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Regular season
Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
1996
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Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
1996
Such a tough call. I give Iverson bonus points for dominating at his size of 6'0 165 pounds slashing to the rim on prime Shaq, Mutombo, Ben Wallace, Duncan and guys like that. I'd say Wade is the better all around player but Iverson the much better scorer. Wade has a significant advantage over Iverson on defense being 6'4 220.
If I have to take one in their prime it purely depends on what my team needs. If I have a poor or average surrounding cast easily Iverson. If I need a guy who will share with another star player it's Wade.
Wade by a country mile. Wade is a far better all around player than Iverson and much more efficient. I don't really buy the argument that Iverson was a much better scorer than Wade. I think that Wade is a much more willing passer than Iverson and could have averaged similar points if he increased his shots. Wade is on a different level.
If you're talking about scoring, then AI. However, D-Wade is the closes we've seen to MJ in terms of slashing/defense.
Iverson is a great scorer, better scorer than Wade.
If Iverson wasn't such a douche bag and wanted to play a scoring role on my team I'd pick him. But since Wade is very very good and isn't such a douche, then I choose him.
[QUOTE=AngelEyes]Wade by a country mile. Wade is a far better all around player than Iverson and much more efficient. I don't really buy the argument that Iverson was a much better scorer than Wade. I think that Wade is a much more willing passer than Iverson and could have averaged similar points if he increased his shots. Wade is on a different level.[/QUOTE]
If you don't understand how or why Iverson was a better scorer than Wade than you are definitely a new basketball fan. Iverson is easily one of the best scorers of all time and that was as a 6'0 165 pound slashing guard with a streaky shot. Iverson is leaps ahead of Wade when it comes to scoring. Wade is more efficient but Iverson was by far the more explosive, consistent and dependable scorer. These 10 point games Wade has occasionally almost never happened with Iverson in his prime.
Wade is a better defender... and rebounder and that has a lot to do with his size and strength. Iverson was a better off the ball defender and better at playing passing lanes. Both equal passers/playmakers but Iverson never played next to an elite talent like just out of prime Shaq or Lebron.
Wade's the better player, but iverson was such an amazing scorer for his size. He used to be one of my favorite players.
Best all around season from both of them...
Iverson:
30.7 ppg, 4 rpg, 8 apg, 2.5 spg. All this while being 6'0 165 and playing in a league with MUCH better competition.
Wade:
30 ppg, 5 rpg, 7.5 apg, 2 spg, 1.5 bpg.
Wade has a slight edge.. but in a weaker league with all the great shotblockers outside of Dwight gone... and with his size advantage I'd say these two players are a wash. As to who I take as I said has to do with the make up of the team.
Iverson was a "volume" scorer.. who was inefficient and the hijacker of his team type.
Wade is a "pure" scorer.. There is a big difference between pure scorers and volume scorers. The pure ones work better within the team concept, involving everyone.
Iverson just used finesse. Meanwhile, Wade has that finesse, but also Wade has a tremendous amount of power. He can go through you, around you, or over you.. Just look how many times he plows and goes right through 7-footers at the rim.
So Wade can beat you in more ways. Which is why he's in the Top 5 Alltime for most drawn fouls ever on a per game basis. Right there with wilt chamberlain and Shaq in the Top 5 alltime. Because Wade is so hard to stop you have to foul him.
Moreover, Wade is just much better all around as a player. He's the closest to Michael Jordan we have ever seen from the guard positions.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]If you don't understand how or why Iverson was a better scorer than Wade than you are definitely a new basketball fan. Iverson is easily one of the best scorers of all time and that was as a 6'0 165 pound slashing guard with a streaky shot. Iverson is leaps ahead of Wade when it comes to scoring. Wade is more efficient but Iverson was by far the more explosive, consistent and dependable scorer. These 10 point games Wade has occasionally almost never happened with Iverson in his prime.
