Dan Gilbert and Robert Sarver killed CBA deal

[QUOTE]Owners and players initially found reason for optimism during Tuesday's meetings. Commissioner David Stern and Peter Holt, the head of the owners' executive committee, felt that the players' proposal to take 52 or 53 percent of basketball-related income, compared to 57 under the previous agreement, was basically fair, sources said.

Owners were seriously considering coming off of their demand for a salary freeze and would allow players' future earnings to be tied into the league's revenue growth, a critical point for players. The owners also were willing to allow the players to maintain their current salaries, without rollbacks, sources said.

But when the owners left the players to meet among themselves for around three hours, Cleveland's Dan Gilbert and Phoenix's Robert Sarver expressed their dissatisfaction with many of the points, sources said. The sources said that the Knicks' James Dolan and the Lakers' Jerry Buss were visibly annoyed by the hardline demands of Gilbert and Sarver.[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/09/15/dan.gilbert.and.robert.sarver.killed.potential.deal.during.tuesdays.big.cba.meeting"]F*ck Sarver[/URL]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: my timberlands would like to have a meeting with dan gilberts face.

Robert Sarver is a piece of shit who should have never been accepted as an owner. And we all know Dan Gilbert is still on his jilted lover steez. A deal will get done though. These dudes voices are loud, but not that loud. For every Sarver, and Gilbert, and Ted Leonis, there's a Jerry Buss, Mark Cuban, Micky Arison who will get the ball rolling.

[QUOTE=Anti Hero][URL="http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/09/15/dan.gilbert.and.robert.sarver.killed.potential.deal.during.tuesdays.big.cba.meeting"]F*ck Sarver[/URL][/QUOTE]

i bet wilbon will find a way to say that gilbert is being a racist because of the lockout. wilbon is a blowhard that can't get off the air soon enough

See Donald Sterling is considered the most frugal A hole owner in the league by some people.... yet he wasn't the one bit**ing about the split. Goes to show what people know. Thanks a lot Sarver and Gilbert :mad: .

cheap ass mother****ers

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haha yall mad as fvck.

[QUOTE=kaiiu]haha yall mad as fvck.[/QUOTE]

You're not mad because nobody is excited to see the Cavs this year, including you :confusedshrug: .

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]You're not mad because nobody is excited to see the Cavs this year, including you :confusedshrug: .[/QUOTE]
U mad as fvck. How u like that #1 pick the Clippers won this year? thats rite... yall traded it for Mo shot Mo problems...*******

[QUOTE=kaiiu]U mad as fvck. How u like that #1 pick the Clippers won this year? thats rite... yall traded it for Mo shot Mo problems...*******[/QUOTE]

Who cares really. The Clippers core is set. The Cavs would trade their entire roster for Blake Griffin(including Kyrie):oldlol:

These ni99as mad as fvck :lol

Stern said the deal was fair. It's not gonna get held up because of these jerk offs.

I actually feel optimistic if its just those 2 owners that weren't okay with it. If its just 2 owners, I can't imagine them not getting a deal done.

But man, as much I hate Dan Gilbert, this just makes me hate Lebron even more. Is it really possible that the ultimate result of his "decision" would be possibly missed games or even a season? Not to say he didn't have his right, obviously Gilbert has a bigger axe to grind for how it went down.

[QUOTE]ESPN - In a stunning announcement today, the National Basketball Association has decided to contract the Phoenix Suns and Cleveland Cavaliers, thus reducting the total number of teams to 28. Robert Sarver and Dan Gilbert, owners of the teams respectively, were last seen being tossed outside the NBA Headquarters by a variety of NBA executives and security personnel.

More as this story develops........[/QUOTE]



Done and done.

Business and politics folks.

This sucks bottom line.

I support my owner but damnit this needs to end. Gilbert knows he is going to lose money this season but he should be smart enough to at least make some.

[QUOTE=kaiiu]These ni99as mad as fvck :lol[/QUOTE]
Mad at what? At the fact that the owner of your shitty ass team is about to be worse off because the other 28 owners don't care about his bullshit? :lol

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I'm sure its more than just two owners holding this up.

Those are probably just the two loudest.

From what I have read though all of this, [URL="http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/05/report-nhl-owners-tell-nba-brethren-losing-season-%E2%80%9Cworth-it%E2%80%9D/"]it seems that the owners who also own NHL teams are the most likely to be a hard line group[/URL].

Also, while Sterling isn't reported to have said anything, I seriously doubt he would vote against making more money on his end.

[QUOTE=kentatm]
Also, while Sterling isn't reported to have said anything, I seriously doubt he would vote against making more money on his end.[/QUOTE]
If anything, he'd be with the big market teams AGAINST profit sharing. Dude makes bank and would have to give some of it up to the Clevelands and Milwaukees of the world.

