If Lebron James ends up G.OAT (wake up, he is well on the path) it
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If Lebron James ends up G.OAT (wake up, he is well on the path) it
He will NEVER be GOAT, though. As Johnny Sack from the Sopranos once said, '[I]That ship... has sailed.' [/I]
He'll never be considered the G.O.A.T.
Michael Jordan will always hold that title. You can't lose in the NBA Finals [b]TWICE[/B] and eclispe the great one, which is Jordan.
Lebron is a super star player for the ages. His skill is undeniable. He is a freak of nature. He is the king.
But
He still falls short to Michael Jordan. The greatest of all time. Jordan was just that good.(Also, never backed out of a dunk contest....)
You don't think Larry Bird would have been better at managing talent than Lebron? Wasn't nearly as ball dominant. Bird knew what he wanted to do before he gets the ball and made all his plays within 3 seconds of having possession. Bill Russel (from hearsay) will probably be better than Lebron from this aspect as well.
People need to drop this LeBron GOAT thing. It's ****ing ridiculous.
Can you imagine if ISH was around throughout Jordan's career? Dude would be a God.
You can say he's the most naturally gifted player of all time, but he has no where near the mental fortitude to surpass Jordan. It's not even close.
Drop it.
lmao.. how about it's because he CAN ONLY succeed while playing next to stars?
too easy, too easy :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Joey3000]LBJ is on the right path, and when he ends up with a whole bunch of rings, [b]it won
[QUOTE=Joey3000]If Lebron James ends up G.OAT (wake up, he is well on the path) it
[QUOTE=Bandito]Stop reading right there:facepalm Most retarded thread ever![/QUOTE]
Yea, same here. Was taking OP serious until I saw ''NBA 2k argument''. Then I just :facepalm
[QUOTE=ripthekik]lmao.. how about it's because he CAN ONLY succeed while playing next to stars?
too easy, too easy :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Nobody can succeed without playing with stars...MJ included.
[QUOTE=Foster5k]He'll never be considered the G.O.A.T.
Michael Jordan will always hold that title. You can't lose in the NBA Finals [b]TWICE[/B] and eclispe the great one, which is Jordan.
Lebron is a super star player for the ages. His skill is undeniable. He is a freak of nature. He is the king.
But
He still falls short to Michael Jordan. The greatest of all time. Jordan was just that good.(Also, never backed out of a dunk contest....)[/QUOTE]
James went to the finals for the first time at a very young age (23). He was not in his prime, and lead a team not nearly as good as the chicago bulls. Infact that team was not even a playoff team with out a young james.
Lebron is now 29 and about to get his second title. How old was MJ when he got his second title? wasnt he about 29 also? Exactly.
[QUOTE=All Net]Nobody can succeed without playing with stars...MJ included.[/QUOTE]
how about
[QUOTE]how about it's because he CAN ONLY succeed while playing next to TWO stars?
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]lmao.. how about it's because he CAN ONLY succeed while playing next to stars?
too easy, too easy :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
No thats too easy.
[QUOTE=Bandito]Stop reading right there:facepalm Most retarded thread ever![/QUOTE]
My point was thats its human nature to want to be the best. even if it means drafting a guy like Ray Allen over Kobe to play alongside yourself.
[QUOTE=Joey3000]James went to the finals for the first time at a very young age (23). He was not in his prime, and lead a team not nearly as good as the chicago bulls. Infact that team was not even a playoff team with out a young james.
Lebron is now 29 and about to get his second title. How old was MJ when he got his second title? wasnt he about 29 also? Exactly.[/QUOTE]
What about 2011 when he layed an egg versus the Mavs? The Greatest of All Time doesn't do that.
[QUOTE=Joey3000]
Lebron is now 29 and about to get his second title. How old was MJ when he got his second title? wasnt he about 29 also? Exactly.[/QUOTE]
yes, and if he never loses a series again while winning 5 more rings we can start the goat discussion
[QUOTE=Foster5k]What about 2011 when he layed an egg versus the Mavs? The Greatest of All Time doesn't do that.[/QUOTE]
Nobody called him the Greatest of all time. He has G.O.A.T talent but does not have the achievements.
Why turn this into a MJ vs LBJ arguement? The point is he can coexist with others. Thats a strong point, whether u guys accept that or not.
[QUOTE=tobethdope]yes, and if he never loses a series again while winning 5 more rings we can start the goat discussion[/QUOTE]
I never started a GOAT discusion.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]how about[/QUOTE]
We don't know that he couldn't just win with one star...but we do know he made the finals with just role players.
[QUOTE=All Net]Nobody can succeed without playing with stars...MJ included.[/QUOTE]
Hakeem..
[QUOTE=Joey3000]James went to the finals for the first time at a very young age (23). He was not in his prime, and lead a team not nearly as good as the chicago bulls. Infact that team was not even a playoff team with out a young james.
Lebron is now 29 and about to get his second title. How old was MJ when he got his second title? wasnt he about 29 also? Exactly.[/quote]
His first finals were a bonus. Not winning meant nothing negative, but the 2011 Finals will always prevent him from being GOAT.
Regarding your 2k point(aside from its stupidity): Create an SF and get drafted by the Lakers..
Drexler and Pippen never played on the same team.
OK lets look at it this way. U have this team:
Shaq
Garnett
Kobe
Chris Paul.
Who do u add, MJ or Lebron?
here is another one:
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Pierce
Who do u add? Kobe or Lebron?
[QUOTE=All Net].but we do know he made the finals with just role players.[/QUOTE]
well, plenty of players have done that. Beyond that, no ring is no ring.
[QUOTE]We don't know that he couldn't just win with one star..[/QUOTE]
well we know he can only win with 2 stars in their primes.. until he proves us wrong..
I personally would be very glad to see him prove me wrong.
