Wilt in Must-Win and Clinching Games in the Post-Season

Chamberlain has been labeled a "choker" in his post-season career. Let's revisit his post-season career, and more importantly, his performances in the pivotal "must-win" games, as well those that clinched the series' wins. Furthermore, I am including the performance of his OPPOSING centers in those series.

[B]1959-60[/B]. Wilt's ROOKIE season. Keep in mind that Chamberlain came to a LAST-PLACE team, and immediately led them to a then best-ever team record of 49-26.

[B]The first round of the playoffs was a BEST-OF-THREE series. In the clinching game three win (both a "clincher" and a "must-win"), all Wilt did was score 53 points, on 24-42 shooting, with 22 rebounds. How about his OPPOSING center? Multiple all-star Red Kerr had SEVEN points[/B].

Comments: Chamberlain averaged 38.7 ppg in that series, along with 22.3 rpg. Meanwhile, his OPPOSING center, Kerr, averaged 13.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, and shot, get this, ... .294 from the field.

[B]ECF's. In a "must-win" game five, Chamberlain put up a 50 point, 35 rebound, 22-42 game against Russell, in leading Philly to a win. Russell had a 22 point, 27 rebound game. In the clinching game six two-point loss, Chamberlain had 26 points and 24 rebounds, while Russell put up a 25 point, 25 rebound game[/B].

Comments: Wilt averaged 30.5 ppg in that series, along with 27.5 rpg. Russell was at 20.7 ppg and 27.0 rpg.

Incidently, Chamberlain shot .496 in the playoffs that post-season, in a league that shot .410 overall. Meanwhile, his teammates collectively shot .380 in the post-season.


[B]60-61[/B]. [B]Chamberlain's team was swept by Syracuse, 3-0. In the clinching game three loss, Chamberlain scored 33 points. His two opposing centers, Red Kerr and 7-3 Swede Halbrook scored 6 and 7 points respectively[/B].

Comments: Chamberlain averaged 37.0 ppg and 23.0 rpg on .469 shooting (in a league that shot .415), which included a 46 point outburst in game one. His two opposing centers, Kerr and Halbrook, averaged 8.0 ppg and 11.3 ppg respectively. BTW, the Warriors lost one game by three points, and another by one point. How did Wilt's teammates shoot in that series? .332. Yes, .332 from the field.


[B]61-62[/B]. [B]The first round of the playoffs were a best-of-five series. In the must-win and clinching game five win, Chamberlain scored 56 points, with 35 rebounds, and on 22-48 shooting. His opposing center, Red Kerr, had 20 points.[/B]

Comments: Chamberlain averaged 37 ppg, 26.2 rpg, and shot .466 from the floor in that series (in a league that shot .426.) Kerr averaged 17.6 ppg, 16.0 rpg, and shot .376.

[B]ECF's[/B]. [B]In a must-win game six win, Wilt put up a 32 point, 21 rebound game, while Russell had 19 points and 22 rebounds. In the game seven, two-point loss, Wilt was held to a season-low, 22 points, with 21 rebounds (Pollack had him with 22 BTW), on 7-15 shooting. Russell had 19 points, 22 rebounds, on 7-14 shooting[/B].

Comments: Chamberlain outscored Russell, per game, 33.7 ppg to 22.0 ppg, outrebounded Russell, per game, 26.9 rpg, to Russell's 25.9 rpg, and outshot Russell by a .468 to .420 (approx...Russell shot .500 in his Finals, and .457 overall in the playoffs, with half of his 14 games against Wilt.)

Incidently, in the entire post-season, Wilt shot .467, while his teammates collectively shot .354. Despite that horrible shooting, Chamberlain carried that 49-31 team to a game seven, two point loss against the 60-20 Celtics and their SEVEN HOFers. And in game seven of the Finals, Wilt converted a three-point play late to tie the game. Sam Jones hit the game winner over Wilt's outstretched hand. Game recaps credit Chamberlain with "outstanding defense" in that game. BTW, in game two, in a seven point win, Chamberlain outscored Russell, 42-9, and outrebounded him, 37-20.

And for those that claim that Russell really held Chamberlain down in the Finals, based on Wilt's 50.4 ppg .506 regular season numbers... during their regular season H2H's, Wilt averaged 38 ppg on .471 shooting against Russell. In the seven game ECF's, Wilt averaged 33.7 ppg on .468 shooting. Not nearly as dramatic as those like Simmons would claim.


