[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL4pREERbcA[/url]
Thoughts on the validity of this conspiracy?
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL4pREERbcA[/url]
Thoughts on the validity of this conspiracy?
[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL4pREERbcA[/url]
Thoughts on the validity of this conspiracy?[/QUOTE]
damn i dont know how to respond to that.lol....i mean i think the video is a little exaggerated.innocent kids were killed we have facts to prove that.but idk...idk.lol
there is seriously a conspiracy for everything. There's still people out there who believe the Holocaust didn't happen
[QUOTE=NBA4EVER]there is seriously a conspiracy for everything. There's still people out there who believe the Holocaust didn't happen[/QUOTE]
There books even written about it. I think it happened but i dont trust the numbers.
Okay but seriously... this really creeps me out.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urrRcgB581w[/url]
What the f*ck is this?
is this real life?
Did I just see what I think I saw.
Somebody please tell me what just happened there.
[QUOTE=fiddy] I think it happened[/QUOTE]
:coleman: Are you serious?
[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]
Thoughts on the validity of this conspiracy?[/QUOTE]
Is this a serious question?
[QUOTE=NBA4EVER]there is seriously a conspiracy for everything. There's still people out there who believe the Holocaust didn't happen[/QUOTE]
The validity of the use of gas chambers and the numbers have been seriously put into question by legitimate historians and experts. Only skinheads and morons say "The Holocaust didn't happen" but the real question is "What is the Holocaust?". In many countries, including my own, Canada, you can be arrested and deported for daring to question it. That should tell you all you need to know about the issue.
[QUOTE=Riddler]Okay but seriously... this really creeps me out.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urrRcgB581w[/url]
What the f*ck is this?
is this real life?
Did I just see what I think I saw.
Somebody please tell me what just happened there.[/QUOTE]
ya this is pretty strange. You can clearly tell he's trying to get himself 'into character' before he started speaking
This is quite silly though. The fact that "Sandy Hook" appears on a map in The Dark Knight Rises is pure coincidence, and why would the conspirators risk these lazy people putting that together anyway?
"Hey, we're trying to systematically disarm the country to empower our New World Order by faking shooting tragedies. But, just for fun, let's leave little hints in this blockbuster film because...well because it's fun."
And the reptiles proceed to laugh in unison in their underground lair. Sons of bitches.
We saw with Casey Anthony that people grieve in very different ways. Some people want to laugh and try to be as upbeat as possible in order to spare themselves the suffering of a lost loved one. Again, that piece of "evidence" means nothing.
[QUOTE=Riddler]Okay but seriously... this really creeps me out.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urrRcgB581w[/url]
What the f*ck is this?
is this real life?
Did I just see what I think I saw.
Somebody please tell me what just happened there.[/QUOTE]
that looks much worse than it really is I am sure, people act very strange both in front of cameras and during crazy tragedy, you're just not the same person, and everyone acts different when something that emotonial happens.
the alternative is that EVERYONE in that room is in on it, and that EVERYONE involved with the school and shooting is an actor as well, which is absolutely absurd and impossible to believe...
[QUOTE=NBA4EVER]ya this is pretty strange. You can clearly tell he's trying to get himself 'into character' before he started speaking[/QUOTE]
No, no he's not.
Not everyone grieves in exactly the same way. Many people do stuff like this in moments of grief to try and dissociate themselves from the powerful emotions that are about to overcome them, or just when they're nervous (he's about to be broadcast world wide). Go to a funeral some time. You'll see people acting in all sorts of different ways. They're not part of some larger conspiracy.
There's nothing to this. At all. It's stupid. Anyone who attempts to prove this is some sort of conspiracy is an idiot. Period, end of story.
I'll watch the video but I'll give my view. Our government has created public disasters before, there's no greater way to suppress the people by creating a horrible incident to convince the people that a change is needed. Action-reaction, if the government has a problem with a certain issue just create a huge mess in which the government can easily suppress the issue without anyone objecting. Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, 9/11, etc
Are the gun shooting incidents in Denver and in Sandy part of a plan to ban gun control?
Oh BTW, there's an interesting theory on the Denver dude.. If I can find it I'll try to post it here, it has to do with Bankers lol..
[QUOTE=RaininThrees]No, no he's not.
