Allen Iverson on cover of new SLAM Magazine

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Some things will never change.

AI is one of them.

:applause: :rockon: :banana:

AI lookin like a boss. Hopefully he still has some bread.

allen iverson is a victim. he has been constantly scrutinized, but continues to shine. he is a mans man

[QUOTE=Bucket_Nakedz]allen iverson is a victim. he has been constantly scrutinized, but continues to shine. he is a mans man[/QUOTE]

I think the media decided awhile ago that they were going to permanently hate him. Every news story about him is negative, even irrelevant things like what is being said in his divorce hearing. They even find a way to criticize him for turning down playing in the D-League.

AI :pimp:

hes just a victim of Stern's power trip

AI how I miss you..... :cry:

What are you guys talking about? He REFUSED to adjust his role and play in the system his team wanted, you know, back when he WAS in the NBA?

Or did you forget that?

You guys act like he was somehow outcast for no reason, as if a player averaging 25ppg was ruthlessly quarantined out of some personal agenda.

Get a ****ing clue, as his skills changed from what they once were, he was asked to adjust. Why do you choose to forget that he outright REFUSED to come off the bench (Pistons). And then in his final stint in Philadelphia, he exited using a "saving face" strategy, in which he used some reason about his daughter being sick. Make no mistake, that's an excuse. If your daughter is sick, you NOT playing basketball is not helping her, whatever phantom illness she had, the DOCTORS would've been the ones to help her. Unless it's literally life or death (in which case you could argue he'd want to be there at her bedside for her final moments), there's no reason to stop playing basketball. But that's a moot point, since it turned out there was no verified illness or anything medically wrong with her anyway. Let's also not forget the flyers advertising some club he was gonna be at on that game night...

Iverson was great. But just like Kobe now, he's refused to adjust. Only difference is Kobe's skills are still so good that his selfish refusal to adjust to his teammates, STILL allows him to play at god-like levels. Because when your skill set converges on infinity, "diminishment" is a mortal term.

Well deserved:applause: except Rick Ross and tyga get them fake ass niguhs outta here :facepalm

[QUOTE=Rowe]I think the media decided awhile ago that they were going to permanently hate him. Every news story about him is negative, even irrelevant things like what is being said in his divorce hearing. They even find a way to criticize him for turning down playing in the D-League.[/QUOTE]

You bring up an interesting point. I remember a news story about Iverson saving a man from a car wreck, but it hardly makes any news.

[QUOTE=Solid Snake]Iverson was great. But just like Kobe now, he's refused to adjust. Only difference is Kobe's skills are still so good that his selfish refusal to adjust to his teammates, STILL allows him to play at god-like levels. Because when your skill set converges on infinity, "diminishment" is a mortal term.[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

You could have had a great post if you didn

:facepalm Iverson still living in the 90's apparently

[QUOTE=flipogb]hes just a victim of Stern's power trip[/QUOTE]
Stern was mad because he embraced AI and the hip-hop generation, then got burned by public perception.

[QUOTE=flipogb]hes just a victim of Stern's power trip[/QUOTE]
This makes no sense. He played until he was 34 and then left the Grizzlies because he didn't want to come off the bench. As he's only going to get older, what team wants to deal with a 35, 36 year-old guard that won't be satisfied with coming off the bench? This has nothing to do with Stern.

AI was forced out of the league. He was brilliant up to the Pistons trade, and that franchise + the league ****ed him over

you are still loved AI

i dont give a shit what the haters say. you were the NBA in the early 00's

why would he accept coming of the bench, behind Rodney ****ing Stuckey. Even I would take it as an insult, and i'm no future hall of famer

[QUOTE=Solid Snake]What are you guys talking about? He REFUSED to adjust his role and play in the system his team wanted, you know, back when he WAS in the NBA?

Or did you forget that?

You guys act like he was somehow outcast for no reason, as if a player averaging 25ppg was ruthlessly quarantined out of some personal agenda.

Get a ****ing clue, as his skills changed from what they once were, he was asked to adjust. Why do you choose to forget that he outright REFUSED to come off the bench (Pistons). And then in his final stint in Philadelphia, he exited using a "saving face" strategy, in which he used some reason about his daughter being sick. Make no mistake, that's an excuse. If your daughter is sick, you NOT playing basketball is not helping her, whatever phantom illness she had, the DOCTORS would've been the ones to help her. Unless it's literally life or death (in which case you could argue he'd want to be there at her bedside for her final moments), there's no reason to stop playing basketball. But that's a moot point, since it turned out there was no verified illness or anything medically wrong with her anyway. Let's also not forget the flyers advertising some club he was gonna be at on that game night...