[B]63-64[/B]. [B]In a game seven win of the first round of the WCF's, Chamberlain put up a 39 point, 26 rebound, 10 block game. His opposing center, Zelmo Beaty (who would go on to be a multiple all-star BTW) had 10 points. For the series, Chamberlain averaged 38.6 ppg, 23.0 rpg, and shot .559. Beaty averaged 14.3 ppg, 9.5 rpg, and shot .521 from the floor[/B].

Comments: Incidently, that .521 by Beaty was the highest opposing FG% that I could find that Wilt allowed in the post-season. And Jerry Lucas' .500 in the '72 Finals, were the only two that I could find in which he allowed an opposing center, in 29 playoff series, to shoot .500 or better.

Oh, and Wilt had a 50 point game, on 22-32 shooting, in game five of that series.

[B]Finals[/B]. [B]In the clinching game five loss, Wilt had a 30 point, 27 rebound game. Russell had a 14 point, 26 rebound game[/B].

Comments: Chamberlain outscored Russell, per game, in the Finals, 29.2 ppg to Russell's 11.2 ppg. Wilt outrebounded Russell, per game, 27.6 rpg, to 25.2 rpg. And Chamberlain shot .517 from the floor in that series. I couldn't find Russell's FG% in that series, but in his ten post-season games, he shot .356, and half of those ten games were against Chamberlain.

Wilt's 48-32 Warriors were outgunned in HOFers by Russell's Celtics, 8-2 (and Chamberlain's lone HOF teammate was rookie Nate Thurmond, who was playing part-time, out of position, and shooting .395 in the process.) Two of the losses were decided in the last few seconds, as well. In the game four, 98-95 loss, Wilt outscored Russell, 27-8, and outrebounded Russell, 38-19.


[B]64-65[/B]. [B]In the clinching game four win of the first round of the playoffs against the Royals (in a best-of-five series), Wilt had 38 points. His opposing center, HOFer and multiple all-star, Wayne Embry, had 7 points[/B].

Comments: Wilt averaged 22.5 ppg and 15.6 rpg in the series. Embry averaged 12.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, and shot .438 from the floor. Clearly, Wilt saved his best effort in that series, for the clincher.

[B]ECF's[/B]. [B]In the clinching game seven, one point loss, Wilt scored 30 points, on 12-15 shooting from the floor, with 32 rebounds. Russell had 15 points, on 7-16 shooting from the field, with 29 rebounds (as well as many blocks.)[/B]

Chamberlain scored six of Philly's last eight points, (including 2-2 from the line with 36 secs left, and a dunk over Russell with 5 secs left), in bringing the 40-40 Sixers back from a 110-101 deficit to within 110-109. Russell then hit guidewire with the inbounds pass, and the Sixers had an opportunity to pull off a major upset over the 62-18 Celtics. However, "Havlicek stole the ball", and the Sixers lost that game seven by one point.

Comments: Chamberlain outscored Russell per game, 30.1 ppg to 15.6 ppg, and outrebounded Russell, per game, 31.6 rpg to 25.3 rpg. Russell shot .451 from the floor against Wilt (which was probably his HIGHEST post-season FG% series against Chamberlain), and while I couldn't find Wilt's FG% in that series, he shot .530 overall in the playoffs, with seven of his 11 games against Russell.

Chamberlain shot .530 in the post-season, and his teammates collectively shot .413.


To be continued...

Wilt averaged 30/23 for his career. You could pull any numbers from any situation...at random...the numbers alone are gonna look good. He never had a game under 10 rebounds. He played 47 minutes a game for his playoff career. The least minutes he played in a playoff run...ever...was 46.2. You arent gonna play Wilt 46-49 minutes(he averaged 48.5 one rum...im guessing he played every minute of the playoffs) on a team that scores over 130 points 35 times in a season(at a glance...30+ times in 67) and not have him produce epic numbers.

I dont think the people who hate on wilt think that he put up 12/8 in closeout games. You pull 5 Wilt games out at random he probably has like 34/22, 20/28/12, 55/33, 14/25/8, and 47/32/6.

Wilt isnt a guy who is gonna have bad numbers or have been out produced by his opponent. His opponent probably averaged better numbers than him coming into the series in 2-3 series ever...probably all of them vs Kareem or Reed when he was old. Why would Johnny Kerr and his 15ppg on 38% shooting have better numbers than Wilt? Why would Wayne Embry(no doubt a good player...and quite strong...but he isnt in the HOF as a player) have better numbers than Wilt? He averaged 13 a game that season.