[QUOTE=kaiiu]U mad as fvck. How u like that #1 pick the Clippers won this year? thats rite... yall traded it for Mo shot Mo problems...*******[/QUOTE]

Yea that pick that got you Tristan Thompson, who is Carl Landry at best. Instead of a young Center who can potentially be a borderline all star or all star at that. I think Dan Gilberts decision. Clips benifit from this deal too, its not like its Vince Carter for Eric Williams and low picks. Everyone needs to relax, at this time both side are going to release their Propaganda. Media is desprate for any news, they are willing to release both side's propaganda.

Apparently Sarver and Gilbert are the only NBA owners that are not retarded. The NBA lost $1.845 billion over the last 6 years. It cannot survive if they do not have massive salary cuts.

It will cease to exist under that proposed deal that they supposedly rejected. It just shows what retards guys like Stern, Buss and Dolan are if this is true.

[QUOTE=Knicksfever2010]i bet wilbon will find a way to say that gilbert is being a racist because of the lockout. wilbon is a blowhard that can't get off the air soon enough[/QUOTE]

I dont mind wilbon in general bc hes a legitimate sports enthusiast inlike kornholio and others, but he does seem to have racial paranoia at times, especially when it comes to anything "establishment" etc

[QUOTE=Euroleague]
It will cease to exist under that proposed deal that they supposedly rejected. It just shows what retards guys like Stern, Buss and Dolan are if this is true.[/QUOTE]
Retarded all the way to the bank.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Apparently Sarver and Gilbert are the only NBA owners that are not retarded. The NBA lost $1.845 billion over the last 6 years. It cannot survive if they do not have massive salary cuts.

It will cease to exist under that proposed deal that they supposedly rejected. It just shows what retards guys like Stern, Buss and Dolan are if this is true.[/QUOTE]

Cant speak to the numbers but youre right that we are in an era where EVERY business is cutting back salaries, employees, etc but the nba's immature and anti-establishment fans are like "omgz greedy owners! The players are right, owners are wrong!!! Players deserve more!!!"

Am i the only one that doesnt have a horse in this race? The owners have a league, the players have a union, each side is justified in how it wants to bargain. The mentality that "the guy at the top is always greedy and wrong and everyone else deserves to have his stuff" is so typical of the common nba fan.

This is real world business you morons, not some non-profit charity. Let the two sides do their business.

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Cant speak to the numbers but youre right that we are in an era where EVERY business is cutting back salaries, employees, etc but the nba's immature and anti-establishment fans are like "omgz greedy owners! The players are right, owners are wrong!!! Players deserve more!!!"

Am i the only one that doesnt have a horse in this race? The owners have a league, the players have a union, each side is justified in how it wants to bargain. The mentality that "the guy at the top is always greedy and wrong and everyone else deserves to have his stuff" is so typical of the common nba fan.

This is real world business you morons, not some non-profit charity. Let the two sides do their business.[/QUOTE]


[quote][b]Owners and players initially found reason for optimism during Tuesday's meetings. Commissioner David Stern and Peter Holt, the head of the owners' executive committee, felt that the players' proposal to take 52 or 53 percent of basketball-related income, compared to 57 under the previous agreement, was basically fair, sources said[/b][/quote]

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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]You're not mad because nobody is excited to see the Cavs this year, including you :confusedshrug: .[/QUOTE]

You're mad because you have no life and friends..

[quote]Owners and players initially found reason for optimism during Tuesday's meetings. Commissioner David Stern and Peter Holt, the head of the owners' executive committee, felt that the players' proposal to take 52 or 53 percent of basketball-related income, compared to 57 under the previous agreement, was basically fair, sources said.

Owners were seriously considering coming off of their demand for a salary freeze and would allow players' future earnings to be tied into the league's revenue growth, a critical point for players. The owners also were willing to allow the players to maintain their current salaries, without rollbacks, sources said.

But when the owners left the players to meet among themselves for around three hours, Cleveland's Dan Gilbert and Phoenix's Robert Sarver expressed their dissatisfaction with many of the points, sources said. The sources said that the Knicks' James Dolan and the Lakers' Jerry Buss were visibly annoyed by the hardline demands of Gilbert and Sarver. [/quote]

Good, they shouldn't accept that deal...the players get 53 percent? They should be getting around 43 percent? And no rollbacks? That's also crap. They should put in rollbacks. The deal is pointless without it. And if the players don't accept, then they should just get new ones. They think they control this, and they should not. Thank you Gilbert and Sarver!
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[url]http://m.sportingnews.com/nba/feed/2010-10/nba-labor/story/new-forbes-report-shows-nba-lost-18-billion-over-last-six-years[/url]


[I][B]New Forbes report shows NBA lost $1.8 billion over last six years[/B]

PUBLISHED Wed, 06 Jul 2011 22:08:00 -0400[/I]

[I][B]The NBA has lost $1.845 billion over the last six years[/B], according to audited financial data obtained by Forbes magazine.

