Atheism vs. Theism

I don't know where theists get off saying I don't understand the value of "faith" as an atheist.

Yes, I do. I have faith. It's just a faith instilled in a different conclusion than yours.

Given that humanity has demonstrated a propensity to lie and create methods of control over its own populace, I have faith that all of these religions are fabrications for moral guidance.

Your faith is that a book written thousands of years ago detailing events you weren't there to witness holds all the answers and path to salvation.

If there is a God, I don't know why he would punish me for using logic and then reward you for blindly accepting any random body of writing as "The Truth".

Studies show most Atheists suffer from some type of mental sickness.

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Studies show most Atheists suffer from some type of mental sickness.[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

You spend at least one day a week worshiping your imaginary friend, and yet you sit here and claim atheists suffer from mental sickness. Please tell me you see the irony.

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Studies show most Atheists suffer from some type of mental sickness.[/QUOTE]

:lol @ "Studies"

Even if all of those studies were foolproof and accurate, you're still left with "most". What does that say about the minority of atheists who are sane and clear-minded? Probably that they're of genius status, and we know that geniuses are few and far in between.

And, as far as the "most" with mental sickness, what does that say about God that he would damn them for all eternity for being infected with a disease they can't control? Where's the "love" and "forgiveness" for them?

Wake up. Your gospel is a sham designed to provoke fear and get you to toe the line of society.

[QUOTE=bmulls]:rolleyes:

You spend at least one day a week worshiping your imaginary friend, and yet you sit here and claim atheists suffer from mental sickness. Please tell me you see the irony.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

"When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

Stop and think of the sheer number of gods you are saying are false. You've got the winning lottery ticket, huh? All on good ole faith!

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]:lol @ "Studies"

Even if all of those studies were foolproof and accurate, you're still left with "most". What does that say about the minority of atheists who are sane and clear-minded? Probably that they're of genius status, and we know that geniuses are few and far in between.

And, as far as the "most" with mental sickness, what does that say about God that he would damn them for all eternity for being infected with a disease they can't control? Where's the "love" and "forgiveness" for them?

Wake up. Your gospel is a sham designed to provoke fear and get you to toe the line of society.[/QUOTE]
How do you come to the conclusion that theyre of genius status? It doesn't follow.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]I don't know where theists get off saying I don't understand the value of "faith" as an atheist.

Yes, I do. I have faith. It's just a faith instilled in a different conclusion than yours.

Given that humanity has demonstrated a propensity to lie and create methods of control over its own populace, I have faith that all of these religions are fabrications for moral guidance.

[B][U]Your faith is that a book written thousands of years ago detailing events you weren't there to witness[/U][/B] holds all the answers and path to salvation.

If there is a God, I don't know why he would punish me for using logic and then reward you for blindly accepting any random body of writing as "The Truth".[/QUOTE]

Please tell me more about how scientists witnessed the big bang and the evolution of bacteries into apes and humans :applause:

I have no idea why you care so much about what people believe in as if it offends you but you should rename this thread to atheism vs christianity cause clearly that's what you are refering to by "damning you to hell" or talks about the gospel and not general [B]theism[/B]. ie the bible dosn't represent theism but just a sub part of it.

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]Please tell me more about how scientists witnessed the big bang and the evolution of bacteries into apes and humans :applause:[/QUOTE]

Please tell me more about how they present these explanations as theories and not dogma.

[QUOTE=BrickingStar]I have no idea why you care so much about what people believe in as if it offends you but you shoul rename this thread to atheism vs christianity cause clearly that's what you are refering to by "damning you to hell" or talks about the gospel and not general [B]theism[/B]. ie the bible dosn't represent theism but just a sub part of it.[/QUOTE]

You're right about the renaming.

It's not that I care a whole lot, but it is slightly annoying when people take a holier-than-thou attitude and think they're special because of their virtue of "faith".

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]I don't know where theists get off saying I don't understand the value of "faith" as an atheist.

