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I haven't heard 4 handguns before. I thought they were saying he actually took the rifle with him and it was a shotgun they found in the trunk.
This rapid style media is a mess.
[QUOTE=miller-time]I haven't heard 4 handguns before. I thought they were saying he actually took the rifle with him and it was a shotgun they found in the trunk.
This rapid style media is a mess.[/QUOTE]
BTW... if you want to see Piers Morgan get completely owned by some guy I've never heard of... watch this video:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdhAm_oUUs[/url]
[B]COMPLETE: Ben Shapiro CUTS Piers Morgan DOWN[/B]
good god not another topic with a never ending debate.:facepalm
he shot and killed 20 human. period end of story.
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]good god not another topic with a never ending debate.:facepalm [/QUOTE]
I think it is good, at least it isn't going away until the next time it happens. I mean after Aurora this discussion only lasted maybe a week, and it was back to business of usual.
Whatever side you are on it is an important issue that needs to be resolved. I think the problem is that people seem to becoming more entrenched in their opinion about guns and thereby the discussion is ONLY about guns now, and not the wider influence of gun culture, pop culture, the media, mental health problems, socioeconomic problems etc.
[QUOTE=Riddler]BTW... if you want to see Piers Morgan get completely owned by some guy I've never heard of... watch this video:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdhAm_oUUs[/url]
[B]COMPLETE: Ben Shapiro CUTS Piers Morgan DOWN[/B][/QUOTE]
Haha, I actually saw this the other day. It's Piers Morgan we are talking about, all he does is just cut people off and go on stupid rants. Alex Jones brought the lulz when he was on his show
[QUOTE=Riddler][url]http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495[/url]
Anybody know?[/QUOTE]
Bushmaster to kill everybody and one of the handguns to kill himself was reported
the video you linked to is over a month old. the day after the shooting
[QUOTE=daily]Bushmaster to kill everybody and one of the handguns to kill himself was reported
the video you linked to is over a month old. the day after the shooting[/QUOTE]
Multiple reports suggest the Bushmaster was found in the trunk of his car.
I'd like to know why this was reported, and if it's true or false.
[QUOTE=Riddler]Multiple reports suggest the Bushmaster was found in the trunk of his car.
I'd like to know why this was reported, and if it's true or false.[/QUOTE]
They originally reported that the gun was the SLR because the media were just putting any scrap of information out there as quickly as they could.
It was a shotgun - Saiga-12 (apparently, I don't know guns well enough to identify them), but you can see video of it where the officer unloads a shell from the chamber - if I were a betting man I would put my money on shotgun.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc[/url]
[QUOTE=miller-time]They originally reported that the gun was the SLR because the media were just putting any scrap of information out there as quickly as they could.
It was a shotgun - Saiga-12 (apparently, I don't know guns well enough to identify them), but you can see video of it where the officer unloads a shell from the chamber - if I were a betting man I would put my money on shotgun.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc[/url][/QUOTE]
Haven't watched the youtube video yet (but I will)
Here is my problem... We have a crime scene... Are there photographs of the crime scene? Are there surveillance tapes of Adam entering the building?
Just show me a picture of a dead body...
Just show me the video tapes from the cameras in that building.
Whenever a conspiracy theory takes place, it's because the public doesn't get access of the video tapes (or photos) of the event taking place (or it's aftermath):
No photo of OBL's dead body.
No video of the Boeing hitting the Pentagon (and there were other cameras filming that day)
and I think there are 12 surveillance tapes that have not been released to the public regarding the OKC bombing.
I just wish we had more access to information withheld from the public when tragedies like this take place.
[QUOTE=Riddler]Haven't watched the youtube video yet (but I will)
Here is my problem... We have a crime scene... Are there photographs of the crime scene? Are there surveillance tapes of Adam entering the building?
Just show me a picture of a dead body...
Just show me the video tapes from the cameras in that building.
Whenever a conspiracy theory takes place, it's because the public doesn't get access of the video tapes (or photos) of the event taking place (or it's aftermath):
No photo of OBL's dead body.
