Now that Bynum is on Philly is he capable of putting up Peak Yao numbers?

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Keep in mind whether he can actually ever be as good as Yao is another question.

Holy sh*t. Career 20/10 almost with 2 blocks a game.

Edit: and yes, playing injured for almost his entire career

I could see him averaging the same amount of games played per season.

[QUOTE=Raz]I could see him averaging the same amount of games played per season.[/QUOTE]

Bad knees aren't anything that get better with age, or size. A healthy Bynum, production wise, could be a top 10 player in the league.

But, Philly will be paying a steep price for a player who typically misses 30% of each season. Also, I truly don't think Bynum's stats are necessarily the kind that translate into wins, though that is just an opinion with no factual evidence since we've never seen him as the main guy on a team. I think we'll finally know what and who Bynum really is these next two seasons, for better or for worse.

I think a completely healthy Bynum completely engaged and given enough room to work could very well be the best player in this league one day.

But Philly plays at such a breakneck pace , always looking to push etc, it's going to be a hard transition.

[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]I think a completely healthy Bynum completely engaged and given enough room to work could very well be the best player in this league one day.

But Philly plays at such a breakneck pace , always looking to push etc, it's going to be a hard transition.[/QUOTE]

They're obviously going to slow the pace of their game down.

[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]They're obviously going to slow the pace of their game down.[/QUOTE]


If your best player is a half court player, clearly you're going to slow the pace. Iggy was awful in the half court lol.

Anyhow no ones answering the question, which is whether Bynum's production will be similar to a healthy Yao mings.

Bynum will definitely get his points that's for sure but I don't think Bynum is close to being the team player that Yao was. Yao also had greater range in his offense and had a nice jumper for a giant.

But if Bynum is healthy I think he scores more points than Yao. Philly's offense will run through him and he'll get his touches.

[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]They're obviously going to slow the pace of their game down.[/QUOTE]


Either way , it's going to be a touch transition.

Their roster isn't exactly suited to a slow pace at the moment.I think he and the team will suffer a bit in the beginning but eventually they'll figure it out.Especially if he gets healthier and starts running the floor more like he did for the first time last season.

[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]Either way , it's going to be a touch transition.

Their roster isn't exactly suited to a slow pace at the moment.I think he and the team will suffer a bit in the beginning but eventually they'll figure it out.Especially if he gets healthier and starts running the floor more like he did for the first time last season.[/QUOTE]

I also don't think they have the deadly shooters to free him up in the paint. Holiday seems like a okay shooter(not sure), Turner doesn't seem like an effective long range shooter, etc.

Nick young and Richardson are decent , especially richardson having played in orlando is pretty prepared.

But Spencer Hawes is not the person you out next to Bynum.

He will definitely be a standout in the league. Hes THE guy in Philly.

[QUOTE=knickballer]Bynum will definitely get his points that's for sure but I don't think Bynum is close to being the team player that Yao was. Yao also had greater range in his offense and had a nice jumper for a giant.

But if Bynum is healthy I think he scores more points than Yao. Philly's offense will run through him and he'll get his touches.[/QUOTE]
How about rebounds/blocks?

Well, it depends on the differences between what LA had around Bynum and what the 6'ers will have around Bynum. It's tough to say how good the spacing will be for Bynum in Philly as compared to LA. And if there's one weakness to his game, it's his ability to handle double teams. This part of his game as a primary post player is what has him below Dwight to me. Bynum becomes absolutely confounded when doubled; he's not quick enough to pull any moves out of a double and he's not a good passer out of double teams at all. There won't be any more of Gasol playing beautiful Big-to-Big basketball with Bynum either to set up easy looks for him.

I don't think he'll ever be capable of putting up peak-Yao numbers as Yao had great range, more than two post moves, and could handle a double team. However, provided that there's good spacing with Bynum out on the court, he can pretty much wipe the floor with almost any Center in the league trying to guard him one-on-one. It's just his lack of mobility and lack of ability to do anything out of a double team that deters me.

