LeBron Faces Significantly Worse Opposition than Kobe/MJ In The Playoffs

[B]MJ's opponents:
[/B]
Average wins - [B]53.54[/B]
Average offensive ranking - [B]8.86[/B]
Average defensive ranking - [B]8.46[/B]

[B]Kobe's opponents:[/B]

Average wins - [COLOR="Red"][B]54.42[/B][/COLOR]
Average offensive ranking - [COLOR="Red"][B]8.65[/B][/COLOR]
Average defensive ranking - [COLOR="Red"][B]8.12[/B][/COLOR]

[B]LeBron's opponents:
[/B]
Average wins - [COLOR="Green"][B]50.08[/B][/COLOR]
Average offensive ranking - [COLOR="Green"][B]13.04[/B] [/COLOR]
Average defensive ranking - [COLOR="Green"][B]8.60[/B]
[/COLOR]

All face comparable defenses, but LeBron faces much worse overall and offensively capable teams.

What do we make of this, ISH? :confusedshrug:

Significantly worse yet this thread clearly shows Lennon played tougher defenses in the finals......

Please stop grouping Kobe in the same category with MJ.

[QUOTE=Doranku]All face comparable defenses, but LeBron faces much worse overall and offensively capable teams.

What do we make of this, ISH? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
[U]Lebron and Kobe's opponents in the Finals
[/U]
Lebron:

Average Wins - 58
Defensive Rank - 7
Offensive Rank - 4.5

Kobe:

Average Wins - 54.6
Defensive Rank - 5
Offensive Rank - 11.4

Kobe in the Finals - 25/6/5/2/1 on 41%
Lebron in the Fianls - 23/9/7/2/1 on 44%

[QUOTE=HoopsFanNumero1]Please stop grouping Kobe in the same category with MJ.[/QUOTE]


And Lebron for that matter.

[QUOTE=FreezingTsmoove]Significantly worse yet this thread clearly shows Lennon played tougher defenses in the finals......[/QUOTE]
Nah.. Lebron has played better defenses pre-Finals than Kobe because the east is stacked with scrappy one star teams who are devoid of offensive talent so they compensate with all around contributions in rebounding/defense. Teams like

Detroit
Nets
Bulls
Indiana

and then to a lesser extent sixers, bucks, wizards, etc. Good defensive teams but they have little offensive talent and no stars to lead the way how Lebron/Wade can.

Boston is the only worthy eastern opponent Bron has ever really faced that can step to his team both offensively and defensively and they were exiting their primes just as Lebron joined forces in Miami.



Brons Finals competition has been weaker defensively and the two strongest defensive opponents Bron faced, 07 and 13 spurs, are teams Kobe has regularly had huge success against deep in the playoffs(because Kobes style is anti-spur.. pop tries to man up and psych out stars.. thats just a challenege for kobe.. bron not so much).

Lebron fans have hide this fact for years. Every year, Lebron faces the easiest playoff opponent ever.
List ALL THE TEAMS he played in the 1st round throughout his career. Like seriously.

He's that dude that takes the easiest path available.. that's why lebron fans are now scared Rose is back to take away the easy path.

[QUOTE=aj1987][U]Lebron and Kobe's opponents in the Finals
[/U]
Lebron:

Average Wins - 58
Defensive Rank - 7
Offensive Rank - 4.5

Kobe:

Average Wins - 54.6
Defensive Rank - 5
Offensive Rank - 11.4

Kobe in the Finals - 25/6/5/2/1 on 41%
Lebron in the Fianls - 23/9/7/2/1 on 44%[/QUOTE]

Incorrect.

Lebron:

Average Wins - 57.8
Defensive Rank - 6
Offensive Rank - 5.5

2-2

Kobe:

Average Wins - 56.1
Defensive Rank - 4
Offensive Rank - 12.1

5-2

LeBron >>> Kobe

:confusedshrug:

dat leastern conference

[QUOTE=Young X]dat leastern conference[/QUOTE]
That struggle they had through such a weak playoff competition relative to their own talent level in 2013 was utterly embarrassing.

