Wow. Just... wow. This must be a new NBA record, right? :wtf:
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Wow. Just... wow. This must be a new NBA record, right? :wtf:
Obviously these threads are getting old and I despise the Lakers. But watching this game, it's painful to see who Kobe has to play with. It's awful. If he didn't score 30, all it would mean is they would just lose by more.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=281924[/url]
OMG OMG OP is on to something. D'Antoni should just sit Kobe when he had 29 and the Lakers would have come back from an 18 point deficit!!
[QUOTE=Graviton][url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=281924[/url][/QUOTE]
:roll: OP is a mark ass.
anyways, these threads are getting old, Kobe is clearly not the problem, not even close.
:sleeping
obviously not kobe's fault just a record the media has to show for discussion
only sheep eat it up like OP
You are a horrible excuse for a fan. Get the hell out of here you worthless piece of shit. These threads are horrible just like you are. You know nothing about basketball. Kill your self now.
Yep world record.
That Kobe, always wanting to break every kind of record.
Recordbreakingbe.
I haven't been a Lakers fan since Shaq left, but these losses are really making me sick to my stomach.
Kobe Jordan on suicide watch starting tonight. If they lose to the Wizards tomorrow. Oh boy.
Pretty much a meaningless stat.
[QUOTE=Apogee]You are a horrible excuse for a fan. Get the hell out of here you worthless piece of shit. These threads are horrible just like you are. You know nothing about basketball. Kill your self now.[/QUOTE]
You got issues bro
Kobe scoring 30 has nothing to do with why the Lakers lost. Fact.
it shud be lakers 1-11 when none but kobe shows up
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]D'Antoni should just sit Kobe when he had 29 and the Lakers would have come back from an 18 point deficit!![/QUOTE]
This!
[QUOTE=bmulls]You got issues bro[/QUOTE]
I just really really hate bandwagon fans and hes a prime example of one.
12 30+ point games for Kobe :applause:
[QUOTE=RapsFan]Obviously these threads are getting old and I despise the Lakers. But watching this game,[B] it's [SIZE="4"]painful[/SIZE] to see who Kobe has to play with. It's awful.[/B] If he didn't score 30, all it would mean is they would just lose by more.[/QUOTE]
Is this a gimmick account? As a Raptor fan there are just certain things that you just shouldn't say. I mean really?
Their fourth best player is better than anybody in your entire 19 year franchise history. I mean Kobe nearly beat your whole team himself. Are you hooked on painkillers and ran out? Wow.
this stat means nothing no one else can score
[QUOTE=Pointguard]Is this a gimmick account? As a Raptor fan there are just certain things that you just shouldn't say. I mean really?
Their fourth best player is better than anybody in your entire 19 year history. I mean Kobe nearly beat your whole team himself. Are you hooked on painkillers and ran out? Wow.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure prime Vince Carter is better than old Artest/Jamison. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Pointguard]Is this a gimmick account? As a Raptor fan there are just certain things that you just shouldn't say. I mean really?
Their fourth best player is better than anybody in your entire 19 year franchise history. I mean Kobe nearly beat your whole team himself. Are you hooked on painkillers and ran out? Wow.[/QUOTE]
Vince Carter and Chris Bosh were better than old Pau Gasol (fourth best player), but Pau and Nash were not even in the game, so were talking about Artest or Jamison, being their fourth best player.
Scrub team.
Dude attempts to move the ball and Duhon and Meeks brick the wide open jumpers. He might as well shoot himself.
Howard gets denied too easily, they need to run some high pick and roll to ease him up.
:facepalm looks like we will have 81 threads like this till the end of the season.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Vince Carter and Chris Bosh were better than old Pau Gasol (fourth best player), but Pau and Nash were not even in the game, so were talking about Artest or Jamison, being their fourth best player.[/QUOTE]
Just don't think either could affect a finals like Gasol did. Gasol is just not featured now, but he was considered better than Bosh three years ago for sure. And would be much better on Miami than Bosh has ever been right now. Gasol plays better defense by far, passes way better, plays the pivot much better, can anchor the post on both sides of the ball, plays smarter and has a winning way about him.
Vince is not making the HOF. He might but Pau is in there.
same situation as the season with Smuch and Kwame. Kobe scores a lot, they didn't make the playoffs and a bunch of people got traded
I hate Kobe but he didn't lose the game tonight.
Dwight is just awful lately. He has no lift. Must still be recovering from surgery.