Yes, I do. I have faith. It's just a faith instilled in a different conclusion than yours.

Given that humanity has demonstrated a propensity to lie and create methods of control over its own populace, I have faith that all of these religions are fabrications for moral guidance.

Your faith is that a book written thousands of years ago detailing events you weren't there to witness holds all the answers and path to salvation.

If there is a God, I don't know why he would punish me for using logic and then reward you for blindly accepting any random body of writing as "The Truth".[/QUOTE]

well said. as someone who considers themself to be agnostic, i agree.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]You're right about the renaming.

It's not that I care a whole lot, but it is slightly annoying when people take a holier-than-thou attitude and think they're special because of their virtue of "faith".[/QUOTE]
I see, just keep in mind that not all theist are part of any religion (or specifically christian as you are refering to this thread) or have any "holier-than-thou attitude because there isn't anything for them to follow strictly by.

I don't understand how the fact that religion has been exploited supports the conclusion it is manmade. Looking at the nature of humans and their instincts is sufficient to understand the source of religion.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]Please tell me more about how they present these explanations as theories and not dogma.[/QUOTE]

Ok so you basically saying that we have no proof of who is wrong or right? You either blindly believe in one or the other

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]You're right about the renaming.

It's not that I care a whole lot, but it is slightly annoying when people take a holier-than-thou attitude and think they're special because of their virtue of "faith".[/QUOTE]
Focus on the message, not the messenger. What's slightly annoying are people like you that try to keep an air of being intellectual than you make fallacious errors in logic because of your bias.

[QUOTE=Jello]Focus on the message, not the messenger. What's slightly annoying are people like you that try to keep an air of being intellectual than you make fallacious errors in logic because of your bias.[/QUOTE]

This.

Atheists are the most arrogant people you will ever come across. The OP doesn't know what the hell he is talking about

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]This.

Atheists are the most arrogant people you will ever come across. The OP doesn't know what the hell he is talking about[/QUOTE]

Calls OP arrogant. Proceeds to dismiss him entirely.

:applause:

Athiests are the most naive people in the universe.

All Atheists generalize the behaviour and beliefs of religious people.

[QUOTE=G-train]Athiests are the most naive people in the universe.[/QUOTE]

Everyone in the universe is naive.

I have never met two theists who were exactly alike. Everyone has their own personalized beliefs and subtle disagreements about what "God" is and what its intentions are even if they share the same religion. It all comes off as being arbitrary selections based on who knows what. Is it based on what "sounds good"? Or on what "feels right within"?

There's such a wide array. Perhaps there is a god, but the only sensible form of theism I can see is that it's a god that doesn't care about being believed in and certainly wouldn't punish or reward based on who makes the right selection about which door it's hiding behind.

It's not so much a matter of intellect as I hyperbolically make it seem. It's more an issue of plain common sense.

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My better judgment knew how fruitless these threads are.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]My better judgment knew how fruitless these threads are.[/QUOTE]

What exactly was your point though? Did you have a question, this is kind of how you get the ball rolling. All you've done is made a few broad statements about religious people in general. Do you at least have a specific point we can discuss?

Religious people are retards and inferior to the rest of society. 80% of the worlds population are brainwashed morons. Homo-sapiens :applause:

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]Ok so you basically saying that we have no proof of who is wrong or right? You either blindly believe in one or the other[/QUOTE]
No, clearly not. First of all, most major christian religions accept evolution as compatible with their belief. second, there is no belief in science. Science is the formation of falsifiable explanations of observable (i.e. Natural) phenomenon (which is why it can be compatible with your belief in the supernatural). The whole point is that scientific explanations arent set in stone. They are subject to revision when they fail to explain the patterns in the data. which is why they have been so robust and created almost everything you use on a daily basis (F1 hybrid food plants, computers, combustion engines, modern medicine, etc.) All of these things are built upon the scientific method as an approach to understand our world.

Let's talk about cookies. I feel like I'm the only person that likes macadamia nut cookies.

if you run out of toilet paper, do you guys have the bible as backup?

