Charles Barkley Shot Chart (1992-1993)

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[URL="http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=787"]http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=787[/URL]

Much like the NBA.com templates, I have complied a basic chart of Barkley's shooting from various games during his 1992-1993 season. I am also charting some of his Sixers games from 1988-92, which I will later add to this thread. Keep in mind some of the zones on the first chart overlap the paint and mid-range areas. The paint is separated by shots at the rim (layups/dunks) and shots outside of the rim area (seeing as there was no restricted circle at the time). Mid-range is defined as anything outside the paint and inside the 3 point line. The shot charts have been compiled from the following games/series (27 games in total):

* A couple of games are incomplete with FGA unaccounted for on chart

Dec 22, 1992 - Warriors vs. Suns
Feb 7, 1993 - Magic vs. Suns [B]*4 FGA[/B]
Mar 3, 1993 - Sixers vs. Suns
Mar 23, 1993 - Knicks vs. Suns
Mar 28, 1993 - Suns vs. Sixers (2nd Half Only) [B] *12 FGA[/B]
Mar 30, 1993 - Suns vs. Bulls
Apr 2, 1993 - Suns vs. Celtics
Apr 6, 1993 - Lakers vs. Suns
1993 Playoffs Suns vs. Spurs (Full Series)
1993 Playoffs Suns vs. Sonics (Full Series)
1993 Finals Suns vs. Bulls (Full Series)


[B]At Rim:[/B] 156/192 FG (81.3%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 175/264 (66.3%)
[B]Mid-Range:[/B] 75/205 FG (36.6%)
[B]3 Point:[/B] 16/57 FG (28.1%)
[B]Slam Dunk:[/B] 44/49 FG (89.8%)



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Oh wow. I guess he's not that good of a shooter as I thought he was.

[quote=turnaroundJ]Oh wow. I guess he's not that good of a shooter as I thought he was.[/quote]

He was in a bit of a slump early on in the playoffs though. Overall his FG% was only 47.7%, and he did have a tendency of taking long 2 point shots from the corners. But he was so dominating in the paint that it somewhat makes up for it. I will later add some of the Sixers games of his from 1988-92 to this thread. Perhaps then his midrange percentage will rise.

[QUOTE=PHILA][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WyguTnb.jpg[/IMG]


[URL="http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=787"]http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=787[/URL]

Much like the NBA.com templates, I have complied a basic chart of Barkley's shooting from various games during his 1992-1993 season. I am also charting some of his Sixers games from 1988-92, which I will later add to this thread. Keep in mind some of the zones on the first chart overlap the paint and mid-range areas. The paint is separated by shots at the rim (layups/dunks) and shots outside of the rim area (seeing as there was no restricted circle at the time). Mid-range is defined as anything outside the paint and inside the 3 point line. The shot charts have been compiled from the following games/series (27 games in total):

* A couple of games are incomplete with FGA unaccounted for on chart

Dec 22, 1992 - Warriors vs. Suns
Feb 7, 1993 - Magic vs. Suns [B]*4 FGA[/B]
Mar 3, 1993 - Sixers vs. Suns
Mar 23, 1993 - Knicks vs. Suns
Mar 28, 1993 - Suns vs. Sixers (2nd Half Only) [B] *12 FGA[/B]
Mar 30, 1993 - Suns vs. Bulls
Apr 2, 1993 - Suns vs. Celtics
Apr 6, 1993 - Lakers vs. Suns
1993 Playoffs Suns vs. Spurs (Full Series)
1993 Playoffs Suns vs. Sonics (Full Series)
1993 Finals Suns vs. Bulls (Full Series)


[B]At Rim:[/B] 156/192 FG (81.3%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 175/264 (66.3%)
[B]Mid-Range:[/B] 75/205 FG (36.6%)
[B]3 Point:[/B] 16/57 FG (28.1%)
[B]Slam Dunk:[/B] 44/49 FG (89.8%)

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[B]Around The Paint and Near the Paint He Was More Effective Than Even Shaq :bowdown:

Charles is By Far the Most Underrated Great of All Time! [/B]

LOL barkley ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Rings :lol :lol :lol

21/78 from the corners. good lord i guess why they call him chuck

[SIZE="7"]0[/SIZE] rings

[B]I See Alot of Envy Here...How Can a 6

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]I See Alot of Envy Here...How Can a 6

[QUOTE=SMoKe0uT]Too bad it didnt translate into championships. Snaq >>> Barkey[/QUOTE]

[B]To Bad Barkley did Not Play With KOBE O and Glen Rice, Ron Harper etc and By The Way. He Had Phil Jackson as Coach - Inst

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]To Bad Barkley did Not Play With KOBE O and Glen Rice, Ron Harper etc and By The Way. He Had Phil Jackson as Coach - Inst

Great player, would have been even better if he had the desire and passion for the game to get in shape once in a while. Unfortunately, he only wanted to get by on his physical gifts.