Wade is a better defender... and rebounder and that has a lot to do with his size and strength. Iverson was a better off the ball defender and better at playing passing lanes. Both equal passers/playmakers but Iverson never played next to an elite talent like just out of prime Shaq or Lebron.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to penalize Wade for being larger and stronger than Iverson. To do so would be ridiculous. I understand perfectly Iverson's greatness as a scorer, but as great as he was I think Wade is on the same kind of level, despite the difference in scoring totals. Wade is a much more willing passer than Iverson ever was and this reflects his scoring totals. To put up over 30 points per game in a season and shoot 49% is astonishing and something I don't think Iverson could have ever done. Wade's size allows him to do more than Iverson could ever do. Iverson was never equal to Wade as a passer/playmaker.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Best all around season from both of them...
Iverson:
30.7 ppg, 4 rpg, 8 apg, 2.5 spg. All this while being 6'0 165 and playing in a league with MUCH better competition.
Wade:
30 ppg, 5 rpg, 7.5 apg, 2 spg, 1.5 bpg.
Wade has a slight edge.. but in a weaker league with all the great shotblockers outside of Dwight gone... and with his size advantage I'd say these two players are a wash. As to who I take as I said has to do with the make up of the team.[/QUOTE]
You can't give Iverson more credit because he is smaller. That's just ridiculous.
AI is my second favorite player ever, but this is easily Wade. There really isn't much of a debate.
[QUOTE=AngelEyes]You can't give Iverson more credit because he is smaller. That's just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Well even so I can definitely dock Wade some points for playing in a league where refs send you to the line for every touch foul. You need to educate yourself. Iverson got MURDERED on a regular basis and even then didn't always get fouls. If he played in this pus*y D Whistle era where a bump was a foul dude would of averaged 40 ppg. What I also will hold against Wade is... he doesn't have to deal with top defending Centers of all time like prime Shaq, Mutombo, Ratliff, Ben Wallace etc. Unless it's Dwight Howard or MAYBE Bogut.. nobody nowadays has an interior presence like these players did defensively.
So tougher reffing and more difficult competition= Iverson>>>Wade.
[QUOTE=Heat007]Iverson was a "volume" scorer.. who was inefficient and the hijacker of his team type.
Wade is a "pure" scorer.. There is a big difference between pure scorers and volume scorers. The pure ones work better within the team concept, involving everyone.
Iverson just used finesse. Meanwhile, Wade has that finesse, but also Wade has a tremendous amount of power. He can go through you, around you, or over you.. Just look how many times he plows and goes right through 7-footers at the rim.
So Wade can beat you in more ways. Which is why he's in the Top 5 Alltime for most drawn fouls ever on a per game basis. Right there with wilt chamberlain and Shaq in the Top 5 alltime. Because Wade is so hard to stop you have to foul him.
Moreover, Wade is just much better all around as a player. He's the closest to Michael Jordan we have ever seen from the guard positions.[/QUOTE]
I agree with a lot of this. I'd much rather have a player such as Wade who combines speed/power as opposed to Iverson whose game was based on speed, allusiveness, and finesse. Wade's game is much more in the framework of the team and this impresses me more than Iverson's volume scoring.
AI was a system player. He was also the better scorer.
Wade's game is much more versatile so he can be successful in more situations and contribute in more ways.
I'll go with Wade.
i mean, just look at the final 3 possessions in regulation of game 5 against Boston.
Wade is down low at the rim and protecting the rim. Wade altered all 3 of Boston's final 3 shots there at the rim... all misses because of Wade, and Wade was a big reason why Boston didn't score a single bucket in the final 4 minutes of regulation.. and only had 4 pts in all of overtime.
Iverson can't do those things. And Wade is a beast rebounder in the paint against bigger men,. Moreover Wade is a beast shot blocker and routinely blocks 7 footers at the rim.
Wade is also an excellent post up player so you can't use that for iverson. Wade's post up game has been compared to jordan by coaches in the NBA
Only Jordan played so big as a guard against big men like Wade does.
I can go on and on and list so much more that Wade has over Iverson, it's not even funny.
Anyone who would say it's a clear cut answer or Wade>>>Iverson easily... or even Iverson>>Wade easily... DID NOT watch both players in their prime. I watched the entire prime of Iverson as well as Wade. Btw... Wade is not a better playmaker than Iverson. More unselfish? Yes. Better passer/playmaker? What evidence do you have for this? Both have the same career apg, Iverson a higher prime apg. All this with Iverson playing with FAR less offensive weapons. If you want to get into hypothetical imagine how many assists Iverson would average next to a scoring threat like Shaq or Lebron?