[QUOTE=KLovin]Well, it depends on the differences between what LA had around Bynum and what the 6'ers will have around Bynum. It's tough to say how good the spacing will be for Bynum in Philly as compared to LA. And if there's one weakness to his game, it's his ability to handle double teams. This part of his game as a primary post player is what has him below Dwight to me. Bynum becomes absolutely confounded when doubled; he's not quick enough to pull any moves out of a double and he's not a good passer out of double teams at all. There won't be any more of Gasol playing beautiful Big-to-Big basketball with Bynum either to set up easy looks for him.

I don't think he'll ever be capable of putting up peak-Yao numbers as Yao had great range, more than two post moves, and could handle a double team. However, provided that there's good spacing with Bynum out on the court, he can pretty much wipe the floor with almost any Center in the league trying to guard him one-on-one. It's just his lack of mobility and lack of ability to do anything out of a double team that deters me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]The question came up of how important it was for a big man to be able to learn to pass out of a double-team in the post — a skill Lakers center Andrew Bynum has struggled to develop as he’s started to face that extra defender inside. McHale said that’ll come, but smiled when the question was asked, because it’s really the very last step to come in a competent post player’s game.

“First of all, there’s like three prongs in that thing,” he said. “One, you’ve got to get good down in the low post. Two, you’ve got to get good enough to beat your man steady. Three, they double-team you — that’s the third prong, and then you’ve got to pass out, OK?

“You learn pretty quickly, because in the NBA especially, when you start getting double-teamed a lot and when teams have success, they’ll do it every single night. Bynum a year from now will be a very good post passer. He’ll know where to go, he’ll be relaxed, he’ll read it, and pass it out. Then you’ve got murder on your hands because the guy can score down there and he can pass out. And any time two (players) guard one in our league, three have got to guard four. And three cannot guard four in the NBA, the players are too good.”[/QUOTE]

Mchale made this quote during last season, so do you think he'll improve his passing out of double teams throughout the season?

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]Mchale made this quote during last season, so do you think he'll improve his passing out of double teams throughout the season?[/QUOTE]

He'd have to [B]throughout the season[/B] since he'll now be the primary option on this 6'er team. Repetition makes improvement. How he reads his teammates as he familiarizes himself with them will also be important in making efficient passing decisions. I can see quite a few guys on this very athletic 6'er squad benefiting by cutting and getting the feed from Bynum. What I really wish Bynum would do would be to add a decent up-and-under type move to his game a-la McHale since that can be a double team breaker if used effectively.

Funny that this thread came up because I was thinking about Yao yesterday. I think people really forget just how good the damn guy was. If he was healthy and had better stamina to play more minutes he could have easily been a top 3 center of all time. His 25 ppg season was in 33 minutes a game. Shaq for example played 37-40 minutes in his prime to put up his big scoring numbers.

[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]Nick young and Richardson are decent , especially richardson having played in orlando is pretty prepared.

[B]But Spencer Hawes is not the person you out next to Bynum[/B].[/QUOTE]
why not? hes a great high post passer and has a great mid range shot that means he wont be clogging up the paint for bynum. one thing spenc can't do though is guard stretch 4's hes too slow to close on them.

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]Mchale made this quote during last season, so do you think he'll improve his passing out of double teams throughout the season?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure. Bynum's inability to pass seemed to stem from an unwillingness. Bynum has always struck me, and many others, as a player preoccupied with his stats at the end of the game. He also has always struck me as a player who is confident in his abilities, many times tip toeing arrogance. Him not passing out of double teams isn't just a lack of skill or knowledge in terms of managing teams' defense. It's also him just simply not wanting to pass the ball out double/triple teams. He believes he can score against almost anyone or any number of opponents. Watch some games from last year, how he'd simply just try and out muscle the 4 arms attempting to strip him of the ball.

