F Royce White, Rockets at odds with agreement to help with anxiety over flying

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[QUOTE]HOUSTON

As someone who has OCD too, I know how hard it is to face your fears. I hope has someone he can talk to.

[QUOTE=RRR3]As someone who has OCD too, I know how hard it is to face your fears. I hope has someone he can talk to.[/QUOTE]

What T-Mac memorabilia (jerseys, posters, bobbleheads, etc.) do you own/have you ever owned?

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]What T-Mac memorabilia (jerseys, posters, bobbleheads, etc.) do you own/have you ever owned?[/QUOTE]
Holy random batman! Three jerseys, a few basketball cards.

[QUOTE=RRR3]As someone who has OCD too, I know how hard it is to face your fears. I hope has someone he can talk to.[/QUOTE]

Wow, that makes all the bullying you have to stand while posting on ISH even more horrible..

He's basically found someone to blame rather than face his fears, the rockets. He's going to turn out to be a terrible pick. I get he has problems to work on. He should. I don't get the feeling he is though.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Holy random batman! Three jerseys, a few basketball cards.[/QUOTE]

LOL I like being random and out-of-the-blue.

I used to have two jerseys.

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Which three did you have?

[QUOTE=niko]He's basically found someone to blame rather than face his fears, the rockets. He's going to turn out to be a terrible pick. I get he has problems to work on. He should. I don't get the feeling he is though.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he's not exactly making it better for himself a la posting silly stuff on twitter and doing stuff like this;

[url]http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=229234[/url]

[QUOTE=millwad]Yeah, he's not exactly making it better for himself a la posting silly stuff on twitter and doing stuff like this;

[url]http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=229234[/url][/QUOTE]
To me if he said "im taking this year off to get over what i need to do" i would get that. But the first thing he said was "im going to bus all the time when i need to". That's no solution, that's avoidance. It's like a drug addict, they find people to blame they can't get treatment because they don't want to get better. Im sure he wants to get better, but it would be hard and he is (not conciously) avoiding it. By fighting with the Rockets.

Total waste of a pick.

[QUOTE=niko]To me if he said "im taking this year off to get over what i need to do" i would get that. But the first thing he said was "im going to bus all the time when i need to". That's no solution, that's avoidance. It's like a drug addict, they find people to blame they can't get treatment because they don't want to get better. Im sure he wants to get better, but it would be hard and he is (not conciously) avoiding it. By fighting with the Rockets.

Total waste of a pick.[/QUOTE]

I agree he is avoiding facing his fears etc, but if the Rockets play their cards right and give him what he needs to get his confidence up etc, they will reap the rewards. He is still very young and won't be a waste of a pick if they do what they can to accomodate him.

Just a question, has life traveled pretty smoothly for you? Do you or have you had any disorders of your own...its not a loaded question

[QUOTE=niko]To me if he said "im taking this year off to get over what i need to do" i would get that. But the first thing he said was "im going to bus all the time when i need to". That's no solution, that's avoidance. It's like a drug addict, they find people to blame they can't get treatment because they don't want to get better. Im sure he wants to get better, but it would be hard and he is (not conciously) avoiding it. By fighting with the Rockets.

Total waste of a pick.[/QUOTE]

i sort of remember you saying this in the last royce thread and i mostly disagreed. thought they needed to take baby steps before throwing him in on the 'deep end'.

to me, that isn't the issue now though. if he has truly missed multiple practices, that's a more concerning issue...maybe maturity issues to boot. for a guy who handled so many college games, i don't understand why he would miss practices. airing out his grievances publicly is not a good sign either.

just hope he's genuinely doing what it takes to get better...really liked his game out of college.

While I feel for his disorder, he is going to be out of the league soon if this continues, and maybe that's the best thing for him, maybe he just doesn't belong in the NBA with his disorder.

I wish him the best of luck, but to me it seems like the Rockets are already tired of this.

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if he has truly missed multiple practices, that's a more concerning issue...maybe maturity issues to boot. for a guy who handled so many college games, i don't understand why he would miss practices. airing out his grievances publicly is not a good sign either.

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More than likely it's still the case of his anxiety, the avoidance and irrational decision making. Alot of people understand what it is on the surface, but they don't realize how bad it can really get, can easily lead to other diseases such as depression, which I hope is not what he's going through right now.