Not everyone grieves in exactly the same way. Many people do stuff like this in moments of grief to try and dissociate themselves from the powerful emotions that are about to overcome them, or just when they're nervous (he's about to be broadcast world wide). Go to a funeral some time. You'll see people acting in all sorts of different ways. They're not part of some larger conspiracy.
There's nothing to this. At all. It's stupid. Anyone who attempts to prove this is some sort of conspiracy is an idiot. Period, end of story.[/QUOTE]
Go away.
This is obviously a thread for conspiracy theorists. If you don't like what is being said here, then stfu and go talk about Lindsay Lohan getting arrested again for being a dumb b*tch with no friends who can give her a ride. It's all in the headlines. I mean if you only believe what you are being told, then I'm sure that is something that is important for you to ponder on.
Leave us alone. We hate your kind around here.
I'm sorry but that is the lamest most poor excuse explanation for something so f*ckin obvious. Dude are you really that dense ... seriously, that is stage acting at it's finest.
That is not the only proof of acting; you got that one girl who was completely oblivious to it all and acted like there was no shooting, and then there's the 2 doctors who look like FBI agents. If I can find the videos, I'll dig it up.
I would expect more emotions coming out of the people actually on the scene rather than the parents who were just probably afraid their kids were shot. Revisit the old videos, it looks like some of them don't even give a sh*t. And these are kids 6-7 years old.
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Go away.
This is obviously a thread for conspiracy theorists. If you don't like what is being said here, then stfu and go talk about Lindsay Lohan getting arrested again for being a dumb b*tch with no friends who can give her a ride. It's all in the headlines. I mean if you only believe what you are being told, then I'm sure that is something that is important for you to ponder on.
Leave us alone. We hate your kind around here.[/QUOTE]
My kind?
The rational kind?
[QUOTE=RaininThrees]My kind?
The rational kind?[/QUOTE]
No.
The dense kind. The kind that doesn't see things a bit deeper and just goes along with what is being told. You have a brain dude, use it.
You're not even being rational; you're just being a brain washed self medicated sheep, y'know, the kind that just accepts all truths coming out of the news media and government.
If it's not "official" then it is not true; but really, if you are smart, you will know what is usually true is really the opposite of what is official.
To take a position of authority and proclaim there is no conspiracy is really operating from a position of ignorance. Why ..
[B]One simple reason: you don't know every government secret out there, so how do you know for sure there is no conspiracy ..
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At least the conspiracy theorists start with a rational premise of they don't know for sure, so let's start with the hypotheticals.
Think for yourself...question authority.
I'm open to most conspiracy theories, but this shit about the government staging these shootings is way out there. Is the government exploiting these tragedies to push their gun control agenda? Most likely, but I don't think they're staging these shootings. That's really far fetched imo.
The government is shady as f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck though. Why anyone trusts them is beyond me.
This one sold me.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYQDMgjEvIU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYQDMgjEvIU[/URL]
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]
[B]One simple reason: you don't know every government secret out there, so how do you know for sure there is no conspiracy ..
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ugh.
The perfect conspiracy nut question. You can't prove something doesn't exist, so there's no answer, which validates the wingnut position.
[QUOTE=RaininThrees]Ugh.
The perfect conspiracy nut question. You can't prove something doesn't exist, so there's no answer, which validates the wingnut position.[/QUOTE]
I don't necessarily believe in the conspiracy theory but I don't trust our government.. never.
We have a brutal foreign policy and the military does some brutal stuff overseas, I wouldn't doubt that the government is pushing hard for gun control as you can't have a police state with an armed population..
[QUOTE=knickballer]I don't necessarily believe in the conspiracy theory but I don't trust our government.. never.
We have a brutal foreign policy and the military does some brutal stuff overseas, I wouldn't doubt that the government is pushing hard for gun control as you can't have a police state with an armed population..[/QUOTE]
Even if true, do you [I]actually[/I] think the government would kill 20 frickin CHILDREN to push this agenda?
I mean, let's use our brains here, people.
so if this is fake then what happened to the kids that actually died?
[QUOTE=RaininThrees]Even if true, do you [I]actually[/I] think the government would kill 20 frickin CHILDREN to push this agenda?