- Felt

[QUOTE=SMoKe0uT]LOL @ comparing barkley to the most dominant force in Leauge history. Too bad barkley didnt have the will to win a chip. jordan said so himself[/QUOTE]

:no:

[B]Shaq was as Worst as Sir Charles in Terms of Protecting his Body The Difference is Shaq Was 7

The shame is that Barkley cared more about going to strip clubs and pizza than playing defense and coming into camp in shape.

- Felt

Great talent but I consider him an underachiever.

- Felt

[quote=Round Mound][B]He Dominated the Paint Like Shaq Did :bowdown: [/B][/quote]
[URL="http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=406&Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&zone-mode=basic"]http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=406&Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&zone-mode=basic[/URL]


NBA.com recently has added complete shot charts going back to 1997. If we use that let us compare this 27 game sample to that of Shaq. Barkley is clearly more efficient as a finisher in the paint on a similar number of shot attempts (if you focus on Shaq's playoffs). Though to be fair the defense knew where Shaq was going to shoot from, whereas Barkley would mix it up inside and outside. In looking at primary go to offensive players I can see the likes of Shaq, Wilt Chamberlain, Artis Gilmore, Kareem, etc being in this ballpark level of efficiency at the basket. I'm sure it is a very short list. LeBron James is also in the mid 70% range the past few seasons.




[SIZE=3][B]Charles Barkley 1992-93[/B][/SIZE] (27 Games)

[B]At Rim:[/B] 156/192 FG (81.3%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 175/264 (66.3%)




[SIZE=3][B]Shaquille O'Neal 1999-00[/B][/SIZE]

[U][B]Regular Season[/B][/U]

[B]At Rim:[/B] 571/763 FG (74.8%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 887/1460 (60.8%)


[U][B]Playoffs[/B][/U]

[B]At Rim:[/B] 153/203 FG (75.4%)
[B]In Paint (Overall): [/B]260/432 FG (60.2%)




[SIZE=3][B]Shaquille O'Neal 2000-01[/B][/SIZE]

[U][B]Regular Season[/B][/U]

[B]At Rim:[/B] 506/654 FG (77.4%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 740/1223 (60.5%)


[U][B]Playoffs[/B][/U]

[B]At Rim:[/B] 123/167 FG (73.7%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 173/296 (58.4%)

That finishing ability :bowdown:

[QUOTE=Round Mound]:no:

[B]The Most Dominant Force in League History is Wilt Chamberlain Then The Rest. Shaq is the Best Inside the Paint Dunker of All Time I

[QUOTE=PHILA][URL="http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=406&Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&zone-mode=basic"]http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=406&Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&zone-mode=basic[/URL]


NBA.com recently has added complete shot charts going back to 1997. If we use that let us compare this 27 game sample to that of Shaq. Barkley is clearly more efficient as a finisher in the paint on a similar number of shot attempts (if you focus on Shaq's playoffs). [SIZE="3"][COLOR="Blue"][I][B][U]Though to be fair the defense knew where Shaq was going to shoot from, whereas Barkley would mix it up inside and outside.[/U][/B][/I][/COLOR][/SIZE] In looking at primary go to offensive players I can see the likes of Shaq, Wilt Chamberlain, Artis Gilmore, Kareem, etc being in this ballpark level of efficiency at the basket. I'm sure it is a very short list. LeBron James is also in the mid 70% range the past few seasons.




[SIZE=3][B]Charles Barkley 1992-93[/B][/SIZE] (27 Games)

[B]At Rim:[/B] 156/192 FG (81.3%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 175/264 (66.3%)




[SIZE=3][B]Shaquille O'Neal 1999-00[/B][/SIZE]

[U][B]Regular Season[/B][/U]

[B]At Rim:[/B] 571/763 FG (74.8%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 887/1460 (60.8%)


[U][B]Playoffs[/B][/U]

[B]At Rim:[/B] 153/203 FG (75.4%)
[B]In Paint (Overall): [/B]260/432 FG (60.2%)




[SIZE=3][B]Shaquille O'Neal 2000-01[/B][/SIZE]

[U][B]Regular Season[/B][/U]

[B]At Rim:[/B] 506/654 FG (77.4%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 740/1223 (60.5%)


[U][B]Playoffs[/B][/U]

[B]At Rim:[/B] 123/167 FG (73.7%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 173/296 (58.4%)[/QUOTE]


:applause: [B]Exactly Barkley Would Mix It Up In Between The Paint and Mid Range and Still Could Not Be Stopped. Players in the Late 80s and Early 90s Where Double Teaming and Triple Teaming Barkley at Mid Range. They Would Sandwich Him Right When He Go the Ball at Mid Range.

