Shaq calls Nash's MVPs "tainted"

[QUOTE]O'Neal calls Nash's MVPs 'tainted'

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Feb. 24, 2007 12:00 AM
MINNESOTA - Often, Steve Nash is sainted for his two MVP seasons, but Shaquille O'Neal considers them to be "tainted."

After Miami's loss in Dallas on Thursday, O'Neal was engaged in an MVP discussion as it related to the Mavericks' Dirk Nowitzki. O'Neal questioned how the media picks MVPs and said the award has been "tainted" the past two seasons. O'Neal was the runner-up for Nash's first MVP in 2005.

O'Neal repeated "tainted" references to reporters.
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"I don't know what to say," Nash said. "I'm sorry he feels that way."[/QUOTE]


Oh snapz :roll:

[QUOTE=konex]Oh snapz :roll:[/QUOTE]

O'Neil is probably like I dominated the keague like almost no other for 3 str8 years and only got 1 MVP. You could have put me on any team in the NBA and they would have had a shot in the playoffs. I was that valuable of a player but I only got one. Nash isnt even half that good. Thats prob why he thinks his MVP's are tainted.

I bet if you got more honest opinions from NBA players they would agree.

Shaq is just saying things for the sake of staying them. He loves the spotlight and can't stand when someone else is being mentioned for their achievements. He's one of the funniest NBA players ever, but has the mentality of a jealous teenager.

[QUOTE]I bet if you got more honest opinions from NBA players they would agree.[/QUOTE]

Actually I think many players have let the media convince them that Nash is the MVP. Ray Allen called him the best player in the league a few weeks back :wtf:

I made a thread a few days ago pointing out the timeframe of Wade's comments about Dirk not being a good leader in the Finals.. this was right at the time Dirk was considered the consensus MVP.. my theory was that Shaq told Wade to say this to prevent Dirk from getitng MVP..

After reading this I have ZERO doubt that is what happened... he now seems to be doing the same thing with Nash too..

I don't like that, I just want to hear the whole conversation, but calling Nash's MVP tainted is not right... Nash is one of the hardest guys to guard on offense if not the hardest... sure defensively he's not the greatest, but he's better than people give him credit for on defense... to me, he still deserved those two MVPs and for Shaq to call 'em tainted while he hasn't done sh!t for his team this year, thats just disrespect...

[QUOTE=funkylikemonkey]Shaq is just saying things for the sake of staying them. He loves the spotlight and can't stand when someone else is being mentioned for their achievements. He's one of the funniest NBA players ever, [B]but has the mentality of a jealous teenager[/B].[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I like Shaq, but he's always had that mentality. When Kobe was becoming a top player in the league, Shaq was angry and wanted all the glory. When Wade basically took over the series and won the heat the championship, all Shaq could muster out was "I told him he could do it, he's humble, he listens to me (give me the glory) type stuff.

So, in the case of the MVP, that statement seems to have "If I can't have it, nobody else should" written all over it.

shaq hasnt said anythign none of use havent realized. its just PC and good media relations to not question it, but frankly nash is a very week mvp. he certainly didnt deserve it the last two years, especially the first

[QUOTE=bokes15]Exactly. I like Shaq, but he's always had that mentality. When Kobe was becoming a top player in the league, Shaq was angry and wanted all the glory. When Wade basically took over the series and won the heat the championship, all Shaq could muster out was "I told him he could do it, he's humble, he listens to me (give me the glory) type stuff.

So, in the case of the MVP, that statement seems to have "If I can't have it, nobody else should" written all over it.[/QUOTE]

You forgot Penny...

[QUOTE=jaja]shaq hasnt said anythign none of use havent realized. its just PC and good media relations to not question it, but frankly nash is a very week mvp. he certainly didnt deserve it the last two years, especially the first[/QUOTE]

I don't mind Nash having 1... He did turn that team around when he joined... but two... no... Dirk should have been MVP last year and should be on his way to a second this year. Nash was a three pointer away from being bounced from the first round...

