New telescope is going to revolutionize what we know about our universe

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Eh poor little humans, trying to discover something they obviously can't comprehend.

How about focusing on Earth and how to sustain it and better it for the future instead of wasting all those resources on space programs and irrelevant information we have no use for.

Humans using their telescopes to "guess" what is out there is no different than an curious ant trying to figure out what's that big shoe that stomps them all the time.

[QUOTE=Graviton]Eh poor little humans, trying to discover something they obviously can't comprehend.

How about focusing on Earth and how to sustain it and better it for the future instead of wasting all those resources on space programs and irrelevant information we have no use for.

Humans using their telescopes to "guess" what is out there is no different than an curious ant trying to figure out what's that big shoe that stomps them all the time.[/QUOTE]

I disagree, if we are more focused on space, maybe we can actually build better rockets to actually start colonizing space. Most of the wars are caused by fighting over the resources, and sure, some countries might be fighting over space resources too, but there is so much on asteroids and neighbouring planets, I think that we will have so much it'll make earth a rich planet, and in the cosmos, we will prob be identified as one nation, rather than individual countries. I mean sh*t, that in and of itself will end all the wars and resolve conflicts of interest.

As is, Earth is a violent planet because nations are fighting over resources and with the people multiplying sooner or later we will run out of them. It'll only get worse since wars will be deadlier as we run low.

[QUOTE=Graviton]Eh poor little humans, trying to discover something they obviously can't comprehend.

How about focusing on Earth and how to sustain it and better it for the future instead of wasting all those resources on space programs and irrelevant information we have no use for.

Humans using their telescopes to "guess" what is out there is no different than an curious ant trying to figure out what's that big shoe that stomps them all the time.[/QUOTE]

So what do you suggest we do? Stop space exploration? Stop spending all money and resources on space programs? Do you even know how much we spend on space programs here in USA? It is absolutely miniscule compared to how much gets spent on focusing on Earth and USA.

$3.79 trillion USA spent overall in 2012. $17.68 billion to Nasa + $8.2 billion to National Science Foundation = $25.88 billion to Science. 0.68% of everything that USA spent in all of 2012 to Science (NASA - 0.46% to space programs total).

Are you saying you wouldn't even spend 0.68% of the entire USA budget on space programs? What about the remaining 99.32%? Are you telling me that is not enough for everything else? If it is not enough then you have MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger problems to deal with.


Anyways, back on topic. Definitely a move forward for on-land telescope, but I still feel as if in-space telescopes are the best way to go such as the Hubble. There would be nothing from our atmosphere that could screw around with the signal if it's outside our atmosphere

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They've barely used the telescope and they are already finding something revolutionary, heck, the big bang has to be rewritten now. This goes to show how big our universe is, and imagine each star we see, there is a planet that is just like ours next to it, which is pretty much infinite. It makes all of us look really petty. We have human biasness that makes us think we know everything, but it's just ridiculous when you look at the galaxy and see how little we know.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing in that article that refutes or even suggests there is a contradiction to the evidence that supports the big bang theory.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]I disagree, if we are more focused on space, maybe we can actually build better rockets to actually start colonizing space. Most of the wars are caused by fighting over the resources, and sure, some countries might be fighting over space resources too, but there is so much on asteroids and neighbouring planets, I think that we will have so much it'll make earth a rich planet, and in the cosmos, we will prob be identified as one nation, rather than individual countries. I mean sh*t, that in and of itself will end all the wars and resolve conflicts of interest.

As is, Earth is a violent planet because nations are fighting over resources and with the people multiplying sooner or later we will run out of them. It'll only get worse since wars will be deadlier as we run low.[/QUOTE]
No, we should be more focused on the ocean or other uninhabited areas on earth for colonization, not space. The costs are too prohibitive and our technology too primitive to even consider it.

[QUOTE=shlver]No, we should be more focused on the ocean or other uninhabited areas on earth for colonization, not space. The costs are too prohibitive and our technology too primitive to even consider it.[/QUOTE]

Colonizing space is not really a choice. Sooner or later we are going to use all our resources up; more wars will be fought over it. We are just going to blow ourselves up and only the rich and powerful (with the means and resources) will survive.

Unless if the ocean can yield the same resources, we'll need to look at colonizing the moon, then mars, so on and so forth for the resources and energy we need to survive.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Colonizing space is not really a choice. Sooner or later we are going to use all our resources up; more wars will be fought over it. We are just going to blow ourselves up and only the rich and powerful (with the means and resources) will survive.

