Charles Barkley: Zimmer was right to be acquitted

How many people of color will bash him now like they did Larry Elder?

[QUOTE]Outspoken former NBA superstar Charles Barkley said he agrees with the verdict in the murder trial of George Zimmerman, but blasted the media for giving platforms to racists to “vent” their ignorance.

"The main thing I feel bad for is it gives every white person and black person who’s racist a platform to vent their ignorance,” he said. “That’s the thing that bothered me the most. I watched this trail closely and I watched these people on television talking about it. A lot of these people have a hidden agenda. They want to have their racist views, whether they are white or black … Their biases definitely come out. It was a bad situation. We all lost."

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Larry Elder threats on Twitter:

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[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]How many people of color will bash him now like they did Larry Elder?




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Larry Elder threats on Twitter:

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:applause:

Glad Charles Barkley is not ignorant. Glad Barkley and Lupe Fiasco saw this clearly and not afraid to air it out.

:facepalm Still upset Kobe made that tweet. I guess not all athletes are smart outside of their sport.

the verdict was right, our justice system goes by innocent untill proven guilty. doesnt mean Zimmerman is innocent ethically by social standards outside of our justice system

This is just like a conspiracy theory. :oldlol: No one will look at the facts and everyone is simply going on emotion that the media is escalating. Everyone is so hopped up that Zimmerman is a racist and it's profiling and etc. etc. etc......

Instead, if they just looked at the facts for like, 1/2 hour, it's clear it's obvious self defense and totally justified, and Zimmerman did nothing illegal or morally wrong. Not only that, he should be praised for taking initiative to keep his neighborhood safe.

[QUOTE=bagelred]This is just like a conspiracy theory. :oldlol: No one will look at the facts and everyone is simply going on emotion that the media is escalating. Everyone is so hopped up that Zimmerman is a racist and it's profiling and etc. etc. etc......

Instead, if they just looked at the facts for like, 1/2 hour, it's clear it's obvious self defense and totally justified, and Zimmerman did nothing illegal or morally wrong. Not only that, he should be praised for taking initiative to keep his neighborhood safe.[/QUOTE]
Safe from what?

I saw the Larry Elder interview and he made himself look like a total f*ckin idiot.. :oldlol:

he went piers morgan show and proceeded to meltdown.. It was sad

[QUOTE=Chrono90]Glad Barkley and Lupe Fiasco saw this clearly and not afraid to air it out.[/QUOTE]

It's impossible to see this "clearly", because it is an extremely murky situation. You're just happy and ready to drop a clapping smiley for any famous person that happens to agree with your stance.

I have yet to see anybody on either side of the fence in this debate who is completely objective and doesn't have other biases at work that are coloring their opinion, pun intended. You can tell by the tangential comments that make their way into the discussion.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I saw the Larry Elder interview and he made himself look like a total f*ckin idiot.. :oldlol:

he went piers morgan show and proceeded to meltdown.. It was sad[/QUOTE]

Elder got worked up because Piers said, before the show, that Elder didn't have the balls to challenge him in a debate. I think that got Elder worked up.

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]How many people of color will bash him now like they did Larry Elder?




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Larry Elder threats on Twitter:

[URL="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/07/18/twitter-explodes-racial-epithets-towards-larry-elder-coon-house-n-ger"]http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/07/18/twitter-explodes-racial-epithets-towards-larry-elder-coon-house-n-ger[/URL][/QUOTE]

Larry Elder is a right wing blowhard, just like everyone else, he is using this to build his own name. Charles Barkley gave an answer to an interview. Different circumstances, and different motives.

The trouble with this case is the system, and I think that is what has peopel so frustrated.

-under the laws of Florida, GZ is innocent, and his lawyers wove the story the right way.

The above gives the Zimmerman backers 100% empowerment in this argument and forces them to have a 'case closed' mentality.

-minorities once again getting f*cked by the system.

This makes blacks (in this situation) and sympathizers even more angry and desperate, a feeling of 'here we go again' or 'will we ever get a fair shake' overcomes them and they feel a need to do something.

The trouble is that the law is shaky, Mr. Zimmerman was portrayed to be unrealistically weak and pathetic, and one could also say that perhaps Trayvon Martin was 'standing his ground.'

GZ was older, armed and in a position of authority (though in a rent-a-cop kind of way).
GZ got out of his SUV.
GZ was told by a dispatcher not to pursue.

But most importantly TM died at the hands of GZ in a confrontation that GZ initiated.

A youth is dead, and no one is paying except the victim, and what's worse the victim is now the villain.

So while the 'law' was upheld (based on the evidence presented) it doesn't pass the sniff test.



