I wouldn't give up anyone important. But if he was easy to get would you give it a try? Would be kind of interesting seeing the first two picks of the '08 draft on the same team.
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I wouldn't give up anyone important. But if he was easy to get would you give it a try? Would be kind of interesting seeing the first two picks of the '08 draft on the same team.
No and they wont. The only baskets he'll be making, are baskets for his marijuana stash.
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He'd probably make Thibbs kill himself. If he had any interest in playing D (or Basketball in general for that matter), he'd be a good pick-up for any play-off team.
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[QUOTE=HarryCallahan]:roll:
He'd probably make Thibbs kill himself. If he had any interest in playing D (or Basketball in general for that matter), he'd be a good pick-up for any play-off team.[/QUOTE]
More chance of Thibs killing him after a stupid Beas decision. do not want this scrub anywhere near us. team is looking ok at the moment.
I think they should.
Bulls need a player who is able to create offense for himself, and cares more about scoring (and is good at it) than defending.
Why not put such a troubled, yet talented, player on a strong defensive roster with great leadership? There is zero chance that Beasley can negatively affect the Bulls locker room. It wouldn't be allowed. Absolute worst case scenario is he gets cut/sent to the end of the bench. Best case is he becomes what he was supposed to be -- Poor Man's Melo... say 15-20 ppg on adequate shooting, with little else.
The Bulls definitely don't need anything Beasly brings to the table. HE is an inconsistent scorer and an inconsistent personality. We would be better off trying to nab a backup center.
I'm not going to lie. I'm not proud of it but this is why I'm not a GM.....but......
I can't believe I actually wanted this guy over Rose back in 08. I did, I actually did. I was satisfied with Hinrich, I thought Beasley was going to be Durant-lyte after an impressive freshmen season, I thought the Bulls needed explosiveness and scoring in the frontcourt and he'd be that guy. And possibly the fact that Rose screwed over the Illini and went to Memphis.
Hinrich-Gordon-Deng-Beasley-Noah was a lineup I was excited to see although it lacked the MVP intangibles that Rose brings.
I mean, valid reason IMO back in 08 for a Bulls fan :confusedshrug:
Don't hate me :cry:
[QUOTE=ballinhun8]I'm not going to lie. I'm not proud of it but this is why I'm not a GM.....but......
I can't believe I actually wanted this guy over Rose back in 08. I did, I actually did. I was satisfied with Hinrich, I thought Beasley was going to be Durant-lyte after an impressive freshmen season, I thought the Bulls needed explosiveness and scoring in the frontcourt and he'd be that guy. And possibly the fact that Rose screwed over the Illini and went to Memphis.
Hinrich-Gordon-Deng-Beasley-Noah was a lineup I was excited to see although it lacked the MVP intangibles that Rose brings.
I mean, valid reason IMO back in 08 for a Bulls fan :confusedshrug:
Don't hate me :cry:[/QUOTE]
I was the same bro.
I was one of the guys that was arguing you two down like a pitbull:oldlol:
For what it's worth I have been wrong on my fair share of deals/drafts but D. Rose wasn't one of them lol.
I can't wait for the season to start already...
I went toe to toe with some guy who doesn't post here anymore.
KaptKirk or something.
I begged people to understand that Rose was the pick and it wasn't even close.
The main thing I disagreed on w/ other fans was what position B-EZ would play in the pros.
The people who were PRO-beasley thought he was the 4 that was the answers to our Elton Brand prayers.
Beyond that though....from the experience of watching Derrick every year in HS.....I knew he was SPECIAL.
Lets get this season going already.
P.S. - Wish the Heat wouldn't have got Beasley though. Low Risk High Reward situation for them just like w/ Oden. Beasley no matter how dumb he is, still has talent somewhere in that body and is only 24 i think. Could end up being a nice rotation player for them.
I wasn't here at the time, but yeah I was pretty adamant that we needed Beasley. A coworker of mine convinced me that Rose was a great choice but I was still secretly hoping we would draft Beasley.
we should have went after beasley our team suffers from scoring.. this guy is young and was potential at one point. WE dont need him to save us cause of course we are an elite team. BUT We could def used him on second team or in scoring droughts
HE averaged 10 points on .40% shooting last year and is a career .44% shooter. We don't need him--if he couldn't make an impact on the Wolves, Suns, and Heat why do ppl think he could make an impact on a very structured playoff team?