I mean, let's use our brains here, people.[/QUOTE]
It's harsh but it makes the emotions that much more intense and it pushes their agenda even further.. It seems to be working as well?
But there's also a bizarre theory that no kids were murdered and it was all stage.
[QUOTE=NBA4EVER]so if this is fake then what happened to the kids that actually died?[/QUOTE]
It could be two things
1) The shootings did happen but the killer could have been brainwashed to go batshit on those poor kids..
2) The whole thing could have been staged with actors and stuff. I just saw that theory with the OP's link and with some other youtube videos.
[QUOTE=knickballer]It could be two things
1) The shootings did happen but the killer could have been brainwashed to go batshit on those poor kids..
[B]2) The whole thing could have been staged with actors and stuff. I just saw that theory with the OP's link and with some other youtube videos.[/B][/QUOTE]
This seems to be the main theory. But what I'm saying is, how can you stage these kids as actors? Their pictures have been shown on every single news channel and online articles. They can't just be actors
[QUOTE=RaininThrees]Even if true, do you [I]actually[/I] think the government would kill 20 frickin CHILDREN to push this agenda?
I mean, let's use our brains here, people.[/QUOTE]
It's far fetched, but the government has no moral values, so I wouldn't completely rule it out.
I think the most realistic theory is that the government is just exploiting this tragedy to push their agenda. Staging the shooting just seems like it would be nearly impossible to pull off.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]It's far fetched, but the government has no moral values, so I wouldn't completely rule it out.
I think the most realistic theory is that the government is just exploiting this tragedy to push their agenda. Staging the shooting just seems like it would be nearly impossible to pull off.[/QUOTE]
Sure they're using it to push an agenda. And that's their right. They certainly weren't involved in killing these kids.
A few things that don't add up to me when considering the possibility of this being a conspiracy.
1. Why would they pick a place that appears in The Dark Knight Rises to deliberately drop a hint and raise suspicion on their scheme?
2. If the father was an actor, surely he would have been prepped and trained to be as stoic as possible. Why would he jeopardize blowing his cover by laughing? Clearly he was just simply a man trying to adjust and clear the sadness out of his head before he spoke.
3. Gun control is a very slow process, and shootings cause more guns to be pumped into society. All that's being talked about in government right now is the banning of assault rifles, not guns altogether.
[QUOTE=NBA4EVER]so if this is fake then what happened to the kids that actually died?[/QUOTE]
It's not that the deaths are fake. It's that the shooter's guilt is a fake. The hoax theory suggests is that the government orchestrated the whole thing.
[QUOTE=RaininThrees]Ugh.
The perfect conspiracy nut question. You can't prove something doesn't exist, so there's no answer, which validates the wingnut position.[/QUOTE]
Nut?
It is a position of rationality: if you do not know every secret within in the US government, then how can you proclaim there are no conspiracies?
A conspiracy is digging for answers; it is a position of not knowing (which is the logical correct position); it is asking questions because it sees anamolies. It is rational and logical.
Your position, [I][B]"OH HELL NAWZ, YOU CAN'T BE QUESTIONING!!"[/B][/I] is retarded, ignorant, illogical, and plain out stupid.
Your premise is wrong. Not knowing and asking further questions is the logical position because, guess what, we don't know sh*t.
If these rampant conspiracy theories prove anything it's that people are becoming more and more distrustful of government. Whether you want to look at poor economic times or other factors it's up to you, but the reaction certainly is telling.
That's the best thing about this recent 2012 paranoia bullshit. At least it will be definitively proven to be absolutely insane on December 21st (or maybe by the New Year depending on how stupid your opinion on the subject is).
So we have a few clowns here crying conspiracy, but can you people honestly answer the most important question that is about to be thrown to you? Are you ready?
You say it's a conspiracy. And I ask you, for what purpose???
Please do not respond back with Gun Control. The 2nd Amendment will live on forever. There are too many guns in the hands of many good Americans to threaten with a crooked government.
[QUOTE=Mr Know It All]This is quite silly though. The fact that "Sandy Hook"[B] appears on a map in The Dark Knight Rises is pure [B]coincidence[/B][/B], [/QUOTE]
"You're a detective now. ... You don't have room to believe in coincidence"
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]"You're a detective now. ... You don't have room to believe in coincidence"[/QUOTE]
:applause:
When it comes down to conspiracy theories, I always weigh the risk vs. reward. What would the government gain from such an incident, and what is the risk if people find out.
