How did your (former) coach teach you how to shoot? What kind of method did he want you to use?
Do you feel you were taught to shoot in a manner which resembles the pros?
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How did your (former) coach teach you how to shoot? What kind of method did he want you to use?
Do you feel you were taught to shoot in a manner which resembles the pros?
But I'm a pro bruh. Nah, I shoot like Noah.
the head of the basketball summer camp I went to when I was like 6 played these VHS tapes for us:
[url]http://www.nba.com/roundball/[/url]
Bird and Barry ftw
I had a hard time understanding what you even meant.
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How were you taught to shoot?*
I was taught by a old urban dude at my local park, he took me under his wing and all he asked for return was a quick handie after our session.
My pops
How where...what?
What part of China do you come from?
At a basketball clinic when I was a kid.
[QUOTE=DTreats]I had a hard time understanding what you even meant.
Where=location
How were you taught to shoot?*
I was taught by a old urban dude at my local park, he took me under his wing and all he asked for return was a quick handie after our session.[/QUOTE]
Yeah sorry about that, was too fast writing it.
I mean like what kind of method where you taught to use when shooting, 10 toes to the rim? etc
Also I'm sorry you have to jerk other guys off for basketball lessons.
Taught? I just went to the court and started hoisting up shots, week after week.
[QUOTE=fsvr54]Taught? I just went to the court and started hoisting up shots, week after week.[/QUOTE]
OK, so how do you shoot? What's your technique?
[QUOTE=DTreats]I had a hard time understanding what you even meant.
Where=location
How were you taught to shoot?*
I was taught by a old urban dude at my local park, he took me under his wing [B]and all he asked for return was a quick handie after our session.[/B][/QUOTE]
what??:lol
My pops and in the United States of America. On a basketball court, even.
I started playing ball when I was 3 so.. I didn't initially learn to shoot properly. I couldn't even get the ball to reach 10 feet rims until at least 5, I think. And even then, they were mostly push shots from the shoulder.
Around 7 or 8 is when I got really comfortable with 10 foot hoops. By that time, I had 2 years of club basketball under my belt and strong idea of how I felt comfortable shooting the ball. No one was changing it after that much repetition.
The only time I ever had to alter with my shot was when after I first started lifting in high school. Very minimal changes, though.
So unfortunately I shoot a little like Matt Bonner, except not even close to as accurate.
i had lots of different coaches, each that emphasised a different aspect
shoulders square to the basket, bend your knees, make an 'L' shape with your arm, release straight up, and follow through.
one coach empasised aiming for the inside of the back of the rim, and that helped me a lot.
Coach Kobe taught me that balance is overrated. The only bad shot is the one you didn't take.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster]OK, so how do you shoot? What's your technique?[/QUOTE]
Seems pretty standard to me. I'm not sure how to describe it. I jump and release over my head. My shot is very inconsistent though and I'm not that good. I get hot sometimes though and can drop deep bombs from three.
When I was 7 yrs old I just chucked the ball up there like I was doing shot-put.
Then I started using a smaller ball and also played nerf hoops. I think that stuff helps you have a regular form when you are young.
In the summer before middle school i really worked on my shot and tried to get my form down. It took an hour of shooting every day to get it right.
I don't think you really need a coach though...just look at youtube videos and just know the basics (don't use your palms, use your finger tips...align your right elbow with the basket in front of you, etc)
Self taught at the age of 10 watching Dale Ellis, Glen Rice, Reggie Miller, Drazen Petrovic, Mark Price and Pete Maravichs VHS tapes "Homework Basketball:Shooting". Lots of hours everyday shooting the ball...
By the time i played organized basketball and had a coach i was teaching HIM how to shoot. :D
[QUOTE=IGotACoolStory]My pops and in the United States of America. On a basketball court, even.
I started playing ball when I was 3 so.. I didn't initially learn to shoot properly. I couldn't even get the ball to reach 10 feet rims until at least 5, I think. And even then, they were mostly push shots from the shoulder.