[QUOTE=jaja]shaq hasnt said anythign none of use havent realized. its just PC and good media relations to not question it, but frankly nash is a very week mvp. he certainly didnt deserve it the last two years, especially the first[/QUOTE]

Ya, since you know how every 3rd sports journalist does question it. Why is it not "PC" to question something like this? Its not offensive to anyone if this is questioned, so I don't see how it is not "PC"

[QUOTE=MaxFly]I don't mind Nash having 1... He did turn that team around when he joined... but two... no... Dirk should have been MVP last year and should be on his way to a second this year. Nash was a three pointer away from being bounced from the first round...[/QUOTE]

If Nash deserved it the first year, then he definitely deserved it the second year. I wouldn't have been mad if Dirk had won it, but they were a front runner in the west. W/O Amare the media had written off Phoenix and yet Nash carried them to another West finals with a bunch of new players and improved on his numbers from his first MVP season.

[QUOTE=bokes15]If Nash deserved it the first year, then he definitely deserved it the second year. I wouldn't have been mad if Dirk had won it, but they were a front runner in the west. W/O Amare the media had written off Phoenix and yet Nash carried them to another West finals with a bunch of new players and improved on his numbers from his first MVP season.[/QUOTE]

The Suns had a bunch of excellent players. The media wrote them off because no one really knew how good a team they were, but I think that Dirk deserved the award more than Nash last season. Dirk played excellent ball, and his team had an excellent record. I don't think Nash deserved the award over Dirk.

[QUOTE=MaxFly]The Suns had a bunch of excellent players. The media wrote them off because no one really knew how good a team they were, but I think that Dirk deserved the award more than Nash last season. Dirk played excellent ball, and his team had an excellent record. I don't think Nash deserved the award over Dirk.[/QUOTE]

Well, if Shaq had said straight up, "Dirk deserved it over Nash," it would seem like more of a legitimate statement. Instead it seems like he said what he said because Nash got it over himself (Shaq).

[QUOTE=bokes15]Well, if Shaq had said straight up, "Dirk deserved it over Nash," it would seem like more of a legitimate statement. Instead it seems like he said what he said to make because Nash got it over himself (Shaq).[/QUOTE]

Oh no, I'm with you on that. Shaq talks entirely too much. He's not even the MVP of his team. He needs to be a little more concerned about his team and less about what Nash won and hasn't won. He has a way of making everything about him... :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Oh no, I'm with you on that. Shaq talks entirely too much. He's not even the MVP of his team. He needs to be a little more concerned about his team and less about what Nash won and hasn't won. He has a way of making everything about him... :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
agreed

Shaqs just pointing out how many years hes dominated and only gotten 1 MVP while Nash has only had those 3-4 great seasons and already has 2, possibly 3, Shaq got robbed in 04-05, so I agree with Shaq there.

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Oh no, I'm with you on that. Shaq talks entirely too much. He's not even the MVP of his team. He needs to be a little more concerned about his team and less about what Nash won and hasn't won. He has a way of making everything about him... :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

someone asked Shaq a question he answered. Whats wrong with that.

Shaq has a right to talk.... HE is a top 10 player ever....Dominated the league and just came off a championship run. If he cant talk about Nash's MVP's than who can.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]someone asked Shaq a question he answered. Whats wrong with that.

Shaq has a right to talk.... HE is a top 10 player ever....Dominated the league and just came off a championship run. If he cant talk about Nash's MVP's than who can.[/QUOTE]

So why is he calling out Nash? Why wouldn't he call out the people who got MVP's in the years he dominated the league? AI, TD, KG?

Or if you wanna go even before that, MJ, Karl Malone? :confusedshrug: :rolleyes:

Shaq is all talk nowadays. I hardly pay attention to this guy. Wake mew up, when he earns that 20 million a season he's getting.

[QUOTE=bokes15]So why is he calling out Nash? Why wouldn't he call out the people who got MVP's in the years he dominated the league? AI, TD, KG???

Or if you wanna go even before that, MJ, Karl Malone? :confusedshrug: :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

This brings me to a different debate about how good Steve Nash is as a player compared to those guys in those years. And how much being in Phoenix helps steve NAsh. I dont want to get into that debate now so i will bow out. I will leave by saying i doubt Shaq puts nash in the same category as any if the players you mentioned even AI in his MVP.