Barkley Is the Most Skilled Inside Scorer Ever![/B]

[QUOTE=Round Mound]We Won an MVP In JORDAN

[QUOTE=aj1987]Hakeem, Magic and D-Rob.[/QUOTE]


Magic, yes. Hakeem and D-Rob, no.

My favorite player of all time :oldlol: .
Sad that he hadn't won a ring because of that guy wearing #23.
I can't believe how he can outrebound guys that were like 5-7 inch taller than him.

Added 1988-92 charts (28 games total)



[B]At Rim:[/B] 216/270 FG (80.0%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 237/324 FG (73.1%)
[B]Mid-Range:[/B] 41/93 FG (44.1%)
[B]3 Point:[/B] 13/53 FG (24.5%)
[B]Slam Dunk:[/B] 63/64 FG (98.4%)



*A couple games are incomplete with FGA unaccounted for on chart

Nov 30, 1987 - Sixers vs. Jazz
Nov 8, 1988 - Pistons vs. Sixers
Nov 16, 1988 - Bulls vs. Sixers
Dec 28, 1988 - Sixers vs. Lakers
Mar 16, 1989 - Sixers vs. Knicks
Nov 14, 1989 - Sixers vs. Celtics
Mar 11, 1990 - Sixers vs. Celtics
Apr 7, 1990 - Sixers vs. Hawks
Apr 19, 1990 - Sixers vs. Pistons
1990 Playoffs Game 5 Sixers vs. Cavs
1990 Playoffs Sixers vs. Bulls (Full Series)
Nov 2, 1990 - Sixers vs. Bulls [B]*2 FGA[/B]
Nov 30, 1990 - Sixers vs. Pistons
Dec 28, 1990 - Sixers vs. Suns
Jan 9, 1991 - Bulls vs. Sixers
1991 Playoffs Sixers vs. Bulls (Full Series)
Nov 1, 1991 - Sixers vs. Bulls
Nov 22, 1991 - Hawks vs. Sixers (Incomplete) [B]*8 FGA[/B]
Mar 8, 1992 - Bulls vs. Sixers
Apr 4, 1992 - Sixers vs. Hawks





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[QUOTE=PHILA]Added 1988-92 charts (28 games total)



[B]At Rim:[/B] 216/270 FG (80.0%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 237/324 FG (73.1%)
[B]Mid-Range:[/B] 41/93 FG (44.1%)
[B]3 Point:[/B] 13/53 FG (24.5%)
[B]Slam Dunk:[/B] 63/64 FG (98.4%)



*A couple games are incomplete with FGA unaccounted for on chart

Nov 30, 1987 - Sixers vs. Jazz
Nov 8, 1988 - Pistons vs. Sixers
Nov 16, 1988 - Bulls vs. Sixers
Dec 28, 1988 - Sixers vs. Lakers
Mar 16, 1989 - Sixers vs. Knicks
Nov 14, 1989 - Sixers vs. Celtics
Mar 11, 1990 - Sixers vs. Celtics
Apr 7, 1990 - Sixers vs. Hawks
Apr 19, 1990 - Sixers vs. Pistons
1990 Playoffs Game 5 Sixers vs. Cavs
1990 Playoffs Sixers vs. Bulls (Full Series)
Nov 2, 1990 - Sixers vs. Bulls [B]*2 FGA[/B]
Nov 30, 1990 - Sixers vs. Pistons
Dec 28, 1990 - Sixers vs. Suns
Jan 9, 1991 - Bulls vs. Sixers
1991 Playoffs Sixers vs. Bulls (Full Series)
Nov 1, 1991 - Sixers vs. Bulls
Nov 22, 1991 - Hawks vs. Sixers (Incomplete) [B]*8 FGA[/B]
Mar 8, 1992 - Bulls vs. Sixers
Apr 4, 1992 - Sixers vs. Hawks





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[SIZE="3"][B]Most Efficient Paint Scorer of All Time![/B][/SIZE] :bowdown:

I kinda hated the 3pt shooting Barkley.