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Beasley still exists? Amazing development.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]HE averaged 10 points on .40% shooting last year and is a career .44% shooter. We don't need him--if he couldn't make an impact on the Wolves, Suns, and Heat why do ppl think he could make an impact on a very structured playoff team?
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
...because it's a very structured playoff team, with other stars and quality players around him?
He wouldn't be the first player that excelled playing with great players....
[QUOTE=kshutts1]...because it's a very structured playoff team, with other stars and quality players around him?
He wouldn't be the first player that excelled playing with great players....[/QUOTE]
He hasn't shown that he can score when he has had the opportunity to be the top scorer so logically, in a structured environment, he will struggle with less touches and less shots.
We have better 3's and better4's than him he is not needed....we need a 2 or a backup center.
[QUOTE=Go Getter][B]He hasn't shown that he can score when he has had the opportunity to be the top scorer so logically, in a structured environment, he will struggle with less touches and less shots.[/B]
We have better 3's and better4's than him he is not needed....we need a 2 or a backup center.[/QUOTE]
If that is logic, then I don't think you and I can have a conversation, lol.
I will try, though, to show why I disagree with that as "logic".
The go-to player (let's say Lebron) faces constant pressure from the defense. This is typically done by putting the other team's best defender on the individual, while also having the rest of the defensive team focusing on said offensive player, so that they may help if and when it is needed. Similarly, the go-to offensive player faces constant pressure from the rest of the offensive team, in that he must score. He must create good looks. He must, he must, he must. That's a lot of pressure.
Now let's contrast that with a non-go-to player (Battier? Chalmers? Bosh?) on the same team. They are typically taking shots without a defensive player draped all over them. These players are able to catch the ball, usually in their comfort zones, and just shoot it, or make a simple "move" and then shoot. And even if there is a player defending them rather well, it's typically a one-on-one scenario, as the rest of the defensive team is not as focused on help defense with this group. Lastly, this group does not (or rather, should not) feel any additional pressure from his team, as that falls, as mentioned, on the primary scorer. This secondary option may shoot and score if open/needed, but doesn't need to feel the pressure to create something. That allows him to pass the ball when things look inefficient and/or bleak.
To bring this back to the Bulls... Rose demands the defensive attention, and the offensive pressure. Beasley would have been one of those players, like Bosh, that is able to pick and choose his places. Hopefully his choice would be one of the highest probability shots, thus giving himself the best opportunity to succeed.
[QUOTE=kshutts1]If that is logic, then I don't think you and I can have a conversation, lol.
I will try, though, to show why I disagree with that as "logic".
The go-to player (let's say Lebron) faces constant pressure from the defense. This is typically done by putting the other team's best defender on the individual, while also having the rest of the defensive team focusing on said offensive player, so that they may help if and when it is needed. Similarly, the go-to offensive player faces constant pressure from the rest of the offensive team, in that he must score. He must create good looks. He must, he must, he must. That's a lot of pressure.
Now let's contrast that with a non-go-to player (Battier? Chalmers? Bosh?) on the same team. They are typically taking shots without a defensive player draped all over them. These players are able to catch the ball, usually in their comfort zones, and just shoot it, or make a simple "move" and then shoot. And even if there is a player defending them rather well, it's typically a one-on-one scenario, as the rest of the defensive team is not as focused on help defense with this group. Lastly, this group does not (or rather, should not) feel any additional pressure from his team, as that falls, as mentioned, on the primary scorer. This secondary option may shoot and score if open/needed, but doesn't need to feel the pressure to create something. That allows him to pass the ball when things look inefficient and/or bleak.
To bring this back to the Bulls... Rose demands the defensive attention, and the offensive pressure. Beasley would have been one of those players, like Bosh, that is able to pick and choose his places. Hopefully his choice would be one of the highest probability shots, thus giving himself the best opportunity to succeed.[/QUOTE]
Bosh (in Toronto), Battier (pretty much everywhere), and Chalmers (on the Heat and at Kansas), are all cagey, heady players who have proven themselves to have the type of mettle that can add to a championship team.
Beasley was drafted by the Heat and did not perform well enough for them to even give him a chance to improve. He has been on teams where he had the chance to be a featured scorer, 2nd guy, and complimentary guy and has failed to impress at every turn.
The Bull's offense is not run-and-gun, unless you're #1. Otherwise you will have to get looks within a STRUCTURED offense (with some drive and dish).
