Joakim Noah tells Derrick Rose critics to "shut up!"

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MIAMI -- Chicago Bulls center Joakim Noah had an impassioned message for critics of teammate Derrick Rose after the Bulls' impressive 93-86 win over the Miami Heat on Monday night.

Noah took a question regarding how much pride he and his team feel being able to win without Rose while so many pundits count them out, and he went off on an emotional defense of his close friend.


"Derrick's a brother," Noah said. "And to see him go through this is tough, but at the end of the day it's really funny how quick people are to judge. But people don't know what it's like to lead a team, especially after you tore your ACL.


"If you tore your ACL and you have to be the starting point guard and have the expectations that Derrick has, then maybe you can judge, but everybody who hasn't been in that situation before should really shut up because I feel like it's just so unfair to him and to this team. We're fighting, and everybody's going to just s--- on somebody who's been giving so much to this organization. It's crazy to me."


Rose has been at the forefront of much criticism, especially on Twitter, as the Bulls have continued an impressive run through the postseason. A growing number of fans believe that Rose should be back on the floor as he continues his rehab from ACL surgery.


Rose admitted on Monday that his status for this series was "still up in the air. I might have a chance," despite the fact that he has yet to play this season.


Noah did not acknowledge whether he has spoken to Rose about the criticism, but it was clear he didn't like what he has been hearing. Rose said on Saturday that he hasn't paid much attention to the criticism, but Noah and the rest of his teammates have made it a point to stand up for Rose's decision not to play.


"He can say that he doesn't (listen to it)," Noah said. "I think he's dealing with it unbelievable. He's tough as nails, man. He's not budging. He doesn't let none of that affect him; whether it's praise or people judging him about his decision, he's the same. He's the same, and I really respect that because I don't think a lot of people could deal with the things that he deals with on a daily basis."


Mike Wilbon:
"Tell me again how it worked out for RG3 during the playoffs when he wasn't honest with himself or his coach about whether he should keep going. Magic Johnson tells the story about allowing himself to be pressured into playing following a knee injury in the early 1980s only to come back before he was psychologically ready to play. Rose, Magic believes, can only be helped by a summer of playing full-tilt, followed by a training camp.

The miraculously recovered Adrian Peterson was the first person I heard point out that he, after shredding his knee, had the benefit of a full training camp before going back on the field.

We're talking about a 10-year decision Rose is making, which ought to suggest to the know-it-alls it's infinitely wiser to err on the side of caution, whether that means returning for the final three weeks of this season or not until training camp. The know-it-alls obviously have forgotten about Gilbert Arenas, who before his gun issues was one of the 10 best players in the game from 2004 to 2006. He thought he was appeasing a whole lot of people when he tried to sprint back from major knee surgery in 2007. All his expedited return got him was one physical setback after another and at 30 years old Arenas was playing in China, a shell of his old self.

The reward for Rose returning, say, this week is minimal. To what end? Would his return enable the Bulls to beat Miami in the second round? Third round? No, neither. But the risk is incalculable. This isn't the return of Ricky Rubio. The Timberwolves point guard doesn't explode, doesn't play above the rim, isn't reliant on his legs. Rose does and is. If he's reticent to try and go up off his left leg to finish around the rim, he shouldn't be in the game yet. I find it difficult to believe that people, especially my friends in the Chicago media, are so desperate to see Rose back on the court they fail to acknowledge that nothing about returning from such a knee injury is to be presumed".

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I love how his team mates and the front office support him no matter how long he decides to take, it's only the people online who have nothing better to do with their day then talk s*** about it

Most delusional MVP ever. High expectations? Are you kidding me? What do you expect from a player who just tore his ACL?
He should be back as a morale booster not as a ****ing superstar. Some minutes off the bench would could make a huge impact on his teammates.

[quote=KembaWalker]I love how his team mates and the front office support him no matter how long he decides to take, it's only the people online who have nothing better to do with their day then talk s*** about it[/quote]

Ah so the people with a horse in the race do their best to preserve team chemistry while impartial people speak their honest opinion?