No video of the Boeing hitting the Pentagon (and there were other cameras filming that day)
and I think there are 12 surveillance tapes that have not been released to the public regarding the OKC bombing.
I just wish we had more access to information withheld from the public when tragedies like this take place.[/QUOTE]
Why are you assuming there are video tapes of the event? The camera used to let him into the school was likely a live feed and unrecorded. This is very, very common, especially for entrance video intercom systems.
And why do you want to see pictures and video of 5 and 6 year olds being mowed down?
You have no right to that information, nor should you want to see it.
Absolutely disgusting.
[QUOTE=Riddler]Whenever a conspiracy theory takes place, it's because the public doesn't get access of the video tapes (or photos) of the event taking place (or it's aftermath): [/QUOTE]
I understand being skeptical, but I'm not sure why conspiracy theories are the inherent response to evidence not being released?
There are a myriad of reasons why videos and photos have been withheld. Often the best thing to do in these types of cases is to bury the suspect to avoid giving them notoriety. Also, do you really think it is a good idea to throw out images of massacred school kids?
Also why weren't people asking for the same thing in response to the VT shooting? Why isn't that a conspiracy?
[QUOTE=miller-time]I understand being skeptical, but I'm not sure why conspiracy theories are the inherent response to evidence not being released?
There are a myriad of reasons why videos and photos have been withheld. Often the best thing to do in these types of cases is to bury the suspect to avoid giving them notoriety. Also, do you really think it is a good idea to throw out images of massacred school kids?
Also why weren't people asking for the same thing in response to the VT shooting? [B]Why isn't that a conspiracy?[/B][/QUOTE]
Oh god no. No. NO. Don't! Don't open the door!!!!!
I can understand wanting to see OBL's body (I'd like to) but not a bunch of 5-6 year olds.
[QUOTE=miller-time]
Also why weren't people asking for the same thing in response to the VT shooting? Why isn't that a conspiracy?[/QUOTE]
There wasn't any reason to suggest that it was a conspiracy.
I'm glad you asked that question... People like to accuse us of suggesting everything is a conspiracy, but that isn't the case.... as far as I know, I haven't seen one reason to be skeptical of that event.
And that guy used handguns right?
[QUOTE=Riddler]There wasn't any reason to suggest that it was a conspiracy.
I'm glad you asked that question... People like to accuse us of suggesting everything is a conspiracy, but that isn't the case.... as far as I know, I haven't seen one reason to be skeptical of that event.
And that guy used handguns right?[/QUOTE]
I think so.
But anyway they neither released a photo of the perpetrators body, nor did they release any photos or footage of the attack or deceased victims from VT. Both reasons you said make you skeptical. If it is acceptable in that case, why not this one? Simply because you have other suspicions?
[QUOTE=Balla_Status]I can understand wanting to see OBL's body (I'd like to) but not a bunch of 5-6 year olds.[/QUOTE]
Okay... can we see pictures of the adults killed... or how about just the shooter?
They showed us pictures of the Columbine shooters after they committed suicide... Can we see a picture of Adam Lanza dead body? I think people would actually get have a small bit of satisfaction seeing the corpse of that murderer.
Just show me one drop of blood somewhere...
[QUOTE=miller-time]I think so.
But anyway they neither released a photo of the perpetrators body, nor did they release any photos or footage of the attack or deceased victims from VT. Both reasons you said make you skeptical. If it is acceptable in that case, why not this one? Simply because you have other suspicions?[/QUOTE]
No no no no... I don't recall any of the victim's family members talking to the press days after the shooting... and that's how a grieving family member is suppose to act... They didn't talk to Anderson Cooper with a smile on their face a few days after their child was killed, and the victims family members certainly didn't make gun control an important issue days after the event.
I can understand if the victims family members became gun control activists a month or two after the event... But you're gonna preach to the media that Obama needs to do something about this after your child was killed? C'mon!!!
Now let's say the Newtown shooting wasn't a conspiracy...
can you at least see how the government/media could use a tragedy like to this for gun control purposes... ?
