How b*tchmade is he for joining the Heat because the Celtics couldn't beat them? If he had no rings it would've been understandable, but he had already won one with the Celtics in 2008.
"If you can't beat them, join them". :lol
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How b*tchmade is he for joining the Heat because the Celtics couldn't beat them? If he had no rings it would've been understandable, but he had already won one with the Celtics in 2008.
"If you can't beat them, join them". :lol
[QUOTE=shady6121]How b*tchmade is he for joining the Heat because the Celtics couldn't beat them? If he had no rings it would've been understandable, but he had already won one with the Celtics in 2008.
"If you can't beat them, join them". :lol[/QUOTE]
He had beef with rondo im sure he left for good reasons
He could never be a first or second option, too mentally weak.
If he wasn't playing an important role in their team you may have a point...but he is.
None?
Part of the reason he left was because his role on the celtics was becoming smaller and wasnt he the subject of multiple trade romurs? He's a human and did what was best for himself
[QUOTE=daj0264]He could never be a first or second option, too mentally weak.[/QUOTE]
Please. If Ray Allen was never traded by Minnesota he and Garnett would have won championships together.
ray allen is at the end of his career so its kind of okay. lebron on the other hand couldnt win anything as the first option so he had to join up with wade and bosh. how can you have respect for lebron after what he did to cleveland?
I'm sure there is more to it than the simpleton "he couldn't beat the Heat so he joined them".
[QUOTE=daj0264]He could never be a first or second option, too mentally weak.[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=All Net]If he wasn't playing an important role in their team you may have a point...but he is.[/QUOTE]
Not really, the Heat are stacked enough with three point shooters that not having Ray Allen would make almost no difference.
[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]Please. If Ray Allen was never traded by Minnesota he and Garnett would have won championships together.[/QUOTE]
Only if they got someone to be the 2nd option, when he did win he was 3rd option and now he is like 6th option.
[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]Please. If Ray Allen was never traded by Minnesota he and Garnett would have won championships together.[/QUOTE]
I don't see them beating Shaq's Lakers.
Can't hate on someone else's decision. It's their own choice. But if I was a player I wouldn't have joined the team that had knocked us out of the playoffs the last two years and that we have just played a tough 7 game series against but to each his own.
[QUOTE=selrahc]ray allen is at the end of his career so its kind of okay. lebron on the other hand couldnt win anything as the first option so he had to join up with wade and bosh. how can you have respect for lebron after what he did to cleveland?[/QUOTE]What if he stayed in Cleveland and Cleveland traded for Wade and Bosh? Would that be different?
Because LeBron wasn't happy with Cleveland not getting the team another really good player. So he sought out good players himself. Nothing wrong with that imo.
I lost a lot of respect for Ray.
[QUOTE=Jlamb47]He had beef with rondo im sure he left for good reasons[/QUOTE]
But he could of picked 28 other teams in the league to join than the Heat, who are the Celtics biggest rival right now.
[QUOTE=justin12140]Part of the reason he left was because his role on the celtics was becoming smaller and wasnt he the subject of multiple trade romurs? He's a human and did what was best for himself[/QUOTE]
He has the exact same role on the Heat as he did on the Celtics last year and would've had this year :biggums:
I lost practically every bit of fondness I've had for Ray.
- Bitched about coming off the bench last year, but had bone spurs in both ankles and Bradley was playing great.
- Says he won't come off the bench or be the 4th option.
- Goes to Miami to come off the bench, be at most the 4th option, for less money.
- Started sniping about Rondo once he left.
Not cool man. I don't care that he left, but the way he did it is just a bitch way to go.
[QUOTE=selrahc]ray allen is at the end of his career so its kind of okay. lebron on the other hand couldnt win anything as the first option so he had to join up with wade and bosh. how can you have respect for lebron after what he did to cleveland?[/QUOTE]
I lost a lot of respect for LeBron after the whole "Decision" fiasco and especially after playing the way he did in the 2011 Finals, but his performance in the 2012 playoffs was enough for me to respect him as a player again. I understand your point, but you can't really blame LeBron for joining the Heat, it was a once in a life time opportunity.
