It seems to me like people are getting ACL tears left and right these days. I remember it being one of the most serious injuries, but I don't remember like 10 people going down with one every year.
-Smak
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It seems to me like people are getting ACL tears left and right these days. I remember it being one of the most serious injuries, but I don't remember like 10 people going down with one every year.
-Smak
Adidas shoes have caused most of them.
[QUOTE=ILLsmak]It seems to me like people are getting ACL tears left and right these days. I remember it being one of the most serious injuries, but I don't remember like 10 people going down with one every year.
-Smak[/QUOTE]
Right, seems like an epidemic. It may be the PED's.
[QUOTE=Haymaker]Right, seems like an epidemic. It may be the PED's.[/QUOTE]
Well, a lot of shit is different now in general. Who knows what it could be. The shoes, it could be nutrition. It could be PEDs. Even legal PEDs.
I don't have a great memory and I can't really look up ACL history, but I swear more people are going down with them than before.
Just a crazy coincidence?
-Smak
Or it could just mean nothing, and the particular players that got them, just happened to have an ACL injury. :confusedshrug:
without really thinking in detail about it, it seems to happen more often to guards/forwards(or am i entirely wrong). Maybe it has to do with they way the play. ie: stopping and starting, jump stops, etc.
[QUOTE=SacJB Shady]It definitely is the PED's. PED's increase your performance but they also make injuries that much worse when you do get hurt. So you are paying a price.[/QUOTE]
PED's actually help you heal quicker from injuries, and help prevent from injuries.
I wish Rose was actually on roids, so he would've healed properly from all those injuries last year. :facepalm
[QUOTE=tikay0]PED's actually help you heal quicker from injuries, and help prevent from injuries.
I wish Rose was actually on roids, so he would've healed properly from all those injuries last year. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Hes fine. Hes just scared of Miami
[QUOTE=tikay0]PED's actually help you heal quicker from injuries, and help prevent from injuries.
I wish Rose was actually on roids, so he would've healed properly from all those injuries last year. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Only HGH helps healing faster.
[QUOTE=SacJB Shady]You're WRONG but that's okay. We know that MLB players took roids and this is not a discussion of whether you like MLB or not. Bonds was hurt almost a full year after breaking records and A Rod has been hurt for 2 years now and it's all because of roids.
YES you do heal from injuries faster when you're on roids. Yes, that's true. However, in the LONG RUN your body suffers more than it benefits and when you get seriously injured, it gets exacerbated from the roids. Your muscles get too strong for your tendons and ligaments so in the long run you will get hurt. Short term, yes you get better only to set you up for an installment plan, if you will.[/QUOTE]
It's gotta be more than that, though, even assuming that's true. They had to be using PEDs in the 80s/90s as well. It's not like people just started. But for whatever reason it seems like, and maybe it's just law of averages... but it seems like players, especially stars, are getting a lot more ACL injuries in bball.
-Smak
[QUOTE=SacJB Shady]You're WRONG but that's okay. We know that MLB players took roids and this is not a discussion of whether you like MLB or not. Bonds was hurt almost a full year after breaking records and A Rod has been hurt for 2 years now and it's all because of roids.
YES you do heal from injuries faster when you're on roids. Yes, that's true. However, in the LONG RUN your body suffers more than it benefits and when you get seriously injured, it gets exacerbated from the roids. Your muscles get too strong for your tendons and ligaments so in the long run you will get hurt. Short term, yes you get better only to set you up for an installment plan, if you will.[/QUOTE]
But the players mentioned aren't older players.
I think players are trying to showboat more these days & trying to make more athletic plays which causes more wear & tear on the knee's.
I don't remember a team more destroyed by injuries than this year's T-Wolves. I'm sure there has to have been one sometime, but I don't remember it. Of course Love was a hand but look:
[B]Rubio ACL (yeah last season but still... he missed almost 1/2 this season because of it)
Budinger ACL
Josh Howard knee ended his career
Malcolm Lee knee ended his season
[/B]
There have been other serious injuries - Pekovic for example, had bone spur surgery and some ankle issues, aside from the Laker kidney punch - but not knee related.
And that's not counting [B]Brandon Roy[/B] since his recovery was a hope and a prayer from the get-go.