Captain Obvious to the rescue here!

Great job Jo!!

I have actually changed my stance on Rose deciding not to play. I think it's very selfless of him to sit out. If you think about it, he has the chance to play and help his team but he would rather sit out and let his teammates play because they deserved it.

By Rose coming back, he would ruin the chemistry of the team. He would also take minutes away from Nate and Marco. I know he acted like a little girl by not playing but it's too late now.

It would only hurt the team if he came back and I don't think he's that stupid to comeback and ruin the team's chemistry. They are a good team and seem very close. I don't think Rose is selfish enough to comeback when his team is playing so well.

You can make an argument on how much of a b1tch, he was being 3 months ago but fast forward today, he's very smart to just let his teammates play. They earned their spot.

Sorry Noah, I can't hear you over your face.

[QUOTE=LJJ]Ah so the people with a horse in the race do their best to preserve team chemistry while impartial people speak their honest opinion?

Captain Obvious to the rescue here![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=KembaWalker]I love how his team mates and the front office support him no matter how long he decides to take, it's only the people online who have nothing better to do with their day then talk s*** about it[/QUOTE]

Sam Smith made some great points on this yesterday. He said that he has never heard a Doctor come out and say that Derrick Rose has been cleared to play. He said that this story got out there from a front office guy who reported it to ESPN and even then it was said that he was, "cleared to return to practice," [U]not[/U] to game action.

He also said that Derrick Rose has not been scrimmaging with his teammates because that is not the way that Thibs coaches his team -- meaning they rarely have scrimmages. So, according to Sam Smith, that report is false.

Smith then said that Larry Bird missed an entire season and nobody said anything. Blake Griffin missed an entire season and nobody said anything. He said this is a guy (Rose) who has shown himself to be the ultimate competitor, taking hit after hit while driving fearlessly to the hole over and over again. This is a guy known to be a gym rat. If he is telling you something is not right then you should believe him.

Sam Smith called the whole thing a "witch hunt". He called the whole thing shocking, shocking how people want to pile on a guy who is coming off of major knee surgery. A guy who is model citizen who has always worked his butt off for the Bulls.
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He's absolutely right.

I think the biggest problem people have with Rose is his vagueness about the whole thing. If he came out and said "I will be back for 2013-2014 season", people would be fine with that. Because he is leaving the door open for a return this season, people are questioning him. People like firm answers. They don't like wishy-washy. Same reason Dwight got so much flack last year. It's the whole "will he or won't he" thing all over again.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]I think the biggest problem people have with Rose is his vagueness about the whole thing. If he came out and said "I will be back for 2013-2014 season", people would be fine with that. Because he is leaving the door open for a return this season, people are questioning him. People like firm answers. They don't like wishy-washy. Same reason Dwight got so much flack last year. It's the whole "will he or won't he" thing all over again.[/QUOTE]

There may be some truth to that. But with injuries who can predict? Moreover, whatever he is doing is the right thing for his teammates and the Bulls. The possibility of his returning may be one of the things in the back of his teammate's minds that have them playing so well.

Shut up Noah, nobody gives a sh*t about your stupid opinion. Seriously, we can't criticize him because "We have never walked in his shoes?" That is the dumbest sh*t I have ever heard; literally, that means you can't criticize anyone for anything since you haven't walked in their shoes. Nice way of putting your foot in your mouth: why are you criticizing the fans when you haven't walked in their shoes? So shut up dumbsh*t. Rose is a panzy and so are you for supporting his weak a*s.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Shut up Noah, nobody gives a sh*t about your stupid opinion. [/QUOTE]
A lot more people care what he thinks than care what you think.

So much for people saying they can't see how Rose teammates respect him. Like Noah said SHUT UP!

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]I think the biggest problem people have with Rose is his vagueness about the whole thing. If he came out and said "I will be back for 2013-2014 season", people would be fine with that. Because he is leaving the door open for a return this season, people are questioning him. People like firm answers. They don't like wishy-washy. Same reason Dwight got so much flack last year. It's the whole "will he or won't he" thing all over again.[/QUOTE]

No.

