ISH Posters and their fixation with a referee conspiracy

Honestly all these fools who constantly moan and bitch about referees and David Stern fixing games are ****ing fools. Do you know how hard it is to referee a game at full speed without the ability to use replays except for the last 2 minutes? All of you ****er's who sit on your couch and think that because you can make perfect calls through the use of replays and conversely think that the ref's are purposely making those calls wrong to benefit one team or the other but in reality their just making mistakes? Of course they make the wrong calls, sometimes those wrong calls will benefit one team more than the other. Im sure some games (a drastic minority) in history have been fixed, but to think that every game is predetermined is just ridiculous , your such children GTFOH STFU. :facepalm

Yeah but they are missing OBVIOUS calls. You think that 24 second mess this series was a tough call to make? No. They are paid over 100k a year. The fans should keep complaining.

The whining from Heat fans after game 4, followed by the encore performance by people whining about the refs after game 5

Miami Heat. BULLY.

[QUOTE=Purch]The whining from Heat fans after game 4, followed by the encore performance by people whining about the refs after game 5[/QUOTE]

The irony is that even though Heat fans were pissed about that game and were annoying, people started to make troll threads to troll those Heat fans, and it just made them more annoying than the Heat fans who were whining in the first place. It made this place a clusterfvck of annoying trolls after game 4.

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There's no consistency. People in general are more willing to overlook bad calls if they benefit the team they like (or when they go against a team they don't like). Then they try to point out the hypocrisy on one side without noticing their own hypocrisy.

Personally the complaining about refs is freaking annoying, no matter who does it.

its sad to me, that there are fans out there who cant just enjoy the game, instead deciding to complain during literally every gaem thread about officiating.

they are missing out

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This is really ironic when I looked at your avi.

[QUOTE=LongLiveTheKing]This is really ironic when I looked at your avi.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

[QUOTE=LongLiveTheKing]This is really ironic when I looked at your avi.[/QUOTE]
Thats CP3 on the new logo. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

The refereeing has been garbage for the past couple years and it's getting worse. Fans are going to complain, it's only natural. I think everyone just wants consistency.

[QUOTE=Kews1]Honestly all these fools who constantly moan and bitch about referees and David Stern fixing games are ****ing fools. Do you know how hard it is to referee a game at full speed without the ability to use replays except for the last 2 minutes? All of you ****er's who sit on your couch and think that because you can make perfect calls through the use of replays and conversely think that the ref's are purposely making those calls wrong to benefit one team or the other but in reality their just making mistakes? Of course they make the wrong calls, sometimes those wrong calls will benefit one team more than the other. Im sure some games (a drastic minority) in history have been fixed, but to think that every game is predetermined is just ridiculous , your such children GTFOH STFU. :facepalm[/QUOTE]


Most of these guys are a bunch of F@gs. Maybe they need to apply as an NBA Referee.

This is actually a good series way better than that boring Western Conference Finals.

I just want the refs to be consistent. I don't have a horse in this race but the refs have been ruining the game of bball for me.

[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall][B]I just want the refs to be consistent[/B]. I don't have a horse in this race but the refs have been ruining the game of bball for me.[/QUOTE]
No you don't. You want them to be decidedly against Miami.

[QUOTE=LongLiveTheKing]This is really ironic when I looked at your avi.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Kews1]Honestly all these fools who constantly moan and bitch about referees and David Stern fixing games are ****ing fools. Do you know how hard it is to referee a game at full speed without the ability to use replays except for the last 2 minutes? All of you ****er's who sit on your couch and think that because you can make perfect calls through the use of replays and conversely think that the ref's are purposely making those calls wrong to benefit one team or the other but in reality their just making mistakes? Of course they make the wrong calls, sometimes those wrong calls will benefit one team more than the other. Im sure some games (a drastic minority) in history have been fixed, but to think that every game is predetermined is just ridiculous , your such children GTFOH STFU. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Has the game dramatically change from 5 years ago? I ask because the quality of officiating has gotten worse and worse each year. I realize stern needs to progressively fix games over a course of time to make it less obvious, but watch the calls in this game to ECF games of the last 4 years and the shitty calls this year are >>>>> than subsequent years.