I had been suspecting their trainer, or maybe some specific exercise they do in practice because that's just crazy... I think all were starters at the time they got hurt
[QUOTE=SacJB Shady]But when you put the unnatural things in your body, you take a higher risk than if you do it naturally like Nash[/QUOTE]
Nash has had back problems for a while now.
There were a bunch of torn ACLs last year because of the lockout players were not getting proper rest.
[QUOTE=tikay0]PED's actually help you heal quicker from injuries, and help prevent from injuries.
I wish Rose was actually on roids, so he would've healed properly from all those injuries last year. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Lol he is healed and cleared to play and him not being mentally ready doesn't mean he's not on HGH
[QUOTE=Pacers4ever]Lol he is healed and cleared to play and him not being mentally ready doesn't mean he's not on HGH[/QUOTE]
I was talking about last year.
speaking of ACL, DeJuan Blair's going on 4 seasons with no ACL in either knee
[img]http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/12/34/33/2737912/5/628x471.jpg[/img]
could be the shoes, they are lighter and allow for more athletic moves and cuts . moves that their ligaments can't really handle
[QUOTE=tikay0]I was talking about last year.[/QUOTE]
the same result is still possible if you take PEDs... It's like you assume if you are on HGH you can't possibly be injury prone which is not true.
[QUOTE=SacJB Shady][B]It definitely is the PED's.[/B] PED's increase your performance but they also make injuries that much worse when you do get hurt. So you are paying a price.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SacJB Shady]You're WRONG but that's okay. We know that MLB players took roids and this is not a discussion of whether you like MLB or not. Bonds was hurt almost a full year after breaking records and A Rod has been hurt for 2 years now and it's all because of roids.
YES you do heal from injuries faster when you're on roids. Yes, that's true. However, [B]in the LONG RUN your body suffers[/B] more than it benefits and when you get seriously injured, it gets exacerbated from the roids. [B]Your muscles get too strong for your tendons and ligaments[/B] so in the long run you will get hurt. Short term, yes you get better only to set you up for an installment plan, if you will.[/QUOTE]
Your an absolute ****wit of the highest order. Your not actually worthy of a dignified response, i'm only responding so other don't get caught up in your stupidity.
So you've started by saying PED's are the reason players get torn ACL's and then within minutes said it now hurts you in the long run? Constant abuse of performance enhancing drugs will lead to a break down of your body, but generally around the ages of 45-60 depending on the level of abuse.
Also don't go acting like the players on PED's muscles are too strong for their tendons and joints hence why ACL's are being done left right and center. Obviously PED's allow you to develop your muscles to a much higher size than usual, but unless your quads look like this:
[IMG]http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/06-127-training/image001.jpg[/IMG]
Then PED's in a constant moving sport like basketball aren't too blame. I think it's time to put your big boy thinking cap on and realise that basketball is a rough sport on your legs, constant moving in different directions coupled with the fact that humans generally aren't designed to move like that at such speeds.
There's a reason why so many players retire early and have tendonitis, arthritis and other such injuries hampering them throughout their career and life.
[QUOTE=Pacers4ever]the same result is still possible if you take PEDs... It's like you assume if you are on HGH you can't possibly be injury prone which is not true.[/QUOTE]
And the opposite is also true. To blame PED's for their injuries is idiotic in the first place. That's my whole point.
[QUOTE=ILLsmak]It seems to me like people are getting ACL tears left and right these days. I remember it being one of the most serious injuries, but I don't remember like 10 people going down with one every year.
-Smak[/QUOTE]
I've been thinking this since last season. Made me afraid of playing basketball. If it's up, then there's got to be a reason.
I think it's a combo of new tech in shoes and improper training.
I don't understand why companies are so into making 'the lightest shoe'. You really think a 12oz shoe vs a 20oz shoe is going to make a difference for a guy like LeBron?
Obviously the NBA teams have great trainers, but I feel like they focus too much on strength. Flexibility doesn't seem as important to them.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]I think it's a combo of new tech in shoes and improper training.
I don't understand why companies are so into making 'the lightest shoe'. You really think a 12oz shoe vs a 20oz shoe is going to make a difference for a guy like LeBron?
Obviously the NBA teams have great trainers, but I feel like they focus too much on strength. Flexibility doesn't seem as important to them.[/QUOTE]
Strength training improves flexibility i
[QUOTE=Ikill]Strength training improves flexibility i[/QUOTE]
Flexibility training improves flexibility too.