Bynum's lack of mobility in the post also aides in this. He isn't quick, and takes an awful amount of time to gather and position himself. He's slow to react, and many times I've seen him attempt to pass out double teams, the ball ended up either out of bounds or in the opponent's possession.

So, there's some aspects he can change (such as his willingness to actually pass the ball) and others he probably can't (his quickness). So, we'll just have to wait and see.

He's gonna have more time to visit Miami, if you know what I mean.

[QUOTE=Styles p]why not? hes a great high post passer and has a great mid range shot that means he wont be clogging up the paint for bynum. one thing spenc can't do though is guard stretch 4's hes too slow to close on them.[/QUOTE]

Ideally what you want is to just clear the lane for Bynum and let him go to work.It's very easy to help off someone like Hawes who hovers at around 12 feet.

Even if he's a great high passer, like Gasol, the off the ball plays aren't really what you want Bynum doing.

Also Bynum needs a ultra mobile defender to make up for his lack of quickness, he can protect the rim and defend the post but you need someone athletic to defend the P&R etc etc.

[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]Ideally what you want is to just clear the lane for Bynum and let him go to work.It's very easy to help off someone like Hawes who hovers at around 12 feet.

Even if he's a great high passer, like Gasol, the off the ball plays aren't really what you want Bynum doing.

[B]Also Bynum needs a ultra mobile defender to make up for his lack of quickness, he can protect the rim and defend the post but you need someone athletic to defend the P&R etc etc[/B].[/QUOTE]
hopefully moultrie can turn into that guy.

In all honesty I think he averages a shade under 20 pts, 10 boards and 2 blocks. I don't think his numbers will be all that different from the Lakers considering Philly is a team that likes to spread the ball.

His scoring is going to have to go up a bit. Maybe not 25+ PPG but at least in the low 20's. The Sixers don't have any consistent scorers on the team.

I expect Bynum to get around 18 FGA, which would already be 5 more than he got last season.

I'm intrested in how Holiday adjusts with the change in pace.

Bynum's gonna rape the east.

FACT.

I don't follow the Sixers at all, but I do know when you have a great big man down low, you need shooters. Does Philly still have them (meeks and lou williams? I think they've signed to other teams).


Oh the topic of yao vs bynum, Bynum has the edge defensively mainly because he's more athletic, so rebounding and blocking are his advantage. Also, even though I really am not sure about this, I think Bynum might actually be slightly bigger than Yao width-wise (like how Shaq was bigger than Yao in that sense). Yao never had the physical frame to absolutely demolish people on the inside, whilst Bynum might.

So I think in terms of numbers, Bynum might get over Yao on rebounds and blocks, but I don't think he'll reach Yao's points.





f*ck I really miss Yao now from the Rockets, we are so crap without him :cry:

[QUOTE=brantonli]I don't follow the Sixers at all, but I do know when you have a great big man down low, you need shooters. [B]Does Philly still have them (meeks and lou williams? I think they've signed to other teams).
[/B]

Oh the topic of yao vs bynum, Bynum has the edge defensively mainly because he's more athletic, so rebounding and blocking are his advantage. Also, even though I really am not sure about this, I think Bynum might actually be slightly bigger than Yao width-wise (like how Shaq was bigger than Yao in that sense). Yao never had the physical frame to absolutely demolish people on the inside, whilst Bynum might.

So I think in terms of numbers, Bynum might get over Yao on rebounds and blocks, but I don't think he'll reach Yao's points.





f*ck I really miss Yao now from the Rockets, we are so crap without him :cry:[/QUOTE]
replaced them with better shooters n.young,j.richardson,d.wright and jrue can shoot the 3.

Let's hope so, we need another dominant big besides dwight.

[QUOTE=bfrombleacher]Holy sh*t. Career 20/10 almost with 2 blocks a game.

Edit: and yes, playing injured for almost his entire career[/QUOTE]
Huh? It's not even 20/10 rounded. It's 19/9.

Keep in mind that Amar'e Stoudemire averaged more rebounds during his and Yao's rookie years (same year).

