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IMO.
1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
And to think.. all three played in the same era, and at one point, the same conference (with Shaq and Kobe) ! 00's era! :bowdown:
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IMO.
1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
And to think.. all three played in the same era, and at one point, the same conference (with Shaq and Kobe) ! 00's era! :bowdown:
The Order should actually be.
1. Dirk
2.KG/Duncan
k thnx.
Dirk over Barkley, Malone, and Pettit at this point in his career? Ok buddy.
Duncan, Barkley, etc... Great era for PFs though. :applause:
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IMO.
1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
And to think.. all three played in the same era, and at one point, the same conference (with Shaq and Kobe) ! 00's era! :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Take off Kobe, and you have the four best.
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Tim Duncan.
Charles Barkley.
Karl Malone.
Dirk.
KG.
I'm not putting Dirk above Malone until these playoffs are over and done with.
Here's how I have it.
1. Duncan
2. Mchale
3. Malone
4. KG
5. Dirk
If Dallas wins it all, after the playoffs Dirk has had, I cannot put him as low as 5th.
IMO he leapfrogs KG and Malone if Dallas wins. If he gets his ring, this will be looked at as one of the single greatest overall playoff performances of all time.
[QUOTE=EvanW]I'm not putting Dirk above Malone until these playoffs are over and done with.
Here's how I have it.
1. Duncan
2. Mchale
3. Malone
4. KG
5. Dirk
If Dallas wins it all, after the playoffs Dirk has had, I cannot put him as low as 5th.
IMO he leapfrogs KG and Malone if Dallas wins. If he gets his ring, this will be looked at as one of the single greatest overall playoff performances of all time.[/QUOTE]
Why the hell is McHale so overrated? Where is Barkley and Bob Pettit?
[quote=DStebb716]Tim Duncan.
Charles Barkley.
Karl Malone.
Dirk.
KG.[/quote]
This guy got the right answer. Nice job.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Why the hell is McHale so overrated? Where is Barkley and Bob Pettit?[/QUOTE]How is McHale overrated? Do you not count defense or something? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=EvanW]I'm not putting Dirk above Malone until these playoffs are over and done with.
Here's how I have it.
1. Duncan
2. Mchale
3. Malone
4. KG
5. Dirk
If Dallas wins it all, after the playoffs Dirk has had, I cannot put him as low as 5th.
IMO he leapfrogs KG and Malone if Dallas wins. If he gets his ring, this will be looked at as one of the single greatest overall playoff performances of all time.[/QUOTE]
One of the worst lists i've ever seen. McHale is not top 5 all time....and no Pettit? LOL
1. Duncan
2. Pettit
3. KG
4. Malone
5. Barkley
6. Dirk
After Duncan its starting to get very debatable between the next 5 guys. I would have no problem with those guys being in any order.
I mean obviously you do count defense since you think Pettit is better, even though McHale was on a whole other level, offensively.
[QUOTE=EvanW]How is McHale overrated? Do you not count defense or something? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I do, but the second greatest PF ever? Dude has really know personal accolades. He has like 6 All-Star games, 1 All-NBA Team (just one) and a bunch of All-D Teams. Is there any other player considered the 2nd best at their position with 1 All-NBA Team?
In his prime, he was gettin beaten out by guys like Nique Wilkins, Bernard King, Alex English, Tom Chambers and young Barkley and Malone.
1. Duncan
2. KG
3. Malone
4. Barkley
5. Dirk
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Take off Kobe, and you have the four best.
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That's a cool cover. I'm guessing Shaq got one all to himself.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]I do, but the second greatest PF ever? Dude has really know personal accolades. He has like 6 All-Star games, 1 All-NBA Team (just one) and a bunch of All-D Teams. Is there any other player considered the 2nd best at their position with 1 All-NBA Team?
In his prime, he was gettin beaten out by guys like [B]Nique Wilkins, Bernard King, Alex English, Tom Chambers and young Barkley and Malone[/B].[/QUOTE]Look at all the rings in that group. Oh wait.
One on one defense should not be your only consideration (it certainly doesn't help Barkley). It's the same reason KG is great. His contributions to overall team defense were invaluable.
I'm fine with any list put up here as long as Dirk is above KG.
Both played in the same era and if you don't see that Dirk has been clearly above KG season after season then you are stupid and eff your list and you.
What more must Dirk do? :(
[QUOTE=EvanW]Look at all the rings in that group. Oh wait.
One on one defense should not be your only consideration (it certainly doesn't help Barkley). It's the same reason KG is great. His contributions to overall team defense were invaluable.[/QUOTE]
Rings aside, if he was so great (which I'm not saying he isn't just not top 2 great) than where are his All-NBA Team selections at? Hell, Robert Parish has two All-NBA selections.