Good try, but your post couldn't be further from the truth.

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ROFL

No one thinks its fixed.. just dumbass refs being dumbasses.

Honestly, they have been god awful.. on both sides. The past two games they have crushed momentum for both teams numerous times.. theyre literally retarded.

And Bird man allowed to DECK Hansborough, and then get in his face like hes about to start a fight when kid did nothing wrong lol.. HE was the one that got decked and that somehow pissed Birdman off. Like.. WTF?

And then the one ref was holding birdman back and tweety was trying to fight through the ref to get at hansborough who was chilling not going at him.

If theres no game 6 suspension there Im gonna lose my shit.

Miami is like 15-3 or something ridiculous with Dan Crawford as ref

from 2012

Heat in Playoffs Since 2004

Dan Crawford games All Others
Heat W-L [B]13-3 (.813) 48-40 (.545)[/B]
vs. Spread 11-4-1 (.719) 41-44-3 (.483)
PPG diff +6.4 +1.6
Foul diff PG -0.3 -0.9
FTA diff PG +1.9 +2.7

Does Tim "Vegas" Donaghy ring a bell ?

The NBA has been fixed and tainted since the Jordan era?

The first 4 games mean jackshit in the scheme of things, whether one team was getting favourable calls or the other. If you saw bad ones in pacers favour, dont you think that acts as a pretty good smokescreen for whats about to happen after game 4?

Some people need to think outside the square a bit, the NBA has never been the same since it became big business.

2002 was proven to be rigged, similar situation actually. Miami has the star power and ratings, much like those laker teams. Pacers were like the kings in that they had a fanbase, but nowhere near what Lakers had.

Game 5 was always gonna be miami's. pacers had double the foul count to Miami for most of the game. On top of that, Dan Crawford who has one of the league's worst records in favour of the Heat team was reffing this pivotal game, coincidence? I think not.

Look, its unfortunate that people are very sceptical of conspiracies and dismiss anything like one. But I have clearly stated why i believe it to be the case(with evidence) and of course I will get flamed for being a hater or whatever else.

I love basketball, but this f*ggot flopping league catering big business superstars has taken away alot of the things I used to love about watching the NBA.

[QUOTE=poido123]The NBA has been fixed and tainted since the Jordan era?

The first 4 games mean jackshit in the scheme of things, whether one team was getting favourable calls or the other. If you saw bad ones in pacers favour, dont you think that acts as a pretty good smokescreen for whats about to happen after game 4?

Some people need to think outside the square a bit, the NBA has never been the same since it became big business.

2002 was proven to be rigged, similar situation actually. Miami has the star power and ratings, much like those laker teams. Pacers were like the kings in that they had a fanbase, but nowhere near what Lakers had.

Game 5 was always gonna be miami's. pacers had double the foul count to Miami for most of the game. On top of that, Dan Crawford who has one of the league's worst records in favour of the Heat team was reffing this pivotal game, coincidence? I think not.

Look, its unfortunate that people are very sceptical of conspiracies and dismiss anything like one. But I have clearly stated why i believe it to be the case(with evidence) and of course I will get flamed for being a hater or whatever else.

I love basketball, but this f*ggot flopping league catering big business superstars has taken away alot of the things I used to love about watching the NBA.[/QUOTE]

Dont worry, I'm sure some Stan will be along soon enough to contradict your claim with hearsay rather than solid evidence and proof.

It isn't just ISH though. You're starting to hear the comments from analysts as well.

There was a very good thread a few weeks ago on how refs influence games. They can't "rig" them, but on certain occasions a specific team is given every single advantage the officials can provide, in a systematic and deliberate manner.

People who go on rants about how 'conspiracy theorists' are fools are ironically fools themselves. The evidence has been piling up for decades that something is very corrupt with NBA officials.

Its not only in Basketball, it happens in all sports where there are human referees that can (consciously or not) put their "stamp" in the game.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]There was a very good thread a few weeks ago on how refs influence games. They can't "rig" them, but on certain occasions a specific team is given every single advantage the officials can provide, in a systematic and deliberate manner.