[QUOTE=DCL]if you run out of toilet paper, do you guys have the bible as backup?[/QUOTE]

I think it is acceptable to at least use genesis and leviticus.

[QUOTE=Budadiiii]Religious people are retards and inferior to the rest of society. 80% of the worlds population are brainwashed morons. Homo-sapiens :applause:[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Studies show most Atheists suffer from some type of mental sickness.[/QUOTE]

lol. Never heard of that.

People that believe in a deity or whatever is more happy than the people who do not believe tho.

I think that the more tech grows and the more understanding that we would have on our planet and universe, the less people will need religion and say a supernatural being created that or this. Not saying it'll go away though. As long as humans exist, I think there will always be people who will believe in the supernatural. We just need to educate people on being more science literate and knowing the basics on several fields I think.

Atheists are the same people that grew up in a broken home, picked on at school, and probably beaten by their drunken stepfather. They are just taking their anger out on God by refusing to believe in Him.

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Atheists are the same people that grew up in a broken home, picked on at school, and probably beaten by their drunken stepfather. They are just taking their anger out on God by refusing to believe in Him.[/QUOTE]

Not true in my case. It's a simple philosophical conclusion I've reached. What's your reasoning for not believing in gods that differ from yours?

And, as for those sample cases you bring up, why would a creator who is supposed to be the embodiment of Love itself hold their anger against them in the end? People on Earth do far more speaking on God's behalf than it does. It would be nice if it decided to be as talkative and demonstrative as it supposedly was thousands of years ago.

What's with all the hiding and secrecy?

[QUOTE=boozehound]No, clearly not. First of all, most major christian religions accept evolution as compatible with their belief. second, there is no belief in science. Science is the formation of falsifiable explanations of observable (i.e. Natural) phenomenon (which is why it can be compatible with your belief in the supernatural). The whole point is that scientific explanations arent set in stone. They are subject to revision when they fail to explain the patterns in the data. which is why they have been so robust and created almost everything you use on a daily basis (F1 hybrid food plants, computers, combustion engines, modern medicine, etc.) All of these things are built upon the scientific method as an approach to understand our world.[/QUOTE]

Ok but that still doesnt change the fact that the science is saying that the world was created from the big bang and that humans evolved from bacteria. isnt that the theory? All im saying is you either believe that with no proof whatsoever or you can believe in God as the creator with also no proof. Its all about faith

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]Ok but that still doesnt change the fact that the science is saying that the world was created from the big bang and that humans evolved from bacteria. isnt that the theory? All im saying is you either believe that with no proof whatsoever or you can believe in God as the creator with also no proof. Its all about faith[/QUOTE]

Wait are you saying that neither evolution or the big bang theory have any proof?

[QUOTE=miller-time]Wait are you saying that neither evolution or the big bang theory have any proof?[/QUOTE]

yea pretty much. its all speculation and theories. The creation of universe was millions of years before the first animals and even dinosaurs. Let alone humans. Dont tell me theres a way to actually go back that far or even proofs that confirm it. As far as evolution its true to some extent. But i dont believe that humans evolved from bacteria into fishes and then into apes and finally into humans. And there is no proof of that neither.

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]yea pretty much. its all speculation and theories. The creation of universe was millions of years before the first animals and even dinosaurs. Let alone humans. Dont tell me theres a way to actually go back that far or even proofs that confirm it. As far as evolution its true to some extent. But i dont believe that humans evolved from bacteria into fishes and then into apes and finally into humans. And there is no proof of that neither.[/QUOTE]

Every star you look at you are looking back in time (sometimes billions of years). We don't need to go back in time to see what was happening at the early stages of the universe because light and other radiation from those events is still traveling towards us.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]My better judgment knew how fruitless these threads are.[/QUOTE]

You knew the thread, topic/subject or whatever was fruitless, yet you created the thread anyway.

