Penny Hardaway talks handchecking & Kobe Bryant vs Michael Jordan

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW4_LXYUNtY&feature=feedf[/url]

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funny thing is this was the guy who nike tried to make the next jordan in late 90s

[QUOTE=Round Mound][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW4_LXYUNtY&feature=feedf[/url]

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I only disagree with him feeling his ppg totals would shoot up 6-8 points. Maybe 4-5. But he was spot on with everything else

Well penny lying. You know why because Gilbert arenas is superior. I mean look at his statsin 06 he clearly a superior player. :facepalm I really don't show people who actually play any kind of basketball that having someone ride u to the basket doesn't affect you. You can't touch people know and people chuck more 3s. How could a 6'4 Wade dominate but Mj can't with these tick tac fouls.

[QUOTE=juju151111]Well penny lying. You know why because Gilbert arenas is superior. I mean look at his statsin 06 he clearly a superior player. :facepalm I really don't show people who actually play any kind of basketball that having someone ride u to the basket doesn't affect you. You can't touch people know and people chuck more 3s. How could a 6'4 Wade dominate but Mj can't with these tick tac fouls.[/QUOTE]
It definitely makes it harder, and for a much better game, if you're playing against someone that hand checks. It forces me to play harder and to become more creative as to how I'm going to score. So I always say, it there was hand checking today, players like Kobe would technically be better than their versions today, even if they score a couple of points less.

[QUOTE=jstern]It definitely makes it harder, and for a much better game, if you're playing against someone that hand checks. It forces me to play harder and to become more creative as to how I'm going to score. So I always say, it there was hand checking today, players like Kobe would technically be better than their versions today, even if they score a couple of points less.[/QUOTE]
But the handchecking era didn't end when kobe was playing. Kobe played in an era that allowed for zone defense(and therefore harder doubles~more effective team defense to contain any given player) AND they could still impede a player's progress to the rim with handchecking. This era was from the late 90s to 04.. the era kobe made his name in and was a key cog for three championship teams. Kobe has already proven he could dominate even with handcheking in place.. check his 30/7/6 '01 playoff statline.

Penny is officially new magnet for AlphaDog24,Ne1,Griffmoney or other homers attackings.

I love how comments need to be approved on this vid...and all you see is biased Chicago homerizms. lol

[QUOTE=crisoner]I love how comments need to be approved on this vid...and all you see is biased Chicago homerizms. lol[/QUOTE]

Well, GOAT played for us... it's not our fault. :oldlol:

I do think Jordan of course is was a better overall player then Kobe...but the whole hand checking argument kind of takes itself out. Jordan also benefited from hand checking when he was on defense. But with or without that rule Jordan and Kobe would still dominant in any era.

[QUOTE=rodman91]Well, GOAT played for us... it's not our fault. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Wilt played for the Sixers, Warriors and Lakers.

[QUOTE=crisoner]Wilt played for the Sixers, Warriors and Lakers.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=rodman91]Well, GOAT played for us... it's not our fault. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


you a Laker fan ??..why you got worm in your avy???



avy bet?....

[QUOTE=crisoner]I love how comments need to be approved on this vid...and all you see is biased Chicago homerizms. lol[/QUOTE]

It's BruceBlitz, what do you expect? :oldlol:

He only approves comments that he agrees with, and blocks anyone who doesn't agree with anything his view points.

[QUOTE=rodman91]Well, GOAT played for us... it's not our fault. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Kareem played for the Bucks and Lakers.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]you a Laker fan ??..why you got worm in your avy???



avy bet?....[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=crisoner]Kareem played for the Bucks and Lakers.[/QUOTE]
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[B][SIZE="7"]"Kobe's in his era is head's above the rest"
[/SIZE][/B] -Pretty Penny 2011


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"Even if Kobe played in the[/SIZE][/B] "handchecking era" [B][SIZE="7"]he could still be the same Kobe Bryant"[/SIZE][/B] - Pretty Penny 2011

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[SIZE="6"]"Michael Jordan is still better..because Kobe wanted to be like him"[/SIZE][/B] - Pretty Penny 2011

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[B][SIZE="6"]"If I played in todays era I would average 8 more points"[/SIZE][/B] - Pretty Penny 2011
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this is already trolling there...

if Penny hadn't have those 4 knee surgeries, there would be another guard that kobe stans would hate on for sure.