Look at this $hit:
[IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img201/1223/screenshot20121229at942.png[/IMG]
F*CK THAT LETTER!!!!
after the VT shooting... gun control wasn't the hot topic... students and professors were demanding to have the right to carry a concealed weapon to class.
[QUOTE=Riddler]can you at least see how the government/media could use a tragedy like to this for gun control purposes... ?[/QUOTE]
Yes, after the fact. In the same way I believe they took advantage of 9/11 to enter the middle east. That doesn't mean they necessarily orchestrated it though.
But your interpretation of the interviews is still only speculation. You are talking about expected behaviour in regards to an incredibly rare and tragic event. I watched the interview and I agree the levity was higher than you probably would expect, but there is no reason to believe that this behaviour would be consistent throughout their entire ordeal. You are looking at this one piece of information and extrapolating someones entire psychological profile from it. You don't know ANYTHING about these people.
[QUOTE=miller-time]Yes, after the fact. In the same way I believe they took advantage of 9/11 to enter the middle east. That doesn't mean they necessarily orchestrated it though.
But your interpretation of the interviews is still only speculation. You are talking about expected behaviour in regards to an incredibly rare and tragic event. I watched the interview and I agree the levity was higher than you probably would expect, but there is no reason to believe that this behaviour would be consistent throughout their entire ordeal. You are looking at this one piece of information and extrapolating someones entire psychological profile from it. You don't know ANYTHING about these people.[/QUOTE]
there is proof of a conspiracy in regards to 9/11... people like to say there isn't any proof... But the proof is there. I mean, I'd love to take a Boeing and nose dive it in same field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania to show you guys what a real plane crash would look like... People like to take this PROOF and twist it around to suggest flight 93 was shot down so we could stop AQ from hitting their fourth target... give me a break. (that's one of the many examples of PROOF)
A dozen people acting odd days after the Newtown shooting is not proof... you are correct... But if people have done the amount of research I've done on Sandy Hook, you'd be a fool to NOT be skeptical.
with 9/11 being the conspiracy that it is... setting up a Sandy Hook Hoax would be a walk in the park for these people... It would be easy to fake.
:facepalm
[QUOTE=Riddler]there is proof of a conspiracy in regards to 9/11... people like to say there isn't any proof... But the proof is there. I mean, I'd love to take a Boeing and nose dive it in same field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania to show you guys what a real plane crash would look like... People like to take this PROOF and twist it around to suggest flight 93 was shot down so we could stop AQ from hitting their fourth target... give me a break. (that's one of the many examples of PROOF)[/quote]
We can talk about 9/11 another time. I was just using it as an example of where I [I]personally[/I] think the government may have deliberately capitalized on a tragic event. I don't think [B]that [/B]is beyond them.
[quote]A dozen people acting odd days after the Newtown shooting is not proof... you are correct... But if people have done the amount of research I've done on Sandy Hook, you'd be a fool to NOT be skeptical.[/quote]
Well what are the other evidences? All I've seen so far in general (not just from you) are weird interviews, lack of photos and/or video, various media mistakes, references in the batman movie to this and aurora, and a connection to the Libor scandal. I might be forgetting some small bits here and there but generally that is all I have come across. At best to me they seem more like factoids or pieces of trivia than evidence of a conspiracy.
[QUOTE=miller-time]
Well what are the other evidences? All I've seen so far in general (not just from you) are [B]weird interviews[/B], lack of photos and/or video, various media mistakes, references in the batman movie to this and aurora, and a connection to the Libor scandal. I might be forgetting some small bits here and there but generally that is all I have come across. At best to me they seem more like factoids or pieces of trivia than evidence of a conspiracy.[/QUOTE]
No, that's basically it... just the weird interviews.
And I've watched as many as I can... There's much much more than Robbie Parker, The McDonald Family, and Victoria Soto's family (the sisters and brother are beyond strange)...