I hope Nash can keeo this pace up so he wins this year and next year as well though. So when every1 looks back and see's no finals appearances they will see how dumb and overrated he and his style of play is.

[QUOTE=theinfamousmobb]Shaqs just pointing out how many years hes dominated and only gotten 1 MVP while Nash has only had those 3-4 great seasons and already has 2, possibly 3, Shaq got robbed in 04-05, so I agree with Shaq there.[/QUOTE]

04/05 was the closest MVP vote in history, I think it was separated by a couple of votes. So thats just tough luck for Shaq, that could have went either way.
As it stands now the MVP for this season is going to be Dirk or Nash. I can't wait to read the posts on ISH if Nash wins again.

And YES...he very well could win it again, Every player interview ive heard about MVPs and such, the player mentions Nash as one of the best players in the league. These are the guys playing him every night. this must hold water with all the Nash ****** out there.

Time to for the Nash ****** to give him his Due.

[QUOTE=KingofKings718]Shaq is all talk nowadays. I hardly pay attention to this guy. Wake mew up, when he earns that 20 million a season he's getting.[/QUOTE]

he earned it last year when he brought Miami there first ever title.

[QUOTE=RAPSCANWIN]04/05 was the closest MVP vote in history, I think it was separated by a couple of votes. So thats just tough luck for Shaq, that could have went either way.
As it stands now the MVP for this season is going to be Dirk or Nash. I can't wait to read the posts on ISH if Nash wins again.

And YES...he very well could win it again, Every player interview ive heard about MVPs and such, the player mentions Nash as one of the best players in the league. These are the guys playing him every night. this must hold water with all the Nash ****** out there.

Time to for the Nash ****** to give him his Due.[/QUOTE]

why does ISH ******out the word aters with an h in the front.

Remember when Shaq dominated like no other? The talk then was shaq was obviously the MVP year after year, but they can't just give him the MVP every season, wouldn't be fair. Hey thats what everybody was saying and it kinda made sense til Nash won back-to-back MVP's. I wish Shaq elaborated a little bit more into why Nash's are tainted.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]This brings me to a different debate about how good Steve Nash is as a player compared to those guys in those years. And how much being in Phoenix helps steve NAsh. I dont want to get into that debate now so i will bow out. I will leave by saying i doubt Shaq puts nash in the same category as any if the players you mentioned even AI in his MVP.

I hope Nash can keeo this pace up so he wins this year and next year as well though. So when every1 looks back and see's no finals appearances they will see how dumb and overrated he and his style of play is.[/QUOTE]

The MVP isn't a comparison of previous years, it's a "what have you done for your team this year" trophy. In 04/05, Shaq didn't lead his team to a title or even past the pistons in the east finals and in 05/06 it isn't even a debate that Shaq should've won over Nash. I would put him at 6th last year behind Dirk, Nash, Kobe, Lebron, AND Wade (in any order).. and maybe even throw Chauncey in there.

[QUOTE=bokes15]The MVP isn't a comparison of previous years, it's a "what have you done for your team this year" trophy. In 04/05, Shaq didn't lead his team to a title or even past the pistons in the east finals and in 05/06 it isn't even a debate that Shaq should've won over Nash. I would put him at 6th last year behind Dirk, Nash, Kobe, Lebron, AND Wade (in any order).. and maybe even throw Chauncey in there.[/QUOTE]


i meant that I think Shaq brings up Nash's MVP's as tainted because he feels he isnt in the same class of player as other MVP's. Kinda like he isnt good enough to be in the multiple MVP club. Thats why he singled out Nash.

Shaq neeeds to learn its a REGULAR season MVP and Shaq is notorious for slacking off every NBA regular season, if he had half of Nash's work ethic and determination instead of relying on his Physical Dominance he'd have far more than 1 MVP.

[QUOTE=Michael Jordan]Shaq neeeds to learn its a REGULAR season MVP and Shaq is notorious for slacking off every NBA regular season, if he had half of Nash's work ethic and determination instead of relying on his Physical Dominance he'd have far more than 1 MVP.[/QUOTE]

Well maybe if NAsh paced himself in the regualar season he wouldnt burn out in the post season and he might make it to the finals at least once. Maybe if he worked a little harder he could have learned how to play defense and than he could have won with Dirk like Shaq won with Kobe.