[QUOTE=rodman91]Well, GOAT played for us... it's not our fault. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Bill Russel played for the Celtics

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lol

Good one...

bruce blitz at it again, I sworn this troll would of committed suicide when kobe got his 4th

"I probably would average 6-8 more points"

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at his peak Penny had no flaws to his game

Whoever says hand-checking in the 2000s is dead obviously aren't watching the games. Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Raja Bell, Shane B, Brewer, etc.,.....you're gonna tell me that it's pure footspeed that allows them to defend? Please, handchecking is alive and well.

Now body checks and excessive contact is a different story, that was the trademark of 90s ball....doesn't mean that defenses were better. The caliber of D played by Larry Brown's Pistons and Doc's Celts is on par or greater than the Knicks, Pistons, and Heat defenses of the 90s.

[QUOTE=Fatal9]"I probably would average 6-8 more points"

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So you don't think Penny could average between 28 and 30 ppg in this league as a 1st option ?

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[QUOTE=Fatal9]"I probably would average 6-8 more points"

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For his particular game and style he meant, which he described, not necessarily for every guard.

Anyway, he did play until 2008, so he's part of both eras. Too bad he had all those injuries. He used to be such a big name, and then, like dead.

hahahahaha.... Bruce "DRAMA QUEEN" Blitz.

Penny played in the mid-late 90's, NOT the 80's or early 90's.

You guys trying to tell me Chris Mullin can average 26-27 PPG on 50-54% shooting and Kobe can't? LOL.

[QUOTE=eliteballer]Penny played in the mid-late 90's, NOT the 80's or early 90's.

You guys trying to tell me Chris Mullin can average 26-27 PPG on 50-54% shooting and Kobe can't? LOL.[/QUOTE]

Mullin was a great player. Penny entered the league in 93, and he clearly said for his style of game he would averaged that much more, which is different from Mullin's game. Then he went into detail why he feels that he in particular, (not everyone else) that he would average that much more.

Seriously, most people have comprehension problem, and that's a big problem the fact that most of humanity is like that. One person says one thing, the other understands another, and that creates miscommunication, which creates misunderstandings, and arguments, and fights, wars, etc.

Let me guess, you're putting down Mullin because he's white.

Imagine people like you in 10 years dismissing this era because of Gasol, Manu, Nash.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]you a Laker fan ??..why you got worm in your avy???



avy bet?....[/QUOTE]

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Peny's rookie season was 93-[B]94[/B], and he didnt Prime until the following 95 season. Nice try though, attempting to skew it so it seemed he played in the early 90's.

Also :lol @ you trying to turn the Mullin point into a
"white" issue. Talk about grasping at thin air. It's so pathetic it's funny.

[QUOTE=jstern]It definitely makes it harder, and for a much better game, if you're playing against someone that hand checks. It forces me to play harder and to become more creative as to how I'm going to score. So I always say, it there was hand checking today, players like Kobe would technically be better than their versions today, even if they score a couple of points less.[/QUOTE]

Also the level of athleticism, team defense and defensive intensity are unparalled in today's game

[QUOTE=eliteballer]Penny played in the mid-late 90's, NOT the 80's or early 90's.

You guys trying to tell me Chris Mullin can average 26-27 PPG on 50-54% shooting and Kobe can't? LOL.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, actually I am. Mullin was a much better shooter and, more importantly, much smarter player than Kobe. Kobe is the type of player who would average 47-50% shooting in that era regardless of whether he was averaging 25 ppg or 30 ppg, just like how he shoots 44-46% in this era regardless of volume. He's just a dumb player, is all.