And I just don't give a f*ck what anybody says... I have no problem calling Robbie Parker a fake.... If that dude isn't an actor, he is quite possibly the strangest MFer I've ever seen.
Like I've posted before... [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCqeQFvsrs"]THIS VIDEO SUMS it up BEST[/URL]
207,414 views
[I]867 likes - 163 dislikes[/I]
Wouldn't the government, with their endless money, be able to hire a better actor?
[QUOTE=timlush]Wouldn't the government, with their endless money, be able to hire a better actor?[/QUOTE]
They don't give a f*ck how sloppy their conspiracies are because the majority of people are gonna defend the official story no matter what.
and... even when a f*ck up the size of Building 7 happens... Nobody even knows about it. People are ignorant.
And look... Look at what the [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHIj9wzbYGQ"]victim's family members[/URL] have done with Building 7.
Go ask a few random individuals if they know what Building 7 is.
[QUOTE=Riddler]No, that's basically it... just the weird interviews.
And I've watched as many as I can... There's much much more than Robbie Parker, The McDonald Family, and Victoria Soto's family (the sisters and brother are beyond strange)...
And I just don't give a f*ck what anybody says... I have no problem calling Robbie Parker a fake.... If that dude isn't an actor, he is quite possibly the strangest MFer I've ever seen.
Like I've posted before... [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCqeQFvsrs"]THIS VIDEO SUMS it up BEST[/URL]
207,414 views
[I]867 likes - 163 dislikes[/I][/QUOTE]
But wouldn't people in the Sandy Hook community say something about people being interviewed that have nothing to do with the shooting?
However lets say they are actors. What if they were arranged in agreement between the parents and news companies to facilitate with the interviews? Maybe some parents wanted to make a statement but didn't want to be or weren't able to be on camera? You need corroborating evidence for either situation. But there is more than one possible reason for this if they were indeed actors.
Personally I don't think they're actors, at least in the conspiracy sense. There would be to many variables to count for to keep it under wraps.
Little kids were killed. Yet you don't see anything but a chance to apply conspiracy theory logic. You don't see pictures, etc. because dumbass - LITTLE KIDS WERE KILLED.
It's mind boggling how dense people can be.
[QUOTE=niko]Little kids were killed. Yet you don't see anything but a chance to apply conspiracy theory logic. You don't see pictures, etc. because dumbass - LITTLE KIDS WERE KILLED.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/columbine-eric-harris-dylan-klebold-dead.jpg[/img]
I want to see a picture of Adam Lanza.
They showed us a pic of Eric and Dylan... I want to see a pic of Adam.
[QUOTE=niko]Little kids were killed. Yet you don't see anything but a chance to apply conspiracy theory logic. You don't see pictures, etc. because dumbass - LITTLE KIDS WERE KILLED.
It's mind boggling how dense people can be.[/QUOTE]
Kids are dead, so you're seen as insensitive the moment you even think it could be a conspiracy.
Well, I was reading a thread on a forum that an article about the shooting was written like 2 or 3 days before the shooting per google's little text that shows you when something was written (if that makes sense, the words I'm looking for aren't coming to me).
You could just say it's a glitch or something but it's never wrong otherwise, and there's too much sample of it not being wrong for you to say something like that logically.
I feel wrong for thinking it could be some big conspiracy because of those involved. But I think to discredit a conscpiracy solely because there are children involved is stubborn
[QUOTE=Maniak]Kids are dead, so you're seen as insensitive the moment you even think it could be a conspiracy.
Well, I was reading a thread on a forum that an article about the shooting was written like 2 or 3 days before the shooting per google's little text that shows you when something was written (if that makes sense, the words I'm looking for aren't coming to me).
You could just say it's a glitch or something but it's never wrong otherwise, and there's too much sample of it not being wrong for you to say something like that logically.
I feel wrong for thinking it could be some big conspiracy because of those involved. But I think to discredit a conscpiracy solely because there are children involved is stubborn[/QUOTE]
My point was the people here ONLY see it as a conspiracy. They could give a rats ass about kids being shot, the moment it happened they started looking for interesting tidbits like it's a movie to analyze. That's strange to me. Kids got shot, wow interesting. Let me look for inconsistencies so i can post them on youtube for my friends and blame the govt.