[QUOTE=Big#50]I kinda hated the 3pt shooting Barkley.[/QUOTE]

[B]Me too but that Was Suns and Rockets Barkley. Not the Sixers Barkley...mmm...

But It Wasn

Hi phila,
You mean you actually calculate it Yourself?
Hard work

[quote=michaelray]Hi phila,
You mean you actually calculate it Yourself?
Hard work[/quote]

I just watched the games over a few months time & kept track of where his shots were taken from. With the Sixers he was quite a bit quicker and more explosive than in Phoenix, notably before his MCL sprain in April 1991. He couldn't do those wicked spin moves in the playoffs with the huge knee brace on. Though he said he had a stronger base overall in PHX due to the weight program. He later regretting not beginning weight lifting earlier.


[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9tL2e6EsFw&t=8m44s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9tL2e6EsFw&t=8m44s[/URL]





[I]Philadelphia Daily News - November 05, 1992

The Suns are trying to maximize Barkley's muscle.

"The Suns have me lifting weights every day; I never did that before," Barkley said. "They even have a strength and conditioning coach who travels with us every game. I think the weights are really helping me. I feel a lot stronger."[/I]





[I]Houston Health & Fitness - January 1998

CHARLES BARKLEY IS A TREE TRUNK ON THE COURT. Solid. Immovable. “He's strong,” says Falsone. “He does a lot of leg work. It's the foundation of his game. He has to be able to move bodies and to be immovable himself.” Falsone knows precisely how sturdy Sir Charles is; he's engaged him one-on-one. “Trying to move that man is impossible. And a lot of guys in the NBA find out the same thing. He has a very, very strong lower body.”

Fresh out of Auburn in 1984 Barkley didn't give much credence to weight training to improve his game. Indeed, there were no strength & conditioning coaches in the colleges or the league at that time to tell him. “I work on my cardiovascular a lot,” says Barkley, lingering in the locker room following a December off-day practice. “I always have. If you aren't in shape you can't play in this league. But the biggest difference in my approach now is the weightlifting. [B][SIZE=3]If I have one regret, it's that I should have started lifting weights 10 years ago.”[/SIZE][/B]

In fact, Barkley began pressing the iron six years previous under Phoenix's strength & conditioning coach Robin Pound. “Robin developed a program that Charles felt comfortable with and got results from,” Falsone says. “That was the hard part. My job is easy now. Robin and I spoke about the things that they had been doing and I've just had to keep that going.”[/I]

The only good quality pic of the knee brace I could find.



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[QUOTE=PHILA]I just watched the games over a few months time & kept track of where his shots were taken from. With the Sixers he was quite a bit quicker and more explosive than in Phoenix, notably before his MCL sprain in April 1991. He couldn't do those wicked spin moves in the playoffs with the huge knee brace on. Though he said he had a stronger base overall in PHX due to the weight program. He later regretting not beginning weight lifting earlier.


[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9tL2e6EsFw&t=8m44s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9tL2e6EsFw&t=8m44s[/URL]





[I]Philadelphia Daily News - November 05, 1992

The Suns are trying to maximize Barkley's muscle.

"The Suns have me lifting weights every day; I never did that before," Barkley said. "They even have a strength and conditioning coach who travels with us every game. I think the weights are really helping me. I feel a lot stronger."[/I]





[I]Houston Health & Fitness - January 1998

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Blue"][B]CHARLES BARKLEY IS A TREE TRUNK ON THE COURT. Solid. Immovable.

[QUOTE=Round Mound]

We Won an MVP In JORDAN

[quote=Round Mound][B]PHILA Do You Remember When I Was Mentioning This (colored and bold) Before This Article Came Up? :applause: Lower Torso and Leg Strength Is Very Important In Positioning and Rebounding Tecniques. Just Imagine if Charles Would Have Done More Upper Torso Work Consistantly? It Would Have Been Insane.[/B][/quote]

Yes he would have had better longevity. A consistent weight program and better discipline in the off season would have extended his prime by a few years. Chances are he would have healthy in 1994 and 1995 in particular. Though his legs and core strength are among the best ever. There is really no ideal type of defender to put on him.