Lakers are old and broken.
About the 20th different thread bringing up the exact same stat. Must be some sort of record.
I think this stat just kinda goes back to the problems with flow and ball movement that the Lakers are constantly having on offense. Kobe's going through his hero ball stretches sooner and sooner, and the result is that's more time where it's just 4 players standing around and doing nothing while Kobe isos.
That doesn't equate winning basketball. The fact that Kobe's able to make some of the insane shots that he takes to close the gap is a testamet to him as a player but you can only get so far when that's essentially your second-half offense. Defenses, in general, are too wise to let that one tactic single-handedly beat them these days.
Not having Pau for the last few games doesn't do LA any favors since at least tonight, I think Dwight touched the ball once on offense in the 4th (and it was by accident after a pass slipped through Eubanks' hands). I can only assume that means they're losing trust in him in the 4th since teams will just hack him. It really strains the offense and with the drop-off in talent after that, you're left with a bit of a trainwreck.
There is at least SOME validity to the stat, as much as people want to deny it.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]12 30+ point games for Kobe :applause:[/QUOTE]
9-14 record.
KevinLoveBe :bowdown:
[QUOTE=Pointguard]Is this a gimmick account? As a Raptor fan there are just certain things that you just shouldn't say. I mean really?
Their fourth best player is better than anybody in your entire 19 year franchise history. I mean Kobe nearly beat your whole team himself. Are you hooked on painkillers and ran out? Wow.[/QUOTE]
:wtf:
Prime Vince Carter and Chris Bosh are easily better than current Nash and Gasol... and if were counting right now ? Yes, better than anybody not named Kobe and Howard and even between them I would debate it.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]:wtf:
Prime Vince Carter and Chris Bosh are easily better than current Nash and Gasol... and if were counting right now ? Yes, better than anybody not named Kobe and Howard and even between them I would debate it.[/QUOTE]
You're either lying or crazy if you think watching Toronto for 19 years would lead you to call Gasol or Nash awful. No way are Carter or Bosh best moments in the same breadth of Nash or Gasol's - not even remotely close. We know what Nash and Gasol can do on a big stage and perhaps can still do them. We know they can turn a series around or even be a main reason why they win it all. We can't tell now, because the team is in disarray. Gasol isn't going to shine being the second big man behind DH while Kobe, is the main ball handler and he's averaging about three assist per game and taking more shots than DH and Gasol combined a lot of the time. Bosh can't thrive with both Lebron and Wade both averaging over 5 assist per game while being the featured big man.
[QUOTE=Pointguard]You're either lying or crazy if you think watching Toronto for 19 years would lead you to call Gasol or Nash awful. No way are Carter or Bosh best moments in the same breadth of Nash or Gasol's - not even remotely close. We know what Nash and Gasol can do on a big stage and perhaps can still do them. We know they can turn a series around or even be a main reason why they win it all. We can't tell now, because the team is in disarray. Gasol isn't going to shine being the second big man behind DH while Kobe, is the main ball handler and he's averaging about three assist per game and taking more shots than DH and Gasol combined a lot of the time. Bosh can't thrive with both Lebron and Wade both averaging over 5 assist per game while being the featured big man.[/QUOTE]
First of all, it's 18 years. 1995-present.
Second, I'm talking about Nash and Gasol RIGHT NOW are awful from what we've seen. I've watched the Lakers all year (Nash I'll excuse, because of the injury but he certainly wasn't playing good). I thought you were talking about these current Lakers as they are now vs the Primes of Carter and Bosh. They aren't better if that's what your implying and yes I would take prime Carter over prime Gasol.
And what was Gasol's record before joining the Lakers in the playoffs ? Almost no difference from Chris Bosh's record with the Raptors. Bosh on the Lakers in 09 and 10 would probably have lead to chips too.
I think a big part of the problem is having so many stars on a team with kobe shooting as much as ever and others llike pau and dwight shootin a lot less so these big stars are probably unhappy and then kobe throws them under the bus
Kobe = MOAT, sorry to say kobestans.
But if he can't lead this superstar team to the playoffs or even above six seed it just goes to show how overrated as a leader and defender he really is.
[QUOTE=KG215]That "The Lakers are 1 and whatever when Kobe scores 30 or more" stat is going to be even more meaningless if Kobe makes one more garbage time bucket in the final two minutes with his team down double digits. But I'm sure some moron will start a new thread about it.[/QUOTE]
Congrats swi7ch, you have won the KG215 "some moron" award!