Its like the Amare suspension a couple of years ago, the letter of the law was followed when we should have focused more on the spirit of the law.

I think a lesser manslaughter charge would have been the best way forward.

gotta love barkley... whether he

[QUOTE=kaiteng]Right or wrong, this is the absolute point of the whole trial for everybody not involved in the case.[/QUOTE]
No

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]

[QUOTE]Outspoken former NBA superstar Charles Barkley said he agrees with the verdict in the murder trial of George Zimmerman, but blasted the media for giving platforms to racists to “vent” their ignorance.

"The main thing I feel bad for is it gives every white person and black person who’s racist a platform to vent their ignorance,” he said. “That’s the thing that bothered me the most. I watched this trail closely and I watched these people on television talking about it. A lot of these people have a hidden agenda. They want to have their racist views, whether they are white or black … Their biases definitely come out. It was a bad situation. We all lost."

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Charles is the man. How many public figures would have the balls to say something like that publicly?

:bowdown:


GZ is a dbag and, by playing wannabe cop, cost a kid his life. But legally he wasn't a murderer.

Anybody that knows the history on Barkley knows hes been a coon, from his white wife to being black republican in Alabama, straight up cooning it up for white folks. Hes no different from Larry Elder, Jesse Lee Peterson, Byron Thomas

[QUOTE]"The main thing I feel bad for is it gives every white person and black person who’s racist a platform to vent their ignorance,” he said. “That’s the thing that bothered me the most. I watched this trail closely and I watched these people on television talking about it. A lot of these people have a hidden agenda. They want to have their racist views, whether they are white or black … Their biases definitely come out. It was a bad situation. We all lost."[/QUOTE]

so true

props to Charles for having the balls to say that and go against public/liberal/media opinion of the masses

[QUOTE=christian1923]Safe from what?[/QUOTE]

Mostly robberies. There were a ton of robberies in his apartment community/complex. That's why he was appointed as "security guard". He was working with police for training/instruction I guess on how to do that effectively.

[QUOTE=jdiaby]Anybody that knows the history on Barkley knows hes been a coon, [B][SIZE="5"]from his white wife[/SIZE][/B] to being black republican in Alabama, straight up cooning it up for white folks. Hes no different from Larry Elder, Jesse Lee Peterson, Byron Thomas[/QUOTE]


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- Is that the unspoken Criteria now?....

- In that case.....95% of all black athletes are sellouts:lol

- Barkley is not a sellout....he jus peaks from his Heart.....Right or wrong...he don't give a F@ck.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Larry Elder is a right wing blowhard, just like everyone else, he is using this to build his own name. [B]he was spot on .. fk your political correctness [/B]

The trouble with this case is the system, and I think that is what has peopel so frustrated. [B]wa wa cry[/B]


-minorities once again getting f*cked by the system. [B][B]wa wa .. cry some more[/B] here's a little hint .. do what's right, make something of yourself .. don't mess with other people or rob them or break into their homes .. chances are you'll be in pretty good shape[/B]

This makes blacks (in this situation) and sympathizers even more angry and desperate, a feeling of 'here we go again' or 'will we ever get a fair shake' overcomes them and they feel a need to do something. [B]more crying .. keep it going .. pathetic
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A youth is dead, and no one is paying except the victim, and what's worse the victim is now the villain. [B]a violent prone, doped up criminal is dead[/B]

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getting really sick of people and their sympathy for the criminal element

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- Is that the unspoken Criteria now?....

- In that case.....95% of all black athletes are sellouts:lol

- Barkley is not a sellout....he jus peaks from his Heart.....Right or wrong...he don't give a F@ck.[/QUOTE]

Yea, really, in the 90s Barkley made some blatant racist comments degarding black women proping up white women, so spare me the bull$hit. Barkley been a sell-out, do a little bit of research. Most black athletes are sell-outs as well, black people the only ethnicity that doesn't keep money in their own communities, $hit is sad.

[QUOTE=dude77]getting really sick of people and their sympathy for the criminal element[/QUOTE]

I was portraying how one side feels about the issue. Obviously its the side which opposes your view, and judging by your avatar, you are no better than everyone else who is using this as an opportunity to draw attention to yourself.

Personally, I don't really care much about this verdict, the law seems to have been followed, but what I find troubling is that someone is dead and no one has any responsibility for that. Had GZ listened to the dispatcher, his life would be better and TM would be alive.