When did this become normal?
[QUOTE=Riddler][img]http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/columbine-eric-harris-dylan-klebold-dead.jpg[/img]
I want to see a picture of Adam Lanza.
They showed us a pic of Eric and Dylan... I want to see a pic of Adam.[/QUOTE]
You don't get these type of pictures always. Is there something wrong with you that it's important to see the picture of someone dead? That you'd post this picture as an example of what you need to see?
[QUOTE=Riddler]Okay... can we see pictures of the adults killed... or how about just the shooter?
They showed us pictures of the Columbine shooters after they committed suicide... Can we see a picture of Adam Lanza dead body? I think people would actually get have a small bit of satisfaction seeing the corpse of that murderer.
Just show me one drop of blood somewhere...[/QUOTE] You're really sick, get help
We see pictures of the Columbine shooters because there were legal proceedings against their families and the people that supplied them with the guns. There's no such actions in the more recent tragedies yet.
Secondly since all the conspiracy people like you are saying it's just a bunch of actors I have no doubts that the minute you see these pictures you're going to scream "fake" "Photo shopped"
[QUOTE=Riddler]No, that's basically it... just the weird interviews.
And I've watched as many as I can... There's much much more than Robbie Parker, The McDonald Family, and Victoria Soto's family (the sisters and brother are beyond strange)...
And I just don't give a f*ck what anybody says... I have no problem calling Robbie Parker a fake.... If that dude isn't an actor, he is quite possibly the strangest MFer I've ever seen.
Like I've posted before... [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCqeQFvsrs"]THIS VIDEO SUMS it up BEST[/URL]
207,414 views
[I]867 likes - 163 dislikes[/I][/QUOTE]
So, whenever a person acts in a manner different than what you expect you label them as a bad actor? I've seen many people act in a manner I wouldn't expect. Is it really strange that some people may act strange in a time of great grief when emotions are running strong and they don't know how to deal with them? I don't understand why some people don't realize that people deal with grief differently. I know it looks like he could come off as being a bad actor, but I also know that perception and reality can be 2 rather different things.
How would the whole actor thing even work? Are they short-term actors? Long-term actors? The kids and teachers are actually safe but in seclusion?
[QUOTE=Riddler]I want to see a picture of Adam Lanza.
They showed us a pic of Eric and Dylan... I want to see a pic of Adam.[/QUOTE]
If it's all a conspiracy, then why couldn't they just fake photos/videos, too?
[QUOTE=daily]
Secondly since all the conspiracy people like you are saying it's just a bunch of actors I have no doubts that the minute you see these pictures you're going to scream "fake" "Photo shopped"[/QUOTE]
Yea, like I haven't heard that one before.
"Why do you want to see a picture of Osama Bin Laden's body? You're just gonna say it's photoshopped anyway."
How about you guys stop reading these threads if they bother you so much?
and Niko, I wish I could find the thread/post where I wrote I wasn't going to investigate any conspiracy because little kids were involved... I literally wrote that "it wouldn't feel right"
Please don't sit there and tell me that I only view this tragedy as a form of entertainment.
[QUOTE=Maniak]Kids are dead, so you're seen as insensitive the moment you even think it could be a conspiracy.
Well, I was reading a thread on a forum that an article about the shooting was written like 2 or 3 days before the shooting per google's little text that shows you when something was written (if that makes sense, the words I'm looking for aren't coming to me).
You could just say it's a glitch or something but it's never wrong otherwise, and there's too much sample of it not being wrong for you to say something like that logically.
I feel wrong for thinking it could be some big conspiracy because of those involved. But I think to discredit a conscpiracy solely because there are children involved is stubborn[/QUOTE]
Are you talking about something like this:
[IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/xeq2yg.jpg[/IMG]
Bin Laden released a video on a 911 anniversary and it was discredited by conspiracy theorists as an actor despite exact bone structure and voice.
