Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali

Both primes, who ya got?

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Probably Tyson.

Joe Louis.

ill take tyson

tyson is the most overrated boxer of all time

ali easily

Prime Tyson would destroy anybody.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRPn7R_6r4o[/url]

Tyson was a dangerous individual and he [I]slightly[/I] edges it if you just take fighting into account. But Ali had some crazy heart and won numerous times when he had no right to do so. Because of that I would never count him out, especially against someone like Tyson who if he isn't dominating really can't beat you any other way.

[QUOTE=Riddler]Prime Tyson would destroy anybody.[/QUOTE]

Except Buster Douglas :oldlol:

Ali would beat him before they even got to the ring. Ali was a master at mind games and Tyson was a mental midget. Ali too tall, too skilled, too smart, too tough for Tyson. Mike never did well when he stepped up in class and wasn't harrassing tomato cans. Look what the massive underdog and way past it Holyfield did to him. It'd look a lot like Lewis-Tyson, at any point of Tyson's career.

Ali all the way.

what is wrong with some of you fools?

[quote=DonDadda59]Except Buster Douglas :oldlol:

Ali would beat him before they even got to the ring. Ali was a master at mind games and Tyson was a mental midget. Ali too tall, too skilled, too smart, too tough for Tyson. Mike never did well when he stepped up in class and wasn't harrassing tomato cans. Look what the massive underdog and way past it Holyfield did to him. It'd look a lot like Lewis-Tyson, at any point of Tyson's career.[/quote]

Didn't he get injured like partway through the fight. I believe it was his knee or something like that? I havent watched that fight in a while so my memory might be off.

Mike was never the same after that fight :(

Ali would win. If he could take Foreman's punches I think he would be able to survive the early rounds with Tyson, frustrate Tyson and win a unanimous decision.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Except Buster Douglas :oldlol:

Ali would beat him before they even got to the ring. Ali was a master at mind games and Tyson was a mental midget. Ali too tall, too skilled, too smart, too tough for Tyson. Mike never did well when he stepped up in class and wasn't harrassing tomato cans. Look what the massive underdog and way past it Holyfield did to him. It'd look a lot like Lewis-Tyson, at any point of Tyson's career.[/QUOTE]


to be fair tyson had come out of retired earlier and then fought holyfield was headbutting him.


also, apparentely buster douglas has a flawless fight and pull alot into it cause he mom had died 20 days before.

[QUOTE=LBJMVP]to be fair tyson had come out of retired earlier and then fought holyfield was headbutting him.


also, apparentely buster douglas has a flawless fight and pull alot into it cause he mom had died 20 days before.[/QUOTE]

Mike was going through the whole Robbin Givens drama too. Focused Mike ends Buster early. He still loses to Ali in a hypothetical match up though.

Ali!

I'm sorry but Tyson would get destroyed.

thats like comparing the eiffel tower in Las Vegas to the eiffel tower in Paris, France

there really is no comparison

Tyson was vicious, but Ali is called The Greatest for a reason

I love Ali. I remember having the Ali/Ken Norton boxing "action" figures back in the day. But I got Tyson in this one. In their prime! A talking Ali would only cause Tyson to just end it quicker.

in his prime(pre douglas when he was completely focused in the ring) and as long as this man is still training him :

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tyson takes out the[I] 'greatest' [/I]

y'all are thinking of the post douglas tyson

[QUOTE=dude77]
y'all are thinking of the post douglas tyson[/QUOTE]

You might be thinking of a post-vietnam Ali as well, you know, when the robbed the champion of his prime

Ali had it all. The only question mark was his chin early in his career because nobody could catch him flush, and I think he proved he had one in those Frazier bouts.

Can't hit what you can't catch, and he had pin point accuracy along with his reach, power and speed.

Tyson was a knockout artist, he doesn't get enough credit for his ring smarts. But Ali was a boxer. He was a scientist in that ring

This is a real debate? Ali.

Tyson

ali might be able to jab with reach all day, but Tyson in his prime to me had the best power punches i've ever seen and i think he could get inside to land them. i think the latter Tyson when he had all of those personal issues and switched from rooney? i think distorted a lot of his greatness in most peoples perception of him. especially the holyfield fights and ear biting.

Ali himself said Tyson would beat him. You can see the respect he has for Mike here:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki4UKsI8bms[/url]

Ali >> Tyson!

this is what would have happened to ali had he fought a primed and focused tyson trained by kevin rooney .. except it would've come much earlier in the fight and he would've knocked him out :


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctKAGKVpCUU&feature=player_detailpage#t=3511s[/url]

Ali would clown him.