Amar'e Stoudemire.

Let that sink in.

Yao was a much better passer. Not sure his peak stats but if we are asking can Bynum do 20+ 10+? Sure. Passing however/assists I don't know. He has his work cut out for him.


[QUOTE=longtime lurker]In all honesty I think he averages a shade under 20 pts, 10 boards and 2 blocks. I don't think his numbers will be all that different from the Lakers considering Philly is a team that likes to spread the ball.[/QUOTE]

They spread ball around because there was no go to scorer. And they ranked smog the bottom of the league in post offense. This changes when you bring Bynum who will be the focal point of your offense. To think Sixers will play the same way offensively simply won't happen now that you added a dominant interior scorer who overnight improves your putrid halfcourt offense.

Bynum is also a in a contract year and I can't recall one player not taking advantage statistically. Speaking in terms of good players. Being the Sixers #1 option will automatically increase his ppg. His FG % will take a hit and I believe he will go to the FT line more than he has as a Laker.

Yep, contract year for Bynum, good point. 22 and 11 is my prediction. Turner should also produce with more minutes. Pulling for the sixers to be contenders.:applause:

A lot of people saying Philly's style doesn't fit around Bynum. Philly doesn't have a "style" anymore, the players that created it are gone.

Out:
Iggy
Brand
Lou
Meeks
Vucevic
Battie


In:
Bynum
N. Young
D. Wright
Kwame
Ivey
Moultrie

It's a roster overhaul. The only returning player that caters more to a fast break pace is Thad Young, and even he's gone up from 215 to 229 this summer.

Well, statistically, he might be able to. He already topped Yao's rebounding and FG% last season, while shot blocking is about the same, but scoring is the main issue since Yao averaged 25, and was at 27/10 before his injury in late December.

He put up 19/12/2 on 56 FG% last season as a clear second option(though he should have been the 3rd option). It's tough to say if he'll stay healthy, and if he does, will he only improve as a player, or will it show in his individual numbers too? I don't think his numbers last year were a fluke either. Remember in 2009-2010 when Gasol was out for the first 11 games. Bynum played in 9 of those games and averaged 20/12 on 59%. Not the biggest sample size, but it looked like he was doing it fairly easily, it didn't look like some hot streak or anything.

Any time you have a player close to 20 ppg on 55% shooting you have a player with special scoring ability.

We'll have to see how he handles being the primary focusing of opposing defenses. Whether it was with Gasol or Bynum being more featured these last few years in LA, it was a unique situation because Kobe actually received more defensive attention than either all-star big man, which is rarely the case with a perimeter player.

Bynum being a legitimate 7'1" with a wingspan of at least 7'6" alone is a huge advantage. He also has excellent body control for his size and a good post game with several consistent moves and a nice touch 10 feet and in.

The one thing that disappoints me is that he's already clearly lost quickness and overall athleticism due to the knee injuries. I'd love to see Bynum now with the explosiveness he had in '07-'08.

He has the ability to score a lot, he's in a role that will allow him to do that, and while can be both good and bad, he has the mindset.

So 25 ppg is plausible, imo, but I don't think he'll do it next season. And I don't know if he'll ever do it, I have my doubts, I just think it was possible. If he's healthy, though. He should get to the point where he's regularly putting up about 20/10 or better with 2+ bpg while topping 50% shooting if he's Philly's franchise player.

Now how far a team can go with Bynum as their franchise player is another issue. Of course, franchise player to me is different than just best player. You don't necessarily have to be a top 10 or even 15 player to win as the best player if you're on a stacked team. Portland should have won in 2000 if not for an improbable choke job, and the Sonics had everything you could ask for in '93.

But a franchise player to me is when you have a player who you build your team around, you rely on him instead of having 4-5 or even more scoring options who you pretty much divide the scoring between fairly evenly.

