MJ vs Charles Barkley (1993 NBA Finals Game 2)

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:bowdown: :bowdown:

Nice game :cheers:

Great game. The Bulls won 111-108 as Danny Ainge's last-second shot was rejected by Pippen. I recently watched game 4 on the Ultimate Jordan Three Disc DVD when Jordan dropped 55, which is equally as great.

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I feel super old.

Notice the amount of off the ball work and using defenders' momentum and line of vision against them, give and go's etc. that MJ does in this game. Masterful basketball. I laugh when people suggest that guys today are more skilled than him. You never see this type of stuff done today by anyone.

Mike Fratello at 8:39 says: "Jordan, who moves as well as anyone in the league without the basketball..." How many of today's top players can we say that about? A lost art indeed.

PS - Round Mound, you linked to the 28 minute mark in the video, not the beginning of the video.

lol @ the horrific defense in that vid. Just laughably bad.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol @ the horrific defense in that vid. Just laughably bad.[/QUOTE]

this

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol @ the horrific defense in that vid. Just laughably bad.[/QUOTE]

Damn you Jordan and your ability to read, react and execute, for your ability to split and avoid double teams, to exploit mismatches, ability to move without the basketball and create easy shots, for your superior athletic abilities and skills... DAMN YOU!!!!

damn you suns for your horrible defensive front-court, lack of rotations, horrible close-outs, mediocre communication, and lack of effort....DAMN YOU!

[QUOTE=Jacks3]damn you suns for your horrible defensive front-court, lack of rotations, horrible close-outs, mediocre communication, and lack of effort....DAMN YOU![/QUOTE]
It's okay to be mad, you should be.

MJ would've embarrassed today's defense even worse.

yes, terrible defense does get me pissed off, but i take solace in the fact that in my era the defenses are 10X more advanced. thank god.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]yes, terrible defense does get me pissed off, but i take solace in the fact that in my era the defenses are 10X more advanced. thank god.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Look at the perimiter defense from the NBA's All-Defensive First Team SG in this era.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylPC8ojduiA[/url]

[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]I agree. Look at the perimiter defense from the NBA's All-Defensive First Team SG in this era.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylPC8ojduiA[/url][/QUOTE]
:bowdown: :bowdown:

if he was playing the suns, allen wouldn't even have had to reverse. he'd just lay it up or dunk. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Jacks3]if he was playing the suns, allen wouldn't even have had to reverse. he'd just lay it up or dunk. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Your defense of that clip was almost as bad as Kobe's defense of Ray Allen in the clip.

[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]Your defense of that clip was almost as bad as Kobe's defense of Ray Allen in the clip.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

and still 10X times better than the "defense" of the suns. :oldlol:

seriously, that shit was terrible. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Jacks3]yes, terrible defense does get me pissed off, but i take solace in the fact that in my era the defenses are 10X more advanced. thank god.[/QUOTE]

Then take solace in comparing defenses of different teams in the same era, not different eras. Someone may misread your comment about the Suns defense and assume that you are trying to take away from Jordan's greatness. Note that the guy was THAT GOOD that even in today's era of defense, he would adapt and pick it apart just the same.

Today's era of defense wouldn't be 10x more advance if not for the mistakes made by the previous era. Today's coaches damn near owe much of their success to coaches of the past, as it makes their job 10x more easier to not repeat the same damn mistakes.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCTfxOrX4k8[/url]

nice defense guys. let a dude bring the ball up-court and then dunk on your entire team. ****ing pathetic. :oldlol:

[B]Today`s Defense is pathetic

Wide Open Lanes
No Contact Allowed for Defenders
5 Second Back to the Basket Rule
No Elite Big Men but Howard
A Feast For Perimeter Players (All Rules Designed to Help Them)
etc[/B]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Today`s Defense is pathetic

Wide Open Lanes
No Contact Allowed for Defenders
5 Second Back to the Basket Rule
No Elite Big Men but Howard
A Feast For Perimeter Players (All Rules Designed to Help Them)
etc[/B][/QUOTE]

Yup players just waltz right into the paint for wide open layups every possession.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]yes, terrible defense does get me pissed off, but i take solace in the fact that in my era the defenses are 10X more advanced. thank god.[/QUOTE]

Defenses are now better?

clearly.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]clearly.[/QUOTE]

Explain...

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol @ the horrific defense in that vid. Just laughably bad.[/QUOTE]

lol @ your ridiculous post. Jordan made the defense LOOK BAD. The defense was fine. Going play by play on MJ's baskets for the first 2/3 of the video:


2:58 - 20-foot pull up off a semi-transition play where Pippen drove and sucked the defense in. Shot was semi-contested. He would get the exact same look today.

3:30 - contested jumper coming off of baseline screens. He'd get the same exact shot off today.

4:26 - contested 3 off of Pippen's drive and kick in transition. He'd get the same exact look today.

5:36 - contested fadeaway jumper as he turns away from the double team to the opposite shoulder. He'd get the same shot today.

6:44 - contested jumper on a quick catch-and-shoot off of off-the-ball movement. He'd get the same exact look today.

7:07 - Open court dunk off a broken play and steal.

8:14 - puts a ridiculous move on KJ in the open court to knife into the seam and finish with the lefty layup. Would get the same shot today.

