshman as Nolan was as a senior. Kyle Singler kind of sucked the last half of the season but they don't have anyone on their roster right now that's close to being what he was.
Duke lost way too much talent to a preseason top 10 team. Just like myself and a lot of other UNC fans were saying we had zero business being ranked preseason top 10 the last two years. You don't rank a team that high that loses that much talent based on what you perceive as a really good recruiting class.
It's not me saying that about Duke because I'm a UNC fan. I would think that even if I wasn't a UNC fan. If Ohio State was losing Sullinger along with some of their seniors, then I would be saying the same thing about them if people were lauding them as a top 10 team based off their recruiting class and some solid but unproven returning talent.[/QUOTE]
You add another Plumlee up front, the best of the bunch arguably too, and the 2 senior Plumlees gain a year of experience. Curry,Rivers and Cook is still a pretty damn good backcourt too. If harrison Barnes could be a preseason all american, Duke can be a preseason top 10 based on freshmen. Rivers is sickly good.
[QUOTE=Nastradamus]You add another Plumlee up front, the best of the bunch arguably too, and the 2 senior Plumlees gain a year of experience. Curry,Rivers and Cook is still a pretty damn good backcourt too. If harrison Barnes could be a preseason all american, Duke can be a preseason top 10 based on freshmen. Rivers is sickly good.[/QUOTE]
[B]"You add another Plumlee up front, the best of the bunch arguably too...[/B]"
That's pure speculation. Rankings should not be based on players who have never played a minute of college basketball. And it's not like the other two Plumlee brothers have done anything to instill much fear into opposing front courts. They are very good athletes with terrible back to the basket games.
Harrison Barnes had no business being a preseason All-American and UNC had no business being a preseason top 10 team the last two years. After the 2009 season they lost four starters to the NBA Draft and, for some stupid reason, still garnered a top 10 ranking the following preseason. Then, after making the NIT, they get another preseason top 10 ranking based off their recruiting class.
Rivers is sickly good, but he's a black-hole. More than likely Cook isn't going to be as good as Irving. I also don't think Rivers is going to be as good as a true freshman as Nolan Smith was this past season as a senior.
In other words, Duke isn't upgrading at any position, lost two seniors (one a Final Four MOP, the other a 1st team AA), and lost freshman who is the potential #1 overall pick in the draft. However, by the end of this season, Duke was a borderline top 10 team. So, how exactly do they deserve a preseason top 10 ranking for '11-'12 if they don't upgrade at any position, lose as much talent as they lost, and all you can do is speculate on an incoming recruiting class?
Yea, I doubt it. Though it would be cool if Jones, Sully, and Barnes all stay.