Alot of people suffer from this disease, but alot of people also take meds to deal with it, which I believe Royce is against, increasing the difficulty in dealing with this daily. Compound that with the stresses of the NBA life and the natural unsympathetic nature of his peers and you wonder if he's going to make it through the season.

he needs to go play in a small country where you dont have to fly to travel.

maybe go play in greece

[QUOTE=niko]
Total waste of a pick.[/QUOTE]

:coleman:
He was the 16th pick a ton of talent still and we are 2 weeks into the season. Your overreacting.

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Blasphemy. Orlando shoulda been had that #1 retired.

[QUOTE=CLTHornets4eva]:coleman:
He was the 16th pick a ton of talent still and we are 2 weeks into the season. Your overreacting.[/QUOTE]
He has a mental/health issue that will prevent him from doing his job. It looks like a big waste of a pick since none of this was exactly a secret to Houston.

Just looking at how talented he is when he plays the game, this definitely isn't a waste of a pick.

Roll the dice on a 16th pick? You have a 18th pick anyway so whatever....it's very likely they didn't really want anyone else available at that point.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Blasphemy. Orlando shoulda been had that #1 retired.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps so.

I love both players, but T-Mac swagged it out even further.

That #1 on the Orlando pinstripe may be the most pimpinest jersey ever.

if they're just going to send him to D-League, why not just leave him in Houston during away games and just play him during home games? at least he gets to play 50% of the time as opposed to 0%

[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]He has a mental/health issue that will prevent him from doing his job. It looks like a big waste of a pick since none of this was exactly a secret to Houston.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. A mental health issue that is known certainly isn't a waste. If it wasn't known it would be more of a waste. 16th picks are rarely more than role players anyway. If White can get help he can be much more than just a role player.

Am I the only person who thinks this is stupid?

If you can play in front of 30,000 people and get dunked on/blocked which is way "scarier" flying first class drunk on a plane should be literally nothing.

In everything, there is sacrifice. If you want to play in the league, shut the **** up and get on the plane.

Why would Orlando retire Penny's jersey?

[QUOTE=ScalabrineStan]Am I the only person who thinks this is stupid?

If you can play in front of 30,000 people and get dunked on/blocked which is way "scarier" flying first class drunk on a plane should be literally nothing.

In everything, there is sacrifice. If you want to play in the league, shut the **** up and get on the plane.[/QUOTE]
You don't know anything about him or how it feels though..

Just like people have phobias. they arent scared of other things... but they just cant get over their phobia.

At this point the issue isn't really about his anxiety, it's about his lack of professionalism. Dude is on a twitter rampage now.

He is coming off very badly...and it's not because of Houston; it's my take.


Which is not to say he shouldn't get help from the organization or isn't trying.

Royce White needs to find a new line of work. I don't care how callous it sounds. There's a difference between having an anxiety disorder and just being a narcissist.

[QUOTE=Rekindled]he needs to go play in a small country where you dont have to fly to travel.

maybe go play in greece[/QUOTE]
how would he get there

While I respect his difficulties, it's just not smart to deal with this from a management perspective.

He's just not cut out for the NBA life, despite his superb basketball skills.

I've said this before but as an anxiety disorder sufferer I know what he's going through from that standpoint. I've routed for him but also kind of thought that the odds are definitely very much against him and as such i'd be surprised for him to make it in the long term. I think at the end of the day it's not the Rockets fault, he just bit off more than he could chew and it's overwhelming for him. At the end of the day, yes we all want and desire equal opportunities but it's in the job description. If I can't walk, I would complain about my employer if I apply for a job as a professional runner. I'm sorry but i'm losing my sympathy for him a little bit. I do hope he gets better but somethings gotta give.

[QUOTE=I<3NBA]if they're just going to send him to D-League, why not just leave him in Houston during away games and just play him during home games? at least he gets to play 50% of the time as opposed to 0%[/QUOTE]

What a great message to send to the rest of the team who's available for every game.. "Hey guys, Royce only has to play half of your games, he'll make 2 dollars when you're making 1.... Have a great 7 game road trip!"

Oh and there's nothing to suggest he would be playing even though he was on the roster as he hasn't really so far.

I think it's obvious why Royce White wants to stay in the league. It's tough but it's a lot of money. He knows that it's his meal ticket if he can even just stay on an NBA roster. That being said, I think he needs to strongly consider his career choices. Money isn't everything, his mental health should be a top priority. As such, he shouldn't hold the franchise hostage. He should take some time to see if he can get to a point where he can handle that schedule and if he can't, well it's tough but he needs to walk away.