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]OMG OMG OP is on to something. D'Antoni should just sit Kobe when he had 29 and the Lakers would have come back from an 18 point deficit!![/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
The Lakers are 1-11 in those games because the team sucks ass. This is a stupid stat and it doesn't mean anything, other than the Lakers would've gotten blown out by a larger margin if Kobe didn't score 30.
[QUOTE=Nash]:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
OP has a legit point.
Many ball hoggers such as Iverson, Chamberlain, and yes, even Jordan, have failed to consistently win based on scoring.
It is when they utilize their energies for other important aspects of the game (defense, assist, smart basketball, blocks, steals, etc.) they were able to integrate their teammates in the game and build team chemistry.
Shot chucking hurts team chemistry, so it is not too far fetch to hypothesize Kobe's absymal win record is a result of his shot chucking ways.
[B]It takes a team to win a game, not one person, and if that person is too selfish to get the team involve and they end up with a losing record, then it is their selfishness that is to be blame, not the team.[/B]
This is a tough concept to grasp because individual stats look good for the person who is chucking up the shots. If you take 30+ shots and make 40% of it, all the fanboys will see 30+ and jizz in their pants and say you are doing your job, but what they fail to realize is those shots don't mean jack if other guys are not involved and that team play is much more important than individual numbers, and especially if those shots mean the defense is going to get worst, then the overall evaluation of a player should also take that into consideration.
[B]
Scoring is only 1 small aspect of the game; defense, assist, hustle, team chemistry, etc. makes up over 90% of the qualities of a player that takes to win[/B].
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]OP has a legit point.
Many ball hoggers such as Iverson, Chamberlain, and yes, even Jordan, have failed to consistently win based on scoring.
It is when they utilize their energies for other important aspects of the game (defense, assist, smart basketball, blocks, steals, etc.) they were able to integrate their teammates in the game and build team chemistry.
Shot chucking hurts team chemistry, so it is not too far fetch to hypothesize Kobe's absymal win record is a result of his shot chucking ways.
[B]It takes a team to win a game, not one person, and if that person is too selfish to get the team involve and they end up with a losing record, then it is their selfishness that is to be blame, not the team.[/B]
This is a tough concept to grasp because individual stats look good for the person who is chucking up the shots. If you take 30+ shots and make 40% of it, all the fanboys will see 30+ and jizz in their pants and say you are doing your job, but what they fail to realize is those shots don't mean jack if other guys are not involved and that team play is much more important than individual numbers, and especially if those shots mean the defense is going to get worst, then the overall evaluation of a player should also take that into consideration.
[B]
Scoring is only 1 small aspect of the game; defense, assist, hustle, team chemistry, etc. makes up over 90% of the qualities of a player that takes to win[/B].[/QUOTE]
according to the bold part you didn't watch most of Lakers games this season.
[quote=IamRAMBO24]OP has a legit point.
Many ball hoggers such as Iverson, Chamberlain, and yes, even Jordan, have failed to consistently win based on scoring.
It is when they utilize their energies for other important aspects of the game (defense, assist, smart basketball, blocks, steals, etc.) they were able to integrate their teammates in the game and build team chemistry.
Shot chucking hurts team chemistry, so it is not too far fetch to hypothesize Kobe's absymal win record is a result of his shot chucking ways.
[B]It takes a team to win a game, not one person, and if that person is too selfish to get the team involve and they end up with a losing record, then it is their selfishness that is to be blame, not the team.[/B]
This is a tough concept to grasp because individual stats look good for the person who is chucking up the shots. If you take 30+ shots and make 40% of it, all the fanboys will see 30+ and jizz in their pants and say you are doing your job, but what they fail to realize is those shots don't mean jack if other guys are not involved and that team play is much more important than individual numbers, and especially if those shots mean the defense is going to get worst, then the overall evaluation of a player should also take that into consideration.
[B]
Scoring is only 1 small aspect of the game; defense, assist, hustle, team chemistry, etc. makes up over 90% of the qualities of a player that takes to win[/B].[/quote]
History also shows that guys like Wilt, MJ and Kobe won multiple rings by leading the team in scoring.
Also, you act like Kobe is taking a ridiculous amount of shots compared to MJ and Wilt that would hinder the team.
Kobe's FGA this year is basically the same and consistent as the years he went back to back.
The only difference, his teammates are playing like crap. It's not like he's averaging 40 or 50 points a game where his teammates can't get involved.