And then Pippen did this...

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I just wish he could've had five years leading the bulls. There's no doubt he wins an mvp and dpoy. While leading a team to a championship

But the tradeoff would've beeen the bulls not being nearly as dominant

and then he takes himself out of a game at the end :lol so much for being a leader :lol

LeBron would have passed it to Kukoc.

:D

...because he is unselfish like that.

[QUOTE=imdaman99]and then he takes himself out of a game at the end :lol so much for being a leader :lol[/QUOTE]

Great point! Pip is no doubt a top GOAT SF and a revolutionary player. In many ways he combined the athletic ability of Dr. J with the great all around ability of Hondo. The only difference is he never proved to be an alpha dog type like J or Hondo. If Pip would have showed that ability more often, I feel he would be a top 15 player of all time. Because dude had six rings, a couple of gold medals, redefined his position, and is arguably the greatest perimeter defender of all time. What stopped Pip from being a top 15 player was the alpha dog gene. He had so much going for him that he could have been ranked higher on the GOAT charts if he showed that more.

:applause:

pippen on ewing was better than jordan on ewing:rockon:

[QUOTE=97 bulls]I just wish he could've had five years leading the bulls. There's no doubt he wins an mvp and dpoy. While leading a team to a championship[/QUOTE]

He couldn't lead the Blazers with a 15 point lead in the 4th :facepalm

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]He couldn't lead the Blazers with a 15 point lead in the 4th :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Great point! Once again it shows that Pip lacked that alpha dog gene. Bron catches heat for alpha dog shit. But Bron completely dominates a game from the start. It's just in the waning moments where he might not be on the level of a Kobe, Bird, MJ, or Magic perimeter wise. But Bron still in my book qualifies as an alpha dog. That series against the Pistons back in the day and gettin that Cavs team to the Finals proved that. Pip was never even on Bron's level in alpha dog type shit.

[QUOTE=Jotaro Durant]pippen on ewing was better than jordan on ewing:rockon:[/QUOTE]

Yea Cause Pippen taller longer wingspan, Erwing was older and he didn't even jump that make sense :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=bizil]Great point! Pip is no doubt a top GOAT SF and a revolutionary player. In many ways he combined the athletic ability of Dr. J with the great all around ability of Hondo. The only difference is he never proved to be an alpha dog type like J or Hondo. If Pip would have showed that ability more often, I feel he would be a top 15 player of all time. Because dude had six rings, a couple of gold medals, redefined his position, and is arguably the greatest perimeter defender of all time. What stopped Pip from being a top 15 player was the alpha dog gene. He had so much going for him that he could have been ranked higher on the GOAT charts if he showed that more.[/QUOTE]

Haha really?

Let's not forget he can't shoot worth a damn (or doing anything of much use without Jordan by his side) at the perimeter could be a slight problem.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Haha really?

Let's not forget he can't shoot worth a damn (or doing anything of much use without Jordan by his side) at the perimeter could be a slight problem.[/QUOTE]

There's truth in your words, Pippen wasnt the best shooter. His 3 point shot was not consistent enough, but he had a good mid range jumper along with plenty of finishing moves around the basket.

But stating he could not do anything of use without Jordan is just plain delusional, and shows extreme bias IMO.

Question: Do you have to be a leader or alpha dog to be considered a better player than some other greatest players who [I]were [/I]alpha dogs? I dont think so.

Pete Myers :roll:

[QUOTE=305Baller][IMG]http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/693172_o.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I was there for this one.

[QUOTE=abraxas666]There's truth in your words, Pippen wasnt the best shooter. His 3 point shot was not consistent enough, but he had a good mid range jumper along with plenty of finishing moves around the basket.

But stating he could not do anything of use without Jordan is just plain delusional, and shows extreme bias IMO.[/QUOTE]

Well considering he didn't do much after Jordan retired shows some truth to my statement.

Pippen is just another Trevor Ariza lucky enough to play off of Jordan.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Well considering he didn't do much after Jordan retired shows some truth to my statement.

[b]Pippen is just another Trevor Ariza lucky enough to play off of Jordan.[/b][/QUOTE]

Honest question.

Are you a ****ing idiot?

I don't like this whole argument about how Pippen is not alpha enough to lead a team.

That's just an excuse for him not being good enough. He doesn't create shots well, can't run the offense like a true point guard, his post moves are questionable, and his spot up shots aren't worth a damn.

I would be pretty insecure too if I had that many flaws in my offense. Trust me, Pippen wanted to be alpha, especially when he went all cry baby over that Kukoc shot, but his abilities, or lack thereof, makes him nothing more than Jordan's sidekick b*atch.

[QUOTE=dak121]Honest question.

Are you a ****ing idiot?[/QUOTE]

What?

It's an honest observation.

I have never seen a so call "star" ride the balls of another player that much before. At least Kobe had his 2 championship rings to show for and Malone was at least a bit productive when Stockton retired.

Pippen just did a 360 degree Lamar Odom crash dive when he does not have Jordan clenching his small hairy balls (prob lopsided too which explains his horrible slanted release)

How anyone can call him a true star is beyond me.