As for being as good of a player as Yao was in '07? That I'm more skeptical of. I think Yao just had the potential to be better, and he was showing it in '07, unfortunately, the injury that prevented his '07 season from being even better was a freak injury when he landed on a Clipper player's foot. He did recover from that injury and return healthy in plenty of the time for the playoffs, but Yao and T-Mac missed a golden opportunity to beat Utah as they should have and had an almosrt guaranteed trip to the conference finals thanks to the Warriors upsetting Dallas.

I'd also like to see Bynum put in more effort defensively. He has the ability to have a major impact defensively. Just based on being a massive shot blocker, he can have an impact at that end, but I want to see his defense more like the second half of the '10-'11 season. Bynum's role was only defense, rebounding and finishing at that point and he sparked the Lakers to their best stretch of an up and down season. It's still probably the most effective I've seen him as far as helping his team win.

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]Mchale made this quote during last season, so do you think he'll improve his passing out of double teams throughout the season?[/QUOTE]

That quote is really good. It usually is the final step in the maturation of a post player. Passing and handling double teams. It's the biggest reason why Hakeem went up a tier over any level he had played at prior to '92-'93 despite being 29/30 by that point. It's because Rudy T running a 4 out/1 in type of system with everything running through Hakeem in the post, not just to score, but to draw doubles and set up shooters really made him become more unselfish, made that all important leap for a superstar to make his teammates better, and showcased a skill that he hadn't taken advantage of.

Similarly, Shaq became an excellent passer throughout his career, peaking during the 3peat, which was also essential with the triangle revolving around him. He now had to fit his game into the system, instead of just playing how he wanted and working to get the shot he wanted, he was now asked to get good position and make a quick move, and pass out to re-post, or find a shooter when doubled, and also find cutters, which he excelled at. He was actually a good passer by '95, and Orlando's offense was pretty similar to what Hakeem's Rockets did under Rudy T in Houston with the sort of 4 out/1 in with shooters, and no other post player.

There are other examples too, almost every great post player becomes a good to great passer.Many improve significantly too such as Shaq, and especially Hakeem.

Granted, there are some like Moses who dominate without ever becoming a good passer. In fact, he was the clear best player for 2 seasons in '82 and '83, yet he either couldn't or wouldn't pass.

Last season, I also saw Dwight finally make a significant improvement passing and handling double teams to the point where it's not an issue to me if he keeps it up. Despite 2011 being easily his best season, he still often struggled handling double teams, and it was his biggest weakness.

It's definitely something that Bynum can improve, and we have to remember that last season was the first year Bynum really saw double teams. As of now, Bynum's unwillingness or inability to pass is why I wouldn't be crazy about running my offense through him, but the more he gets used to teams gameplanning to stop him, the better he has a chance to become. The potential is there, no reason he can't at least become a decent passer, which is all he needs with his scoring ability, especially if you add in 12 boards per game. Half the battle is Bynum wanting to pass.

While Bynum has played 7 seasons, he hasn't had all of the opportunities he needs to reach his potential. He didn't even really play his first season, he's had so many injuries since then, and he was usually the 3rd option at best, sometimes more like the 4th or 5th option because it was best for the team.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Well, statistically, he might be able to. He already topped Yao's rebounding and FG% last season, while shot blocking is about the same, but scoring is the main issue since Yao averaged 25, and was at 27/10 before his injury in late December.

He put up 19/12/2 on 56 FG% last season as a clear second option(though he should have been the 3rd option). It's tough to say if he'll stay healthy, and if he does, will he only improve as a player, or will it show in his individual numbers too? I don't think his numbers last year were a fluke either. Remember in 2009-2010 when Gasol was out for the first 11 games. Bynum played in 9 of those games and averaged 20/12 on 59%. Not the biggest sample size, but it looked like he was doing it fairly easily, it didn't look like some hot streak or anything.

Any time you have a player close to 20 ppg on 55% shooting you have a player with special scoring ability.