Iverson was great. But just like Kobe now, he's refused to adjust. Only difference is Kobe's skills are still so good that his selfish refusal to adjust to his teammates, STILL allows him to play at god-like levels. Because when your skill set converges on infinity, "diminishment" is a mortal term.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't hurt that Kobe is 6'6" and AI is like 5'11". A player with AI's size and style doesn't have much room for error and isn't going to age well as a player.

He played well in his last stint with the 76ers..:rockon:
That last game against the lakers was:bowdown:
Shame he couldn't get it together and play in the ASG.

Also, SLAM is still around?
Who the fu*k buys magazines anymore??:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=kurple]why would he accept coming of the bench, behind Rodney ****ing Stuckey. Even I would take it as an insult, and i'm no future hall of famer[/QUOTE]

This. Stuckey:facepalm

[QUOTE=Bucket_Nakedz]allen iverson is a victim. he has been constantly scrutinized, but continues to shine. he is a mans man[/QUOTE]

You have got to be kidding me. Victim? Scrutinized? Continues to shine? How is he a victim? How is he being scruntinized? And where in the world does he continue to shine?

Come on, now. Iverson is no victim here. Love the dude. Loved his game on the court. But he brought this crap on by his own dang self. The dude was find and suspended multiple times in Philly for missing games, leaving practice, and skipping corporate events. But yet, some how, you say that he is a victim? :facepalm

[QUOTE=JellyBean]You have got to be kidding me. Victim? Scrutinized? Continues to shine? How is he a victim? How is he being scruntinized? And where in the world does he continue to shine?

Come on, now. Iverson is no victim here. Love the dude. Loved his game on the court. But he brought this crap on by his own dang self. The dude was find and suspended multiple times in Philly for missing games, leaving practice, and skipping corporate events. But yet, some how, you say that he is a victim? :facepalm[/QUOTE]

he was constantly being villified by the media and that negative perception never dissipated. He was a victim because he was targeted and made an example of for embracing his culture.

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]he was constantly being villified by the media and that negative perception never dissipated. He was a victim because he was targeted and made an example of for embracing his culture.[/QUOTE]
no one can argue this.

[QUOTE=kurple]why would he accept coming of the bench, behind Rodney ****ing Stuckey. Even I would take it as an insult, and i'm no future hall of famer[/QUOTE]
Ray Allen accepted backing up Avery Bradley, a player he was arguably still better than. He didn't like it, but he did it. The reason AI should have accepted his new role should be obvious to all of you: It would have lengthened his career. Like Ray Allen, Iverson was getting old and when a player gets old they have to accept a lesser role if they want to stay in the league. It doesn't matter who they have above you in the rotation, what matters is that the team that is employing you wants you to play a certain role. If you are unwilling to play that role teams will be unwilling to employ you.[QUOTE=kurple]no one can argue this.[/QUOTE]
What, a bunch of stupid nonsense? Actually it's easy. Observe:[QUOTE=STATUTORY]he was constantly being villified by the media and that negative perception never dissipated. He was a victim because he was targeted and made an example of for embracing his culture.[/QUOTE]
He was the first pick in the draft, made 10s of millions of dollars, several ASGs and won the MVP award. Wow, what a victim. Like he's the only player in the NBA that liked rap, baggy jeans and tats. Get a clue.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Ray Allen accepted backing up Avery Bradley, a player he was arguably still better than. He didn't like it, but he did it.[/QUOTE]
1) Iverson averaged 26.4 ppg on his highest FG% EVER the season before he was traded to detroit.

2) Avery Bradley isnt Rodney Stuckey

3) Allen came of the bench 4 ****ing games in Boston. how can u use this as an arguement. 12 if you count the playoffs. but still

this is like not comparable AT ALL

4) Allen averaged 14ppg the season he got "benched". not 26

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]
What, a bunch of stupid nonsense? Actually it's easy. Observe:
He was the first pick in the draft, made 10s of millions of dollars, several ASGs and won the MVP award. Wow, what a victim. Like he's the only player in the NBA that liked rap, baggy jeans and tats. Get a clue.[/QUOTE]
he was loved by the fans, but hated by the league and large parts of the media

imagine if this happened to Kobe. or most stars for that matter.