People who go on rants about how 'conspiracy theorists' are fools are ironically fools themselves. The evidence has been piling up for decades that something is very corrupt with NBA officials.[/QUOTE]

It's hard to get mostly young teenagers and early 20 guys on ISH to understand this concept. Many of whom only started watching basketball in the last 10 years. So their experience of the NBA, is the one that is catered to stars and soft officiating.

If they had of grown up watching the 80's 90's basketball, they might have had quite a different view on how the game has changed so much, particularly during the end and after Jordan's reign. It's hilarious that these guys dismiss any notion of a conspiracy or rigged games/series, when they have known nothing different to the type of basketball that is played today.

[QUOTE=WWRWestbrookDo?]Miami is like 15-3 or something ridiculous with Dan Crawford as ref[/QUOTE]

So pretty much on point with their normal winning percentage? :roll:

[QUOTE=poido123]The NBA has been fixed and tainted since the Jordan era?

The first 4 games mean jackshit in the scheme of things, whether one team was getting favourable calls or the other. If you saw bad ones in pacers favour, dont you think that acts as a pretty good smokescreen for whats about to happen after game 4?

Some people need to think outside the square a bit, the NBA has never been the same since it became big business.

2002 was proven to be rigged, similar situation actually. Miami has the star power and ratings, much like those laker teams. Pacers were like the kings in that they had a fanbase, but nowhere near what Lakers had.

Game 5 was always gonna be miami's. pacers had double the foul count to Miami for most of the game. On top of that, Dan Crawford who has one of the league's worst records in favour of the Heat team was reffing this pivotal game, coincidence? I think not.

Look, its unfortunate that people are very sceptical of conspiracies and dismiss anything like one. But I have clearly stated why i believe it to be the case(with evidence) and of course I will get flamed for being a hater or whatever else.

I love basketball, but this f*ggot flopping league catering big business superstars has taken away alot of the things I used to love about watching the NBA.[/QUOTE]


All of Jordan's rings were fake and helped by the referees. What now?

True story OP. Does anybody on this forum play streetball? And voluntarily tried to officiate a heated game before because a couple ******* kept stopping the game and calling ticky tacky fouls? that ish is hard af.I was telling my brother while we were watching the game imagine how hard it is to make some of these calls REAL TIME. FULL SPEED. NBA PLAYOFF LEVEL TEMPO. NO REPLAY. 50/50. ARENA FULL OF PEOPLE GOING APE SHIT ON YOU. THE PRESSURE. THE FANS. THE COACHES. THE PLAYERS. THE MEDIA. Its a tough job man alot of the times at the Park I cant even make the basic calls like a borderline out of bounds, who touched it last, etc.

[QUOTE=plowking]All of Jordan's rings were fake and helped by the referees. What now?[/QUOTE]

...nice troll.

[QUOTE=plowking]So pretty much on point with their normal winning percentage? :roll:[/QUOTE]

Deny, deny, deny. You're like a politician.

Nobody denies that games have probably been fixed in the past. But an overwhelming majority of the time its just the refs making a bad call. Complain about the call itself all you want. But most of the time thats where it ends, most of the time the refs are not fixing there calls in favor of one team or another their just making the call the believe to be correct. When people consistently claim that teams are being screwed by refs because they think they have proof based on the past, or because there is a large free-throw difference or any other reason, it just diminishes what the teams are doing. More often then not the best team wins, the reason the best team wins is not because the refs tilt the game in their favor but because they are simply better. :rant

Sometimes there are calls that is just bizarre. A referee 5 foot away didn't call any foul but a referee 60 feet away calls it even though the players back are turned and he can't possibly see the action as clear as the nearer ref.

[QUOTE=Straight_Ballin]Has the game dramatically change from 5 years ago? I ask because the quality of officiating has gotten worse and worse each year. I realize stern needs to progressively fix games over a course of time to make it less obvious, but watch the calls in this game to ECF games of the last 4 years and the shitty calls this year are >>>>> than subsequent years.