Around 7 or 8 is when I got really comfortable with 10 foot hoops. By that time, I had 2 years of club basketball under my belt and strong idea of how I felt comfortable shooting the ball. No one was changing it after that much repetition.
The only time I ever had to alter with my shot was when after I first started lifting in high school. Very minimal changes, though.
So unfortunately I shoot a little like Matt Bonner, except not even close to as accurate.[/QUOTE]
I was working with a kid this summer, it was minimal and only for about 30 minutes. I wanted to help him because I think he has a shot at going pro if he becomes a good shooter. We didn't do more about it and now I know why, he told one of my players who also plays with him on a different team that he couldn't make "big" changes in his shot at his age.
I've heard it plenty of times before and it's kind of what you're discribing now, "after that much repitition no one is going to change my shot", it's very common. To me though that's like giving up, if after that much repitition you're not close to being a good shooter then what makes you think it's going to change?
[QUOTE]i had lots of different coaches, each that emphasised a different aspect
shoulders square to the basket, bend your knees, make an 'L' shape with your arm, release straight up, and follow through.
[B]one coach empasised aiming for the inside of the back of the rim[/B], and that helped me a lot.[/QUOTE]
That's interesting, I think that is a very good tip. I would actually say just focus inside the middle of the basket, but since you have too look at something that equates to the back of the rim and just a few inches down.
Some of my players who are playing multiple teams are actually being taught on another team to focus on THE FRONT of the rim :banghead:
It just has to increase the chances of going short by a lot doing that. It's the same as throwing a paper ball in a trash can, you'd also look in the middle of the can and not the front.
[QUOTE=pauk]Self taught at the age of 10 watching Dale Ellis, Glen Rice, Reggie Miller, Drazen Petrovic, Mark Price and Pete Maravichs VHS tapes "Homework Basketball:Shooting". Lots of hours everyday shooting the ball...
By the time i played organized basketball and had a coach i was teaching HIM how to shoot. :D[/QUOTE]
Cool
So how do you shoot?
I just learned myself idk. I apparently have the a very ugly shot but it's pretty effective. If i had to compare i just it would look like a combo of Peja and Kevin Martin from like 2k10 when he had the fuc.ked up release lol.
[QUOTE=chips93]shoulders square to the basket, bend your knees, make an 'L' shape with your arm, release straight up, and follow through.
[/QUOTE]I'm pretty much in the same boat. I've been fortunate throughout my life to have many coaches who all more or less stuck to the core basics of shooting (feet square, elbow in, snap wrist, follow through). And contrary to a lot of fellow players, I never really had anyone telling me where to look when I shoot. In fact, I'm still not sure whether I aim toward the front of the rim or back of the rim. I feel like I just aim "in".
Anyhow, I think my biggest derivation from standard shooting form is my wide base. When I was in elementary school I used to try to model my shot after my favorite player (David Robinson) but I realized his J was a little too unconventional for my tastes (seemed like his off hand was on top of the ball). As such, I used his teammate Sean Elliott as my guide. Hence, the wide base and the slightly lower than conventional elevation.
We've had a thread about shooting happening in the Streetball forum for a few weeks, so here's a .gif I contributed over there of me shooting as a sophomore in high school.
[img]http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/237177/jumpersoph.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=ZenMaster]I was working with a kid this summer, it was minimal and only for about 30 minutes. I wanted to help him because I think he has a shot at going pro if he becomes a good shooter. We didn't do more about it and now I know why, he told one of my players who also plays with him on a different team that he couldn't make "big" changes in his shot at his age.
I've heard it plenty of times before and it's kind of what you're discribing now, "after that much repitition no one is going to change my shot", it's very common. To me though that's like giving up, if after that much repitition you're not close to being a good shooter then what makes you think it's going to change?[/QUOTE]
What? I didn't say I was Chuck Hayes. I was efficient from the free throw line (I believe somewhere upwards of 84-ish for my high school career) and "automatic", so to speak, in the mid range. Ironically, since I compared my release to that of Matt Bonner, I admit that my perimeter shooting was not good. Also I'm someone who shoots free throws differently from my flatfooted shot during game action.