MJ was barely scraping into the playoffs or making low seeds for the majority of 80's. Whats the point of this? Of course hes going to face teams with more wins when his team wasn't that good to begin with.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. The whole point of playing well in the regular season is to get easier opponents.

It'd be interesting to see the offensive and defensive ratings for each, and not just ranking, since it doesn't really identify shit.

[QUOTE=plowking]MJ was barely scraping into the playoffs or making low seeds for the majority of 80's.[/quote]
With coked out Orlando Woolridge, and Dave Corzine as his best players? Playing against arguably some of the greatest teams of all-time: '86 Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons. That's quite a feat.

LeBron competing against Gilbert Arenas Wizards. haha

Wasn't until Mike finally started to rub off on Scottie Pippen's soft ass around '89 - '90 that they were talented enough outside of Jordan to do something.

MJ's Bulls teams with developmental Pippen were less talented than LeBron's 2005 - 2010: Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Shaquille O'Neal, Ben Wallace, Delonte West, Anderson Varejao, Big Z, Boobie Gibson Cavs teams.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]With coked out Orlando Woolridge, and Dave Corzine as his best players? Playing against arguably some of the greatest teams of all-time: '86 Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons. That's quite a feat.

LeBron competing against Gilbert Arenas Wizards. haha

Wasn't until Mike finally started to rub off on Scottie Pippen's soft ass around '89 - '90 that they were talented enough outside of Jordan to do something.

MJ's Bulls teams with developmental Pippen were less talented than LeBron's 2005 - 2010: Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Shaquille O'Neal, Ben Wallace, Delonte West, Anderson Varejao, Big Z, Boobie Gibson Cavs teams.[/QUOTE]

What are you arguing? Seriously?

[QUOTE=plowking]MJ was barely scraping into the playoffs or making low seeds for the majority of 80's. Whats the point of this? Of course hes going to face teams with more wins when his team wasn't that good to begin with.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. The whole point of playing well in the regular season is to get easier opponents.

It'd be interesting to see the offensive and defensive ratings for each, and not just ranking, since it doesn't really identify shit.[/QUOTE]

Majority of the 80's = 10 playoff games out of 179. :lol

[QUOTE=plowking]What are you arguing? Seriously?[/QUOTE]
I'm not arguing, I'm educating you why MJ is GOAT, and you can't seem to deal with it for some odd reason.

Most educated basketball fans understand this quite simply. But you grew up in Australia, they didn't start getting NBA games until local Australian scrub Luc Longely was getting carried to rings by past his prime MJ in the late 90s.

GOAT gonna GOAT. Get educated Crocodile Dundee Jr..

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]I'm not arguing, I'm educating you why MJ is GOAT, and you can't seem to deal with it for some odd reason.

Most educated basketball fans understand this quite simply. But you grew up in Australia, they didn't start getting NBA games until local Australian scrub Luc Longely was getting carried to rings by past his prime MJ in the late 90s.

GOAT gonna GOAT. Get educated Crocodile Dundee Jr..[/QUOTE]
:roll: Damn.

I have to applaud many of you in your pursuit to trash LeBron in every way possible. You guys always come up with new ways to bash a man you don't know personally; that takes real hatred and dedication.

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]I have to applaud many of you in your pursuit to trash LeBron in every way possible. You guys always come up with new ways to bash a man you don't know personally; that takes real hatred and dedication.[/QUOTE]

Just as much real love and dedication it must take to defend him at every juncture.

[QUOTE=Doranku]Just as much real love and dedication it must take to defend him at every juncture.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't be one of those people, but I do admit that it annoys me more now because he plays for Miami.

[QUOTE=Doranku]Just as much real love and dedication it must take to defend him at every juncture.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Seabass and this whole sissy ass facade of being level headed or unbiased. Get out of here.