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Well even so I can definitely dock Wade some points for playing in a league where refs send you to the line for every touch foul. You need to educate yourself. Iverson got MURDERED on a regular basis and even then didn't always get fouls. If he played in this pus*y D Whistle era where a bump was a foul dude would of averaged 40 ppg. What I also will hold against Wade is... he doesn't have to deal with top defending Centers of all time like prime Shaq, Mutombo, Ratliff, Ben Wallace etc. Unless it's Dwight Howard or MAYBE Bogut.. nobody nowadays has an interior presence like these players did defensively.
So tougher reffing and more difficult competition= Iverson>>>Wade.[/QUOTE]
Any star player who attacks the basket regularly in today's game is accorded the same treatment as Wade. Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo, Rose, etc. are all treated the same. The D-Whistle nonsense does nothing for your argument, it only makes you look foolish and makes you look like a meatball fan. I also don't buy your Iverson was getting murdered all the time in a much better defensive era argument. It was a bit tougher in Iverson's prime, but the league had already changed drastically since the early 90's. Teams already couldn't play the same way the old pistons and Knick teams played. A large part of Iverson being murdered is because he was so damn small and reckless. He had the same recklessness as wade, except he was 4 inches shorter and 50 pounds or so lighter. This will definitely make him look like he was getting bounced around a lot, which he certainly was. As for him averaging 40 points in today's game, that is simply absurd and is just you using hyperbole to support your flawed argument.
i laugh at some posters here who think Iverson was a better scorer. That just goes to show you how some people watch only the highlights or look at the points in the box scores.
:oldlol:
Clippersfan does bring up an interesting point though.. big men back in the early 00s were much, much better rim protectors than those of today and back then there were no soft perimeter rules.. plenty of handchecking + zone defense. Wade exploded after the new rules went into effect making it easier for perimeter players to score and draw fouls.. and what do you know.. wade is the 5th highest foul drawer in the history of the NBA behind the likes of guys like Wilt Chamberlain and Shaquille Oneal.
[QUOTE=AngelEyes]Any star player who attacks the basket regularly in today's game is accorded the same treatment as Wade. Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo, Rose, etc. are all treated the same. The D-Whistle nonsense does nothing for your argument, it only makes you look foolish and makes you look like a meatball fan. I also don't buy your Iverson was getting murdered all the time in a much better defensive era argument. It was a bit tougher in Iverson's prime, but the league had already changed drastically since the early 90's. Teams already couldn't play the same way the old pistons and Knick teams played. A large part of Iverson being murdered is because he was so damn small and reckless. He had the same recklessness as wade, except he was 4 inches shorter and 50 pounds or so lighter. This will definitely make him look like he was getting bounced around a lot, which he certainly was. As for him averaging 40 points in today's game, that is simply absurd and is just you using hyperbole to support your flawed argument.[/QUOTE]
Um no dude.. just no. I didn't say only Wade got the treatment. I'm saying this era in general.. is MUCH different than 2001. Refs call every fu**ing bump a foul now even in playoff games. Reckless or not.. Iverson played in a much rougher era. Just like Jordan played in the toughest era of all time it DOES make a difference in production obviously. Do you know how good of paint enforcers/defenders prime Shaq, Mutombo, Ben Wallace and Theo Ratliff were? Imagine 4-5 Dwight Howard caliber bigs in the league that are allowed to be more physical with you?
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Anyone who would say it's a clear cut answer or Wade>>>Iverson easily... or even Iverson>>Wade easily... DID NOT watch both players in their prime. I watched the entire prime of Iverson as well as Wade. Btw... Wade is not a better playmaker than Iverson. More unselfish? Yes. Better passer/playmaker? What evidence do you have for this? Both have the same career apg, Iverson a higher prime apg. All this with Iverson playing with FAR less offensive weapons. If you want to get into hypothetical imagine how many assists Iverson would average next to a scoring threat like Shaq or Lebron?[/QUOTE]
I'm definitely not saying one is clear cut better than the other. I think they're both on the same level, with both possessing advantages over the other. I've seen the entire career of Iverson, from his rookie season in 96-97 to his last days in the league. I've seen Wade since his first playing season for Marquette in 01-02. Wade certainly is the better playmaker. I don't care what the numbers say. Wade was always much better equipped in running a half court offense than Iverson.