[QUOTE=HomieWeMajor]Can't hate on someone else's decision. It's their own choice. [B]But if I was a player I wouldn't have joined the team that had knocked us out of the playoffs the last two years and that we have just played a tough 7 game series against[/B] but to each his own.[/QUOTE]
This.
Didn't someone say that he had been wanting to join the Heat since last season? So during the 7 game series vs Miami he wanted to be with the Heat.
And to be honest he'd probably have a bigger role in Boston than he does right now in Miami. Yeah, he used to be one of my favorite players but I lost all respect for him.
Yes, why did Ray Allen at 37 switch to sunny Miami after living in cold cities for all these years? Why did he switch to a good team(notice how I said good team and not ring chase) instead of waiting to be traded to a irrelevant team? Why move to Florida when your family is there?
Only in basketball do players get shit for wanting to play in a good team. In any other sport, every player wants to be on a good team.
Ray took less money to play for a worse team. Pathetic.
Judas Shuttlesworth is a whiny b
[QUOTE=Nash]Yes, why did Ray Allen at 37 switch to sunny Miami after living in cold cities for all these years? Why did he switch to a good team(notice how I said good team and not ring chase) instead of waiting to be traded to a irrelevant team? Why move to Florida when your family is there?
Only in basketball do players get shit for wanting to play in a good team. In any other sport, every player wants to be on a good team.[/QUOTE]
If kim jong un was traded to the heat your would happily lick his balls wouldn't you?
I didn't lose any respect for him. The dude is at the tail end of his career, and playing in Miami with the likes of Wade and LeBron will extend his career, and make it easier for him to play. Ray wasn't chasing money, he was looking for the best place to play that would compliment him. Boston had tried to trade him that season, and he had some beef with Rondo, and Miami promised none of those problems, along with having an easier time with superstars drawing all the attention.
Why are we still talking about this? Get over it people! Why stay with a team that was trying to trade you? I would've left too. The choice is simple play for a good team or get traded to a trashy team. It's not like he pulled a Lebron hell
Im surprised by how indifferent I am. He was my all time fav player, started following celtics mostly because of him, and I was huge homer of his game in boston days, but now I just dont give a fvck about anything he does. I think I will rep him after he retires, and I will say to my grandkids how great he was, but now hes nothing to me.
[quote=daj0264]If kim jong un was traded to the heat your would happily lick his balls wouldn't you?[/quote]
he def would
I was hoping he'd stay a Celtic but I understand why he left. Miami gave him a great pitch and he was sold. Certainly don't have less respect for him...even though his reasoning for leaving was pretty dishonest. I wish he would have just said that he wasn't happy and didn't like Rondo all that much.
Besides, his first title AND setting the all-time three point streak? Both on OUR floor.
All of it. I don't like KG and Pierce but I understand them and I would probably act the same way towards Ray Allen.
He left them and joined their biggest and most hated opponent. F*ck that bitch.
[QUOTE=selrahc]ray allen is at the end of his career so its kind of okay. lebron on the other hand couldnt win anything as the first option so he had to join up with wade and bosh. how can you have respect for lebron after what he did to cleveland?[/QUOTE]
The thread title is about Ray Allen. Not everything has to come back to your dislike of Lebron James. Besides that, did you lose any respect for your idol at all after some questionable decisions? Blowing up things with shaq, rape allegations, being trounced early in the playoffs a couple years? You probably didn't lose any respect at all did you. Cause you don't judge things with any level of objectivity. And even if you did lose respect, did you not gain it back when he once again won two more titles with the arrival of Gasol? Cause winning cures everything. period. Lebron, had a banner year last year, and won just about every basketball accolade possible. Time to give the guy just a sliver of respect, if even grudgingly. Still hate him if you want.