Doctors cleared him. It is not a physical issue, it is a mental issue, therefore, he is psychologically weak, which is frowned upon in the world of sports.

Boxers, football players, MMA, etc. all risk a concussion when they go out and fight their battles, so why is Rose all of a sudden so special when his weak a*s is too scared of a little contact around the rim? No excuses. If you can play, you play. [B]This is a man's sport.[/B] This aint Divine Secrets of the Ya Ya sisterhood.

Some of these posters are just retarded. One day, you kids might grow up.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]A lot more people care what he thinks than care what you think.[/QUOTE]

They're best friends, of course he is going to stand up for his "brother." His opinion is moot. I'm sure Rose cares about what his fans think about him; without their support, he is nothing.

bet half the clowns in this thread even play ball. Just key board warriors, trying to act tough and like their opinions matters. Rose will come back when ready, now especially is the wrong time because hes obv not been playing with the team and can have some rust in a playoff atmosphere where its all on the line. The teams playing fine, let them ride it out. THis was their season, next hell be a part of it.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]They're best friends, of course he is going to stand up for his "brother." His opinion is moot. I'm sure Rose cares about what his fans think about him; without their support, he is nothing.[/QUOTE]
His opinion is being discussed and praised by people that don't even share it on ESPN. Yours is getting half-read on a topic with a few hundred views. Keep it in perspective.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]They're best friends, of course he is going to stand up for his "brother." His opinion is moot. I'm sure Rose cares about what his fans think about him; without their support, he is nothing.[/QUOTE]




LMAO yes I'm sure Rose cares more about what fans think then his teammates.



He is dying to hear your opinion and analysis on why he should come back.

Everyone should shut up.

When he returns and starts owning the league again everyone will be all over him even though they did nothing but ride him while he recovered his knee.

D rose loves the game, he ain't tryna coast, he tryna do his thing, the right way.

Everyone hating on him in Chicago should gtfo, just terrible people. If you hate on him and don't live here, your opinion means nothing. Rose plays for Chicago, not you flaming fakkits.

[QUOTE=(e)]Some of these posters are just retarded. One day, you kids might grow up.[/QUOTE]


See what I mean? A Rose supporter is dancing around a confrontation by not directly addressing the person he is insulting.

Rose's weak mentality is already spreading like a virus. Seriously guys, this sport aint for you if you're afraid of a little contact. You should go play ping pong, at least the only thing flying at your face is a ball, which I'm pretty sure you're used to it during sex.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]See what I mean? A Rose supporter is dancing around a confrontation by not directly addressing the person he is insulting.

Rose's weak mentality is already spreading like a virus. Seriously guys, this sport aint for you if you're afraid of a little contact. You should go play ping pong, at least the only thing flying at your face is a ball, which I'm pretty sure you're used to it during sex.[/QUOTE]



Way to be picky with who you quote. Only to fit your agenda.



And you wanna say a Rose supporter avoids confrontation when you do it yourself.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]See what I mean? A Rose supporter is dancing around a confrontation by not directly addressing the person he is insulting.[/quote]
You're not a real person to most of us. Just a hater in the dark thinking you are rambo. More cartoonish than anything else.
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Shut up Noah, nobody gives a sh*t about your stupid opinion. [/QUOTE]

So tell us who you heard from on the team or in the organization that you base your ill-informed decisions on. Can you name anyone? You are basically on the outside taking opinions from others on message boards. That's why its hard to say you are a real person. You follow the thoughts of others to the point that we can't see your originality or beyond your simple hater functions.
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Doctors cleared him. It is not a physical issue, it is a mental issue, therefore, he is psychologically weak, which is frowned upon in the world of sports.[/quote]
Only a doctor can say its not a physical issue. Where is that doctor? There are three doctors paid by the organization that pays Rose 120 million yet not one of them or the organization speaks out against Rose. About 75 people are tight in their unanimous response and they don't have to be. But there are plenty of sheep on the outside that think their opinions is what is important.