We'll have to see how he handles being the primary focusing of opposing defenses. Whether it was with Gasol or Bynum being more featured these last few years in LA, it was a unique situation because Kobe actually received more defensive attention than either all-star big man, which is rarely the case with a perimeter player.

Bynum being a legitimate 7'1" with a wingspan of at least 7'6" alone is a huge advantage. He also has excellent body control for his size and a good post game with several consistent moves and a nice touch 10 feet and in.

The one thing that disappoints me is that he's already clearly lost quickness and overall athleticism due to the knee injuries. I'd love to see Bynum now with the explosiveness he had in '07-'08.

He has the ability to score a lot, he's in a role that will allow him to do that, and while can be both good and bad, he has the mindset.

So 25 ppg is plausible, imo, but I don't think he'll do it next season. And I don't know if he'll ever do it, I have my doubts, I just think it was possible. If he's healthy, though. He should get to the point where he's regularly putting up about 20/10 or better with 2+ bpg while topping 50% shooting if he's Philly's franchise player.

Now how far a team can go with Bynum as their franchise player is another issue. Of course, franchise player to me is different than just best player. You don't necessarily have to be a top 10 or even 15 player to win as the best player if you're on a stacked team. Portland should have won in 2000 if not for an improbable choke job, and the Sonics had everything you could ask for in '93.

But a franchise player to me is when you have a player who you build your team around, you rely on him instead of having 4-5 or even more scoring options who you pretty much divide the scoring between fairly evenly.

As for being as good of a player as Yao was in '07? That I'm more skeptical of. I think Yao just had the potential to be better, and he was showing it in '07, unfortunately, the injury that prevented his '07 season from being even better was a freak injury when he landed on a Clipper player's foot. He did recover from that injury and return healthy in plenty of the time for the playoffs, but Yao and T-Mac missed a golden opportunity to beat Utah as they should have and had an almosrt guaranteed trip to the conference finals thanks to the Warriors upsetting Dallas.

[B]I'd also like to see Bynum put in more effort defensively. He has the ability to have a major impact defensively. Just based on being a massive shot blocker, he can have an impact at that end, but I want to see his defense more like the second half of the '10-'11 season. Bynum's role was only defense, rebounding and finishing at that point and he sparked the Lakers to their best stretch of an up and down season. It's still probably the most effective I've seen him as far as helping his team win[/B].



That quote is really good. It usually is the final step in the maturation of a post player. Passing and handling double teams. It's the biggest reason why Hakeem went up a tier over any level he had played at prior to '92-'93 despite being 29/30 by that point. It's because Rudy T running a 4 out/1 in type of system with everything running through Hakeem in the post, not just to score, but to draw doubles and set up shooters really made him become more unselfish, made that all important leap for a superstar to make his teammates better, and showcased a skill that he hadn't taken advantage of.

Similarly, Shaq became an excellent passer throughout his career, peaking during the 3peat, which was also essential with the triangle revolving around him. He now had to fit his game into the system, instead of just playing how he wanted and working to get the shot he wanted, he was now asked to get good position and make a quick move, and pass out to re-post, or find a shooter when doubled, and also find cutters, which he excelled at. He was actually a good passer by '95, and Orlando's offense was pretty similar to what Hakeem's Rockets did under Rudy T in Houston with the sort of 4 out/1 in with shooters, and no other post player.

There are other examples too, almost every great post player becomes a good to great passer.Many improve significantly too such as Shaq, and especially Hakeem.

Granted, there are some like Moses who dominate without ever becoming a good passer. In fact, he was the clear best player for 2 seasons in '82 and '83, yet he either couldn't or wouldn't pass.

Last season, I also saw Dwight finally make a significant improvement passing and handling double teams to the point where it's not an issue to me if he keeps it up. Despite 2011 being easily his best season, he still often struggled handling double teams, and it was his biggest weakness.