[QUOTE=dude77]this is what would have happened to ali had he fought a primed and focused tyson trained by kevin rooney .. except it would've come much earlier in the fight and he would've knocked him out :


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctKAGKVpCUU&feature=player_detailpage#t=3511s[/url][/QUOTE]

Huh? You realized that fight went 15 rounds? You realized Joe Frazier stamina shyts all over Tyson? Tyson wasnt a fighter who could go deep into rounds. Joe Frazier was. You see how fatigedAli was? To think Ali would be that fatigued early for Tyson to tee off on him like this is stupid on your part.

Ridiculous video posting to justify why you think Tyson beats Ali. Get out of here. Ali stuck and moved in his prime, he never stood still in 1 place.Ali utilized his jab which was having nice long reach. That neutralizes Tyson who looks to get close to attack. Ali could keep Mike off balance simply by sticking and moving then unleashes combos Tyson wouldnt suspect due to pure frustratio because he cant get inside of Ali to punish him.

The fight would be similar when Lennox whupped Tyson. Just in terms of the contract in styles. So dont go countering that wasnt Tysons prime. I'm speaking solely of the difference in styles. Prime Tyson was mean, viscious but he didnt demonstate the ability to go deep in fights and take an opponent out. Joe Frazier was short, and a 1 handed boxer but what made him great was he was relentless. His motor kept going. Joe Frazier could have gone another 5 rds in that 1st Ali fight. Tyson would never last 15rds then unleash like that.

And to think Tyson would have easily done this early is seriously underestimating Ali ring IQ. He was a skilled boxer but smart as hell. Notice how you tried to carefully craft Tysons corner by saying give him Rooney then attatched "focused" to the line? You dont need to say crap like that about a prime Ali. Yet with a prime Tyson you want to carefully walk on egg shells to give him certain "things" in order for him to be successful. Get out of here bruh.

It would be an amazing fight just off the trash talk leading up to them touching gloves. Tyson wouldnt roll over but Ali wins this matchup. Ali ATE Joe Frazer left hook (one of boxings best) and fought on. Tells me Ali chin is made of glass. Frazier was such a durable fighter, silly to use this clip in rd 15.

[QUOTE=DonD13]which youtube highlight vid have you seen??


and no, not true, the general perception is that he was an unstoppable beast but the truth is that he had some nice wins but not enough quality opposition to be considered beeing one of the greatest[/QUOTE]


i've seen almost all of his fights on ppv. Tyson was dominating in the 80's, in fact so dominating there was a period where other fighters didn't want to even challenge him. say what you want about lack of competition but i've neveer seen anybody wreck everyone that they fought in their prime like Tyson. it got to the point everyone watching expected either a KO or someone to die in the first 30 secs of every one of his fights for a while. not talking after he got in trouble for rape, holyfield fights, etc. since thats when he went downhill big time after he left Rooney. but in his prime i've never seen a more dominant fighter, and his upper cut was ridiculous.

then again i'm not the biggest fans of pure boxers(don't like mayweather's style either) and while i love Sugar Ray(from MD), i give a lot more credit to a toe to toe fighter that isn't all about ducking and moving all fight so much. call it personal preference i guess.

I don't know if it's a lack of good competition or the fact that Tyson was SO dominant it ruined the reputation of boxers in his era. He beat Larry Holmes who was an all-time great. Micheal Spinks had a solid career and his only loss was to Tyson.

It kind of reminds me of how Jordan dominated his era to the point where it ruined the careers of Malone and Stockton, Barkley, and Ewing. All of which could never be considered a top 15 player of all-time.

All I know is I grew up in that era so to me Tyson was the closest thing to an unstoppable force I've ever seen. I couldn't pick a winner but for those who think its a joke that Tyson could beat Ali I'd really have to question.

People that claim Trevor Berbick, Michael Spinks, Frank Bruno, Larry Holmes, and Tony Tucker were not tough opponents are clueless. Put Frank Bruno in 2012 and he dominates the entire HW division.

Point aside, if Ali makes it past round 4 then he wins

Ya'll are crazy!!! Make no mistake, Ali could lay the SMACKDOWN on fools. I don't know where you guys are getting the idea that Ali was some feather-fisted point fighter. He had power, a GRANITE chin, blazing speed, height, reach, technique, HEART, and stamina for DAYS. He could bounce around for a whole fight, modern welterweights can't even do that.

Ali stopped Sonny Liston. SONNY LISTON. Think Tyson, but taller, bigger, and physically stronger.

Ali took bombs and stopped George Forman. GEORGE FOREMAN!!! Think Tyson, but taller, bigger, physically stronger, and a HARDER PUNCHER than Tyson EVER was. Arguably the hardest puncher of all time.

Ali stopped Joe Frazier. JOE FRAZIER. One of the toughest SOB's in the history of mankind.

Tyson isn't beating Ali.

Let's put it this way, Ali has been hit harder than Tyson could ever hit him, has withstood more pressure than Tyson could ever put on him, has had his heart, stamina, and toughness tested harder than Tyson ever would be able to, faced multiple fighters that were simply better than Tyson, and didn't only survive, he WON.