A very common attribute for atheists (especially young adults, thinking they understand the entire world around them, and that the average Christian is a mindless moron) is that atheists always have God on the brain. They're highly intrigued and mentally mind-raped by "how it all started" ... "what really happens after we die" ... "is there anything else to us, or are we the complete beginning, middle and end?" - and whatever other respective questions that mankind has been asking himself since the beginning of the human conscience mind.

The average (again, especially young adult type, etc) atheist will say something along the lines of "nah man, I'm not thinking of God all the time, none of that really mentally stimulates me, God doesn't exists, so why would he be on the brain full-time" etc. Atheists almost always try and paint the picture that they're not always thinking of God, possibilities of some sort of afterlife, etc. - but that couldn't be any further from the real truth. The real truth that is in their head, all the time.

Again, you creating this thread is a dead giveaway.

1) You're constantly thinking of God, the possibility of there being a God, etc.

2) Even though you know and even acknowledge a discussion about such is a dead-end, with nothing really gained. Nothing new really learned. No new "I think I'm finally seeing the LIGHT!" or something even further solidifying your faith in no God. Yet still, you're intrigued, mind-raped by God enough to start a discussion about it.

3) You graduated from simply thinking about God, to wanting to engage in conversation with others about God, see their opinions (from both believers and non-believers alike) and maybe even argue, belittle, or deepen your non-belief because here @ ISH, the majority is atheist (LOL, again, the young I know everything type) ... and because of that religious folks (especially Christians, which is the intended target you're attempting to get into quarrels with) find themselves getting gang-raped by a bunch of pissed off atheists who get extreme pleasure in unleashing their insults and opinions on the internet. A safe place where some atheists feel in their "comfort zone" and hurl insults at Christians.

4) You think about God some more.

5) You find another outlet to get into the God debate. Whether it's friends, family members you're comfortable talking to about, other internet sources. Anything you can to get your fix because you're addicted to talking about and having open discussions about God.

6) You think about God some more.

7) Rinse and repeat 1-6

:oldlol:

The basic and real truth is that while you claim you don't believe in God, you can't stop thinking about God. Why is that, you think?

Atheism is like the world's newest and coolest religion. It's not some fad or anything like that, but it is something that a lot of younger people are finding highly entertaining, and for some really nerdy social misfits they find likewise atheists (especially on the 'net, in fact ISH is a hotbed for these nerdy social misfits) ... and to some degree, it helps them feel "accepted" like they're a part of something. Something important. Something that is rare, uncommon and involves "free thinkers" and those of higher intelligence than these, closed-minded, moronic *believers* ... you feel like this is your calling. You feel like atheism is where you "fit in"

You're probably the type who watches YouTube videos of The Atheist Experience, and comments something to the effect of "GO MATT! GO! GET 'EM DAWG!"

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Atheists are the same people that grew up in a broken home, picked on at school, and probably beaten by their drunken stepfather. They are just taking their anger out on God by refusing to believe in Him.[/QUOTE]

Funny, under your username it says "RETARD SLAYER" ... I think it's safe to assume who the ree ree is, no?

:facepalm

It's comments like this that make it even easier for atheists to "do their thang" ... but maybe there's hope. Maybe you're just trolling. I hope so.

[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]Atheism is like the world's newest and coolest religion. It's not some fad or anything like that, but it is something that a lot of younger people are finding highly entertaining, and for some really nerdy social misfits they find likewise atheists (especially on the 'net, in fact ISH is a hotbed for these nerdy social misfits) ... and to some degree, it helps them feel "accepted" like they're a part of something. Something important. Something that is rare, uncommon and involves "free thinkers" and those of higher intelligence than these, closed-minded, moronic *believers* ... you feel like this is your calling. You feel like atheism is where you "fit in"[/QUOTE]

This might be true to some degree. But you also have to acknowledge that this is the first time in recent history that atheists are actually able to come out. How many people have been atheists in the past but have had to keep it a secret? The numbers aren't just growing because it is popular, they are also growing because they simply can. Fear of being ostracized is decreasing, however that isn't true for everywhere.