Good try, but your post couldn't be further from the truth.[/QUOTE]

Your an idiot, how would Stern fixing more games but it less obvious isnt that itself self-contradictory. Your just writing anything, where is your proof that the officiating is getting worse, do you really have anything to back up what your saying as factual, or do you just like to believe that in your own world you can see something that everybody else cant.

[QUOTE=poido123]...nice troll.[/QUOTE]

If you honestly think Jordan was a saint and earned everything, clearly you're not too much older than the crowd you're insulting.
If you can't remember the murmurs and backlash Jordan got from opposing fans after the refereeing in the 96 finals, then lol.

That was as bad a series as I've ever seen. Couldn't touch Jordan. Yet you never hear about it because of how beloved Jordan was. There are plenty more too, but not nearly as bad.

[QUOTE]Deny, deny, deny. You're like a politician.[/QUOTE]

What am I denying. Its on point with their winning percentage this season, and this is some kind of conspiracy? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=plowking]All of Jordan's rings were fake and helped by the referees. What now?[/QUOTE]

You actually believe that?

Please tell me you're trolling.. :roll:

While I agree jordan had help at times from the refs, most stars do, he didn't need it.

Leflop James and this big business orientated league, guys are being propped up to be the next Jordan or money making machine like Jordan was, only that the reffing has changed the rules, have changed to cater for the big business stars and teams and you wouldn't dare explain or address the 2002 debacle and explain why this Heat team is any different with the systematic reffing.

Jordan helped by referees? Sure. Rings were fake? Comon man, try getting someone in here to agree with you on ISH :lol: Comon I dare you :roll:

[QUOTE=iamgine]Sometimes there are calls that is just bizarre. A referee 5 foot away didn't call any foul but a referee 60 feet away calls it even though the players back are turned and he can't possibly see the action as clear as the nearer ref.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but is it not true that the most important aspect of making the decision is actually the angle at which you are in relation to the play not the distance. If we agree that generally the ref's are not at an extreme distance at which their eyesight inhibits their ability then for instance even if somebody is 60 feet away they may be in a better position to make a call, e.g seeing a block/contest from side on to see if their is arm contact rather than seeing it from the back and not always being able to see contact. Or another example would be being horizontally aligned to the backboard to see if the ball hits the backboard and is a goal tend rather than being directly in front of it.

[QUOTE=Kews1]Agreed, but is it not true that the most important aspect of making the decision is actually the angle at which you are in relation to the play not the distance. If we agree that generally the ref's are not at an extreme distance at which their eyesight inhibits their ability then for instance even if somebody is 60 feet away they may be in a better position to make a call, e.g seeing a block/contest from side on to see if their is arm contact rather than seeing it from the back and not always being able to see contact. Or another example would be being horizontally aligned to the backboard to see if the ball hits the backboard and is a goal tend rather than being directly in front of it.[/QUOTE]

If the 2002 thing happened, why do you wholeheartedly think fixed games/series are still not happening now? How do you know for sure?

[QUOTE=poido123]You actually believe that?

Please tell me you're trolling.. :roll:

While I agree jordan had help at times from the refs, most stars do, he didn't need it.

Leflop James and this big business orientated league, guys are being propped up to be the next Jordan or money making machine like Jordan was, only that the reffing has changed the rules, have changed to cater for the big business stars and teams and you wouldn't dare explain or address the 2002 debacle and explain why this Heat team is any different with the systematic reffing.

Jordan helped by referees? Sure. Rings were fake? Comon man, try get someone in here to agree with you on ISH :lol: Comon I dare you :roll:[/QUOTE]

How f*cking stupid are you that you can't see you're being mocked?

How much of a retard are you that you think this series is rigged? Were our 12 free throws today too much for your over-complaining, whining, bitch made ass? How many did you want us to receive? Less than double digits as a team?
Was it too much for you that we outshot the Pacers from the field, from 3pt land, had less turnovers, more steals, more blocks, more assists, 7 more made field goals?
What calls you incompetent sooky c*nt? Did we really get too many? How about we don't shoot a f*cking free throw next time?

F[COLOR="Black"]ucking[/COLOR] c[COLOR="Black"]unt.[/COLOR] Eat a bag of d!cks you wanker.