And how many of wilts opposing center would be expected to shoot 50% anyway? Walt bellamy? Lucas? that it? Maybe some of the guys who came in mid 60s like Reed. Embry, Russell, thurmond, Kerr, and most of the late 50s early 60s guys were shooting in the low 40s(sometimes high 30s) anyway.

Wilt has the statistical advantage over over pretty much everyone ever no matter the situation doesnt he?

Wilt definitely played good in many games and series in the post season where his team was eliminated in.

In those games and series they lost because either the opposing team was better then his team as a whole or because his supporting cast played poorly.

He should not be blamed for those losses but praised for his excellent play in defeat.

:rockon:

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Wilt averaged 30/23 for his career. You could pull any numbers from any situation...at random...the numbers alone are gonna look good. He never had a game under 10 rebounds. He played 47 minutes a game for his playoff career. The least minutes he played in a playoff run...ever...was 46.2. You arent gonna play Wilt 46-49 minutes(he averaged 48.5 one rum...im guessing he played every minute of the playoffs) on a team that scores over 130 points 35 times in a season(at a glance...30+ times in 67) and not have him produce epic numbers.

I dont think the people who hate on wilt think that he put up 12/8 in closeout games. You pull 5 Wilt games out at random he probably has like 34/22, 20/28/12, 55/33, 14/25/8, and 47/32/6.

Wilt isnt a guy who is gonna have bad numbers or have been out produced by his opponent. His opponent probably averaged better numbers than him coming into the series in 2-3 series ever...probably all of them vs Kareem or Reed when he was old. Why would Johnny Kerr and his 15ppg on 38% shooting have better numbers than Wilt? Why would Wayne Embry(no doubt a good player...and quite strong...but he isnt in the HOF as a player) have better numbers than Wilt? He averaged 13 a game that season.

[B]And how many of wilts opposing center would be expected to shoot 50% anyway[/B]? Walt bellamy? Lucas? that it? Maybe some of the guys who came in mid 60s like Reed. Embry, Russell, thurmond, Kerr, and most of the late 50s early 60s guys were shooting in the low 40s(sometimes high 30s) anyway.

Wilt has the statistical advantage over over pretty much everyone ever no matter the situation doesnt he?[/QUOTE]

Real quickly, (and I will post the "must-win" and clinching games later), Kareem shot .481 and .457 against Wilt in their two H2H playoff series (in seasons in which he shot .577 and .574.) Bellamy shot .421 in the 67-68 playoffs against Wilt, in a season in which he shot .541 from the floor.

[QUOTE=jlauber]Real quickly, (and I will post the "must-win" and clinching games later), Kareem shot .481 and .457 against Wilt in their two H2H playoff series (in seasons in which he shot .577 and .574.) Bellamy shot .421 in the 67-68 playoffs against Wilt, in a season in which he shot .541 from the floor.[/QUOTE]

I dont think anyone would be surprised that he dominated his opponents.
You almost say it like we should be surprised.

Back then there were very few Centers on par with Wilt and obviously he is one of the greatest Centers ever.

This is especially true when you just look at his size and athleticism... he was so far beyond anyone back then.

[QUOTE=32Dayz]I dont think anyone would be surprised that he dominated his opponents.
You almost say it like we should be surprised.

Back then there were very few Centers on par with Wilt and obviously he is one of the greatest Centers ever.

This is especially true when you just look at his size and athleticism... he was so far beyond anyone back then.[/QUOTE]

Chamberlain, in his prime, faced guys like 6-10 Russell (with his 7-4 wingspan and world-class leaping ability), 6-11 Nate Thurmond (who had a longer wingsan that Wilt's 7-8), and 6-11 Walt Bellamy. Keep in mind that those players were all measured in barefeet, and would be around 7-0 now. He also faced many other 6-11 and even some 7-0 footers (Mel Counts, Hank Finkle, 7-3 Swede Halbrook, Walter Dukes, and some others.)

Later in his career he more than held his own against 7-2 Kareem, 6-11 Bob Lanier, and even 7-2 Artis Gilmore (the two met in the 71-72 NBA-ABA all-star game.)