The least he could do is man up, and at least somewhat be like plowking in the sense of unabashedly admitting his asshole spreading love for the entire Heat organization. Refusing to admit any of their flaws, and he can go full retard in order to prop up the likes of the franchises current best player over say the obvious GOAT in Michael Jordan.

Just like the rest of these groupie clown current Heat / LeBron stans.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Exactly. Seabass and this whole sissy ass facade of being level headed or unbiased. Get out of here.

The least he could do is man up, and at least somewhat be like plowking in the sense of unabashedly admitting his asshole spreading love for the entire Heat organization. Refusing to admit any of their flaws, and he can go full retard in order to prop up the likes of the franchises current best player over say the obvious GOAT in Michael Jordan.

Just like the rest of these groupie clown current Heat / LeBron stans.[/QUOTE]

Find something better do with your time. Why do you have such an endless pursuit to trash LeBron? I mean that takes real hatred for somebody. When have I refused to admit their flaws? When did I go full retard and put LeBron over MJ? WTF are you talking about? Maybe some of you should just enjoy great players. You don't see me trashing Kobe and MJ in every post, do you? I don't see why people hate me so much for being unbiased and objective. Am I supposed to be on a side? Am I supposed to be one side of an extreme? Am I supposed to be like Tony Montana or Kenny?

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]Find something better do with your time. [B]Why do you have such an endless pursuit to trash LeBron? [/B]I mean that takes real hatred for somebody. When have I refused to admit their flaws? When did I go full retard and put LeBron over MJ? WTF are you talking about? Maybe some of you should just enjoy great players. You don't see me trashing Kobe and MJ in every post, do you? I don't why people hate me so much for being unbiased and objective. Am I supposed to be on a side? Am I supposed to be an one side of an extreme? Am I supposed to be like Tony Montana?[/QUOTE]
Because it's more interesting than talking about his own team (unless it's 15+ years in the past)



#burn

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]Find something better do with your time. Why do you have such an endless pursuit to trash LeBron? I mean that takes real hatred for somebody. When have I refused to admit their flaws? When did I go full retard and put LeBron over MJ? WTF are you talking about? Maybe some of you should just enjoy great players. You don't see me trashing Kobe and MJ in every post, do you? I don't see why people hate me so much for being unbiased and objective. Am I supposed to be on a side? Am I supposed to be an one side of an extreme? Am I supposed to be like Tony Montana or Kenny?[/QUOTE]
How am I bashing LeBron? I'm stating the obvious. Your fellow Heat cheerleader plowking is literally trying to devalue the consensus game's greatest player, and the person LeBron himself feels is easily the best ever.

:oldlol:

As for my time, I do what I want. I don't need advice from a 19 year old. I'm chilling waiting for my GF to get back from work with my food. I enjoy my time humilitating and educating groupie slut Heat fans like yourself.

Do something better with your time Sebass ... go pop in your favorite Drake or Justin Bieber album, put on your spunk stained LeBron James Miami Heat jersey and go flick your bean.

Cause it's obvious you have a puhssy.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Because it's more interesting than talking about his own team (unless it's 15+ years in the past)[/QUOTE]
From the guy who can't stop talking about Derrick Rose, even though he hasn't played a meaningful game since April 2012. That insecurity.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]How am I bashing LeBron? I'm stating the obvious. Your fellow Heat cheerleader plowking is literally trying to devalue the consensus game's greatest player, and the person LeBron himself feels is easily the best ever.

:oldlol:

As for my time, I do what I want. I don't need advice from a 19 year old. I'm chilling waiting for my GF to get back from work with my food. I enjoy my time humilitating and educating groupie slut Heat fans like yourself.

Do something better with your time Sebass ... go pop in your favorite Drake or Justin Bieber album, put on your spunk stained LeBron James Miami Heat jersey and go flick your bean.