[QUOTE=bokes15]I think it's obvious why Royce White wants to stay in the league. It's tough but it's a lot of money. He knows that it's his meal ticket if he can even just stay on an NBA roster.[/QUOTE]
Actually it seems like he doesn't care enough (obviously he should), or he makes it seem that way. He hasn't made many efforts to work on his game, hasn't seemed to reach out to his teammates, hell on his twitter he describes himself as "Humanitarian, Writer, Entrepreneur, Director and Imaginer. " No NBA player description...? Dunno...

[QUOTE=shoops]Actually it seems like he doesn't care enough (obviously he should), or he makes it seem that way. He hasn't made many efforts to work on his game, hasn't seemed to reach out to his teammates, hell on his twitter he describes himself as "Humanitarian, Writer, Entrepreneur, Director and Imaginer. " No NBA player description...? Dunno...[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's true, didn't think of that. If I wanted to keep from getting fired from my job the very least i'd do is make an effort on my end to show them that i'm trying to meet them half way as much as possible.

Wtf...this isn't OCD unless it's talking about two separate disorders. The fear of flying is a phobia or at the very most Generalized Anxiety Disorder. However, it got me thinking...it would be crazy is someone who actually had OCD and had thoughts that led to compulsive three point shooting and couldn't stop until they had the "perfect" release. Hahaha...they would shoot the highest percentage ever...then again, they would be useless at everything else.

Back on Royce...either way, there is some highly effective therapy for all types of anxiety disorders as well as some mood stabilizers he could take. This is an instance of him either not trusting therapy, or simply not caring enough to try.

[quote=shoops]hell on his twitter he describes himself as "Humanitarian, Writer, Entrepreneur, Director and Imaginer. " No NBA player description...? Dunno...[/quote]this is what scared me off during the draft way more than the anxiety stuff. look up the way he left Minnesota, dude made an art film out of it. look up the stuff about how he's more interested in being a music producer.

he plays basketball because he's good at it, not because he likes it. that's the biggest red flag there is.

[QUOTE=Dbrog]Wtf...this isn't OCD unless it's talking about two separate disorders. The fear of flying is a phobia or at the very most Generalized Anxiety Disorder. However, it got me thinking...it would be crazy is someone who actually had OCD and had thoughts that led to compulsive three point shooting and couldn't stop until they had the "perfect" release. Hahaha...they would shoot the highest percentage ever...then again, they would be useless at everything else.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how they use all of those terms interchangably. :oldlol: But "general anxiety disorder" was his diagnosis. Now OCD, PTSD, SAD, etc... are all branches off that same tree. According to him he has General Anxiety disorder along with Social Anxiety and "a little bit" of OCD type of symptoms. So for him it's more than just a flying phobia I think.

[QUOTE=bokes15]It's funny how they use all of those terms interchangably. :oldlol: But "general anxiety disorder" was his diagnosis. Now OCD, PTSD, SAD, etc... are all branches off that same tree. According to him he has General Anxiety disorder along with Social Anxiety and "a little bit" of OCD type of symptoms. So for him it's more than just a flying phobia I think.[/QUOTE]

Good to know. I feel bad for him since GAD is probably the hardest of all of them to "fix," but still...if he's compliant with his meds and does some type of outpatient therapy, he should be able to get this to a manageable level relatively quickly (meaning it could still take a year..at most 2 :( ).

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]this is what scared me off during the draft way more than the anxiety stuff. look up the way he left Minnesota, dude made an art film out of it. look up the stuff about how he's more interested in being a music producer.

he plays basketball because he's good at it, not because he likes it. that's the biggest red flag there is.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Yeah, I only saw those things after he was drafted, pretty big red flags I guess. Of course it was kinda downplayed before draft day, but right now it seems like the whole situation won't end well, a lose lose situation...

[QUOTE=Dbrog]Good to know. I feel bad for him since GAD is probably the hardest of all of them to "fix," but still...if he's compliant with his meds and does some type of outpatient therapy, he should be able to get this to a manageable level relatively quickly (meaning it could still take a year..at most 2 :( ).[/QUOTE]
Yes it is. For someone with just a phobia, they know exactly what their triggers are and can just work on gradual exposure (or flooding in some cases) until they lose that fear completely. But for someone with GAD, there's a lot of triggers and overall more time and care is required in getting their overly sensitized nervous system down to it's normal functioning levels.