As I said...bellamy and a couple others. but most of the best bigmen wouldnt shoot that anyway. I believe Wilt set the all time record 3-4 times and it was like 52% and 54% and so on before it climed int othe 60s and 70s later. People didnt shoot 50% on a regular basis then. MVP bigmen might shoot 43%. just feels cheap talking about his opponents not shooting 50% when they shoot in the 30s and 40s anyway.

[QUOTE=jlauber]Chamberlain, in his prime, faced guys like 6-10 Russell (with his 7-4 wingspan and world-class leaping ability), 6-11 Nate Thurmond (who had a longer wingsan that Wilt's 7-8), and 6-11 Walt Bellamy. Keep in mind that those players were all measured in barefeet, and would be around 7-0 now. He also faced many other 6-11 and even some 7-0 footers (Mel Counts, Hank Finkle, 7-3 Swede Halbrook, Walter Dukes, and some others.)

Later in his career he more than held his own against 7-2 Kareem, 6-11 Bob Lanier, and even 7-2 Artis Gilmore (the two met in the 71-72 NBA-ABA all-star game.)[/QUOTE]

I dont think Wilts competition at his position was super-lative in his early years.

Russell was a great opponent as was Thurmond and obviously later on Kareem and Artis would be great opponents.

Still overall I dont think his competition really measured up to him and against most teams his advantage in skill and especially athleticism would be pronounced and huge.

He proved himself against great players though
(none better then Russell defensively) so it really didn't matter.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]As I said...bellamy and a couple others. but most of the best bigmen wouldnt shoot that anyway. I believe Wilt set the all time record 3-4 times and it was like 52% and 54% and so on before it climed int othe 60s and 70s later. People didnt shoot 50% on a regular basis then. MVP bigmen might shoot 43%. just feels cheap talking about his opponents not shooting 50% when they shoot in the 30s and 40s anyway.[/QUOTE]

Regardless, Wilt ROUTINELY held his opposing centers WAY below their normal FG%'s in his post-season career. Several by around 100 points, or more. I have already given you Wilt holding Kareem to .481 and .457 in seasons in which he shot .577 and .574; as well as Bellamy's .421 in a season in which he shot .541.

But, he held Kerr to .296 in one playoff series, in a season in which Kerr shot .392. He held Russell to .358 shooting in the '67 ECF's, in a season in which Russell shot .454. He also held Thurmond to .343 shooting the Finals that season, in a season in which Nate shot .437.

In fact, he outshot Thurmond, in their three playoff series, by margins of .500 to .392; .550 to .398; and .560 to .343.

The bottom line was that Chamberlain was DRAMATICALLY reducing his opposing centers efficiency in the post-season. Which is often over-looked in these discussions of Wilt's supposed "decline" in the post-season.

BTW, Julizaver, whose research has proven to be dead-on now that we have the boxscores of every NBA game...

claims that in Wilt's NINE game-seven's, Chamberlain averaged 24.4 ppg, 26.3 rpg, and shot, get this... .626 from the field, which is the highest among the all-time "greats."

Factor in Wilt's 56-35 game five of a best-of-series, and his 53-22 game three of a best-of-three series, and his scoring numbers would be at 29.9 ppg in his eleven "best-of-series" games, while he also would have averaged 26.6 rpg. True, his FG% would have dropped with a total shooting percentage of .511 in those two other elimination games, but he still would have been around 60%.

Think about that...in Wilt's 11 games in which it went down to the wire in the "best of" series (nine game seven's, and one game five of a best-of-five, and one game three of a best-of-three series), all Chamberlain could do was average 29.9 ppg , 26.6 rpg, and shoot about .600 (in leagues that shot about .440 on average in that span.)

Or nearly a 30-27 .600 average game in EVERY "must-win" "best-of" game.


Yep...that was Wilt the "choker."

You'd deliberately start a thread about Wilt just so you can continue posting your essays which nobody reads.... that's sad man, real sad. Wilt is universally accepted as top 1-5 player all time, get over it and start acting your age. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Asukal]You'd deliberately start a thread about Wilt just so you can continue posting your essays which nobody reads.... that's sad man, real sad. Wilt is universally accepted as top 1-5 player all time, get over it and start acting your age. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Whats the big deal.

It's not like the board is flooded with Wilt threads.

Not many people know as much about Wilt as Lauber so I dont mind him sharing his knowledge.

Dont be so butthurt.

[QUOTE=32Dayz]Whats the big deal.

It's not like the board is flooded with Wilt threads.

Not many people know as much about Wilt as Lauber so I dont mind him sharing his knowledge.