Tyson literally has no way to win. Ali makes Tyson give up and stops him eventually.

[QUOTE=DonD13]I love Mike but he's terribly overrated. No way he would have a chance against Ali. Ali would jab the shit out of him.
He has pretty much no meaningful win in his record and got beat in his prime by some cab driver.
His fans are as stupid as it gets. 'if he would have trained', 'if he would be focused', if he would have done this and that... :blah

common man, I would be a hw champ if I would have trained and would be focused and so on[/QUOTE]

This. Ali would definitely keep his distance. If they went toe to toe, I see Tyson blowing Ali but Ali was a smart fighter and wouldn't fight him like that.

[QUOTE=Cali Syndicate]This. Ali would definitely keep his distance. If they went toe to toe, I see Tyson blowing Ali but Ali was a smart fighter and wouldn't fight him like that.[/QUOTE]

Tyson wouldn't even win a toe to toe match with Ali. If Foreman couldn't take Ali out like that, Tyson has a 0% chance.

[QUOTE=lefthook00]Tyson wouldn't even win a toe to toe match with Ali. If Foreman couldn't take Ali out like that, Tyson has a 0% chance.[/QUOTE]

Ali didn't go toe to toe, he wore Foreman down. Ali would do the same with Tyson.

[QUOTE=Cali Syndicate]Ali didn't go toe to toe, he wore Foreman down. Ali would do the same with Tyson.[/QUOTE]

He rope-a-doped him, but a lot of that was trading punch for punch. What I meant was that Ali ate all of Foreman's shots, many of them flush, and he didn't get stopped, and Tyson hits no where near as hard as Foreman.

[QUOTE=lefthook00]He rope-a-doped him, but a lot of that was trading punch for punch. What I meant was that Ali ate all of Foreman's shots, many of them flush, and he didn't get stopped, and Tyson hits no where near as hard as Foreman.[/QUOTE]

IDK, Foreman was a beast of a man and overall Foreman probably had more power but Tyson's left hook was pretty nasty.

[QUOTE=Cali Syndicate]IDK, Foreman was a beast of a man and overall Foreman probably had more power but Tyson's left hook was pretty nasty.[/QUOTE]
Yea I feel like Foreman hit harder than Tyson but he didnt have near the quickness or explosive ability.. and thats what knocks people out. Foreman was a giant that just heaved bombs right through people's guards but Tyson was a weaver who would duck in and throw shots that were less predictable imo. His left hook would come out of nowhere and if Ali took one unexpected hit to the jaw from 80s mike he would drop.

Whether Foreman power was better than Tyson is irrelevant. Ali would not stand toe to toe with Mike Tyson and trade power shots. Ali beat fighters with his skills, not brawling in the middle of the ring to see who would be the first to kiss canvas. This aint Mickey Ward vs Gatti.

If you turn this fight into who wins toe to toe testing power and chins? This gives Tyson a chance to win. Yes Ali has eaten power shots from greats. But he aint eating them often, no man is. Toe to toe countering one another plays into Tysons hands more than Ali. Tyson hit hard. Tyson was quick and explosive. And a prime Tyson was accurate with his shots. He wouldnt just hit Ali with hooks, he'd follow it up with sharp uppercuts as well.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Whether Foreman power was better than Tyson is irrelevant. Ali would not stand toe to toe with Mike Tyson and trade power shots. Ali beat fighters with his skills, not brawling in the middle of the ring to see who would be the first to kiss canvas. This aint Mickey Ward vs Gatti.

If you turn this fight into who wins toe to toe testing power and chins? This gives Tyson a chance to win. Yes Ali has eaten power shots from greats. But he aint eating them often, no man is. Toe to toe countering one another plays into Tysons hands more than Ali. Tyson hit hard. Tyson was quick and explosive. And a prime Tyson was accurate with his shots. He wouldnt just hit Ali with hooks, he'd follow it up with sharp uppercuts as well.[/QUOTE]
Ali would treat Mike the same way he treated Joe Frazier.. call him stupid and belittle his intelligence and patience and try to toy with him, etc. But we all saw Frazier stand toe to toe with Ali and even beat him. Frazier and Mike arent all that different. Both shorter quicker power hitters with crazy hooks.. except Tyson was scarier and hit even more ferociously. He probably couldnt last as long as Joe but I think prime Mike could overwhelm Ali.. hed have to have his best corner from the 80s with him to give him patience but its possible. People acting like Ali would just breeze through it are kidding themselves.

Goddamnit can we talk about Jack Johnson or Sugar Ray Robinson or Lennox instead.

Yes they are the most memorable/charismatic motherf*kkers in all of boxing.

But by golly there's been at least ten threads on this