-He is a poor shooter percentage wise
-he lacks discipline
-He smokes weed and does not make smart plays (which is not what you want in a spot player)
-he will play behind Deng, Dunleavy, Boozer and Taj.
Those things are what "logically" make me think that he would not be a good move for the BUlls (that and we ave no cap space for him, and what money we have needs to be spent on a RELIABLE scorer or backup center.
To simplify my earlier assumption, if he could not be an effective scorer with carte blanche and many shots, how would he be effective on a team that will only get him a few shots a game and with a coach that will bench him for playing poor defense?
Is there no logic that assumption (mind you my rhetoric-- *ASSUMPTION)
Chris Bosh was a top scorer in Toronto but in Miami he has less shots and less opportunity to get going....he is a much more effective scorer than Beasley and sometimes struggled to make an impact with his scoring because he was used to having all the shots he needed to feel comfortable.
Agree to disagree, I guess.
But I believe that a troubled player needs nothing less than a structured environment. And for someone that struggles with poor shot selection, a more structured environment could (again) help in that regard.
I would rather take a flier on someone with all the talent in the world, that is still young, and still has loads of potential.... than to sign a Kirk Hinrich (I know we didn't sign him this year, but it's a good example). A player that is-what-he-is, and while a useful player, you already know exactly what you get from him, and you know that it won't put you over the top.
[QUOTE=kshutts1]Agree to disagree, I guess.
But I believe that a troubled player needs nothing less than a structured environment. And for someone that struggles with poor shot selection, a more structured environment could (again) help in that regard.
I would rather take a flier on someone with all the talent in the world, that is still young, and still has loads of potential.... than to sign a Kirk Hinrich (I know we didn't sign him this year, but it's a good example). A player that is-what-he-is, and while a useful player, you already know exactly what you get from him, and you know that it won't put you over the top.[/QUOTE]
I'm just not sold on Beas fitting into our team concept. I think one of our strengths, well our biggest strength is team defense. If one cog doesn't work it throws the whole system out of wack.
Add that to the fact that Beas doesn't rebound well for his position and his game just turns me off. I'd rather go after a guy like OJ Mayo (who I think we should have reached for) or one of the young 2-guards in the league.
I am of the thinking that we need a backcourt scorer that can handle the pill and shoot threes more than anything else [to take the pressure off of Rose].
I see your point(s) as well though--nice debating with you sir...
[QUOTE=Go Getter]I'm just not sold on Beas fitting into our team concept. I think one of our strengths, well our biggest strength is team defense. If one cog doesn't work it throws the whole system out of wack.
Add that to the fact that Beas doesn't rebound well for his position and his game just turns me off. I'd rather go after a guy like OJ Mayo (who I think we should have reached for) or one of the young 2-guards in the league.
[B]I am of the thinking that we need a backcourt scorer that can handle the pill and shoot threes more than anything else [to take the pressure off of Rose][/B].
I see your point(s) as well though--nice debating with you sir...[/QUOTE]
AGreed there. That's our biggest need.
But I say our second biggest need (or our biggest need, but more generalized than that) is a player whose sole role is to score. We have the defensive structure in place. I want a "free lance" guy that can score. Melo would be ideal, IMO. But that's a HUGE pipe dream.
We are talking about a player commanding 1 MILLION What you going to get for that? Hes not injured and has scored 29 / 9 in college.
AND i would like to add that he is playing +Per in preseason scoring 1 point per minute in game on high FG% it looks to me like theory is wrong the guy was a steal and nobody even bit.. Star players dont swap around so easily they have to fuq up and he did so this is how you get em on the roster for nothing.
[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]We are talking about a player commanding 1 MILLION What you going to get for that? Hes not injured and has scored 29 / 9 in college.
AND i would like to add that he is playing +Per in preseason scoring 1 point per minute in game on high FG% it looks to me like theory is wrong the guy was a steal and nobody even bit.. Star players dont swap around so easily they have to fuq up and he did so this is how you get em on the roster for nothing.[/QUOTE]
1. College means nothing at this point.
2. He also injured himself in the preseaon and still doesn't stick d
3. There is a reason no one bit--it is because dude is unstable and a risk. NOt worth the risk for us when we have two small forwards and two power forwards better than him.....we need to save that spot/money for a wing scorer or backup center.
I would have killed for us to add a piece like DeShawn Stevenson.
Tough, aggressive D, talks crap, and a very good spot up shooter. A guy like that coming off the bench would do wonders against Miami.