Dont be so butthurt.[/QUOTE]

He claims people disrespect Wilt and call him a loser and a choker which isn't true. He can't seem to understand people troll him just for the heck of it, and like a fish he bites the bait everytime. He is always insecure and has this abnormal need to defend him even when no one is attacking Wilt (remember he started this thread). Its just pathetic and sad a man his age would go to such lengths. :facepalm

What's his FT%

I remember Wilt Chamberlain in the 70s, after he retired he said a few times that the best basketball player he ever saw was Meadowlark Lemon in the 50s. Wilt played one game after he retired, and it was for Meadowlark's team the Bucketeers....

Meadowlark's comment from about 2003 or 04:
[url]http://blackpressusa.com/news/Article.asp?SID=4&Title=Departments&NewsID=8113[/url]

OBSERVER: I know you are a fan of the NBA. Name your all-time former NBA players and your favorite current NBA player?
"ML: Oh gosh, there are too many of them! You have the

[QUOTE=Asukal]You'd deliberately start a thread about Wilt just so you can continue posting your essays which nobody reads.... that's sad man, real sad. Wilt is universally accepted as top 1-5 player all time, get over it and start acting your age. :facepalm[/QUOTE]


There is still much misinformation spread about Wilt & it's refreshing to hear some facts about him from time to time instead of another Kobe thread.

Tim Legler just spread a ball face lie about Wilt dominating "6'7 guys" a few weeks back:facepalm

Wilt actually had a much smaller size advantage at Center than Magic at pg or even MJ/Drexler at SG especially during most of the 80's.

I believe centers have always averaged about 6'10 in this League, but People keep spreading that myth.

Keep in mind how much smaller the league was too. I mean when he came in there were 8 teams. That he "ONLY" faced 3 HoF centers during that time meant he played against one 3/7 nights. Imagine how much harder it would be in the league if the bottom 75% of the league evaporated. Those teams would be stacked and it would be so much harder to achieve statistical levels seen today.

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[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]Keep in mind how much smaller the league was too. I mean when he came in there were 8 teams. That he "ONLY" faced 3 HoF centers during that time meant he played against one 3/7 nights. Imagine how much harder it would be in the league if the bottom 75% of the league evaporated. Those teams would be stacked and it would be so much harder to achieve statistical levels seen today.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

But I wasn't trying to change the subject of this thread(Wilt in close out games) but simply show how much misinformation there is.


Wilt did have to play HOF guys like Russell, Bellamy, Nate Thurmond,etc... As many as 7 or 8 times in the regular season alone. Not many off nights.

Buddy, nobody on this board has ever seen Wilt play or gives a damn.

[QUOTE=The_Yearning]Buddy, nobody on this board has ever seen Wilt play or gives a damn.[/QUOTE]

The guy himself never saw Wilt play either. He found his love for Wilt just a couple of years ago and he's like 56 years old.

He used to post stuff about the modern era players being better, that Wilt faced weak competition and that the player modern era players are more athletic but then he got insecure and went all troll regarding Wilt.

He claims he remembers 40+ year old games but still the old fart changed his mind COMPLETELY about Wilt and his era just some years ago over some youtube-clips, quotes and reports..:facepalm

[QUOTE=The_Yearning]Buddy, nobody on this board has ever seen Wilt play or gives a damn.[/QUOTE]

Seems like some of the best posters on this board cared & had thoughtful posts.

If you & your loser buddies don't care why bother posting?:confusedshrug:

I would like to learn more facts about Wilt instead of misinformation.

[QUOTE=32jazz]Seems like some of the best posters on this board cared & had thoughtful posts.

If you & your loser buddies don't care why bother posting?:confusedshrug:

I would like to learn more facts about Wilt instead of misinformation.[/QUOTE]

Then go and learn from someone who actually saw Wilt play and not some old fart who later in life got some fetisch about Wilt.

And he's the last guy you should listen to if you don't like to get misinformed..

[QUOTE=millwad]The guy himself never saw Wilt play either. He found his love for Wilt just a couple of years ago and he's like 56 years old.

He used to post stuff about the modern era players being better, that Wilt faced weak competition and that the player modern era players are more athletic but then he got insecure and went all troll regarding Wilt.

