[B][SIZE="3"]Wilton Norman Chamberlain[/SIZE]
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[B][SIZE="3"]Wilton Norman Chamberlain[/SIZE]
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gotta admit i lold at not posting at any stats whatsoever
good stuff
Nice how to post Kobe's overrated all-defensive teams, given that the award wasn't even around in Wilt's time....NICE
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum][B][SIZE="3"]Wilton Norman Chamberlain[/SIZE]
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Wilt. Not debatable at all.
/thread
Wilt dominated in such a way that will never be duplicated...Wilt by default.
[QUOTE=Scholar]How is that even possible? :wtf:
From my knowledge, 31419 > 28601[/QUOTE]
my bad, I meant 4th
[QUOTE=RRR3]Wilt. Not debatable at all.
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:confusedshrug:
How is it not debatable?
[QUOTE=bwink23]Wilt dominated in such a way that will never be duplicated...Wilt by default.[/QUOTE]
name me another 7 footer who played in the 60s
name me another player who weighed over 250 pounds in the 60's
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]:confusedshrug:
How is it not debatable?[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
OP, put the playoffs and NBA Finals stats too.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]:confusedshrug:
How is it not debatable?[/QUOTE]
Sure it can be a debate, but I doubt anybody is taking Kobe over Wilt (I'm going to stay neutral on this).
jlauber's also going to tell you every reason why too.
Meh, give me Kobe.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]name me another 7 footer who played in the 60s
name me another player who weighed over 250 pounds in the 60's[/QUOTE]
Just off the top of my head...Swede Habrook was 7-3. Mel Counts, Hank Finkle, Walter Dukes, Tom Boerwinkle were all 7-0. 7-2 Kareem played in 1969.
Boerwinkle, Luke Jackson, Wayne Embry were all over 250 lbs.
BTW, players were measured in barefeet in the 60's and 70's. So the MANY of them that were 6-11 (Bellamy and Thurmond among them) would have been measured, and listed, at over 7-0 in TODAY's NBA.
BTW, Kareem faced many of the same centers that a PRIME Chamberlain did, and never came CLOSE to matching a prime Chamberlain's domination of those same players.
[QUOTE=SuperPippen]Meh, give me Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Proven wrong. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=SuperPippen]Meh, give me Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Wtf
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]OP, put the playoffs and NBA Finals stats too.[/QUOTE]
A PRIME Chamberlain destroys Kobe in these categories, as well. Same in BIG GAMES.
[QUOTE=jlauber]A PRIME Chamberlain destroys Kobe in these categories, as well. Same in BIG GAMES.[/QUOTE]
PACE PACE PACE!!!
BTW Kobe 5 rings, Wilt 2 rings
I respect Wilt and his dominance and all of his accolades and records and everything. I really do. He's a legend.
But, I guess I just respect Kobe a little bit more.
[QUOTE=RRR3]:facepalm[/QUOTE]
great argument
[QUOTE=jlauber]Just off the top of my head...[B]Swede Habrook was 7-3. Mel Counts, Hank Finkle, Walter Dukes, Tom Boerwinkle were all 7-0.[/B] 7-2 Kareem played in 1969.
[B]Boerwinkle, Luke Jackson, Wayne Embry were all over 250 lbs. [/B]
BTW, players were measured in barefeet in the 60's and 70's. So the MANY of them that were 6-11 (Bellamy and Thurmond among them) would have been measured, and listed, at over 7-0 in TODAY's NBA.
BTW, Kareem faced many of the same centers that a PRIME Chamberlain did, and never came CLOSE to matching a prime Chamberlain's domination of those same players.[/QUOTE]
they all sucked, great opposition...
Wilt
100 > 81
Don't get too excited about his rebounding
Wilt's Rebounding % from '71-'73 was 19.4
Dwight Howard averages a 21.0 rebounding % in his career
andrew bynum > wilt
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Wilt
100 > 81[/QUOTE]
again...PACE
100vs81
Wilt - 100/169 team points = 59.2% of team points scored
Kobe - 81/122 team points = 66.4% of team points scored
[QUOTE=SuperPippen]I respect Wilt and his dominance and all of his accolades and records and everything. I really do. He's a legend.
But, I guess I just respect Kobe a little bit more.[/QUOTE]
Putting wilt below Kobe is direspecting wilt. Period. And Kobe is a top 8-12 player ever. But wilt is easily top 5 top 3 IMO and one of the few with a case for goat. He proved e could change his game
Too he became more like Russell later in his career and won by being a team player. And of course he could be insanely dominant individually.