[QUOTE=Joey3000]OK lets look at it this way. U have this team:
Shaq
Garnett
Kobe
Chris Paul.
Who do u add, MJ or Lebron?
here is another one:
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Pierce
Who do u add? Kobe or Lebron?[/QUOTE]
Both teams win the ring in any league. there is no difference.
The point is LBJ has a unique gift that allows him to coexist. Very few people of his talent level can coexist and people see that as a negative. He is gunna ride that talent to multiple titles and all you will be able to say is stupid things like "He couldnt do it alone".
Yet you will ignore that his peers couldnt addapt to playing with other great players.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Both teams win the ring in any league. there is no difference.[/QUOTE]
Based on what? Yeah they are talented, but can they coexist?
Before the season started everybody was on the Lakers championship boat. Now I know they are unhealthy, but the other situation that we cant ignor is that they cant coexist.
[QUOTE=Joey3000]The point is LBJ has a unique gift that allows him to coexist. Very few people of his talent level can coexist and people see that as a negative. He is gunna ride that talent to multiple titles and all you will be able to say is stupid things like "He couldnt do it alone".
Yet you will ignore that his peers couldnt addapt to playing with other great players.[/QUOTE]
He has a unique gift to only win when coexisting with two stars. few people of his talent level need to coexist with two more stars to win. he is gonna ride those talents to multiple titles and we will say he couldnt do it alone.
Yes he has the GOAT ability to stack his team to ensure he faces the least amount of competition.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]He has a unique gift to only win when coexisting with two stars. few people of his talent level need to coexist with two more stars to win. he is gonna ride those talents to multiple titles and we will say he couldnt do it alone.[/QUOTE]
still better than your kobe
[QUOTE=red1]still better than your kobe[/QUOTE]
the kobe that dropped 81 points on your raptors? ok.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]He has a unique gift to only win when coexisting with two stars. few people of his talent level need to coexist with two more stars to win. he is gonna ride those talents to multiple titles and we will say he couldnt do it alone.[/QUOTE]
haters will hate no matter how idiotic it is..
I haven't read one post in this thread beyond the OP, so I don't know if I'm repeating anything. But concerning the ability to play with other stars, Russell, Magic, and Bird scream, "Hellooooo!"
Let me dumb it down for u a little more since u cant grasp my point.
Shaq
Hakeem
Bird
Lebron
Paul
would defeat a team of
Shaq
Hakeem
Bird
Jordan
Paul
Not because LBJ is a better individual player. But because LBJ would make every player on that stacked team better than MJ could make them.
Will MJ still be more clutch than Lebron? yes. But Bird would easily match MJ's clutchness with LBJ's support.
Shaq is a better Shaq with LBJ than Jordan.
Same for Hakeem.
Chris paul would still be involved in the offense with LBJ, where he would tuirn into a spot up shooter with that much talent on a team lead by MJ.
R u getting the point yet?
all he needs is to win more rings than MJ and he automatically rises above his Airness
[QUOTE=Joey3000]Let me dumb it down for u a little more since u cant grasp my point.
Shaq
Hakeem
Bird
Lebron
Paul
would defeat a team of
Shaq
Hakeem
Bird
Jordan
Paul
Not because LBJ is a better individual player. But because LBJ would make every player on that stacked team better than MJ could make them.
Will MJ still be more clutch than Lebron? yes. But Bird would easily match MJ's clutchness with LBJ's support.
Shaq is a better Shaq with LBJ than Jordan.
Same for Hakeem.
Chris paul would still be involved in the offense with LBJ, where he would tuirn into a spot up shooter with that much talent on a team lead by MJ.
R u getting the point it?[/QUOTE]
Your logic is flawed since every player would cancel each other's advantage and all you're left with is a MJ vs LBJ match up.
[QUOTE=Joey3000]OK lets look at it this way. U have this team:
Shaq
Garnett
Kobe
Chris Paul.
Who do u add, MJ or Lebron?
[/QUOTE]
Jordan would be a much better fit for that team because of his off ball play. Lebron would severely limit Kobe and Paul's game who's strengths come from playing on ball. There's only one basketball, and I'm confident that team would be a lot better with Jordan in place of Lebron.
[QUOTE]here is another one:
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Pierce
Who do u add? Kobe or Lebron?[/QUOTE]
That team doesn't have a PG so I'd go with Lebron in that situation. Pierce and Bird are capable of playing off the ball.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]the kobe that dropped 81 points on your raptors? ok.[/QUOTE]
you need to get off both players' jocks
[QUOTE=Haymaker]Your logic is flawed since every player would cancel each other's advantage and all you're left with is a MJ vs LBJ match up.[/QUOTE]
No because I wanted it to come to a showdown between mj and LBJ. The point is yes, MJ is the better individuel player, but LBJ is the better team player. And that ascpect of greatness is often overlooked.
[QUOTE=jlip]I haven't read one post in this thread beyond the OP, so I don't know if I'm repeating anything. But concerning the ability to play with other stars, Russell, Magic, and Bird scream, "Hellooooo!"[/QUOTE]
This thread is almost ironic in my opinion. I'd almost say Lebron's inability to mesh with other all time greats - because of his need to dominate the ball - is one of his biggest weaknesses. He's gotten a lot better these past couple of years though, so I'm more hesitant to say that now than I would have been in 2011.
OP is retarded.
[QUOTE=Joey3000]No because I wanted it to come to a showdown between mj and LBJ. The point is yes, MJ is the better individuel player, but LBJ is the better team player. And that ascpect of greatness is often overlooked.[/QUOTE]
It's flawed, because I can also ask you
Center
Center
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Which guy would benefit this team as the 5th man more, Shaq or Chris Paul?
Obviously Chris Paul would. But Shaq's still the better player.