And as for Larry Elder, read his tweets, the guy is a RWBH if there ever was one.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]It's impossible to see this "clearly", because it is an extremely murky situation.[/QUOTE]

Oh yes some people can. It's clearly not racist and "Zimmer was right to be acquitted" based on the facts of the case. Clearly, based on the evidence, Zimmerman should be acquitted. Not if he emotionally or in reality should or shouldn't, but based on evidence, he clearly was right to be acquitted in the terms of law.

This is what i meant by clearly. As of what you're saying as "murky," of course, in reality, no one really knows in fact what really happened except for Zimmerman. I'm just saying, in the court of law, some people do see that it is a right decision.

[QUOTE=christian1923]Safe from what?[/QUOTE]

Apparently goons in hoodies strapped with dangerous weapons like Arizona ICE Tea can (you see how big they are? Enemy's stand no chance wen that can pops) and skittles pack (you can paper cut somebody with this, and then dump the Skittles on the ground and make em slip). Gangsta sh!t.

My own personal views almost mirror those of Angela Corey, a state attorney practicing in Florida who said the following >>> [url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/zimmerman-verdict-protests/index.html?iref=allsearch[/url]

[quote=State Attorney Angela Corey][B]"We never said Trayvon didn't do something to George Zimmerman," Corey told HLN's Vinnie Politan. "What we said is you can't take a concealed weapon and encourage or incite a fistfight -- which is what he did by stalking a teenager who didn't know who he was -- and then whip your gun out and shoot," she said[/B].[/quote]

At the end of the day the statute in Florida only protects those not "engaged in unlawful activity," meaning that depending on how you personally interpret 1) Zimmerman's acts before the fight and 2) if he subjectively felt he was in danger of experiencing "great bodily harm" should be the turning points in if he should have been convicted.

Here goes Florida's version of the stand your ground law for those who haven't seen it >>>

[quote]"[B]A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm[/B] to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."[/quote]

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Larry Elder is a right wing blowhard, just like everyone else, he is using this to build his own name. Charles Barkley gave an answer to an interview. Different circumstances, and different motives.

The trouble with this case is the system, and I think that is what has peopel so frustrated.

-under the laws of Florida, GZ is innocent, and his lawyers wove the story the right way.

The above gives the Zimmerman backers 100% empowerment in this argument and forces them to have a 'case closed' mentality.

-minorities once again getting f*cked by the system.

This makes blacks (in this situation) and sympathizers even more angry and desperate, a feeling of 'here we go again' or 'will we ever get a fair shake' overcomes them and they feel a need to do something.

The trouble is that the law is shaky, Mr. Zimmerman was portrayed to be unrealistically weak and pathetic, and one could also say that perhaps Trayvon Martin was 'standing his ground.'

GZ was older, armed and in a position of authority (though in a rent-a-cop kind of way).
GZ got out of his SUV.
GZ was told by a dispatcher not to pursue.

But most importantly TM died at the hands of GZ in a confrontation that GZ initiated.

A youth is dead, and no one is paying except the victim, and what's worse the victim is now the villain.

So while the 'law' was upheld (based on the evidence presented) it doesn't pass the sniff test.



Its like the Amare suspension a couple of years ago, the letter of the law was followed when we should have focused more on the spirit of the law.

I think a lesser manslaughter charge would have been the best way forward.[/QUOTE]

Zimmerman is a minority!

This case only blew up because everybody thought he was white. Obama made his irresponsible comments that fed the flames and showed poor judgement on his part. Then the story broke that George Zimmerman, by all accounts a white name, was actually Hispanic!

Consider the source.


This is the same Barkley busted on Mic saying: "That's why I hate white people..".

The man is a living contradiction.

Well yeah, the verdict was fully correct. The State botched for various reasons (Media Pressure, Hypocritical "Human Rights" Groups, Tunnel Vision in thinking a Jury would buy emotion, A prosecutor that seemed to be fresh out of class, etc.).

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]Zimmerman is a minority!

This case only blew up because everybody thought he was white. Obama made his irresponsible comments that fed the flames and showed poor judgement on his part. Then the story broke that George Zimmerman, by all accounts a white name, was actually Hispanic![/QUOTE]

No man, race had nothing to do with it! Historical significance man, all about that.

[QUOTE=jdiaby]Yea, really, in the 90s Barkley made some [B]blatant racist comments degarding black women proping up white women[/B], so spare me the bull$hit. Barkley been a sell-out, do a little bit of research. Most black athletes are sell-outs as well, black people the only ethnicity that doesn't keep money in their own communities, $hit is sad.[/QUOTE]


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I mostly here Barkley talking about His mom and grandmother bieng the example for him....according to Barkley they are the most Important people to him......so how the F*** could he hate on Black women?

he always praises his mom and grandma for showing him Hard work and dedication....