I'm in the boat that believes you shoot with what works. Ray Allen's shooting mechanics aren't perfect (it's great, just not classically perfect), but he's consistent with what he does. You pick out two random shots of his in a similar situation and I guarantee the two shots will be exactly the same.
Peja and Redd were great shooters in their heyday, and neither have mechanics you would want to teach a kid.
Now I'm not saying just because you make a few shots, you should try to perfect that technique. There are certainly qualities to take from the so-called "perfect shooting stroke" what will likely to make improvements on any jump shot. I just don't believe you need to shoot with perfect technique to be a good shooter. You don't even necessarily need to attempt to shoot like that to even reach your plateau as a shooter.
Youtube videos.
I shoot approx. 20% from the field.
[QUOTE=Rake2204]I'm pretty much in the same boat. I've been fortunate throughout my life to have many coaches who all more or less stuck to the core basics of shooting (feet square, elbow in, snap wrist, follow through). And contrary to a lot of fellow players, I never really had anyone telling me where to look when I shoot. In fact, I'm still not sure whether I aim toward the front of the rim or back of the rim. I feel like I just aim "in".
Anyhow, I think my biggest derivation from standard shooting form is my wide base. When I was in elementary school I used to try to model my shot after my favorite player (David Robinson) but I realized his J was a little too unconventional for my tastes (seemed like his off hand was on top of the ball). As such, I used his teammate Sean Elliott as my guide. Hence, the wide base and the slightly lower than conventional elevation.
We've had a thread about shooting happening in the Streetball forum for a few weeks, so here's a .gif I contributed over there of me shooting as a sophomore in high school.
[img]http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/237177/jumpersoph.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Nice form! :applause:
Like a grandmother.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster]Cool
So how do you shoot?[/QUOTE]
How good or how the stroke/form/release/jumper looks like?
Stroke is textbook, i made sure it is, looks something like this when i shoot (which is what i consider extremly textbook):
[img]http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1788873_o.gif[/img]
How good, i can firmly say around a 88-95% FT shooter and just a pure shooter overall, dont know my ingame percentage from 3's but i would assume its somewhere 40-50%, in practice / open shots / set shots i hit higher than that and can go in rythm of hitting plenty of them in a row.
Its no braging really, i am just honest, i am a true bball addict that spends up to 8 hours almost everyday mostly just shooting, in rain, in snow, who cares, have warm clothes and am taking a shower later anyways no matter the weather condition, there is a rim and a ball and as long as those work there is no trouble.
Said this many times here before, some didnt believe me, i can record myself shooting and upload the video here if anybody is interested. :)
[QUOTE=pauk]Said this many times here before, some didnt believe me, i can record myself shooting and upload the video here if anybody is interested. :)[/QUOTE]
I am. I started playing basketball at the turn of the year and enjoy watching amateur footage of one on one basketball as well as shooting drills. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RmkzNqATS0]This video[/url] of Steve Nash's workout which he condensed to 20 minutes is great, but it's rare to find something by professionals which is in-depth and has as much variety Nash displayed.
[QUOTE=Rake2204]
[img]http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/237177/jumpersoph.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
LOL at the guy trying to block your shot from 10 feet away.
[QUOTE=neilio23]LOL at the guy trying to block your shot from 10 feet away.[/QUOTE]Hes' trying to distract the shooter. Hands always in the air if you're in the vicinity.
I learned myself . At the begging I went outside and shoot for an hour or two and after some time ( when I started to fell good with my release ) I started shooting untill I hit 100 shoots . I'm very good shooter now but inconsistant ( only when it comes to 3pt shooting ) and I think my shooting form is nice but I'm still working on it . Best tip I got is to aim the back of the rim and I can tell you it helps alot .
[QUOTE=Rake2204]I'm pretty much in the same boat. I've been fortunate throughout my life to have many coaches who all more or less stuck to the core basics of shooting (feet square, elbow in, snap wrist, follow through). And contrary to a lot of fellow players, I never really had anyone telling me where to look when I shoot. In fact, I'm still not sure whether I aim toward the front of the rim or back of the rim. I feel like I just aim "in".