Unless if the ocean can yield the same resources, we'll need to look at colonizing the moon, then mars, so on and so forth for the resources and energy we need to survive.[/QUOTE]
Do you even try to comprehend my post? Why would we focus efforts on something that might be literally impossible? I'm not sure you understand how much energy, resources, and jumps in technology we would need to colonize space.

[QUOTE=shlver]Do you even try to comprehend my post? Why would we focus efforts on something that might be literally impossible? I'm not sure you understand how much energy, resources, and jumps in technology we would need to colonize space.[/QUOTE]

Yea, you are saying you would rather swim in the ocean with Willy than go to the stars. What is so special about the ocean except a bunch of glowing fishes anyway. Exploring space is much more evolutionary; if we understand the universe, we can travel, colonize it for resources, and quite possibly, make contact.

Look at how much money we spend on war. Imagine if we use half of that so the Bushies can go to asteroids or other planets to get their oil instead of bombing other nations for it. Just seems like logical sense to me space should be the next step in our evolution.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Yea, you are saying you would rather swim in the ocean with Willy than go to the stars. What is so special about the ocean except a bunch of glowing fishes anyway. Exploring space is much more evolutionary; if we understand the universe, we can travel, colonize it for resources, and quite possibly, make contact.

Look at how much money we spend on war. Imagine if we use half of that so the Bushies can go to asteroids or other planets to get their oil instead of bombing other nations for it. Just seems like logical sense to me space should be the next step in our evolution.[/QUOTE]
This discussion is over. :lol You obviously don't have a clue of the economic and biological consequences of actually inhabiting and self sustaining a population on another planet.

People are having less and less kids nowadays. I'm not sure the population will ever catch up to the technology. Heck, I'm sure in the future not having any children will be the 'in' thing to do. In some more years I believe we will achieve virtually free energy. And with that, comes all the goodness of free clean water for everybody and many other good stuff.

Of course, we can always choose nuclear war over all that.

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]Resources? Ain't no oxygen in space n!gga.[/QUOTE]

They are already mining asteroids. Basically they would beacon an asteroid with a laser to pinpoint it's orbit, send a robotic "miner" to dig for the resources, and then pick it up as it orbits back on earth. It is completely doable.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]They are already mining asteroids. Basically they would beacon an asteroid with a laser to pinpoint it's orbit, send a robotic "miner" to dig for the resources, and then pick it up as it orbits back on earth. It is completely doable.[/QUOTE]
And how much does it cost? It costs close to $10000 per pound to put an object in space and about the same to bring it back. Once against cost prohibitive.

[QUOTE=shlver]This discussion is over. :lol You obviously don't have a clue of the economic and biological consequences of actually inhabiting and self sustaining a population on another planet.[/QUOTE]

Colombus also heard the same criticism.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Colombus also heard the same criticism.[/QUOTE]
It's not even a comparison. You're just exposing your ignorance with these kinds of comments.

[QUOTE=shlver]And how much does it cost? It costs close to $10000 per pound to put an object in space and to bring it back. Once against cost prohibitive.[/QUOTE]

A lot of money, in fact, it's taking multiple billionaires to finance it. Eric Schmidt, Larry Page, Ram Shriram, and Ross Perot, Jr. to name a few, but the cost pays for itself when they grab the resources. [B]In space, a single platinum-rich 500 meter wide asteroid contains about 174 times the yearly world output of platinum.[/B] That's a lot of money.

And really, I'm all for this idea based on humanitarian reasons: what is the sole cause of most of the wars today.

A lack of resources. Swimming in the ocean looking for glowfishies isn't going to solve this problem.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]A lot of money, in fact, it's taking multiple billionaires to finance it. Eric Schmidt, Larry Page, Ram Shriram, and Ross Perot, Jr. to name a few, but the cost pays for itself when they grab the resources. [B]In space, a single platinum-rich 500 meter wide asteroid contains about 174 times the yearly world output of platinum.[/B] That's a lot of money.

And really, I'm all for this idea based on humanitarian reasons: what is the sole cause of most of the wars today.

A lack of resources. Swimming in the ocean looking for glowfishies isn't going to solve this problem.[/QUOTE]
lol every single post you just make yourself look more stupid. It's ****ing hilarious.

IamRambo is a genius. New hope of space exploration.

[QUOTE=shlver]lol every single post you just make yourself look more stupid. It's ****ing hilarious.[/QUOTE]

Hey I'm just trying to be a bit forward thinking. All you are wanting to do is swim nude in the ocean looking for exotic fishies.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Yea, you are saying you would rather swim in the ocean with Willy than go to the stars. What is so special about the ocean except a bunch of glowing fishes anyway. Exploring space is much more evolutionary; if we understand the universe, we can travel, colonize it for resources, and quite possibly, make contact.