[QUOTE=eliteballer]Peny's rookie season was 93-[B]94[/B], and he didnt Prime until the following 95 season. Nice try though, attempting to skew it so it seemed he played in the early 90's.

Also :lol @ you trying to turn the Mullin point into a
"white" issue. Talk about grasping at thin air. It's so pathetic it's funny.[/QUOTE]

I clearly stated that he came into the league in 93, compared to you who clearly knew he came in in 93, yet to make sound as if he came in much later you wrote that he came in the mid to late 90s. Not only that, but then you respond by saying he came into the league 93-94, with the 94 bolded, almost trying to make the 93 invisible.

And yes, I do believe it's a white issue you have with Mullin. I guarantee you that if he was a black player, you would have not brought him up in a dismissive tone to bring down that era.

And yes, I find it funny that in 10 years or so there are going to be teenagers using Nash, Gasol, and Manu to bring down this era, even though they are ignorant of their games.

Edit: Again, reading comprehension so low. I mean, I write that Penny came into the league in 93, and you respond by saying that I'm trying to make it seem as if he came in earlier than that.

Penny played maybe 2 MONTHS of his entire career in the 93, it is IRRELEVANT because Penny mentioned his PRIME which occured in 95 on.

You have NO basis for saying Mullin was brought up because he was white, he was brought up because he put up great numbers when he was a far far, FAR inferior player to Kobe.

Oh let me guess, you're trying to turn it into a race issue because you have NO viable counterargument based on the BASKETBALL facts.

Keep talking out of your a$$ though, but what should I expect from someone who has a Bird avatar based on youtube clips.

[QUOTE=dynasty1978]Whoever says hand-checking in the 2000s is dead obviously aren't watching the games. Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Raja Bell, Shane B, Brewer, etc.,.....you're gonna tell me that it's pure footspeed that allows them to defend? Please, handchecking is alive and well.

Now body checks and excessive contact is a different story, that was the trademark of 90s ball....doesn't mean that defenses were better. The caliber of D played by Larry Brown's Pistons and Doc's Celts is on par or greater than the Knicks, Pistons, and Heat defenses of the 90s.[/QUOTE]
Bowen played d with his arms on his side. What that guy did in this era is ****ing amazing. Prime Bowen would have caused madness in the past. Imagine Bowen guarding Kobe with the rules of old. No way Kobe shoots over 35% against him.

Mullin just made the HOF, so his name is heard and read more now than since he retired.

I bet Rodman's name comes up a lot more this week than anytime since he retired also.

[QUOTE=eliteballer]Penny played in the mid-late 90's, NOT the 80's or early 90's.

You guys trying to tell me Chris Mullin can average 26-27 PPG on 50-54% shooting and Kobe can't? LOL.[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling all of these Kobestans are one ****ing dude with a hundred accounts. ****!
No need to disrespect one of the greatest shooters of all time to bring up Kobe. Mullin has been sick since HS. Sick, sick shot.

[QUOTE=eliteballer]Penny played maybe 2 MONTHS of his entire career in the 93, it is IRRELEVANT because Penny mentioned his PRIME which occured in 95 on.

You have NO basis for saying Mullin was brought up because he was white, he was brought up because he put up great numbers when he was a far far, FAR inferior player to Kobe.

Oh let me guess, you're trying to turn it into a race issue because you have NO viable counterargument based on the BASKETBALL facts.

Keep talking out of your a$$ though, but what should I expect from someone who has a Bird avatar based on youtube clips.[/QUOTE]

Hahah, you lose. Trying so hard not to count his early years, from making it seem as if he came into the league in the mid to late 90s, and then changing it saying that you're talking about his prime. Why not mention prime from the beginning then? Why bold the 94? And yes, the race issue is an issue that Kobe trolls constantly use, and I'm willing to bet that's why you brought him up in such a dismissive tone, as if he was some mediocre player. Don't know what you meant about youtube clips.

Have to go, but will be back at 8.