Anyhow, I think my biggest derivation from standard shooting form is my wide base. When I was in elementary school I used to try to model my shot after my favorite player (David Robinson) but I realized his J was a little too unconventional for my tastes (seemed like his off hand was on top of the ball). As such, I used his teammate Sean Elliott as my guide. Hence, the wide base and the slightly lower than conventional elevation.
We've had a thread about shooting happening in the Streetball forum for a few weeks, so here's a .gif I contributed over there of me shooting as a sophomore in high school.
[img]http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/237177/jumpersoph.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Good form but you seem to raise up to shoot almost before even jumping which means you are using your legs/jump leverage to catapult the shot, a so called "push shot" rather than a "jump shot", this is a common thing amongst those who have not strength enough to shoot longrange shots comfortably.... or maybe its just a habit for you by now or maybe it looks like that because you simply dont like more elevation.
It should look like this:
[img]http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/art/sports/links/rayallen_jumpshot.jpg[/img]
Which means, jump before your form is set above, swing your arms up just as you jump, not before... this uses your arms for extra elevation, this gives you a better elevation because you are now using your arms to catapult yourself up instead of only your legs.... and then when you are upstairs you should start shooting the ball at the highest point, release should happen just as you are starting to come down.... now you are only using your arms and armstrength to shoot... and the jump is only for the elevation and should only be used for the elevation like that... not to push the shot...
You see, this is not just a "textbook jumpshot"... this will increase your accuracy to your maximum potential...
Many kids i sometimes coach i get furious at for doing "push shots", they want to immediately start shooting ranged shots, dont have the strength and so have to shoot it like that, i tell them to get under the basket and shoot as i tell them and slowly increase the distance, once your form/jumpshot changes even microscopically then that is your maximum range to you shooting a textbook jumpshot comfortably........
The secret to becoming a pure shooter is to always shoot it the same your entire life, even if its not a textbook looking jumpshot & form (watch Larry Bird).... BUT if you start of with the textbook form & jumpshot and keep it that way you will guaranteed become the best shooter you could possibly ever be.... Thats why i strongly advise the younglings to stick to this form and be patient with the distance they can shoot it from, it comes naturally as you get bigger & stronger... Shooting is kindof scientific that way...
If you want to model/patern a jumpshot from somebody then you should [B]ONLY[/B] watch Ray Allen.... dont care about who your favorite player is.
PS: This is more like a message to others, not only you Rake, i just want to help you become the best you could ever become in the shooting department. But i think you have come to a certain age shooting a certain way and should then NOT change anything, that could mess up your accuracy (The elevation technique you have now is not so bad anyways)... then you will have to kindof start from the beginning, not the entire beginning but anyways...
Self taught. I had retarded coaches in every sport I ever played.
Pete Maravich tapes on youtube, I use to shoot like shawn marion up until the age of 19
[QUOTE=pauk]Good form but you seem to raise up to shoot almost before even jumping which means you are using your legs/jump leverage to catapult the shot, a so called "push shot" rather than a "jump shot", this is a common thing amongst those who have not strength enough to shoot longrange shots comfortably.... or maybe its just a habit for you by now or maybe it looks like that because you simply dont like more elevation.
It should look like this:
[img]http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/art/sports/links/rayallen_jumpshot.jpg[/img]
Which means, jump before your form is set above, swing your arms up just as you jump, not before... this uses your arms for extra elevation, this gives you a better elevation because you are now using your arms to catapult yourself up instead of only your legs.... and then when you are upstairs you should start shooting the ball at the highest point, release should happen just as you are starting to come down.... now you are only using your arms and armstrength to shoot... and the jump is only for the elevation and should only be used for the elevation like that... not to push the shot...
You see, this is not just a "textbook jumpshot"... this will increase your accuracy to your maximum potential...
Many kids i sometimes coach i get furious at for doing "push shots", they want to immediately start shooting ranged shots, dont have the strength and so have to shoot it like that, i tell them to get under the basket and shoot as i tell them and slowly increase the distance, once your form/jumpshot changes even microscopically then that is your maximum range to you shooting a textbook jumpshot comfortably........