He claims he remembers 40+ year old games but still the old fart changed his mind COMPLETELY about Wilt and his era just some years ago over some youtube-clips, quotes and reports..:facepalm[/QUOTE]

This coming from the same CLOWN who OBVIOUSLY NEVER saw Hakeem play. The same Dickwad who claimed that Hakeem never guarded Kareem in Kareem's MULTIPLE 40+ point games (at age 38 BTW...when he could barely get 6 rpg.)

The same idiot who argued that Barkley did NOT outrebound Hakeem by FOUR rpg in the 96-97 season.

Yep...the same pathetic moron who who can't remember anything from 15 years ago...

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]What's his FT%[/QUOTE]

Look it up. And while you are at, take a look at the HUGE margin in BOTH FTAs and FTs MADE that Wilt had over his opposing centers, AND, the MASSIVE margin that his TEAM's had in both in the post-season.

Chamberlain CRIPPLED opposing players and teams in the post-season from the line.

In any case, you have read my posts on his post-seasons thru the '64-65 season. Please give us your take. Keep in mind that Wilt joined a LAST PLACE team in his rookie season, played with arguably the worst rosters in NBA history in 62-63 thru the first half of the '64-65 season...AND, those surrounding players then played WORSE in the post-season. And yet, Wilt took two of those rosters to game seven losses, by margins of two and one point, against the HOF-laden Celtics. And, he took a roster that couldn't beat some scrubs in a pre-season scrimmage (without Wilt, of course) to the Finals in the '64 season.

[QUOTE=jlauber]This coming from the same CLOWN who OBVIOUSLY NEVER saw Hakeem play. The same Dickwad who claimed that Hakeem never guarded Kareem in Kareem's MULTIPLE 40+ point games (at age 38 BTW...when he could barely get 6 rpg.)

The same idiot who argued that Barkley did NOT outrebound Hakeem by FOUR rpg in the 96-97 season.

Yep...the same pathetic moron who who can't remember anything from 15 years ago...[/QUOTE]

Haha, what an idiot. How can you be so happy over the fact that I missed out on 2-3 games from Akeem's rookie and 2nd year as a pro season. In games that didn't matter.

And you're still the same idiot who can't read, I mixed up years regarding Barkley outrebounding Hakeem in '97. And both things are things I made clear I was wrong about. And there's a fine line between you and me, I am a FAN but you're just obsessed.. And I have still seen way more Hakeem games then you've seen Wilt games, youtube-boy.

By the way, do you remember that list you tried to make up with all the big guys Wilt faced during his career? The self-proclaimed Wilt historian is so full of crap that he even put up players Wilt never faced in his career([B]ABA-players, players who still was in college and other ABA-players who never even played NBA games[/B]). It later came to light that Jlauber had copied that list, like everything else he calls "knowledge"..:facepalm

You've been exposed so many times, Jlauber. All you do is google your info, you didn't even have the same opinions you have regarding Wilt just a few years ago. More then 40+ years the actual games took part, you changed your mind over youtube, google and quotes..

You're discussing games you only know about thanks to google and books more then 40 years after actual games were played.. And fact still remains that you changed your mind about Wilt and his era due youtube and google.. :facepalm

lebron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wilt

[QUOTE=32jazz]Exactly.

But I wasn't trying to change the subject of this thread(Wilt in close out games) but simply show how much misinformation there is.


Wilt did have to play HOF guys like Russell, Bellamy, Nate Thurmond,etc... As many as 7 or 8 times in the regular season alone. Not many off nights.[/QUOTE]

In the 59-60 season, Chamberlain and Russell faced off 11 times in the regular season, and then again six more times in the post-season. And, had they each not missed a game during the regular season, they would have met 13 times.

The two went at it 13 times in the 60-61 regular season.

In the 61-62 season, they battled 10 times in the regular season (and had Russell not missed two games, it would have been 12.) Then they went to a game seven in the ECF's.

In the 64-65 season, they met 11 times in the regular season, and then another seven times in the ECF's.



BTW, in Chamberlain's 65-66 season, he met Thurmond in nine games (Nate missed one), Bellamy in ten games, and Russell in ten reguar season games (and five more in the playoffs.)

Incidently, Wilt averaged 28.3 ppg against Russell, 28.9 ppg against Thurmond, and 33.0 ppg against Bellamy. Including his last game of the '65 season against Nate, in which he scored 34 points, he averaged 29.4 ppg against Thurmond in ten straight games...including two of 33, one of 34, one of 38, and a staggering 45 point game against him (outscoring him by a 45-13 margin.)