Shaq is in a whole different class of player than NAsh.... dont compare them as it does a disservice to Shaq.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]Well maybe if NAsh paced himself in the regualar season he wouldnt burn out in the post season and he might make it to the finals at least once. Maybe if he worked a little harder he could have learned how to play defense and than he could have won with Dirk like Shaq won with Kobe.

Shaq is in a whole different class of player than NAsh.... dont compare them as it does a disservice to Shaq.[/QUOTE]

You really can't compare an inside/outside tandem to Nash/Nowitzki who both played primarily on the perimeter.

If you think back to Shaq's LA days, he was notorious for having a bad work ethic. His brute size and strength were enough for him to get by in his younger days, but now we're seeing that with age, it's causing him to break down rapidly.

Why people put stock into this award is a mystery.Until there is some criteria established it comes down to a personal opinion.Even then it's useless...way to many factors have to be taken into account.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]Well maybe if NAsh paced himself in the regualar season he wouldnt burn out in the post season and he might make it to the finals at least once. Maybe if he worked a little harder he could have learned how to play defense and than he could have won with Dirk like Shaq won with Kobe.

Shaq is in a whole different class of player than NAsh.... dont compare them as it does a disservice to Shaq.[/QUOTE]

You missed my point, whether you should pace yourself or go all out is a whole nother thread, Im just stating facts, its a regular season award, and Shaq slacks off\paces himself so he cant expect lots of regular season awards, even if in his case he can debatedly extend his career, play better in the playoffs and win more titles by doing so.

I'm not a really big fan of Shaq, but I have to agree with his statement.

Nash, as good as he is perceived to be, is only a second or third string compared to many other players as far as MVP of the league is concerned.

Being MVP of your team does not necessarily translate to league MVP.


Nash definitely does not have it in him to lead his team to the promised land.

[QUOTE=TurkeyStraightUp]I'm not a really big fan of Shaq, but I have to agree with his statement.

Nash, as good as he is perceived to be, is only a second or third string compared to many other players as far as MVP of the league is concerned.

Being MVP of your team does not necessarily translate to league MVP.

[B]
Nash definitely does not have it in him to lead his team to the promised land[/B].[/QUOTE]

I hope everyone is still saying that after the playoffs this year.:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Younggrease]someone asked Shaq a question he answered. Whats wrong with that.

Shaq has a right to talk.... HE is a top 10 player ever....Dominated the league and just came off a championship run. If he cant talk about Nash's MVP's than who can.[/QUOTE]

It's so much more than that. He called the award "tainted." What if Nash turned around and called the Lakers 02 championship "tainted." After all, he's a two time NBA MVP and will go down as one of the best point guards ever... why shouldn't he talk... Not everything a person can say or has the right to say should be said... Shaq's comments fall into that category.

[QUOTE=MaxFly]It's so much more than that. He called the award "tainted." What if Nash turned around and called the Lakers 02 championship "tainted." After all, he's a two time NBA MVP and will go down as one of the best point guards ever... why shouldn't he talk... Not everything a person can say or has the right to say should be said... Shaq's comments fall into that category.[/QUOTE]

It is tainted.Not because of Nash.Because of the reasons I cited.It's a bogus award.

wonder if he's trying to pull the race card...

Nash's is tainted, and he doesn't think Dirk should win...

[QUOTE=NYKnicks914]wonder if he's trying to pull the race card...

Nash's is tainted, and he doesn't think Dirk should win...[/QUOTE]

What you mean....'the race card?'Explain.

1st of all, *** a Shaq.


[QUOTE]"I don't know what to say," Nash said. "I'm sorry he feels that way." [/QUOTE]


Nash Bodied him with Kindness.

Shaq is right, it is a complete joke that Steve Nash, with all of his 0, ZERO, notta Finals appearances, has 2 MVPs yet Shaq, he of 6 Finals appearances and 4 titles, has 1 MVP.

It is a complete and utter joke that Nash has two MVPs.