The secret to becoming a pure shooter is to always shoot it the same your entire life, even if its not a textbook looking jumpshot & form (watch Larry Bird).... BUT if you start of with the textbook form & jumpshot and keep it that way you will guaranteed become the best shooter you could possibly ever be.... Thats why i strongly advise the younglings to stick to this form and be patient with the distance they can shoot it from, it comes naturally as you get bigger & stronger... Shooting is kindof scientific that way...
If you want to model/patern a jumpshot from somebody then you should [B]ONLY[/B] watch Ray Allen.... dont care about who your favorite player is.
PS: This is more like a message to others, not only you Rake, i just want to help you become the best you could ever become in the shooting department. But i think you have come to a certain age shooting a certain way and should then NOT change anything, that could mess up your accuracy (The elevation technique you have now is not so bad anyways)... then you will have to kindof start from the beginning, not the entire beginning but anyways...[/QUOTE]
Damn, I never knew this, I have to try it out. Isn't it easier to block that way though?
self taught, thru watching vids and improving, my first jumper was ugly as *** lol, now its beautiful
[QUOTE=pauk]How good or how the stroke/form/release/jumper looks like?
Stroke is textbook, i made sure it is, looks something like this when i shoot (which is what i consider extremly textbook):
[img]http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1788873_o.gif[/img]
How good, i can firmly say around a 88-95% FT shooter and just a pure shooter overall, dont know my ingame percentage from 3's but i would assume its somewhere 40-50%, in practice / open shots / set shots i hit higher than that and can go in rythm of hitting plenty of them in a row.
Its no braging really, i am just honest, i am a true bball addict that spends up to 8 hours almost everyday mostly just shooting, in rain, in snow, who cares, have warm clothes and am taking a shower later anyways no matter the weather condition, there is a rim and a ball and as long as those work there is no trouble.
Said this many times here before, some didnt believe me, i can record myself shooting and upload the video here if anybody is interested. :)[/QUOTE]
u said ull record urself many times, but never do
[QUOTE=pauk]Good form but you seem to raise up to shoot almost before even jumping which means you are using your legs/jump leverage to catapult the shot, a so called "push shot" rather than a "jump shot", this is a common thing amongst those who have not strength enough to shoot longrange shots comfortably.... or maybe its just a habit for you by now or maybe it looks like that because you simply dont like more elevation.
[/QUOTE]
Actually if you watch his gif again, and look at the Ray Allen timeline, you'll see that they leave the ground with the ball at approximately the same place in their motion.
Only difference is, Rake was doing a set shot with no dribble. Extremely similar timing.
I was always taught the less moving parts in the air, the better. Its like a machine. The less moving parts there are, the less there is to break, hence the less to patch up, worry about, and have to fix. If you get everything set, just worry about the flick of the wrist.
[QUOTE=pauk]PS: This is more like a message to others, not only you Rake, i just want to help you become the best you could ever become in the shooting department. But i think you have come to a certain age shooting a certain way and should then NOT change anything, that could mess up your accuracy (The elevation technique you have now is not so bad anyways)... then you will have to kindof start from the beginning, not the entire beginning but anyways...[/QUOTE]I appreciate the kind words of advice. And not to negate anything you said, but that clip is from when I was 15, which was approximately 13 years ago. So in terms of diagnosis, it might be a little out of date. There is in fact more elevation on my shot these days, though the form itself I reckon has remained. It has served me very well throughout the years.
As I mentioned in my original post, the stiff/bow-legged fashion of my shot back then was by design. That was my interpretation of how I thought Sean Elliott shot. In reality, there's clearly a number of differences between the two of us, but for reference, this is what I was going for: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1EL38SKyX8#t=1m30s[/url].
Basically my first coach taught me to shoot, you stand 3 feet from basket, hold ball on finger tips of one hand, feet slightly wider than shoulders, bend knees slightly and flick ball in one handed. Eventually introduce support hand, keep the same motion but bend knees more as you go further out.
I'd say Rakes shot is more technically correct in a pure sense than Ray Allen's, as it has no hitch.