If some of you cant see that Iverson is a chucker and infinitely worse than Wade than :facepalm Check his peak years as far as poitns go, his fg % was under 40 one year and barely over 40 the next. As to wear Wade's peak is 50. Iverson is overrated to hell and back on this site
[QUOTE=tpols]Clippersfan does bring up an interesting point though.. big men back in the early 00s were much, much better rim protectors than those of today and back then there were no soft perimeter rules.. plenty of handchecking + zone defense. Wade exploded after the new rules went into effect making it easier for perimeter players to score and draw fouls.. and what do you know.. wade is the 5th highest foul drawer in the history of the NBA behind the likes of guys like Wilt Chamberlain and Shaquille Oneal.[/QUOTE]
All I'm trying to say here. Thank you! I'm not even saying Iverson is better. I'm saying Iverson is better scorer, Wade all around better but who I'd pick depends on teammates and system around them. When someone tried to say Iverson wasn't a better scorer or that Wade was light years better is what I had a problem with.
AI led his team to the finals, what has wade done
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Um no dude.. just no. I didn't say only Wade got the treatment. I'm saying this era in general.. is MUCH different than 2001. Refs call every fu**ing bump a foul now even in playoff games. Reckless or not.. Iverson played in a much rougher era. Just like Jordan played in the toughest era of all time it DOES make a difference in production obviously. Do you know how good of paint enforcers/defenders prime Shaq, Mutombo, Ben Wallace and Theo Ratliff were? Imagine 4-5 Dwight Howard caliber bigs in the league that are allowed to be more physical with you?[/QUOTE]
I understand this and it is a valid point, but I think Wade would have had similar success regardless. There were no big men that were going to stop Wade in any era. This goes for all truly great players. None of those big men, Ratliff, Mutombo, etc. were going to stop wade.
lol iverson was not a better scorer than wade.
wade is better at getting to the ring.
better from midrange.
equal from 3.
better in the post.
and better off the catch and shoot.
what makes iverson the better scorer? id love to hear the reasons for the people claiming so.
[QUOTE=zay_24]AI led his team to the finals, what has wade done[/QUOTE]
:lol Won one..
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Anyone who would say it's a clear cut answer or Wade>>>Iverson easily... or even Iverson>>Wade easily... DID NOT watch both players in their prime. I watched the entire prime of Iverson as well as Wade. Btw... Wade is not a better playmaker than Iverson. More unselfish? Yes. Better passer/playmaker? What evidence do you have for this? Both have the same career apg, Iverson a higher prime apg. All this with Iverson playing with FAR less offensive weapons. If you want to get into hypothetical imagine how many assists Iverson would average next to a scoring threat like Shaq or Lebron?[/QUOTE]
Nice try. Wade's highest assist season was in 09 (7.5 apg) when he had neither Shaq nor LeBron. And in 07, before he got hurt after the all-star game, he was averaging 8 apg (along with 29 ppg) and Shaq missed half of the year-- basically, 80% of the games that were the ones Wade played.
This is Wade, and it's not in the least bit close. Fifty percent shooters are better than fourty percent shooters unless the 40% shooters do other things better. And Iverson does almost nothing better than Wade or even nearly as well.
You may compare Allen Iverson and Derrick Rose. Reserve Dwyane Wade for comparisons that are worthy of him, please.