KG has like 10+ All-NBA Teams.
I would take Dirk over malone...and charles
and I am in my 30s, I am fully aware of what both of those guys did...how they played
Dirk is just a one of a kind...there has never been anything like him
I wouldn't rank him over Tim...no way...that might be about it for me though
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Take off Kobe, and you have the four best.
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Holy crap, I saw these in pictures, but never did I see these piece of sh1t shoes on Kobe.... :lol
[QUOTE=-playmaker-]I would take Dirk over malone...and charles
and I am in my 30s, I am fully aware of what both of those guys did...how they played
Dirk is just a one of a kind...there has never been anything like him
I wouldn't rank him over Tim...no way...that might be about it for me though[/QUOTE]
After this year, its has officially become debatable between KG/Malone/Barkley vs Dirk. I still will have all of those guys over Dirk just because I think they had better peaks.....but Dirk has officially entered that conversation.
If Dirk continues to play great for a few more years, he will probably surpass them all though.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Rings aside, if he was so great (which I'm not saying he isn't just not top 2 great) than where are his All-NBA Team selections at? Hell, Robert Parish has two All-NBA selections.
KG has like 10+ All-NBA Teams.[/QUOTE]I'm not disputing that. But the fact that McHale has been described by many of his NBA peers that played against him that, at his prime, he was simply unguardable. I personally put stock into that. It's significant, without question.
Also, he was putting up MVP numbers in '87 before he broke his foot.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]After this year, its has officially become debatable between KG/Malone/Barkley vs Dirk. I still will have all of those guys over Dirk just because I think they had better peaks.....but Dirk has officially entered that conversation.
If Dirk continues to play great for a few more years, he will probably surpass them all though.[/QUOTE]
I think Dirk has always been better than KG...I don't care what KG's numbers say...Dirk is a better team leader...he wins...yeah KG had scrubs in Minny, but I would bet anything that had Dirk been on the T-Wolves those years that they would have won more than they did with KG...
[B]Prime Barkley > Any other PF
Duncan
Barkley
Malone[/B]
[QUOTE=EvanW]I'm not disputing that. But the fact that McHale has been described by many of his NBA peers that played against him that, at his prime, he was simply unguardable. I personally put stock into that. It's significant, without question.
Also, he was putting up MVP numbers in '87 before he broke his foot.[/QUOTE]
They've said the same about Bernard King.Wilt said Sam Jones was the greatest player ever in 1962. Hell, Bird said Dennis Johnson is the greatest player he's ever played with. I don't see him in anyone's top 2 list, let alone top 10.
Barkley has said many times that McHale is the hardest person he's ever had to guard.
Peers boost peers up, it's a respect thing.
[QUOTE=-playmaker-]I think Dirk has always been better than KG...I don't care what KG's numbers say...Dirk is a better team leader...he wins...yeah KG had scrubs in Minny, but I would bet anything that had Dirk been on the T-Wolves those years that they would have won more than they did with KG...[/QUOTE]
I hear you.
I just think KG is a little better overall and had a slightly bigger impact because of his defense.
But its debatable. Like I said, Dirk has officially moved into that Malone/KG/Barkley tier as a player.
[quote=-playmaker-]I think Dirk has always been better than KG...I don't care what KG's numbers say...Dirk is a better team leader...he wins...yeah KG had scrubs in Minny, but I would bet anything that had Dirk been on the T-Wolves those years that they would have won more than they did with KG...[/quote]
I think it's safe to say with Dirk in Minny you would have seen 11 50 win seasons and his team advancing past the first round. More than KG can say.
But KG yells into the camera a lot and makes comments about AK47s and screams and flexes and says that basketball is like war. So that must put him over the top as tougher than Dirk. /raaaawwwwrrrrrr /flex /poseforcamera /lookhard
It goes:
Duncan
Garnett
Barkley
Malone
Dirk (iffy, can switch w/McHale or Petitt)
Duncan and Garnett are top 2 because in their peak they were great on both ends of the court. Duncan and Garnett are easily peak defenders, and anchors to their team (Garnett, DPOY and anchor to one of the greatest teams in 2008, how amazing is that?); both delivered on the offensive end tho Duncan was a flat-out better scorer than KG.
I would be sorely tempted to put Dirk above Malone/Barkley if he wins the championship, but I think Malone will suffice since Barkley's peak from 88-93/94 was just outstanding.
[quote=TheAnchorman]It goes:
Duncan
Garnett
Barkley
Malone
Dirk (iffy, can switch w/McHale or Petitt)
Duncan and Garnett are top 2 because in their peak they were great on both ends of the court. Duncan and Garnett are easily peak defenders, and anchors to their team (Garnett, DPOY and anchor to one of the greatest teams in 2008, how amazing is that?); both delivered on the offensive end tho Duncan was a flat-out better scorer than KG.