Cause it's obvious you have a puhssy.[/QUOTE]

What does that have to do with me? (the part you said about Plowking)

How am I a groupie slut Heat fan? You haven't shown me any evidence of this; all you've done is try to insult me. When have I ever been a LeBron stan? Wade has always been my favorite player. The only thing I have of LeBron is his jersey. You haven't humiliated anyone but yourself. You just come off as an immature asshole. Just because I don't hate LeBron doesn't mean I'm a groupie. A lot of your posts are just nonsense.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]I'm not arguing, I'm educating you why MJ is GOAT, and you can't seem to deal with it for some odd reason.

Most educated basketball fans understand this quite simply. But you grew up in Australia, they didn't start getting NBA games until local Australian scrub Luc Longely was getting carried to rings by past his prime MJ in the late 90s.

GOAT gonna GOAT. Get educated Crocodile Dundee Jr..[/QUOTE]

Why you acting up?
You used to follow me around on here clinging onto my jockstrap like a groupie all but 2 years ago. You've got posts on here applauding yourself with your alternate accounts that you confirmed yourself. Made yourself look silly.

Crocodile Dundee Jr? You think the girls over there in Chicago don't like Aussie accents? I could probably come over there, beat your ass in 1 on 1, plow your girl in front of you since she digs the accent, and you'd have no worries about it since you're a bitch who clearly admires me from an internet forum. :oldlol:

What I said didn't have anything to do with Jordan being bad or good. I was just saying how it skewed the numbers, since he was facing teams from the 8th seed. Now sit down, and be a good little admirer quietly, or do you really want to get into it? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Exactly. Seabass and this whole sissy ass facade of being level headed or unbiased. Get out of here.

[/QUOTE]

Well at least you're right about something.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]How am I bashing LeBron? I'm stating the obvious. Your fellow Heat cheerleader plowking is literally trying to devalue the consensus game's greatest player, and the person LeBron himself feels is easily the best ever.

:oldlol:

As for my time, I do what I want. I don't need advice from a 19 year old. I'm chilling waiting for my GF to get back from work with my food. I enjoy my time humilitating and educating groupie slut Heat fans like yourself.

Do something better with your time Sebass ... go pop in your favorite Drake or Justin Bieber album, put on your spunk stained LeBron James Miami Heat jersey and go flick your bean.

Cause it's obvious you have a puhssy.


From the guy who can't stop talking about Derrick Rose, even though he hasn't played a meaningful game since April 2012. That insecurity.[/QUOTE]

We all know MJ is GOAT,so why do you constantly need to jump into threads to remind everyone? I just find it odd you call people "stans", yet you're a fan of arguably the greatest nba player that ever lived. Why can't we enjoy the time we have with LeBron still in his peak like you already did with MJ ?

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH][B]From the guy who can't stop talking about Derrick Rose[/B], even though he hasn't played a meaningful game since April 2012. That insecurity.[/QUOTE]
That's true, but it's not a good enough reason to decline using a joke that popped into my head.

[QUOTE=plowking]Well at least you're right about something.[/QUOTE]

For somebody who is a ***** and likes to suck up to people, I sure argue a lot. IDK how I am supposed to be. I defend LeBron and the Heat, but that doesn't mean I will support stupid opinions of LeBron stans and bandwagon fans. I understand Samurai's opinion of me because he's a MJ stan and I never agree with him, but I don't get your vendetta against me.

Every time I think of Cleveland's 2007 run, I just have to wonder if they would have gotten to the Finals if they had better competition. Their first two opponents were .500 teams and then they played the Pistons without Ben Wallace. Not exactly top tier teams.

Then you have MJ who played the Pistons every year from '88-'91. Then Pat Riley took over the Knicks and they became a defensive powerhouse. Cleveland also became a competitive team during that time. Other than '91, the Bulls didn't coast to the Finals during their first 3-peat. The Knicks gave them problems and even Cleveland took them to 6 in '92.