[quote]I just wish he could've had five years leading the bulls. There's no doubt he wins an mvp and dpoy. While leading a team to a championship[/quote]

There's plenty of doubt rather he would have even been an all star if he hadn't been traded to the Bulls.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]There's plenty of doubt [B]rather[/B] he would have even been an all star if he hadn't been traded to the Bulls.[/QUOTE]Whether.

My bad for comparing him to Ariza.

Ariza is a much better perimeter shooter.

Lol what a bunch of dumbasses. Especially bizil. Im sorry biz. But I've shown you instances of pippen taking over games and you just want to overlook that. Its not
pippens fault that his to prime coincided with jordan. And thus didn't have a fair enough opportunity to like magic or kobe. What's more, only on insidehoops could a player that won 6the championships two gold medals, has the second highest all-time win percentage, regarded as the best wing defender ever, I could go on and on, be penalized for not avg 25 ppg.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]There's plenty of doubt rather he would have even been an all star if he hadn't been traded to the Bulls.[/QUOTE]
Nope

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Well considering he didn't do much after Jordan retired shows some truth to my statement.

Pippen is just another Trevor Ariza lucky enough to play off of Jordan.[/QUOTE]
He was 33. Jesus Christ

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]He couldn't lead the Blazers with a 15 point lead in the 4th :facepalm[/QUOTE]
He led the bulls back from a 15 point lead in game 6 of 92 with jordan on the bench.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]He led the bulls back from a 15 point lead in game 6 of 92 with jordan on the bench.[/QUOTE]

Yeah--that 15 point fourth quarter comeback involving the Blazers is conveniently ignored by Pippen's detractors. Regarding 2000, he was 34, his 98' finals injury made him a vastly inferior player and he injured his hand in Game 5, which caused his shot to be off the rest of the series. (before that he torched the Lakers early in Game 5 to set the tone to keep Portland alive) The idea that it was prime Pippen on the 2000 Blazers is absurd.

Regarding leadership, everyone involved with the Bulls--especially his teammates (Bill Wennington said he would draft Pippen over anyone in history because of how great a teammate he was, Kerr picked him second in TNT's all-time draft partly due to this as well)--note how much of a leader he was. Whenever they needed inspiration or support it was Pippen who Bulls players turned to. To equate scoring with leadership is ridiculous. It is funny how the leading scorer is almost always presumed to be the team leader, as if there is a correlation between leadership skills and the ability to put a ball through a basket.

The Jordan argument is laughable. Pippen was #1 in all-NBA and #1 in all-defensive and #3 in MVP voting in his only full prime season without MJ and the Bulls finished only 2 games out of the top seed in the East despite having a CBA (D-League) scrub at SG. Had he not been hurt during the first 10 games the Bulls likely would have won the #1 seed and Pippen would have been #1 or #2 in MVP voting.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]I just wish he could've had five years leading the bulls. There's no doubt he wins an mvp and dpoy. While leading a team to a championship[/QUOTE]


Yeah....cuz he was well on his way to that after 1994 when they were 34-31, or when he went to Rockets and stacked Blazer team that failed. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Yeah--that 15 point fourth quarter comeback involving the Blazers is conveniently ignored by Pippen's detractors. Regarding 2000, he was 34, his 98' finals injury made him a vastly inferior player and he injured his hand in Game 5, which caused his shot to be off the rest of the series. (before that he torched the Lakers early in Game 5 to set the tone to keep Portland alive) The idea that it was prime Pippen on the 2000 Blazers is absurd.

Regarding leadership, everyone involved with the Bulls--especially his teammates (Bill Wennington said he would draft Pippen over anyone in history because of how great a teammate he was, Kerr picked him second in TNT's all-time draft partly due to this as well)--note how much of a leader he was. Whenever they needed inspiration or support it was Pippen who Bulls players turned to. To equate scoring with leadership is ridiculous. It is funny how the leading scorer is almost always presumed to be the team leader, as if there is a correlation between leadership skills and the ability to put a ball through a basket.

The Jordan argument is laughable. Pippen was #1 in all-NBA and #1 in all-defensive and #3 in MVP voting in his only full prime season without MJ and the Bulls finished only 2 games out of the top seed in the East despite having a CBA (D-League) scrub at SG. Had he not been hurt during the first 10 games the Bulls likely would have won the #1 seed and Pippen would have been #1 or #2 in MVP voting.[/QUOTE]
Nice post rock. The probleem is these guys have a clear agenda. What makes it worse is how hypocritical some of these posters are. Especially bizil

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Yeah--that 15 point fourth quarter comeback involving the Blazers is conveniently ignored by Pippen's detractors. Regarding 2000, he was 34, his 98' finals injury made him a vastly inferior player and he injured his hand in Game 5, which caused his shot to be off the rest of the series. (before that he torched the Lakers early in Game 5 to set the tone to keep Portland alive) The idea that it was prime Pippen on the 2000 Blazers is absurd.