Barkley also has been [B]very outspoken[/B] about helping " Less fortunate people WORLDWIDE" and the less fortunate in his country/homestate

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqUd6Lr597c"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqUd6Lr597c[/URL]


Barkley is 100% Living what he preaches about......

[QUOTE=bagelred]Mostly robberies. There were a ton of robberies in his apartment community/complex. That's why he was appointed as "security guard". He was working with police for training/instruction I guess on how to do that effectively.[/QUOTE]
But didnt the police he was working with tell him not to follow the kid?

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]Zimmerman is a minority!

This case only blew up because everybody thought he was white. Obama made his irresponsible comments that fed the flames and showed poor judgement on his part. Then the story broke that George Zimmerman, by all accounts a white name, was actually Hispanic![/QUOTE]
White and Hispanic are not mutually exclusive.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]...Personally, I don't really care much about this verdict, the law seems to have been followed, but what I find troubling is that someone is dead and no one has any responsibility for that. Had GZ listened to the dispatcher, his life would be better and TM would be alive.[/QUOTE]
that

[QUOTE=christian1923]But didnt the police he was working with tell him not to follow the kid?[/QUOTE]

What police was he working with?

I mean, considering that all he talked to a dispatcher for the non emergency line. That wasn't an officer and most of the time, it is just a Call Center Rep. No different from when you call Comcast or Verizon.

And, from my personal experience, they tend to give out horrid suggestions.

[QUOTE=christian1923]But didnt the police he was working with tell him not to follow the kid?[/QUOTE]


( watching the trial...looking at the evidence)

GZ claimed that TM ran/skipped/hastly walked away from him.....GZ couldn't see TM anymore....

GZ was already otside of his vehicle when th dispatcher said " we don't need you to follow him".....so GZ walked down the sidewalk to see what address he was closest to ( so he could tell police when they arrived)

GZ didn't try to " go after TM" ...( according to GZ testimony / the missing 4 minutes TM had to go home



also.....


to people saying Charles is a sellout.....when he played he was viewed as the opposite..

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFEHw4edZ98"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFEHw4edZ98[/URL]

[QUOTE=jdiaby]Yea, really, in the 90s Barkley made some blatant racist comments degarding black women proping up white women, so spare me the bull$hit. Barkley been a sell-out, do a little bit of research. Most black athletes are sell-outs as well, black people the only ethnicity that doesn't keep money in their own communities, $hit is sad.[/QUOTE]
You're a tool, and evidently one of those pathetic racists that Barkley was talking about.

To think marrying a white woman is 'selling out' - what a racist thing to say. It's like calling someone a choc ice: as if you should have an extra allegiance to ANYONE based on their skin colour alone. That is RACIST.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]The trouble with this case is the system, and I think that is what has people so frustrated.[/QUOTE]

Actually, the only problem is ignorant people like you have no idea how the events occurred or how the law works.


[QUOTE]under the laws of Florida[/QUOTE]

actually GZ would be innocent in all 50 states as well as territories of the U.S.


[QUOTE]and his lawyers wove the story the right way.[/QUOTE]

If by that you mean the facts and evidence just happened to show Zimmerman was not guilty..




[QUOTE]-minorities once again getting f*cked by the system.[/QUOTE]

If you break the system, prepare to get butt-flustered by the system. Being a minority in the U.S. is no exception.

[QUOTE]will we ever get a fair shake'[/QUOTE]

The law is blind. The law is fair.


[QUOTE]GZ got out of his SUV.[/QUOTE]

He was out of the SUV at the time of the phone call.

[QUOTE]GZ was told by a dispatcher not to pursue.[/QUOTE]

Actually he was told to get out and find a street/house address. He didn't pursue, but instead walked towards the house. TM went in between houses and GZ walked towards the house. All the while, GZ could not see TM. Also, there is a difference between telling someone not to do something, and telling them they don't have to. Furthermore, dispatchers don't have any legal authority to give binding orders whatsoever.

[QUOTE]say that perhaps Trayvon Martin was 'standing his ground.'[/QUOTE]

No, you don't run away from somebody, then go back to their location and attack them, and then claim you were standing your ground.




[QUOTE]But most importantly TM died at the hands of GZ in a confrontation that GZ initiated. [/QUOTE]

No, GZ didn't begin the confrontation either colloquially or legally. GZ had every right to patrol that night, he was the neighborhood watch coordinator and there were numerous home invasions the week before. If he didn't patrol he wouldn't be doing his job. LEGALLY, it is whoever begins to act violently that is at fault. Even if GZ was following TM for miles, it wouldn't give TM the right to assault GZ. The testimony reflects that Martin started the fight. That the first blow, and thus the confrontation, started with MARTIN as the aggressor, not Zimmerman.