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]For somebody who is a ***** and likes to suck up to people, I sure argue a lot. IDK how I am supposed to be. I defend LeBron and the Heat, but that doesn't mean I will support stupid opinions of LeBron stans and bandwagon fans. I understand Samurai's opinion of me because he's a MJ stan and I never agree with him, but I don't get your vendetta against me.[/QUOTE]
Honestly bro, you ARE a little too Swiss.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Honestly bro, you ARE a little too Swiss.[/QUOTE]

I think I'm looking more for a serious place to talk about basketball, and I keep forgetting that this isn't a serious place for that. This is just a bunch of trolls fighting with each other. Maybe I should just come on here to have fun. I come off as more insecure than I actually am. Oh well...

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]I come off as more insecure than I actually am. Oh well...[/QUOTE]
LeBron / Heat fan? That obvious soft insecurity makes sense. Which is why I called you out on your soft ass passive-aggressive ways. Very feminine.

Especially with your brethren in this thread. Even the ones from the land down under, with their laugh inducing accent, delusions of grandeur of banging American chicks, and being hero worshipped on message boards.

The image some people build up of themselves in their mind compared to reality is always entertaining. Delusions and a false sense of reality.

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]LeBron / Heat fan? That obvious soft insecurity makes sense. Which is why I called you out on your soft ass passive-aggressive ways. Very feminine.

Especially with your brethren in this thread. Even the ones from the land down under, with their laugh inducing accent, delusions of grandeur of banging American chicks, [B]and being hero worshipped on message boards[/B].

The image some people build up of themselves in their mind compared to reality is always entertaining. Delusions and a false sense of reality.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

I'm not a hero Samurai. I'm just trying to be there for you.

Just flash the ISH logo in the sky when you need your ass beat in 1 on 1, and your girl banged.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]LeBron / Heat fan? That obvious soft insecurity makes sense. Which is why I called you out on your soft ass passive-aggressive ways. Very feminine.

Especially with your brethren in this thread. Even the ones from the land down under, with their laugh inducing accent, delusions of grandeur of banging American chicks, and being hero worshipped on message boards.

[B]The image some people build up of themselves in their mind compared to reality is always entertaining. Delusions and a false sense of reality.[/B]

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

You're pretty much describing everyone here on insidehoops. Btw, your gf sure is taking long with that food. Think it's time you get off here and go spend time with her. Well, if she's actually real. Many people here claim to have girlfriends. Kinda like the "false sense of reality" you wrote.

Somebody said list all of lebrons first round oppenents.... dawg when u are a top seed every year ur not gonna face great teams in the 1st round im far from a lebron fan im actually a lebron hater but come on man we gotta go harder than that

[QUOTE=ihoopallday]You're pretty much describing everyone here on insidehoops. Btw, your gf sure is taking long with that food. Think it's time you get off here and go spend time with her. Well, if she's actually real. Many people here claim to have girlfriends. Kinda like the "false sense of reality" you wrote.[/QUOTE]

Shes real. I get together with her.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]LeBron / Heat fan? That obvious soft insecurity makes sense. Which is why I called you out on your soft ass passive-aggressive ways. Very feminine.

Especially with your brethren in this thread. Even the ones from the land down under, with their laugh inducing accent, delusions of grandeur of banging American chicks, and being hero worshipped on message boards.

The image some people build up of themselves in their mind compared to reality is always entertaining. Delusions and a false sense of reality.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

My approach is not to be on one side. Heat fans want me to be bold and be with them even if their opinions are ridiculous. I think you are grouping all of us to be the same. Just because Plowking makes an opinion about MJ doesn't mean I agree with him. I only give my opinion whether it agrees with LeBron stans or not. That is all.

Getting into personal lives and insulting people over the Internet is really stupid. I really don't care if you have a girlfriend. I just came off a long relationship. Nobody cares.

[QUOTE=talamo]Somebody said list all of lebrons first round oppenents.... dawg when u are a top seed every year ur not gonna face great teams in the 1st round im far from a lebron fan im actually a lebron hater but come on man we gotta go harder than that[/QUOTE]

:lol this. And people claim their championship runs aren't legit because notable players got injured. How the **** is that Miami's fault. I'm sure we can go back and look at every single playoffs and find key players injured so we can discredit those champions too.