Pictures wouldn't do anything at all here in terms of conspiracy...nothing, they would be written off as fakes before you even looked at them.
In fact you could let conspiracy theorists walk into the crime scene right after it happened and they would claim the dead bodies were planted by gov agents...
Instead of focusing on details like that I think you should focus on the bigger picture, WHY the government would go through such extreme and intricate set up just to make magazine clips in certain rifles smaller. All of the children that are now missing classmates actors?...Little kid actors?...the numerous funerals were all fake, with actors?...etc etc etc...it is totally and completely ABSURD. There is nothing to think about here.
The only way you could think there is a conspiracy in here is because you are trying to force a conspiracy on it.
So there is a set way to act when you lose your child? Not exactly how you envision it? [SIZE="7"]MUST BE A CONSPIRACY[/SIZE]
No pictures of 20 kids with their brains blown out? [SIZE="7"]MUST BE A CONSPIRACY[/SIZE]
Media didn't report correct gun hours after it happened? [SIZE="7"]MUST BE A CONSPIRACY[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=Riddler]
How about you guys stop reading these threads if they bother you so much?
[/QUOTE]How about you stop reading or posting in these threads if people thinking you have a major screw loose bothers you so much?
In this thread you want to see pictures as "proof"
in this thread you're posting pics of the pentagon saying the photos are photo shopped [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287698[/url]
You're a walking talking cartoon
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]Bin Laden released a video on a 911 anniversary and it was discredited by conspiracy theorists as an actor despite exact bone structure and voice.
Pictures wouldn't do anything at all here in terms of conspiracy...nothing, they would be written off as fakes before you even looked at them.
In fact you could let conspiracy theorists walk into the crime scene right after it happened and they would claim the dead bodies were planted by gov agents...[/QUOTE]
Funny, considering you said that the [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhctMpvszqQ"]December 13, 2001 video of Bin Laden[/URL] was fake yourself.
That's the video that lead us to Afghanistan...
Yea, it's fake..... and even you agreed.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]
Instead of focusing on details like that I think you should focus on the bigger picture, WHY the government would go through such extreme and intricate set up just to make magazine clips in certain rifles smaller. All of the children that are now missing classmates actors?...Little kid actors?...the numerous funerals were all fake, with actors?...etc etc etc...it is totally and completely ABSURD. There is nothing to think about here.
The only way you could think there is a conspiracy in here is because you are trying to force a conspiracy on it.[/QUOTE]
Wait a second... There are a number of conspiracy theories suggesting that the motive behind this shooting isn't about gun control... but something else.
I'd love to discuss those theories with you, but I already know what you'll say.
But let's say it is all about gun control.... Do you really think another shooting is not ever going to happen?
Yea,.... what kind of laws are going to be passed when somebody shoots up an NFL stadium? What if some crazy dude blasts 50 people at the Super Bowl this year? Well, that means Aurora was Step 1, Sandy Hook was Step 2, and Step 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 haven't happened yet.... What laws are passed then?
Would those laws look something like this:
[IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img201/1223/screenshot20121229at942.png[/IMG]
Look man, I can't imagine why this actor conspiracy appears the way does, because it's really f*cking with my mind... But all the videos suggest that we have a bunch of frauds on T.V.
call it absurd all you want.... but to me it seems like bad acting.... Sorry, but I gotta call it the way I see it.
You think I wanted to say these people are actors? Do you think all the people on the internet in the YOUTUBE COMMENTS SECTION want to force some conspiracy theory? We call it the way we see it... and what we see are a bunch of f*cking actors.
As someone pointed out earlier... Why isn't the Virginia Tech shooting a conspiracy? Because there's nothing to be skeptical about on that one.... A crazy Asian dude really did shoot up the school.
There is so much skepticism surrounding Sandy Hook that CNN finally had to address it!!!! Don't act like it's only a few conspiracy theorists on the internet trying to make it look like a conspiracy. There's a $hit load of people that think something it's bull$Hit.