Look at how much money we spend on war. Imagine if we use half of that so the Bushies can go to asteroids or other planets to get their oil instead of bombing other nations for it. Just seems like logical sense to me space should be the next step in our evolution.[/QUOTE]
All we have to do is imagine and understand space, **** the physical and chemical limitations in our technology. Imagination is key.

[QUOTE=shlver]There is nothing in that article that refutes or even suggests there is a contradiction to the evidence that supports the big bang theory.[/QUOTE]

I don't even think you know what the big bang is other than what is happening in your pants when you saw the shower scene in American History X.

Iamrambo how do you know so much without reading stupid facts and not going into our stupid school system? Are you some type of idiot savant? Like those geniuses with down syndrome?

The largest ground telescope.

Cool. Hope they find some good stuff. I don't expect mind bending information from it, but I'm sure good stuff will come.

[QUOTE=Jello]Iamrambo how do you know so much without reading stupid facts and not going into our stupid school system? Are you some type of idiot savant? Like those geniuses with down syndrome?[/QUOTE]

Philosophy.

It teaches you how to think. Education only tells you what to think, and if you are lucky to get a good one in the ivy leagues, it'll expand your knowledge based on rote memorization. With a philosophical mind, you can discern what is true or not based on systems of logic devised by Aristotle, Locke, Hume, Kant, etc.

Most people are smarter than they really are, but they can't seem to think on their own because they truly believe knowledge is through memorizing what someone else says and reiterating it like a parrot.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Philosophy.

It teaches you how to think. Education only tells you what to think, and if you are lucky to get a good one in the ivy leagues, it'll expand your knowledge based on rote memorization. With a philosophical mind, you can discern what is true or not based on systems of logic devised by Aristotle, Locke, Hume, Kant, etc.

Most people are smarter than they really are, but they can't seem to think on their own because they truly believe knowledge is through memorizing what someone else says and reiterating it like a parrot.[/QUOTE]
Wait so you can use philosophy to determine if space colonization is even possible or cost efficient? You must have down syndrome, no lie.

[QUOTE=Jello]Wait so you can use philosophy to determine if space colonization is even possible or cost efficient? You must have down syndrome, no lie.[/QUOTE]

Of course space colonization is possible. We are putting launching bases on the moon and we already have a couple of robots surveying Mars getting ready for a mission. It just makes sense eventually space colonization will happen sooner or later. We put bases on the moon, use that as a launch pad to Mars, colonize that, move on to Jupiter, then to saturn, etc. It has to be a domino effect.

This is already being talked about by theoretical physicists like Kaku, which are the same thing as theoretical philosophers.

we shud colon the artic. we cud build apartments outta ice n build ice slides for ice travel and other ice shit. possibly an ice community college for our scholars. we could domestitize penguins so they cud fly round and deliver messages like those bird things in harry potter.

with the power of imaginations anythings possible!11111

[QUOTE=shlver]Do you even try to comprehend my post? Why would we focus efforts on something that might be literally impossible? I'm not sure you understand how much energy, resources, and jumps in technology we would need to colonize space.[/QUOTE]

100 years ago it was assumed going to the moon would be litterally impossible.

use your head.

Wasn't there an article posted here a while ago about how Google is investing all kinds of money for R&D to eventually mine asteroids and satellites and such? Technology is advancing at an exponential rate and concepts that seem beyond us now, will quickly become reality in the near future...

It's really fascinating and I am somewhat bitter that I was born at the beginning of this technological boom, imagine 200 years from now where we will be in the health field, communication field, space exploration, etc etc....we might be the last middle class humans to live under an avrg of 100years

[QUOTE=macmac]Wasn't there an article posted here a while ago about how Google is investing all kinds of money for R&D to eventually mine asteroids and satellites and such? Technology is advancing at an exponential rate and concepts that seem beyond us now, will quickly become reality in the near future...

It's really fascinating and I am somewhat bitter that I was born at the beginning of this technological boom, imagine 200 years from now where we will be in the health field, communication field, space exploration, etc etc....we might be the last middle class humans to live under an avrg of 100years[/QUOTE]
yeah in 200 years I am confident that humans will have conquered the aging process...it WILL happen sooner or later...only thing that could prevent it is a nuclear holocaust or something

infact I still have hope that it will happen in my lifetime...say 30-40 years from now

[QUOTE=The Macho Man]How terrified are you of death?[/QUOTE]
not terrified as I believe in an afterlife

but I would very much like to avoid death if I could...I like living


I would like to live say around 1,000 years...I would conquer 5-6 different professions in that time I think, get my doctorate in all of them lol...then probably get bored of "everything"

or maybe I wouldn't be bored at all in 1,000 years...idk

lots to do and see here...not much time

[QUOTE=The Macho Man]How terrified are you of death?[/QUOTE]

I am terrified. It is the only thing I am afraid of really

Living to be very old seems really cool at first blush. But there would have to be some systems set up to deal with what would happen to someone who lives to like 1000 years. For example the passage of time would really start to feel funky. Years would go by in what seems like a blink.