AI knew he could play. he proved it the year before. I dont blame him for feeling disrespected by being benched for a scrub

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]he was constantly being villified by the media and that negative perception never dissipated. He was a victim because he was targeted and made an example of for embracing his culture.[/QUOTE]


Oh, so it was the media' fault? :oldlol: Stop it!!
Look, I

[QUOTE=kurple]1) Iverson averaged 26.4 ppg on his highest FG% EVER the season before he was traded to detroit.[/quote]Doesn't matter. It's not that AI was never good, he's a HoFer and probably the best 6 ft-and-under scorer ever. His problem was that he was declining. His first year in Detroit he averaged 17.4 ppg on 41.6% (started 50 of 54 games). That's not good. Still starting in Philly 24 of 25 gameshe got 13.9 on 41.7. Again, not good. He was getting old so coaches wanted him to be a reserve. That happens to almost every player fortunate enough to play into his 30s.

[QUOTE]2) Avery Bradley isnt Rodney Stuckey[/QUOTE]At the time Detroit had AI Stuckey was viewed as a potentially excellent offensive guard. Bradley of last year was (and still is) an excellent defender with below-average offensive pg skills.

[QUOTE]3) Allen came of the bench 4 ****ing games in Boston. how can u use this as an arguement. 12 if you count the playoffs. but still[/QUOTE]In that one year (let's go ahead and include the playoffs) he came off the bench more times than AI has his entire career.

[QUOTE]this is like not comparable AT ALL[/QUOTE]The two capital words don't make your argument any more valid.

[quote]4) Allen averaged 14ppg the season he got "benched". not 26[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know...shooting 41.7%.

[QUOTE=kurple]he was loved by the fans, but hated by the league and large parts of the media[/QUOTE]
You do know that the media votes for the MVP award, don't you?

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]he was constantly being villified by the media and that negative perception never dissipated. He was a victim because he was targeted and made an example of for embracing his culture.[/QUOTE]

Culture? :oldlol:

Wow, people seriously think AI is a victim?:roll:

Cool cover.

Interesting fact:AI has a lifetime deal with Reebok so he's going to be making 2001 endorsement again with Reebok's resurgence. Sometimes, loyalty pays off.

[QUOTE=kurple]he was loved by the fans, but hated by the league and large parts of the media[/QUOTE]

He was not hated by the league or by "large" parts of the media. Sure I will agree that some folks in the media might not have liked Iverson but it wasn't a "large" number of them that did not like him. Iverson was popular in the media. How could he not be? The dude was tiny and playing hard. THat is a media and marketing draw.

Also for the league to have "hated" Iverson so much, they sure made a point out "hating" him enough to market him. Iverson's jersey was the top selling jersey in the league for a number of years.

Iverson was a great player. I don't really know if he can be considered a victim. However, there was a lot of hate coming his way for no real apparent reason.

Also, despite popular opinion. He did make all his teammates better, during his Philly days.

You're a fool. The NBA couldn't stop Iverson's influence so they do what businesses do best, adapt and make money. Once he even came close to hurting the bottom line, he got the black plague treatment. Both AI and RIP were extremely unhappy with the decisions their coach was making in Detroit. This has been documented.

As much as I love my buckeyes, Mike Conley Jr. Is still a middling point guard with little to no upside. They are going to have to move him in order to reach anything near a championship.

Iverson's behavior was unacceptable at times but I never misunderstood why. The guys in front of him weren't great and they werent winning, so of course he wants to play.

If he was on the heat instead of Cole for example, do you think we would ever hear him complain? I for one, don't think so.

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I will add this, Allen Iverson had some cold kicks. Those "Question" joints were tight!! I use to rock an Orange and White pair....fresh as heck...showing my age. Who says "Fresh" anymore?

[QUOTE=Just2McFly]You're a fool. The NBA couldn't stop Iverson's influence so they do what businesses do best, adapt and make money. Once he even came close to hurting the bottom line, he got the black plague treatment. Both AI and RIP were extremely unhappy with the decisions their coach was making in Detroit. This has been documented.

As much as I love my buckeyes, Mike Conley Jr. Is still a middling point guard with little to no upside. They are going to have to move him in order to reach anything near a championship.

Iverson's behavior was unacceptable at times but I never misunderstood why. The guys in front of him weren't great and they werent winning, so of course he wants to play.

If he was on the heat instead of Cole for example, do you think we would ever hear him complain? I for one, don't think so.[/QUOTE]
That's not the NBA holding him down, that's a few coaches that actually wanted him on their team wanting him to play a lesser role. Huge difference.

[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]Wow, people seriously think AI is a victim?:roll:[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call him a victim, but he definitely received biased coverage by the media that was over the top.

39% shooter, what a boss:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

1 victory in the finals and he became the most overrated ballhog chucker in NBA history