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6MajoWt-7U&t=27m39s[/url]




Some more from the article:

[URL="http://www.anthonyfalsone.com/press.asp?id=9"]http://www.anthonyfalsone.com/press.asp?id=9[/URL]

[I]And most thought Barley's career would end before now. After watching him fight through near-crippling back pain in the 1995 playoffs while with Phoenix, everyone anticipated a big retirement speech when the Suns bowed out to the Rockets. Charles, however, persevered.[/I]

[I]“Charles knows that in order to do the things that he wants to do his back has to be strong and stable, his legs have to be strong, and his knee has to be healthy. A few years ago he had a series of back stabilization exercises prescribed to him specifically. He's been consistent with them. He always experiences some level of back pain, but if he is consistent with the exercises we can keep it from being severe.”[/I]

[I]“You know when Charles missed games this past year? The injuries were not related to his back or to his knee, problems he's had in the past. That's really a testament to his consistency with the (strength & conditioning) program.[/I]

[I]A fact that Barkley confirms. “I haven't had any real back problems in a few years because I have stuck closely to the program.” [/I]

[QUOTE=PHILA]Yes he would have had better longevity. A consistent weight program and better discipline in the off season would have extended his prime by a few years. Chances are he would have healthy in 1994 and 1995 in particular. Though his legs and core strength are among the best ever. There is really no ideal type of defender to put on him.


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6MajoWt-7U&t=27m39s[/url]




Some more from the article:

[URL="http://www.anthonyfalsone.com/press.asp?id=9"]http://www.anthonyfalsone.com/press.asp?id=9[/URL]

[I]And most thought Barley's career would end before now. After watching him fight through near-crippling back pain in the 1995 playoffs while with Phoenix, everyone anticipated a big retirement speech when the Suns bowed out to the Rockets. Charles, however, persevered.[/I]

[I]

Interesting information, thanks, Phila!

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]To Bad Barkley did Not Play With KOBE O and Glen Rice, Ron Harper etc and By The Way. He Had Phil Jackson as Coach - Inst

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Interesting information, thanks, Phila!



No need to be disingenuous, Round Mound, Glen Rice was nowhere near prime form when Shaq played with him. Rice was never the same after his elbow surgery in '99 and he wasn't particularly important to the 2000 Lakers, especially since he never really accepted his role or fit in to the triangle. That's why they made no effort to keep him, didn't even look for a replacement(merely promoted Rick Fox) and won 2 additional titles.

Ron Harper was a solid role player on the 2000 team for his defense, intelligence and knowledge of the triangle, but he was at the end of his career. Hardly the type of player you'd use to discredit Shaq's championship, especially since he wasn't an offensive threat anymore, and teams could pretty much dare him to shoot. Remember, the 2000 WCF when Mike Dunleavy had Pippen guard Harper for the sole purpose of being able to play off him and double Shaq on the catch?

And while Harper was indeed a solid contributor to the 2000 team, he was nowhere near irreplaceable as was proven the next 2 years when Harper pretty much couldn't play during the 2001 playoffs and retired altogether before 2002.

You're acting like those 2 players were still all-stars when they weren't close by 2000.



As far as Shaq shooting jumpers? Why on earth would there be any reason for him to shoot mid-range, much less outside shots? He had was unstoppable inside of 10 feet, and nobody could really push him farther out than that anyway.

As for being just a dunker? It's ridiculous to make this claim about prime Shaq. Yeah, he pretty much just dunked everything his first 2 years in the league(and was already pretty damn good doing it) but he continued to add to his game and rely less on dunks until peaking in 2000.

In 2001 for example, Shaq averaged 28.7 ppg. He had 219 dunks that season, or an average of 2.96 dunks per game, it doesn't take a math genius to figure out that's just under 6 ppg, 5.9 to be more precise. So where were the other 22.9 ppg coming from?

The fact is, Shaq didn't have the luxury of even dunking as much as he could have possibly once Phil took over. The reason for this is because Phil wanted him to adjust his game to work within the triangle, and he did. This involved going up with quicker shots, or passing out and they'd swing the ball or re-post if he didn't have the initial shot. This required him to go to more jump hooks and those short baseline fadeaways.[/QUOTE]

[B]Don

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Don

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]I don't want to get into a Shaq vs Barkley thing, I've always really liked both Shaq and Barkley too. My only issues were that I thought some of your comments were misleading, primarily listing Ron Harper as if he was anything more than a role player by 2000, and listing Glen Rice who was still a decent small forward, but a poor fit on the 2000 Lakers.

You're right about some things. Kobe was emerging around that time. He still had quite a bit of maturing to do as far as becoming physically stronger like he was later, improving his overall shooting(primarily range...his mid-range shot was already quite good in 2000, I remember commentators praising Kobe for this since the mid-range shot was already called a lost art) and decision making, primarily learning how to incorporate his already amazing individual ability into the team-concept.