I always thought that the sneakers nowadays being so good and the courts being so good meant that there was TOO much grip at times. So sometimes on an awkward cut or landing, where in the past your foot would slide for a fraction of a second, giving the rest of your bones/joints/muscles time to react and stabilize, now it's instant and you end up with more acute injuries like this. Who knows, just thinking out loud.
There is so much stupidity and misinformation in this thread it's mind boggling. This thread should be deleted immediately.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Flexibility training improves flexibility too.[/QUOTE]
they do bunch of flexibility stuff in their warm ups before game the trainers know what there doing
[QUOTE=Ikill]they do bunch of flexibility stuff in their warm ups before game the trainers know what there doing[/QUOTE]
Apparently they DON'T know what they're doing or we wouldn't be seeing all these crazy numbers of injuries.
[QUOTE=Ikill]Strength training improves flexibility i[/QUOTE]
not sure if trolling...but strength training destroys flexibility...
[QUOTE=iDunk]I think players are trying to showboat more these days & trying to make more athletic plays which causes more wear & tear on the knee's.[/QUOTE]
dingdingdingding!!
[QUOTE=Trentknicks]Your an absolute ****wit of the highest order. Your not actually worthy of a dignified response, i'm only responding so other don't get caught up in your stupidity.
So you've started by saying PED's are the reason players get torn ACL's and then within minutes said it now hurts you in the long run? Constant abuse of performance enhancing drugs will lead to a break down of your body, but generally around the ages of 45-60 depending on the level of abuse.
Also don't go acting like the players on PED's muscles are too strong for their tendons and joints hence why ACL's are being done left right and center. Obviously PED's allow you to develop your muscles to a much higher size than usual, but unless your quads look like this:
Then PED's in a constant moving sport like basketball aren't too blame. I think it's time to put your big boy thinking cap on and realise that basketball is a rough sport on your legs, constant moving in different directions coupled with the fact that humans generally aren't designed to move like that at such speeds.
There's a reason why so many players retire early and have tendonitis, arthritis and other such injuries hampering them throughout their career and life.[/QUOTE]
I beg the differ. And first of all. it's you're, no your. But you just confessed that your body can indeed breakdown over a certain length of time from PED use. 45-60 years of age? If that is so, then please explain why virtually all baseball players on drugs got hurt towards the end of their career. Mcgwire, Bonds, A Rod are some just to name a few. You said yourself that the body is not designed to take all the vicious and brutal punishment from all that slashing, cutting, and banging. That combined with PED's can indeed make your body unequivocally more susceptible to a myriad of injuries. That is fact. Your muscles don't need to be as big as the pic you posted. They just need to be too strong for your tendons and ligaments. And remember this: An NBA players body ages faster because of all the wear and tear.
[QUOTE=The Choken One]not sure if trolling...but strength training destroys flexibility...[/QUOTE]
no it doesnt idiot. go read a thing or two. :facepalm at the stupid idiots talking roids, strength training and lifting. everyone stfu. you all know nothing from what ive read
[QUOTE=dgaras]no it doesnt idiot. go read a thing or two. :facepalm at the stupid idiots talking roids, strength training and lifting. everyone stfu. you all know nothing from what ive read[/QUOTE]
yes it does, if you are flexible then it means you worked in some flexibility training int there
[QUOTE=dgaras]no it doesnt idiot. go read a thing or two. :facepalm at the stupid idiots talking roids, strength training and lifting. everyone stfu. you all know nothing from what ive read[/QUOTE]
Strength training can destroy flexibility overtime if you bulk up and do not stretch. Certain exercises such as pilates make you more flexible. But if you don't use proper form when you lift heavy, that can make muscles get tight. When you put too much stress on yourself it does lead to inflexibility. That's why proper form is vital.
The euro step just invites awkward landing points for feet..and as a result, legs buckle to places they shouldn't
SacJB running this thread.
[QUOTE=SacJB Shady]I beg the differ. And first of all. it's you're, no your
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First of all, it's beg to differ not "beg the differ". Oh the irony.
[QUOTE=tikay0]PED's actually help you heal quicker from injuries, and help prevent from injuries.
I wish Rose was actually on roids, so he would've healed properly from all those injuries last year. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Most PEDs have huge negative side effects for your health. Increased risk of injury is one of them.