Big Rose fan, but Rose has hurt himself.


Don't tell me you're all the way healthy, but just not mentally ready to play or your muscle memory won't allow you to play like you were...so you don't want to play.

This is about his "expectations" he wants to look like MVP Rose. I would have all the respect in the world for him, if he played 20 minutes as a jumpshooter of the bench or something. Joakim is being a good friend, and I'd say the same things if I were on the team, but if I'm on a team that's good enough to win a title and I'm the best player and healthy enough to play.....YOU PLAY. You never know when you'll get this opportunity again. His reasoning for not playing just doesn't really fly to me in this situation.

I mean you have the opportunity to walk off the street and play the Heat....any player in the world and any former player would kill for the chance to be out there, and this guy only has to say "I'm Ready" and he has the chance.

If he has something else going on...fine. But if you are just giving yourself extra time....I don't get it. This story would not be a big deal if he'd have just said a long time ago that he's out for the year, people would've forgotten about him really until he was ready. If he still says it, it would help him.

Mentally not ready? WTF is that?

[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]Big Rose fan, but Rose has hurt himself.


Don't tell me you're all the way healthy, but just not mentally ready to play or your muscle memory won't allow you to play like you were...so you don't want to play.

This is about his "expectations" he wants to look like MVP Rose. I would have all the respect in the world for him, if he played 20 minutes as a jumpshooter of the bench or something. Joakim is being a good friend, and I'd say the same things if I were on the team, but if I'm on a team that's good enough to win a title and I'm the best player and healthy enough to play.....YOU PLAY. You never know when you'll get this opportunity again. His reasoning for not playing just doesn't really fly to me in this situation.

I mean you have the opportunity to walk off the street and play the Heat....any player in the world and any former player would kill for the chance to be out there, and this guy only has to say "I'm Ready" and he has the chance.

If he has something else going on...fine. But if you are just giving yourself extra time....I don't get it. This story would not be a big deal if he'd have just said a long time ago that he's out for the year, people would've forgotten about him really until he was ready. If he still says it, it would help him.

Mentally not ready? WTF is that?[/QUOTE]

Rose a jump shooting specialist? :roll: Like Noah said

[SIZE="5"][B]SHUT UP![/B][/SIZE]

dude brought it on himself with a year long marketing campaign in which he and adidas profited IMO...

People were rightly expecting to see him on the floor anytime between the all-star break and now.

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[QUOTE=GOBB]Rose a jump shooting specialist? :roll: Like Noah said

[SIZE="5"][B]SHUT UP![/B][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

He's not playing, what else does he have to do? He supposedly has developed a great jumper.


But regardless of that, if hes' practicing and is the best player on the floor, he should be playing. Shooting or defending or whatever.

[QUOTE=SCdac]dude brought it on himself with a year long marketing campaign in which he and adidas profited IMO...

People were rightly expecting to see him on the floor anytime between the all-star break and now.

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I forgot about those commercials. Not exactly a mystery as to why they are no longer running...

[QUOTE=SCdac]dude brought it on himself with a year long marketing campaign in which he and adidas profited IMO...

People were rightly expecting to see him on the floor anytime between the all-star break and now.

[img]http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles9/1888023/projects/6099421/054d29deac78817ce599376310bdb705.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

The ad didn't give a date. And he really believed he was on schedule and worked very hard to get back. Sometimes things happen.

thats prolly how they won game 1, noah got fed up.

[QUOTE=SCdac]dude brought it on himself with a year long marketing campaign in which he and adidas profited IMO...

People were rightly expecting to see him on the floor anytime between the all-star break and now.

[img]http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles9/1888023/projects/6099421/054d29deac78817ce599376310bdb705.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

How much did they profit? Are those new sneakers he is running in? I dont keep up with the latest bball sneakers.

When he got injured, most people were saying that he should just miss the whole season. Now everyone is crying that he didn't play... I don't get it.