Against Bellamy he had games of 34, 34, 35, 37, 38, and 50. He battered Russell with four games of 30+ in the regular season, with a high game of 37, and then pounded him with a 46 point game in the clinching game five loss of the ECF's. In those 28 regular season games against Thurmond, Bellamy, and Russell, he was outscored in TWO games (and then Russell managed to outscore him in one playoff game.) And in MANY of them, he just BURIED those guys.

Domination? In Wilt's 64-65 season, he faced HOFer Willis Reed in nine games, and had games of 29, 30, 36, 37, 37, 41, 41, 52, and 58 points. Or 40 ppg in an entire SEASON against him.

How about Wilt's 62-63 season against Bellamy? He averaged 43.7 ppg against him in their ten regular season games.

It was even worse in the 61-62 season, when he averaged an eye-popping 52.7 ppg against Bellamy in their ten regular season games!

Of course, Chamberlain had two entire seasons of averaging 38 ppg against Russell, as well as another at 35.5 ppg.

Continuing...

[B]65-66[/B]. [B]In the clinching game five loss of the ECF's, Wilt outscored Russell, 46-18, and outrebounded him, 34-31. He also shot 19-34 from the floor (albeit, only 8-25 from the line.) [/B]

Comments: During the regular season, Chamberlain led the NBA in scoring, at 33.5 ppg; in rebounding, at 24.6 rpg; averaged 5.2 apg; and set a then-record .540 FG% mark that he would shatter the very next season. All while leading his Sixers to the best record in the league, at 55-25 (edging the seven-time defending champion Celtics, who finished 54-26.)

Interesting too, was the fact that Wilt averaged 28.3 ppg and 30.7 rpg against Russell during the regular season (Russell was at 11.7 ppg and 22.8 rpg.) In the ECF's, Chamberlain averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, and shot .509 from the field against Russell and the Celtics (Russell scored 14.0 ppg and grabbed 26.2 rpg.) So, Chamberlain played almost the exact same way as he did during the regular season...and yet...his Sixers were stomped, 4-1. What changed? How about the fact that Chamberlain's teammates collectively shot .352 from the floor?


[B]66-67[/B]. [B]In the game four clinching win over the Royals in the first round of the playoffs, Wilt played arguably his worst game of that series. He scored 18 points, on 7-14 shooting, with 27 rebounds, and 9 assists. His opposing center, Connie Dierking, scored 8 points, on 4-14 shooting, with 4 rebounds.[/B]

Comments: In that first round of the playoffs, Wilt averaged 28 ppg, 26.5 rpg, 11.0 apg (yes, a triple double series), on .612 shooting. In the first game of the series, Chamberlain poured in 41 points (which was Philly's post-season high game that year), on 19-30 shooting, with 22 rebounds. In game two, Wilt hung a 37 point game, on 16-24 shooting, with 27 rebounds. And in game three, Wilt put up a 16-30-19 triple double game (the 19 assists were a playoff record at the time.) Oh, and how did Chamberlain's opposing center perform in that series? Dierking averaged 17.5 ppg, 13.0 rpg, 3.5 apg, and shot .427 from the floor.

[B]ECF's. In the clinching game five win, Chamberlain outscored Russell, 29-4; outshot Russell from the floor, 10-16 to 2-5; outassisted Russell, 13-7; and outrebounded Russell, by a staggering 36-21 margin. And Wilt also blocked seven shots, as well.[/B]

Comments: Wilt just crushed Russell in every facet of the game in that series. He outscored Russell, per game, 21.6 to 10.2 ppg. He outrebounded Russell by a whopping 32.0 rpg to 23.4 rpg margin. He outassisted Russell, per game, 10.0 apg to 6.0 apg (yes, another triple double series.) And he outshot Russell by a .556 to .358 margin. In game one of the series, Chamberlain hung a quad-double of 24-32-13-12. And in game three, Wilt set a post-season record by grabbing 41 rebounds (Russell had 29.)


[B]Finals. In the clinching game six win, Chamberlain outscored Thurmond, 24-12; outrtebounded Nate, 24-23; and outshot Thurmond from the floor, 8-13 to 4-13. And, in the waning seconds, with the Sixers leading by one point, Chamberlain jumped out on Rick Barry, who was then going to pass to Thurmond, but Wilt quickly adjusted, and Barry had to fling up a hopeless shot, and the Sixers went on to win 125-122.[/B]

Comments: Wilt outscored Thurmond, per game, 17.5 ppg to 14.3 ppg. He outrebounded Nate, per game, 28.5 rpg to 26.7 rpg (and he outrebounded Thurmond in five of the six games, including one game by a 38-31 margin.) And, amazingly, he outshot Thurmond by a .560 to .343 margin.