Regarding leadership, everyone involved with the Bulls--especially his teammates (Bill Wennington said he would draft Pippen over anyone in history because of how great a teammate he was, Kerr picked him second in TNT's all-time draft partly due to this as well)--note how much of a leader he was. Whenever they needed inspiration or support it was Pippen who Bulls players turned to. To equate scoring with leadership is ridiculous. It is funny how the leading scorer is almost always presumed to be the team leader, as if there is a correlation between leadership skills and the ability to put a ball through a basket.

The Jordan argument is laughable. Pippen was #1 in all-NBA and #1 in all-defensive and #3 in MVP voting in his only full prime season without MJ and the Bulls finished only 2 games out of the top seed in the East despite having a CBA (D-League) scrub at SG. Had he not been hurt during the first 10 games the Bulls likely would have won the #1 seed and Pippen would have been #1 or #2 in MVP voting.[/QUOTE]


that 1994 team had 11-12 solid role players who had a hand in 2 separate 3-peat championship teams. :no:

How fitting to act like the Bulls were the same team from one year prior by just stating "they added a CBA scrub", even though Myers was an excellent defender....with additions of Kukoc (4 game winners that year), Steve Kerr, Bill Wennington, and Luc Longley, all part of the second 3-peat team.

You overrate Pippen as hell...he was a great 2-man, probably the best 2 man, but a #1 man he is not. :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=bwink23]Yeah....cuz he was well on his way to that after 1994 when they were 34-31, or when he went to Rockets and stacked Blazer team that failed. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
The rocket were old. By the time he went to the blazers, he was almost 35. Come on.

We both are jordan fans Wink. I've seen you give jordan a pass for not winning pre 90s due to lack of talent. Why hold pippen to a different standard?

[QUOTE=97 bulls]The rocket were old. By the time he went to the blazers, he was almost 35. Come on.

We both are jordan fans Wink. I've seen you give jordan a pass for not winning pre 90s due to lack of talent. Why hold pippen to a different standard?[/QUOTE]


Pippen never played with a lack of talent....:facepalm

[QUOTE=bwink23]Pippen never played with a lack of talent....:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Lol when as a perimeter player you have to lead your team in every. Statistical catgory to stay afloat and run the offense, and take on the toughest defensive assignments. That's a clear indication your team overall lacks talent.

[QUOTE=bwink23]that 1994 team had 11-12 solid role players who had a hand in 2 separate 3-peat championship teams. :no:

How fitting to act like the Bulls were the same team from one year prior by just stating "they added a CBA scrub", even though Myers was an excellent defender....with additions of Kukoc (4 game winners that year), Steve Kerr, Bill Wennington, and Luc Longley, all part of the second 3-peat team.

You overrate Pippen as hell...he was a great 2-man, probably the best 2 man, but a #1 man he is not. :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Then its clear jordan isn't nearly as great as you feel. How else can you take the stance that the bulls should've still won without jordan.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]Lol when as a perimeter player you have to lead your team in every. Statistical catgory to stay afloat and run the offense, and take on the toughest defensive assignments. That's a clear indication your team overall lacks talent.[/QUOTE]


Actually, Pippen statistically was significantly not much better than he was in 1992 or 1993. That's an indication that he has teammates filling in the holes as well...Pippen wasn't filling those holes by himself.....like i already stated....count the rings on all the role player's fingers that were on the 1994 team and get back to me about "lack of talent."

A 3-peat championship team with the additions they made doesn't just disappear without Jordan or become "lack of talent." Don't forget about Pippen sitting down in a crucial playoff game, that's inexcusable.

[QUOTE=97 bulls][B]Then its clear jordan isn't nearly as great as you feel.[/B] How else can you take the stance that the bulls should've still won without jordan.[/QUOTE]



That doesn't even merit a response.....:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=bwink23]That doesn't even merit a response.....:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Lol but you just stated that you feel they should've won in 94. That the only difference between the 93 bulls and 94 bulls was jordan. And then make it seem as if the 94 bulls may even be better than 93 cuz 94 had kukoc. What am I missing? It saying the bulls won in spite of jordan being there. Not cuz of jordan.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]Then its clear jordan isn't nearly as great as you feel. How else can you take the stance that the bulls should've still won without jordan.[/QUOTE]


nd now for the next installment of the "silly argument that we're having because Scottie Pippen said something." If you missed it or tried to make yourself forget, Pippen said that LeBron James may be a better overall basketball player than Michael Jordan. As a result, there was quite a bit of harumphing and yelling.

LeBron accepted the compliment from Pippen but ultimately disagreed. [B]Well, add in former Chicago teammate Horace Grant as someone that doesn't agree with Pippen[/B]. Via Sports Radio Interviews:

[QUOTE=97 bulls][B]Lol but you just stated that you feel they should've won in 94.[/B] That the only difference between the 93 bulls and 94 bulls was jordan. And then make it seem as if the 94 bulls may even be better than 93 cuz 94 had kukoc. What am I missing? It saying the bulls won in spite of jordan being there. Not cuz of jordan.[/QUOTE]


Pull the quote where i said they should have won in 1994, what are you laughing about???