* 05-06: 19 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $220 million
* 06-07: 21 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $285 million
* 07-08: 23 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $330 million
* 08-09: 24 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $370 million
* 09-10: 23 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $340 million
* 10-11 (projected): 23 clubs ran at a loss, total loss of $300 million[/I]

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Oh yeah, a 4-5% cut is going to fix this problem. :rolleyes: :facepalm

Get real. The NBA does not make anywhere near the income to support the kind of salaries that NBA players demand. If they accept that deal the NBA will fold and cease to exist within 2-3 years, tops.

[QUOTE=Euroleague][url]http://m.sportingnews.com/nba/feed/2010-10/nba-labor/story/new-forbes-report-shows-nba-lost-18-billion-over-last-six-years[/url]


[I][B]New Forbes report shows NBA lost $1.8 billion over last six years[/B]

PUBLISHED Wed, 06 Jul 2011 22:08:00 -0400[/I]

[I][B]The NBA has lost $1.845 billion over the last six years[/B], according to audited financial data obtained by Forbes magazine.

* 05-06: 19 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $220 million
* 06-07: 21 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $285 million
* 07-08: 23 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $330 million
* 08-09: 24 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $370 million
* 09-10: 23 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $340 million
* 10-11 (projected): 23 clubs ran at a loss, total loss of $300 million[/I]

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Oh yeah, a 4-5% cut is going to fix this problem. :rolleyes: :facepalm

Get real. The NBA does not make anywhere near the income to support the kind of salaries that NBA players demand. If they accept that deal the NBA will fold and cease to exist within 2-3 years, tops.[/QUOTE]
The Warriors were just purchased for almost double what Forbes stated their team value was.

So... basically, anything out of Forbes having to do with the NBA can safely be ignored.

But good job posting a link for once. At least you're improving on your trolling.

Dan Gilbert just doing the Cavaliers justice.

Lets do this Gilbert.

[QUOTE=Droid101]The Warriors were just purchased for almost double what Forbes stated their team value was.

So... basically, anything out of Forbes having to do with the NBA can safely be ignored.

But good job posting a link for once. At least you're improving on your trolling.[/QUOTE]

As usual, you just make up whatever bull shit you can think of to support your "arguments". Even if it is totally illogical and delusional and has absolutely no relation at all to the topic being discussed.

[QUOTE=jbryan1984]I support my owner but damnit this needs to end. Gilbert knows he is going to lose money this season but he should be smart enough to at least make some.[/QUOTE]
It's another year Baron Davis doesn't get payed. And the Commissioner is right.

FOUR teams have won 24 of the last 32 NBA championships since the 1980 season.

Lakers payroll; well over $100 Million

Sacramento at 45.

The "Salary cap" that the NBA has been operating under is virtually worthless.
As much as I wanted to see the new look Cavaliers, go to games with the pals etc. I think we can all agree on the above.

I don't get why the owners are offering so much. Why should the players get the bigger chunk? It makes no sense.

[QUOTE=JaskoX1]It's another year Baron Davis doesn't get payed. And the Commissioner is right.

FOUR teams have won 24 of the last 32 NBA championships since the 1980 season.

Lakers payroll; well over $100 Million

Sacramento at 45.

The "Salary cap" that the NBA has been operating under is virtually worthless.
As much as I wanted to see the new look Cavaliers, go to games with the pals etc. I think we can all agree on the above.[/QUOTE]

How many titles did New York win when they were spending 100 million a year?

What did Orlando get by spending 90 million last year?

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]How many titles did New York win when they were spending 100 million a year?

What did Orlando get by spending 90 million last year?[/QUOTE]

Orlando is a contender...

And you seem to ignore LA....

NY was a decent team....

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]How many titles did New York win when they were spending 100 million a year?

What did Orlando get by spending 90 million last year?[/QUOTE]
It's called terrible management. James Dolan, Otis Smith etc. Still doesn't justify the "Salary cap" which is worthless in the NBA.

[QUOTE=Math2]I don't get why the owners are offering so much. Why should the players get the bigger chunk? It makes no sense.[/QUOTE]

Do watch basketball to see players play or to see owners own?

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Do watch basketball to see players play or to see owners own?[/QUOTE]

Why would the players deserve all that money by playing basketball, when the owners are the actually smart people. It's a waste of money to give it to most of the morons in the NBA.