[QUOTE=Nash]Yes, why did Ray Allen at 37 switch to sunny Miami after living in cold cities for all these years? Why did he switch to a good team(notice how I said good team and not ring chase) instead of waiting to be traded to a irrelevant team? Why move to Florida when your family is there?
Only in basketball do players get shit for wanting to play in a good team. In any other sport, every player wants to be on a good team.[/QUOTE]
STFU you scum of the earth bandwagoning loser. Not everyone wants to live in miami.
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A little for leaving his legacy with the Celtics behind him, but I don't exactly blame him for his actions. He was often underutilized through Doc's system well into his start of his Boston tenure. He joined his rival, that's the bad part, but at least he didn't join the Lakers.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]I lost practically every bit of fondness I've had for Ray.
- Bitched about coming off the bench last year, but had bone spurs in both ankles and Bradley was playing great.
[B]- Says he won't come off the bench or be the 4th option.[/B]
- Goes to Miami to come off the bench, be at most the 4th option, for less money.
- Started sniping about Rondo once he left.
Not cool man. I don't care that he left, but the way he did it is just a bitch way to go.[/QUOTE]
Never heard him say that. He didn't like the role or how things were run in Boston, so he left. I've never hear him ever use the term option when referring to scoring and if he wouldn't want to come off the bench, then he wouldn't have joined the Heat.
Had the Celtics not actively shopped Shuttlesworth for 3-4 consecutive years, then I would have a beef with him bouncing. But simply put, the Celts tried to trade him at the deadline more than a couple times. He went to Miami, Riley told him he wouldn't do that, and boom, deal done.
In all reality, when you are in a sit-down with the Godfather, you do as he asks. He never demands, he just asks you and you must do it. It's part of the rules. And Riley said sign on the dotten line, what was Jesus to do?
Got 2 questions for anybody who "lost respect" for Allen.
1) You don't understand the concept of "free agency" do you?
2) If you were offered a position that you were convinced would put you in a better situation (whether purely financial or otherwise) would you give any thought to the impact that would be felt by your co-workers?
Let's be real Ray Allen was a model citizen for the Celtics and fulfilled all the obligations expected of him, even though his employer tried to ship him out at least twice.
Miami was the only team he shouldn't have signed with, and the bitch goes out and signs with them. Joining LAC or SAS would have made sense, and it wouldn't have been a total betrayal.
I lost no respect. It was motivated by revenge and I understand his anger at certain things (like always being trade bait). It was very disappointing though. I expect him to be somewhat forgiven eventually, he should be there whenever the team decides to honor the 2008 squad. But they shouldn't retire his jersey.
the dude is just a spot up shooter. He's too mentally weak to take charge. He's a follower, not a leader.
I still have respect for him even if he didn't join my home team... I don't understand why playerS are suppose to be so loyal to a franchise that isn't loyal to anyone as soon as you begin underperforming they will do what's best for the team, but its a problem when a player does what's best for them... My city is the s[B]hi[/B]t nice beaches, great weather, nice areas to live and he gets to compete at the highest level can't beat it
[QUOTE=Killbot]Never heard him say that. He didn't like the role or how things were run in Boston, so he left. I've never hear him ever use the term option when referring to scoring and if he wouldn't want to come off the bench, then he wouldn't have joined the Heat.[/QUOTE]
He 100% said he wouldn't come off the bench. Maybe not the 4th option part, but he was super pissed about coming off the bench.
[QUOTE=dh144498]the dude is just a spot up shooter. He's too mentally weak to take charge. He's a follower, not a leader.[/QUOTE]
You clearly know nothing about Allen's career.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]He 100% said he wouldn't come off the bench. Maybe not the 4th option part, but he was super pissed about coming off the bench.[/QUOTE]
I never heard him say he wouldn't come off the bench and last season he did in fact come off the bench. He probably didn't like it but he remained professional.