[B]It's definitely something that Bynum can improve, and we have to remember that last season was the first year Bynum really saw double teams. As of now, Bynum's unwillingness or inability to pass is why I wouldn't be crazy about running my offense through him, but the more he gets used to teams gameplanning to stop him, the better he has a chance to become. The potential is there, no reason he can't at least become a decent passer, which is all he needs with his scoring ability, especially if you add in 12 boards per game. Half the battle is Bynum wanting to pass.[/B]

While Bynum has played 7 seasons, he hasn't had all of the opportunities he needs to reach his potential. He didn't even really play his first season, he's had so many injuries since then, and he was usually the 3rd option at best, sometimes more like the 4th or 5th option because it was best for the team.[/QUOTE]

Bolder for the truth.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Well, statistically, he might be able to. He already topped Yao's rebounding and FG% last season, while shot blocking is about the same, but scoring is the main issue since Yao averaged 25, and was at 27/10 before his injury in late December.

He put up 19/12/2 on 56 FG% last season as a clear second option(though he should have been the 3rd option). It's tough to say if he'll stay healthy, and if he does, will he only improve as a player, or will it show in his individual numbers too? I don't think his numbers last year were a fluke either. Remember in 2009-2010 when Gasol was out for the first 11 games. Bynum played in 9 of those games and averaged 20/12 on 59%. Not the biggest sample size, but it looked like he was doing it fairly easily, it didn't look like some hot streak or anything.

Any time you have a player close to 20 ppg on 55% shooting you have a player with special scoring ability.

We'll have to see how he handles being the primary focusing of opposing defenses. Whether it was with Gasol or Bynum being more featured these last few years in LA, it was a unique situation because Kobe actually received more defensive attention than either all-star big man, which is rarely the case with a perimeter player.

Bynum being a legitimate 7'1" with a wingspan of at least 7'6" alone is a huge advantage. He also has excellent body control for his size and a good post game with several consistent moves and a nice touch 10 feet and in.

The one thing that disappoints me is that he's already clearly lost quickness and overall athleticism due to the knee injuries. I'd love to see Bynum now with the explosiveness he had in '07-'08.

He has the ability to score a lot, he's in a role that will allow him to do that, and while can be both good and bad, he has the mindset.

So 25 ppg is plausible, imo, but I don't think he'll do it next season. And I don't know if he'll ever do it, I have my doubts, I just think it was possible. If he's healthy, though. He should get to the point where he's regularly putting up about 20/10 or better with 2+ bpg while topping 50% shooting if he's Philly's franchise player.

Now how far a team can go with Bynum as their franchise player is another issue. Of course, franchise player to me is different than just best player. You don't necessarily have to be a top 10 or even 15 player to win as the best player if you're on a stacked team. Portland should have won in 2000 if not for an improbable choke job, and the Sonics had everything you could ask for in '93.

But a franchise player to me is when you have a player who you build your team around, you rely on him instead of having 4-5 or even more scoring options who you pretty much divide the scoring between fairly evenly.

As for being as good of a player as Yao was in '07? That I'm more skeptical of. I think Yao just had the potential to be better, and he was showing it in '07, unfortunately, the injury that prevented his '07 season from being even better was a freak injury when he landed on a Clipper player's foot. He did recover from that injury and return healthy in plenty of the time for the playoffs, but Yao and T-Mac missed a golden opportunity to beat Utah as they should have and had an almosrt guaranteed trip to the conference finals thanks to the Warriors upsetting Dallas.

I'd also like to see Bynum put in more effort defensively. He has the ability to have a major impact defensively. Just based on being a massive shot blocker, he can have an impact at that end, but I want to see his defense more like the second half of the '10-'11 season. Bynum's role was only defense, rebounding and finishing at that point and he sparked the Lakers to their best stretch of an up and down season. It's still probably the most effective I've seen him as far as helping his team win.



That quote is really good. It usually is the final step in the maturation of a post player. Passing and handling double teams. It's the biggest reason why Hakeem went up a tier over any level he had played at prior to '92-'93 despite being 29/30 by that point. It's because Rudy T running a 4 out/1 in type of system with everything running through Hakeem in the post, not just to score, but to draw doubles and set up shooters really made him become more unselfish, made that all important leap for a superstar to make his teammates better, and showcased a skill that he hadn't taken advantage of.