9:15 - inside shot after recovering the ball off a high alley-oop. Both the initial lob/dunk attempt and the subsequent shot were contested. He would get the same shot today.

9:59 - offensive putback. He'd get these today too.

14:05 - contested layup, gets the rebound, and gets fouled on the putback attempt. He'd get this shot today too - there's no defense for tenacity on the glass.

14:23 - open three off a broken play where the defense was sucked inside due to penetration and crashing the boards. He would get this look today, but it might not be as wide open (still wouldn't be a legitimate shot-contest, though).

15:52 - contested jumper as he spaces well off the BJ drive.

22:13 - well defended and contested lefty layup. He'd get the same exact shot today.

23:11 - an example of the type of play that NO ONE today can make. Masterful basketball. Jordan fakes using the screen, then uses Majerle's vision and momentum against him to flash back to the FT line for the pass, catches it, eludes the reach-in by Ainge, makes an instant move for the pull-up jumper, and when Majerle recovers to contest he hangs, passes off, and instantly cuts to the basket for the perfect give-and-go layup through traffic. Beautiful basketball. lol @ thinking anyone today makes this play the same way. :oldlol:

26:27 - Beautiful contested lefty layup in traffic. He'd get the same look today.

27:03 - quick catch-and-shoot jumper after a beautiful reverse pivot off the ball to lose Majerle along the baseline, causing him to be unable to recover to strongly the shot.


And this doesn't even detail the times he passed off or missed shots. lol @ you acting like that was terrible defense. Just because Jordan - the most skilled player of all time - made it LOOK worse than it was doesn't mean that it's bad. No superstar player today, for instance, can execute the quick catch-and-shoots, off the ball movement, and give and go's seen from Jordan in this game. Things like that are why he made things look easier than they were.

[QUOTE=Jacks3][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCTfxOrX4k8[/url]

nice defense guys. let a dude bring the ball up-court and then dunk on your entire team. ****ing pathetic. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

:sleeping Take your blinders off. Ewing pushes Armstrong in the back, enabling Starks to get by.

[QUOTE=BigBalla44]Nice reply but you shouldnt have wasted your time on that joke. All of his comments are either two things: 1) Defending his sex idol, Kobe Bryant and 2) Hating on MJ or any other player that makes his idol look bad. Jacks3 doesnt contribute to this board whatsoever. Nothing insightful. Nothing informative. Dude's a piece of shit poster.

This guy likes to say MJ is overrated. I'll say his existence is overrated. There's other people who could use the oxygen.[/QUOTE]

Wait, that guy actually thinks Kobe is > MJ?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll: :roll: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

:facepalm

[QUOTE=LBJFTW]Wait, that guy actually thinks Kobe is > MJ?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll: :roll: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Affirmative. Jeff should have banned him a while ago but he admits he drives traffic to the site so he keeps him around. I've got no problem with that.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]clearly.[/QUOTE]

And yet that advanced defense had no answer for a 38 year old white point guard, a 6 foot backup white point guard, a German, and a 6 foot 2 shooting guard who I am not sure can dunk the ball.

Incredibly advanced stuff we are witnessing these days...

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]And yet that advanced defense had no answer for a 38 year old white point guard, a [B]6 foot backup white point guard,[/B] a German, and a 6 foot 2 shooting guard who I am not sure can dunk the ball.

Incredibly advanced stuff we are witnessing these days...[/QUOTE]
JJ Barea isn't white and definitely isn't 6 feet.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]lol @ your ridiculous post. Jordan made the defense LOOK BAD. The defense was fine.
Just because Jordan - the most skilled player of all time - .[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=Jacks3]:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
I agree. T-Mac was more skilled.:pimp:

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]And yet that advanced defense had no answer for a 38 year old white point guard, a 6 foot backup white point guard, a German, and a 6 foot 2 shooting guard who I am not sure can dunk the ball.

Incredibly advanced stuff we are witnessing these days...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, those defenses back then allowing a bunch of slow white guys to consistently drop huge numbers is so awesomez. :roll:

[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]Affirmative. Jeff should have banned him a while ago but he admits he drives traffic to the site so he keeps him around. I've got no problem with that.[/QUOTE]
Ban? For what? Why you MJ stans have to be so sensitive?

****ing *******s.

[QUOTE=RRR3]I agree. T-Mac was more skilled.:pimp:[/QUOTE]
T-Mac/Kobe/Bird are all easily more skilled than that overrated clown MJ.

:pimp:

[QUOTE=Jacks3]T-Mac/Kobe/Bird are all easily more skilled than that overrated clown MJ.

:pimp:[/QUOTE]
T-Mac-Yes. More skilled. Not even close to the results though. He had one year (2002-03) that would justify comparisons to MJ, and even that year was not as good as numerous seasons MJ had.
Kobe-Debatable. I'd go with MJ personally, but it's not an easy choice. In terms of production, MJ all the way though.
Bird-WTF. Bird wasn't that athletic, although he was certainly skilled. His lack of athleticism puts him below all three of these guys in pure skill IMO, although he had a better career than all of theme except MJ.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]Ban? For what? Why you MJ stans have to be so sensitive?

****ing *******s.[/QUOTE]

Seems to me you're the one that's sensitive.