[QUOTE=RRR3]Putting wilt below Kobe is direspecting wilt. Period. And Kobe is a top 8-12 player ever. But wilt is easily top 5 top 3 IMO and one of the few with a case for goat. He proved e could change his game
Too he became more like Russell later in his career and won by being a team player. And of course he could be insanely dominant individually.[/QUOTE]
he got outringed by 9 by his rival Russell
MJ, Russell, Kareem,and Magic have a case for GOAT
[QUOTE=RRR3]Putting wilt below Kobe is direspecting wilt. Period. And Kobe is a top 8-12 player ever. But wilt is easily top 5 top 3 IMO and one of the few with a case for goat. He proved e could change his game
Too he became more like Russell later in his career and won by being a team player. And of course he could be insanely dominant individually.[/QUOTE]
I agree with most of what you said, except he has no case for GOAT to me.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]he got outringed by 9 by his rival Russell
MJ, Russell, Kareem,and Magic have a case for GOAT[/QUOTE]
He outplayed Russell quite often. Team game don't give me that craap. It's not like wilt wasn't a winner either he proved he was later in his career when he became a team player
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]I agree with most of what you said, except he has no case for GOAT to me.[/QUOTE]
Bollocks. Wilt is incredibly underrated these days. We can thank idiots like skip bayless for that. :facepalm
[QUOTE=RRR3]He outplayed Russell quite often. Team game don't give me that craap. It's not like wilt wasn't a winner either he proved he was later in his career when he became a team player[/QUOTE]
NINE more rings
not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4....not 8 but NINE
rings matter A LOT :wtf: you smoking
[QUOTE=RRR3]Bollocks. Wilt is incredibly underrated these days. We can thank idiots like skip bayless for that. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
So what's the case ?
I don't listen to Bayless at all, but he doesn't have the best case to me.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]NINE more rings
not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4....not 8 but NINE
rings matter A LOT :wtf: you smoking[/QUOTE]
So is Russell better than mj too?
Note: anyone about to freak out notice I didn't use the horry argument so please stfu
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]So what's the case ?
I don't listen to Bayless at all, but he doesn't have the best case to me.[/QUOTE]
He dominated his era like few others in any sport from an individual standpoint he was a fantastic two-way player and he was capable of playing different roles I order to win. Iirc russell said wilt on the lakers played his role better than he ever had. High praise and Russell being as competitive as he is wouldn't just say that IMO.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]Don't get too excited about his rebounding
Wilt's Rebounding % from '71-'73 was 19.4
Dwight Howard averages a 21.0 rebounding % in his career[/QUOTE]
How many post-seasons did Howard grab over 40% of his team's rebounds, and as many as 47% of them.
How many rebounding titles did Howard win?
How many rebounding titles did Howard win by 5 rpg?
How many playoff series did Howard outrebound the second best rebounder in the league by 9 rpg?
How many games did Howard outrebound the second best rebounder in the league by a 55-19 margin?
I could go on, but Chamberlain was THE most dominant rebounder of all-time, AND, he ELEVATED his rebounding in the POST-SEASON.
[QUOTE=RRR3][B]So is Russell better than mj too?[/B]
Note: anyone about to freak out notice I didn't use the horry argument so please stfu[/QUOTE]
I've seen Russell been considered the GOAT many times on people's lists.
In 1980 when they selected the 35th Anniversary team, Russell was voted the greatest player ever.
Sure, Jordan comes up a lot, but I can see why they pick Russell over MJ.
[QUOTE=RRR3]So is Russell better than mj too?
Note: anyone about to freak out notice I didn't use the horry argument so please stfu[/QUOTE]
they didnt play in the same era
and horry never made an all nba 1st team or 2nd team so save the nonsense
[QUOTE=RRR3]He dominated his era like few others in any sport from an individual standpoint he was a fantastic two-way player and he was capable of playing different roles I order to win. Iirc russell said wilt on the lakers played his role better than he ever had. High praise and Russell being as competitive as he is wouldn't just say that IMO.[/QUOTE]
Fair points, noted.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]they didnt play in the same era
and horry never made an all nba 1st team or 2nd team so save the nonsense[/QUOTE]
He said he didn't use the arguement, dude.
He used Russell, who is one of the few to me has a case for GOAT.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]they didnt play in the same era
and horry never made an all nba 1st team or 2nd team so save the nonsense[/QUOTE]
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