Wade, he is not a team cancer.
give me iverson he is a fighter and better than wade on O
wade is better on D though
[QUOTE=AngelEyes]I'm not going to penalize Wade for being larger and stronger than Iverson. To do so would be ridiculous. I understand perfectly Iverson's greatness as a scorer, but as great as he was I think Wade is on the same kind of level, despite the difference in scoring totals. Wade is a much more willing passer than Iverson ever was and this reflects his scoring totals. To put up over 30 points per game in a season and shoot 49% is astonishing and something I don't think Iverson could have ever done. Wade's size allows him to do more than Iverson could ever do. Iverson was never equal to Wade as a passer/playmaker.[/QUOTE]
Well said! I think that whatever Iverson was great at Wade was better at. No knock on AI even though I think playmaking passer wise they are very close. And scoring wise they are very close. I just think Wade is a better defender and more efficient a scorer. But AI being 6'0 or even smaller can only do so many things size wise compared to Wade. For example Wade can check PG, SG, or many SF's defensively. AI can't do that. I realize AI catches heat for his FG%. But AI played on many teams where he had to put up those many shots for his team to win. But in any event I gotta go Wade over AI. But both are amongst the top SG's of all time.
[QUOTE=jrong]Nice try. Wade's highest assist season was in 09 (7.5 apg) when he had neither Shaq nor LeBron. And in 07, before he got hurt after the all-star game, he was averaging 8 apg (along with 29 ppg) and Shaq missed half of the year-- basically, 80% of the games that were the ones Wade played.
This is Wade, and it's not in the least bit close. Fifty percent shooters are better than fourty percent shooters unless the 40% shooters do other things better. And Iverson does almost nothing better than Wade or even nearly as well.
You may compare Allen Iverson and Derrick Rose. [b]Reserve Dwyane Wade for comparisons that are worthy of him, please[/b].[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
This comparison to Iverson is just an insult to Wade. Wade has a much higher benchmark than Allen fvckin Iverson, and in so many ways it's ridiculous to even get into too deeply. It just shows the lack of basic basketball knowledge by some of the posters here.
[QUOTE=Heat007]Exactly.
This comparison to Iverson is just an insult to Wade. Wade has a much higher benchmark than Allen fvckin Iverson, and in so many ways it's ridiculous to even get into too deeply. It just shows the lack of basic basketball knowledge by some of the posters here.[/QUOTE]
we should compare him to jordan right
iverson is a fair comparison
Wade easily. Much more efficient scorer, more willing passer, far more committed to defense.
Well im just glad I got to watch Iverson play on a regular basis during his prime.:bowdown:
Its hard to explain, and comparing stats just cant do it. But he was just amazing to watch. Played with so much heart and went all out every game.. His 76ers teams were pretty average at best, but watching him take a game over was just awesome...
Comparing players like this is BS, but obviously if you had to take one it would be Wade because of his size, defence etc... Iverson is probably one of my favourite all time players though and its an unfair comparison IMO...
[QUOTE=donald_trump]lol iverson was not a better scorer than wade.
wade is better at getting to the ring.
better from midrange.
equal from 3.
better in the post.
and better off the catch and shoot.
what makes iverson the better scorer? id love to hear the reasons for the people claiming so.[/QUOTE]
3 50 points + in playoff out of 71 games for AI (won all 3 games)
0 50 points + in playoff out of 72 games for Dwhistle in high scoring avg and more favorable scoring rule
1 50 points + in playoff out of 208 games for Kobe overrated Bryant
talking about best scoring sg post jordan-era
here's ur answer for those who never watch AI played, or pretend to be like they watched before
[QUOTE=Nobler]If some of you cant see that Iverson is a chucker and infinitely worse than Wade than :facepalm Check his peak years as far as poitns go, his fg % was under 40 one year and barely over 40 the next. As to wear Wade's peak is 50. Iverson is overrated to hell and back on this site[/QUOTE]
that kb24 in ur profile pic is biggest choker 1 out 208 lol
we all know kb can put up big # when the game that's really not matter lol
[QUOTE=Shih508]3 50 points + in playoff out of 71 games for AI (won all 3 games)
0 50 points + in playoff out of 72 games for Dwhistle in high scoring avg and more favorable scoring rule
1 50 points + in playoff out of 208 games for Kobe overrated Bryant
talking about best scoring sg post jordan-era
here's ur answer for those who never watch AI played, or pretend to be like they watched before[/QUOTE]
yeah and jamal crawford having more 50 point games than carmelo makes him a better scorer.
I'll take Wade. Even tho AI got way more balls.