I would be sorely tempted to put Dirk above Malone/Barkley if he wins the championship, but I think Malone will suffice since Barkley's peak from 88-93/94 was just outstanding.[/quote]
No reason to rank KG that high unless you fall for him screaming at the camera in a Celtics uniform and thumping his chest. If you fell for that act then I just feel sorry for you.
Duncan
Dirk
KG
in this order, the best 3 PFs in this era! Dirk's defensive is underrated and KG's offensive is way overrated! He's stats padding at SF position in early of his career if you guys can't remember that~
[QUOTE=MavsPoke]No reason to rank KG that high unless you fall for him screaming at the camera in a Celtics uniform and thumping his chest. If you fell for that act then I just feel sorry for you.[/QUOTE]
If you can't acknowledge his game beyond that then I feel bad for you :oldlol:
[QUOTE=chazzy]If you can't acknowledge his game beyond that then I feel bad for you :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I think he's just pointing to KG being a little over-rated for reasons that seem to not exist on the court.
Which is true. The idea that KG is in a different class of player than Dirk is just silly.
I have KG over Dirk, but that gap is starting to get really close as the years go by.
Here we go with the hype. Dirk is no doubt the best PF in the league and one of the best players ever (top 20 probably), but he is not a top 3 PF of all time.
No way I take Dirk over Duncan, KG, Malone, and Barkley. Though Dirk has a strong argument for 5th best PF ever. I think Dirk edges out Rodman and McHale for the 5th spot.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I think he's just pointing to KG being a little over-rated for reasons that seem to not exist on the court.
Which is true. The idea that KG is in a different class of player than Dirk is just silly.
I have KG over Dirk, but that gap is starting to get really close as the years go by.[/QUOTE]
Prime KG was in a different class than Dirk. He was much better than Dirk ever was. Dirk has been blessed to have a always deep talented supporting cast including at one time having prime Nash. KG had trash for the first 12 years of his career on Minny and still even got them to the WCF once (or maybe twice I don't remember). The thought of prime KG and prime Nash on the same team is scary.
KG was a far superior defender, passer, rebounder than Dirk. Dirk has a slight edge on offense though.
1) Hakeem Olajuwon
2) Eh do the rest matter?
[QUOTE=LebronGOAT]Prime KG was in a different class than Dirk. He was much better than Dirk ever was. Dirk has been blessed to have a always deep talented supporting cast including at one time having prime Nash. KG had trash for the first 12 years of his career on Minny and still even got them to the WCF once (or maybe twice I don't remember). The thought of prime KG and prime Nash on the same team is scary.
KG was a far superior defender, passer, rebounder than Dirk. Dirk has a slight edge on offense though.[/QUOTE]
Not really actually.
And Nash didn't emerge as an elite player until 2002. In 2002, the Mavs swept KG in the playoffs with Dirk being the best player in the series. The Mavs then lost to the 02 Kings....the best team in the league. No way KG in place of Dirk gets by the 02 Kings.
Then we have 03. The Mavs made the WCF and Dirk got hurt in game 3 never played again. To get there, the Mavs won 2 game 7's. Dirk had over 30 and 10 in both. Perhaps a healthy KG gets by the Spurs in the WCF.....but maybe a healthy Dirk does as well.
The we have 04. Finley declined and Nash battled a bad back all year and wore down again late in the year. Nash had so many nagging injuries that the Mavs decided to let him go.
And thats it. That was the entire Nash and Dirk era. 3 years together at elite levels. 1 year beaten by a flat out better team and the next somewhat derailed by injuries.
So sorry, don't see KG doing much differently in that situation.
You're all insane.
Malone and Barkley would slaughter Nowitzki and KG.
Too strong.
[QUOTE=BarberSchool]You're all insane.
Malone and Barkley would slaughter Nowitzki and KG.
Too strong.[/QUOTE]
Is this a one on one game?
They are all great. All I ask is that people stop acting like KG/Barkley/Malone are on a different level than Dirk. That is over now. Its done. This year has officially brought Dirk into the conversation.
I still have those guys over Dirk, but that gap is getting smaller and smaller after each game Dirk continues to play at such a high level.
The "Peak kg was light years above Dirk" argument is flat out revisionist history bullshit. 2004 KG was light years above 2004 Dirk because that was KGs best year and Dirk's worst. Other than that? They were close with KG probably having a slight edge from about 1999-2004. 2005 was close but different. Dirk has been clearly better since 2006 though. I just dont see how when they played at the same time and dirks been better for as many seasons already(and was MUCH closer in several of them than KG is now) and has so many more left that you rank KG higher.