Similarly, Shaq became an excellent passer throughout his career, peaking during the 3peat, which was also essential with the triangle revolving around him. He now had to fit his game into the system, instead of just playing how he wanted and working to get the shot he wanted, he was now asked to get good position and make a quick move, and pass out to re-post, or find a shooter when doubled, and also find cutters, which he excelled at. He was actually a good passer by '95, and Orlando's offense was pretty similar to what Hakeem's Rockets did under Rudy T in Houston with the sort of 4 out/1 in with shooters, and no other post player.

There are other examples too, almost every great post player becomes a good to great passer.Many improve significantly too such as Shaq, and especially Hakeem.

Granted, there are some like Moses who dominate without ever becoming a good passer. In fact, he was the clear best player for 2 seasons in '82 and '83, yet he either couldn't or wouldn't pass.

Last season, I also saw Dwight finally make a significant improvement passing and handling double teams to the point where it's not an issue to me if he keeps it up. Despite 2011 being easily his best season, he still often struggled handling double teams, and it was his biggest weakness.

It's definitely something that Bynum can improve, and we have to remember that last season was the first year Bynum really saw double teams. As of now, Bynum's unwillingness or inability to pass is why I wouldn't be crazy about running my offense through him, but the more he gets used to teams gameplanning to stop him, the better he has a chance to become. The potential is there, no reason he can't at least become a decent passer, which is all he needs with his scoring ability, especially if you add in 12 boards per game. Half the battle is Bynum wanting to pass.

While Bynum has played 7 seasons, he hasn't had all of the opportunities he needs to reach his potential. He didn't even really play his first season, he's had so many injuries since then, and he was usually the 3rd option at best, sometimes more like the 4th or 5th option because it was best for the team.[/QUOTE]


:cheers: Agreed, guess I'm interested in seeing how it'll pan out.

My guess is, he probably won't score 25 a game like Yao (then again he's playing in the East...), he's not yet consistent enough. He'll have his share of huge games though, and will average more rebounds per contest.

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]:cheers: Agreed, guess I'm interested in seeing how it'll pan out.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I can't wait to see how Bynum does as well as the Sixers team. They have some question marks, but nobody is expecting them to contend right now anyway. I have no idea how Philly is going to do even assuming they have a healthy Bynum. They do have a very nice amount of capable scorers around him such as Thaddeus, Nick Young, Jrue Holiday and possibly J-Rich. I'm not sold on Dorrell Wright, but he did become a legit shooter in Golden State so they'll have at least 3 guys capable of making 2 threes per game alongside Bynum in Richardson, Nick Young and Wright. Holiday is also a capable 3 point shooter.

He doesn't have any great players around him. Thaddeus is the best scorer, while Nick Young has the best chance to go on a scoring streak and Jrue is probably the most well rounded for his position.

Depth at power forward, point guard and small forward are real question marks to me. Arnett Moultrie is very athletic for a big man, but I'm not betting on him being able to contribute in his rookie season because he seems raw and not strong enough to deal with NBA power forwards. Is Royal Ivey going to back up Jrue at point guard? And is Richardson going to see quite a bit of time at small forward?

Either way, we'll be in for a great season, much better than last season as far as I'm concerned.

[QUOTE=StateProperty]It's a roster overhaul. The only returning player that caters more to a fast break pace is Thad Young, and even he's gone up from 215 to 229 this summer.[/QUOTE]

Bulking up to play PF I see. :applause:

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]If your best player is a half court player, clearly you're going to slow the pace. Iggy was awful in the half court lol.

Anyhow no ones answering the question, which is whether Bynum's production will be similar to a healthy Yao mings.[/QUOTE]
27/13 60% 2 blocks a game are prime bynum numbers IMO