The truth is, in almost every recent conspiracy theory, the risks simply outweigh rewards. For example, the government could use this tragedy at Sandy Hook to implement more gun control over it's citizens... but if this plot were ever discovered, the country would literally rip itself apart. If word that our government murdered 27 innocent people including 20 children as a political plow, the country would fall straight into a civil war.
this is one of the dumbest things ive ever heard of
shame on all those that think its true, more shame on those making the initial claims
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]This one sold me.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYQDMgjEvIU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYQDMgjEvIU[/URL][/QUOTE]
such bullshit :facepalm
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Nut?
It is a position of rationality: if you do not know every secret within in the US government, then how can you proclaim there are no conspiracies?
A conspiracy is digging for answers; it is a position of not knowing (which is the logical correct position); it is asking questions because it sees anamolies. It is rational and logical.
Your position, [I][B]"OH HELL NAWZ, YOU CAN'T BE QUESTIONING!!"[/B][/I] is retarded, ignorant, illogical, and plain out stupid.
Your premise is wrong. Not knowing and asking further questions is the logical position because, guess what, we don't know sh*t.[/QUOTE]
Where did I say you shouldn't question? Sure you should. But when you look you look at this situation you'll see there is nothing there. Nothing, except a f*cked up kid who took his Mom's guns and went a shot a bunch of innocent kids. F*cked up sh!t happens in this world, and it's not always a conspiracy.
Like I get it... creating conspiracy theories is really no different than creating religion. Religion puts everything in order in a very chaotic world. It puts people's mind at ease... the idea that there is some divine plan for us laid out by a supernatural being is so much easier for the human mind to come to terms with than it is for us to think that we're part of this chaotic universe where things happen for seemingly no reason at all.
Conspiracies are the same. It's easier for the mind to grasp that this was some large planned event that some anonymous great minds have perfectly shaped, rather than that this was some random event perpetrated by some messed up individual that could have happened to anyone (or anyone's kids) at any point in time.
Sometimes there are no answers as to 'why'. Sorry, pal.
[QUOTE=Mr Know It All]If these rampant conspiracy theories prove anything it's that people are becoming more and more distrustful of government. Whether you want to look at poor economic times or other factors it's up to you, but the reaction certainly is telling.
That's the best thing about this recent 2012 paranoia bullshit. At least it will be definitively proven to be absolutely insane on December 21st (or maybe by the New Year depending on how stupid your opinion on the subject is).[/QUOTE]
I think these people have always existed, it's just that the internet gives them the power to voice their opinions, and more people to connect to to re-affirm their messed up ideas.
Before the internet you'd have to tune into some late night Sci-Fi channel conspiracy show to get your fix. Now you can log on to any number of websites and get re-affirmation at any moment.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]So we have a few clowns here crying conspiracy, but can you people honestly answer the most important question that is about to be thrown to you? Are you ready?
[B]You say it's a conspiracy. And I ask you, for what purpose???[/B]
Please do not respond back with Gun Control. The 2nd Amendment will live on forever. There are too many guns in the hands of many good Americans to threaten with a crooked government.[/QUOTE]
thats a logical question i ask every conspiracy, whats the motive? they never have one, which is why i know there delusional, immature minds.
its sad how gullible people are, using one persons emotions 4 days after the murder to determine if the whole event is a hoax, is beyond stupid. When did we start thinking without a reasonable doubt and just jump to conclusions? do you know that the dad that is smiling and preparing, is also preparing to address on live national television about his family? like everyone could go on live national television and speak about a tragedy that effected there family without getting ready to.
and the coroner that is smiling. you think coroners are effected by deaths? they see dead bodys everyday, so they would not be emotionally desturbed, and a again, to be infront of 10 cameras and to address the entire nation live, could make you crack a smile since your not use to the attention
all these reasons are definitely more rational to believe then the government pulling a hoax for an unknown motive.:facepalm
if we applied conspiracy theorists thought process in our justice system, 95 percent of all prisoners would truely be innocent.