For the entire post-season in that 66-67 season, Wilt averaged 21.7 ppg, 29.1 rpg, 9.2 apg, and shot .579 from the field.


To be continued...

Don't you ever get tired of writing all those essays while not getting any response because no one reads them? Or do you just google them like everything else you put up, google boy?

[QUOTE=millwad]Don't you ever get tired of writing all those essays while not getting any response [B]because no one reads them[/B]? Or do you just google them like everything else you put up, google boy?[/QUOTE]

Not true. I KNOW that YOU do. I can count on that.

Millwad has no life, he reads long essays about Wilt and then rages about them.

:lol

I love readin about the old school hoping to see the game ender information soon!!
I can remember him dropping finger rolls at the end of games as a Laker but not to talk about a specific game though and not so sure they were so-called game winners.... Russell when he was doing color in the 70s talked about game winners his view was considerably different from today

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]I love readin about the old school hoping to see the game ender information soon!!
I can remember him dropping finger rolls at the end of games as a Laker but not to talk about a specific game though and not so sure they were so-called game winners.... Russell when he was doing color in the 70s talked about game winners his view was considerably different from today[/QUOTE]

Well, from what has been posted here recently, Chamberlain had up to 15 actual game-winning shots, which would put him behind only Kareem, of the great centers, all-time. And Kareem played six seasons longer than Chamberlain did.

These "choker" MYTHS, perpetrated by the likes of the ignorant Bill Simmons, have just been blown to bits. And once again, the "Wilt-bashers" NEVER bring up the performances of Chamberlain's OPPOSING centers in Wilt's post-season play. Wilt generally DOMINATED his opposition in the playoffs, ESPECIALLY in BIG "must-win" games.

[QUOTE=32Dayz]Millwad has no life, he reads long essays about Wilt and then rages about them.

:lol[/QUOTE]

Haha, it's so lame that you say that I don't have a life when you post like 20 times more than me per day and that you in just a few months put up more posts then what I've done in 5 years.

You need to grow up, Brian.

[QUOTE=millwad]Haha, it's so lame that you say that I don't have a life when you post like 20 times more than me per day and that you in just a few months put up more posts then what I've done in 5 years.

You need to grow up, Brian.[/QUOTE]

Are you joking?

You write a fake story about me and photoshop 1000 different pictures with some googled Asian kids face and you tell me to grow up?

Sorry but you cant do sh** like that and then pretend to be mature and give me advice.

:facepalm

[img]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/369777_1456960650_1039750673_n.jpg[/img]

[I]Add me on facebook pls man[/I]

Wilt's numbers will always look good, because that's what he cared for. He was an individual at first, team player second to the half of his career. It's no surprise his biggest team success came in the second part of his career when he was playing for the team.

He's got a legit case for GOAT. Now, is it better than the other candidates for the GOAT honor? IMO, not when compared to few guys. That's it.

[QUOTE=32Dayz]Are you joking?

You write a fake story about me and photoshop 1000 different pictures with some googled Asian kids face and you tell me to grow up?

Sorry but you cant do sh** like that and then pretend to be mature and give me advice.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Haha, Brian.
I haven't photoshopped your pic even once, I have just posted your picture from the facebook-link you messaged me. Back then you weren't a troll and you begged me to add you on facebook you lonely kid. Mr "I just have internetfriends" and lets not forget that you have like 5 ISH accounts you lame lonely kid.

[QUOTE=millwad]Haha, Brian.
I haven't photoshopped your pic even once, I have just posted your picture from the facebook-link you messaged me. Back then you weren't a troll and you begged me to add you on facebook you lonely kid.[/QUOTE]

I have never once pm'd you or tried to talk to you outside of us arguing about Kobe or Wilt inside the forum in threads.

Any evidence that I tried to contact you, or PM you?
Any actual evidence that the person in the picture is me besides a madeup story you wrote?

No one believes you except for certain Trolls who use the picture to try and upset me although I dont understand why you think a picture of a random googled Asian kid would upset me.

Anyway keep being your same stupid self you'll never change, or make friends, or not be obese.

You're a failure in life and on this forum.

:lol