But while his age(21) showed in some ways, he was already arguably the most capable perimeter scorer when allowed to be and among the absolute best perimeter guards as well as a remarkably poised and fearless player under pressure. I'd say at that point, while not an MVP-caliber player yet, he was about a top 10 player in the league, as opposed to a top 3 player as he was during 2001 and 2002.

You're also correct that he had some role players who were good defenders such as Harper, Horry and Shaw.

But the team did have quite a few glaring weaknesses. They didn't have much offensive talent outside of Shaq and Kobe and this was evident since they started 2 older players teams could play off of offensively(Harper and Green) as well as the fact they were one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league, had virtually no bench scoring, and they were very vulnerable at the PF position(which is a reason why both C-Webb and Sheed dominated them those playoffs)

So that's all I was saying, just not to get carried away. Shaq had a good team, but they weren't loaded from top to bottom or anything. Shaq had to have one of the all-time great seasons to win that year and it was especially difficult to overcome a more talented Blazer team that truly was stacked.

As Phil Jackson said [B]"We were far from the most talented team in the league"[/B] and [B]"We won 67 games on Shaq's back."[/B]

By the way, I agree with you about Phil Jackson as a coach. Shaq was very fortunate to play for Phil and I've always given Phil credit for taking Shaq to another level as a player, demanding more of him and helping him become a champion.[/QUOTE]

[B]Agree with what you said. Kobe emerged more in 2001 it was Shaq

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Agree with what you said. Kobe emerged more in 2001 it was Shaq

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]I agree on coaching. It's often overlooked, but extremely important. I agree that Barkley typically had pretty average coaches, not really great ones.

As far as his team, well, Barkley didn't have the talent to win a championship or seriously contend during his prime in Philly from about '88-'92. The Suns were very talented, but we only saw one year of prime Barkley there in '93 and then the injuries started to affect him in '94 to the point where he considered retiring already.

The Suns had a lot of offensive talent, but you're right, their interior defense was always weak. Hakeem and Otis Thorpe really took advantage of this in '94.[/QUOTE]

[B]Pleasure To Listen To People That Where Actually There To Watch Barkley in his Prime. Indeed Otis Thorpe Was a Nasty Defender and Rebounder. Lets not forget about the 3-Point Bombers and Perimeter Defenders Houston had in Smith, Maxwell and Horry.

It was sad to Watch Barkley play after 1993 but Even Sadder to Watch him Play After 1996. I Stopped Watching B-Ball For a While After that Cause I Knew Charles Would Never Get His Ring and Would Be Hated For It So.

Sucks That All Players Today Are Judged By Rings Instead of Their Level of Play.[/B]

29 more games added

Dec 4, 1987 - Sonics vs. Sixers [B]*2 FGA[/B]
Mar 23, 1988 - Bulls vs. Sixers
Nov 28, 1988 - Lakers vs. Sixers
1989 Playoffs Gm. 2 Sixers vs. Knicks
1989 Playoffs Gm. 3 Knicks vs. Sixers
Nov 17, 1989 - Spurs vs. Sixers [B]*2 FGA[/B]
Dec 7, 1990 - Nuggets vs. Sixers
Mar 17, 1991 - Sixers vs. Celtics
1994 Playoffs Warriors vs. Suns (Full Series) [B]*5 FGA[/B]
1994 Playoffs Suns vs. Rockets (Full Series) [B]* 6 FGA[/B]
Mar 13, 1994 - Suns vs. Magic
Jan 17, 1995 - Nuggets vs. Suns [B]*4 FGA[/B]
Jan 22, 1995 - Magic vs. Suns [B]*2 FGA[/B]
Feb 7, 1995 - Suns vs. Mavericks
Mar 16, 1995 - Suns vs. Hornets
Mar 21, 1995 - Suns vs. Magic [B]*1 FGA[/B]
1995 Playoffs Gm. 3 Suns vs. Blazers
Jan 28, 1996 - Suns vs. Bulls
Feb 6, 1996 - Bulls vs. Suns
1996 Playoffs Gm. 2 Suns vs. Spurs
Nov 2, 1996 - Rockets vs. Suns



[B]At Rim:[/B] 165/201 FG (82.1%)
[B]In Paint (Overall):[/B] 188/274 FG (68.6%)
[B]Mid-Range:[/B] 80/151 FG (53.0%)
[B]3 Point:[/B] 34/92 FG (37.0%)




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