I can't wait until he comes back next season so everyone will shut up about this.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]The ad didn't give a date. And he really believed he was on schedule and worked very hard to get back. Sometimes things happen.[/QUOTE]

I'm not insinuating rushing him back or anything, reality is reality, but I do think the public was genuinely mislead through out the season.

The frustration did not come out of nowhere. Maybe it's not fair to Rose, but it's understandable IMO.

For instance, when Blake Griffin missed his entire rookie season. It was established and understood, whereas Rose and his camp lead people on to an extent.

[QUOTE=GOBB]How much did they profit? Are those new sneakers he is running in? I dont keep up with the latest bball sneakers.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it was all marketing for his new adidas shoe... I don't know the exact dollar amount... But I saw boat loads of commercials and online ads especially in the first half of the season... He was also drafted in every single fantasy team I was a part of or witnessed (ie. there was an expectation of #the return)

I think people would mind a lot less if his team mates weren't playing their hearts out and scrapping for everything every minute on the floor. Noah is bossing on a plantar fasciitis and husting for every rebound, lose ball; Nate is getting beat up every time he's on the floor and he's still raining down clutch shots; Butler is playing 48 mins every game guarding the opposing best player and still putting up some offensive production. etc etc. It's tough to stomach that when you see that your franchise player was physically cleared months ago and is waiting for his muscle memory to bump up from 90% to 100%.

I'm not going to lie: yes, I have lost respect for him in this whole ordeal. But it is his body and he ultimately knows best. I am not willing to lose a part of our best player on a long term basis because of this playoffs, which we don't really have a shot at winning in all honesty. I still believe that Rose is 100% committed to the game and the Bulls... but, yeah, if that was Westbrook, he would have been back months ago, no doubt about that.

[QUOTE=SCdac]Yes, it was all marketing for his new adidas shoe... I don't know the exact dollar amount... But I saw boat loads of commercials and online ads especially in the first half of the season... He was also drafted in every single fantasy team I was a part of or witnessed (ie. there was an expectation of #the return)[/QUOTE]

Ahhhhhhh gotcha, I didnt know about that honestly.

[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]Big Rose fan, but Rose has hurt himself.


Don't tell me you're all the way healthy, but just not mentally ready to play or your muscle memory won't allow you to play like you were...so you don't want to play.

This is about his "expectations" he wants to look like MVP Rose. I would have all the respect in the world for him, if he played 20 minutes as a jumpshooter of the bench or something. Joakim is being a good friend, and I'd say the same things if I were on the team, but if I'm on a team that's good enough to win a title and I'm the best player and healthy enough to play.....YOU PLAY. You never know when you'll get this opportunity again. His reasoning for not playing just doesn't really fly to me in this situation.

I mean you have the opportunity to walk off the street and play the Heat....any player in the world and any former player would kill for the chance to be out there, and this guy only has to say "I'm Ready" and he has the chance.

If he has something else going on...fine. But if you are just giving yourself extra time....I don't get it. This story would not be a big deal if he'd have just said a long time ago that he's out for the year, people would've forgotten about him really until he was ready. If he still says it, it would help him.

Mentally not ready? WTF is that?[/QUOTE]


How do you know that he is "physically" ready to play? Has a Doctor come out and said that? This is what was said:

Sam Smith (who has covered the Bulls for years) said that he has never heard a Doctor come out and say that Derrick Rose has been cleared to play. He said that this story got out there from a front office guy who reported it to ESPN and even then it was said that he was, "cleared to return to practice," not cleared to return to game action.

He also said that Derrick Rose has not been scrimmaging with his teammates because that is not the way that Thibs coaches his team -- meaning they rarely have scrimmages. So, according to Sam Smith, that report is false. The guy has been practicing, shooting around but not scrimmaging on a regular basis -- hardly ready to be tossed into game action.

Everyone wants to point to Adrian Peterson. But like Adrian Peterson himself points out, he even had the benefit of training camp before returning to game action for the Vikings.

Joakim Noah tell Derrick Rose critics "shut up, we don't want him taking Nate's spot!"