[QUOTE=Timmy D for MVP]Living to be very old seems really cool at first blush. But there would have to be some systems set up to deal with what would happen to someone who lives to like 1000 years. For example the passage of time would really start to feel funky. Years would go by in what seems like a blink.[/QUOTE]

I am sure the Vulkuns realize that to some degree, but why would they give up their expanded lifespans??


BTW - I think they did some research on human bones, skins and other organs and estimated that the limit for humans is approx 150 years if their health and everything stays good throughout entire lifetime with some artificial ways to slow down aging. Without being able to completely stop aging, the organs would degenerate and break down after approx 150 years. Humans just don't have the mental physique to live for 1000 years or whatever without being able to reverse aging or simply stop it (Ra's Al Gul life regeneration pool or something :lol :lol )

[QUOTE=bladefd]I am sure the Vulkuns realize that to some degree, but why would they give up their expanded lifespans??


BTW - I think they did some research on human bones, skins and other organs and estimated that the limit for humans is approx 150 years if their health and everything stays good throughout entire lifetime with some artificial ways to slow down aging. Without being able to completely stop aging, the organs would degenerate and break down after approx 150 years. Humans just don't have the mental physique to live for 1000 years or whatever without being able to reverse aging or simply stop it (Ra's Al Gul life regeneration pool or something :lol :lol )[/QUOTE]
cell degeneration is in our DNA...in all animals DNA

nature has us die because that is the only way animals can evolve...

we can remove it from our DNA...it is possible, and many predict it to happen somewhere in the somewhat near future...I think most are guesstimating 40 or so years

[QUOTE=Clyde]100 years ago it was assumed going to the moon would be litterally impossible.

use your head.[/QUOTE]
Great argument. We were wrong in the past therefore we will always be wrong in the future...



We are not going to be colonizing space. The human species will die on this planet with this planet. Hate to break it to everyone.

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]cell degeneration is in our DNA...in all animals DNA

nature has us die because that is the only way animals can evolve...

we can remove it from our DNA...it is possible, and many predict it to happen somewhere in the somewhat near future...I think most are guesstimating 40 or so years[/QUOTE]

Really interesting concept. Yes there is a genetic code in our DNA somewhere in the Y chromosome that is pretty much eliminating a lot of our ancestral phenotypes (ape-like genes), so humans are advancing mentally more so than a physical evolution.

Here is the kicker, we don't know where these special sets of DNA came from since it can't be link to any other species on the evolutionary chain. Sure we are mostly ape-like, but the Y chromosome in humans is very different from an ape because it is actually regulating and destroying other genes that would make us ape-like.

Are we going to be able to see aliens having sex?

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Are we going to be able to see aliens having sex?[/QUOTE]

We already did. Haven't you seen Paris Hilton's sex tape.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Really interesting concept. Yes there is a genetic code in our DNA somewhere in the Y chromosome that is pretty much eliminating a lot of our ancestral phenotypes (ape-like genes), so humans are advancing mentally more so than a physical evolution.

Here is the kicker, we don't know where these special sets of DNA came from since it can't be link to any other species on the evolutionary chain. Sure we are mostly ape-like, but the Y chromosome in humans is very different from an ape because it is actually regulating and destroying other genes that would make us ape-like.[/QUOTE]

Bigger philosophical issue. Why would we want to stop evolution of humans at this early stage even if it were possible? Do the ends of that justify the means? Current Homo Sapiens are still a very young species. By stopping cell degeneration, you are essentially stopping evolution of humans to where it is now. So that's it? We will be at this stage forever and ever? Screw that. Humans will be bit different genetically in 15,000-20,000 years. I don't want that process to stop. We are still a very flawed species if you really think about it. We are only a few steps over chimps for crying out loud (we share what? 97% of dna?).

Then comes to ethics issues. Face it - if you change the DNA makeup of a few, you have to alter it for everyone, regardless of class, race, gender, skin color, etc. Who or what gets to decide that? Money? **** that. If money were to buy you immortality so that would mean the rich right now would never die and so they would stay rich forever. The poor? They would die every generation and so never gather any wealth/resources. Same rich dominate the world forever?