GZ getting out of his car is not an initiation of confrontation. Zimmerman following trayvon is not an initiation of confrontation.

Trayvon assaulting zimmerman is an initiation of confrontation.

GZ wasn't told not to pursue. GZ was in fact told to keep an eye on trayvon and relate to the dispatcher what he was doing. So when trayvon took off, Zim got out to keep a line of sight on him.

The dispatcher heard him get out and asked if he was following. Zimmerman says yes, and the dispatcher tells him he "doesn't need to do that". Please note- that as testified in the trial, dispatchers cannot give legally binding orders so they phrase their directives as suggestions.

Nevertheless, Zim says OK, and stops moving. Zim at this point has lost sight of trayvon, who now has ample time to return home, but instead goes back to confront and assault the "creepy ass cracka" who dared look into his behavior.


[QUOTE]A youth is dead, and no one is paying except the victim, and what's worse the victim is now the villain.[/QUOTE]


Martin started the fighting, Martin broke George's nose and was beating Zimmerman into the concrete (an action that can, in fact, kill someone by the way.) Does that sound like a victim to you?




[QUOTE]Its like the Amare suspension a couple of years ago, the letter of the law was followed when we should have focused more on the spirit of the law.[/QUOTE]

I'm more of a proponent of following the law, not following what you think the law means.

But the spirit of the law is that people have a right to defend themselves if they reasonably believe their life or bodily integrity is in danger.

The spirit and the letter of the law were followed consistently here. The spirit of the law is that innocent people should be able to defend themselves from violent predators. It worked.

The case never should have gone to trial. Under any rational explanation, Zimmerman is innocent. No minority was f*cked by the system. A thug attacked a man and died for being a thug.

[QUOTE=ace23]White and Hispanic are not mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE]

So, you are saying Caucasians and Hispanics are the same? People from Mexico are the same as people from Norway?

Just because Hispanics in Miami get booked into jails as "white" doesn't mean they actually are Caucasian.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I saw the Larry Elder interview and he made himself look like a total f*ckin idiot.. :oldlol:

he went piers morgan show and proceeded to meltdown.. It was sad[/QUOTE]

his conclusion is correct tho.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]( watching the trial...looking at the evidence)

GZ claimed that TM ran/skipped/hastly walked away from him.....GZ couldn't see TM anymore....

GZ was already otside of his vehicle when th dispatcher said " we don't need you to follow him".....so GZ walked down the sidewalk to see what address he was closest to ( so he could tell police when they arrived)

GZ didn't try to " go after TM" ...( according to GZ testimony / the missing 4 minutes TM had to go home[/QUOTE]

Even someone as dumb as GZ knows that TM wasn't going to be committing crimes at that point after he had been spotted and pursued.

He was indeed trying to go after TM at that point. It stopped being a matter of crime prevention.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]It's impossible to see this "clearly", because it is an extremely murky situation. You're just happy and ready to drop a clapping smiley for any famous person that happens to agree with your stance.

I have yet to see anybody on either side of the fence in this debate who is completely objective and doesn't have other biases at work that are coloring their opinion, pun intended. You can tell by the tangential comments that make their way into the discussion.[/QUOTE]

Guilt has to be proven, Innocence is assumed. If guilt cant be proven, not guilty is the correct verdict. I cant see how anyone can say that Zimmerman for sure killed trayvon not in self defense. Also you cant say that zimmerman killed trayvon for sure in self defense but, 1 you dont have to and 2 the physical evidence supports zimmerman's account

not guilty is the correct verdict, is all i am saying. I am not saying Zim is a good person.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]Even someone as dumb as GZ knows that TM wasn't going to be committing crimes at that point after he had been spotted and pursued.

He was indeed trying to go after TM at that point. It stopped being a matter of crime prevention.[/QUOTE]


again...you could well be correct....I was trying to go by what the Justice system used ( as to why we got the not guilty verdict)

- IMO GZ most likley did follow TM....and saw him (on the phone) outside his Dad's / Girls house.....

- but no one knows except GZ and TM.....

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[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]So, you are saying Caucasians and Hispanics are the same? People from Mexico are the same as people from Norway?

Just because Hispanics in Miami get booked into jails as "white" doesn't mean they actually are Caucasian.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that there are Caucasian Hispanics. Zimmerman's father is Caucasian.

I didn't follow this case but how do people know these "facts"? Especially since one guy who was there is alive and the other kid is dead lol