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☆Official Kobe Bryant Thread: #Ko8e24
With Meeks doing pretty well as SG, and assuming Kobe would not be as mobile, would MDA use him as a SF?
I remember when MJ returned from retirement, he played SF at Washington so he also doesn't have to chase quick SGs.
The problem is on the other end, he'll be guarded by taller guys too.
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Re: Kobe as a Small Forward
[QUOTE=tamaraw08]With Meeks doing pretty well as SG, and assuming Kobe would not be as mobile, would MDA use him as a SF?
I remember when MJ returned from retirement, he played SF at Washington so he also doesn't have to chase quick SGs.
The problem is on the other end, he'll be guarded by taller guys too.[/QUOTE]
Nothing at all against you, and I agree with playing Kobe at SF........BUT
There is something really horribly wrong with moving Kobe's position in favor of Jodie Meeks :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Re: Kobe as a Small Forward
[QUOTE=DKLaker]Nothing at all against you, and I agree with playing Kobe at SF........BUT
There is something really horribly wrong with moving Kobe's position in favor of Jodie Meeks :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:[/QUOTE]
exactly...he is a volume shooter. he is good now and will be miserable in few weeks
Kobe should play 2 and only 2...3 like u say is going to be tough..playing aginst 3
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Re: Kobe as a Small Forward
This is why we need Trevor back. Kobe can play SG in the offensive end, & then play SF at the other end. I like Meeks, but he should just play Vujacic's role.
& this is also why they gotta build their roster around for the top 5 teams this off-season & not just sign Melo (if that ever happens).
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Re: Kobe as a Small Forward
I feel Kobe is probably too old to play small forward now permanently anyway, positives and negatives to it, would give up a fair bit on defense if he's up against bigger 3's and isn't as good on defense as he once was to be able to make up for the size disadvantage he will have not that that's a slant on Kobe it happens to everyone with time or maybe he just gambles too much on defense. Ultimately I think it depends on who the opposition 3 is, you could play him on the less physically strong 3's and it could work fine but I don't think you can permanently play him there or for an extended amount of time. I think it's too big of an ask to play someone coming off an achilles tear to play on 3's who can often be bigger and stronger and at 35 years of age, it might save him from being hurt when playing defense against quicker shooting guards but I'd rather him just stay at 2, it might at his age save his legs though not having to go on players who are quicker but they will often be bigger on the flip side of the coin. Pro's and con's to the idea so I suppose given there isn't very high hopes for this year it will probably be trialled.
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Re: Kobe as a Small Forward
[QUOTE=DKLaker]Nothing at all against you, and I agree with playing Kobe at SF........BUT
There is something really horribly wrong with moving Kobe's position in favor of Jodie Meeks :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:[/QUOTE]
I know I started the thread with Meeks doing "pretty well", note that I didn't say he is doing great.:(
But I also included another reason which is not putting pressure on Kobe to chase quick SGs.
Starters usually play more minutes, Meeks has been pretty consistent, (except the Denver game) and has been really working hard both in defense and not just lurking in the perimeter. He actually cuts and finds open spots etc and also he has a develop a rapport and Blake has been finding him. Putting him on the bench might shake his confidence.
Another point is that other guys have been very inconsistent. Johnson, Young etc, why punish Jodie.... Then again, he could be really strengthen the bench...
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Re: Kobe as a Small Forward
So Kobe can't chase around SG's on defense but he's supposed to guard guys like Lebron, Melo, Durant, George, Batum, etc, etc? I can see him playing SF for some short stretches but it makes no sense to keep him there permanently.
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Re: Kobe as a Small Forward
[QUOTE=dd24]So Kobe can't chase around SG's on defense but he's supposed to guard guys like Lebron, Melo, Durant, George, Batum, etc, etc? I can see him playing SF for some short stretches but it makes no sense to keep him there permanently.[/QUOTE]
It is my opinion that Kobe (who by the way is 6-6 1/2 and not 6-3 and not 180 lbs)can defend SFs better than Ray Allen who run rings using multiple picks or Wade who is called flash, or George Hill who is very quick or SGs who can really shoot from 26 feet where you have to be on their grill all the time.. Yes, I still remember when he got punished in the post by Steve Smith in 1999 etc but after gtting tutored by Payton etc on how to defend down low I think over the years, Kobe has learned to hold his own against 6-8 forwards. Yes, Durant is the exception but doubting if he can defend Batum? really?
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Re: Kobe as a Small Forward
[QUOTE=tamaraw08]It is my opinion that Kobe (who by the way is 6-6 1/2 and not 6-3 and not 180 lbs)can defend SFs better than Ray Allen who run rings using multiple picks or Wade who is called flash, or George Hill who is very quick or SGs who can really shoot from 26 feet where you have to be on their grill all the time.. Yes, I still remember when he got punished in the post by Steve Smith in 1999 etc but after gtting tutored by Payton etc on how to defend down low I think over the years, Kobe has learned to hold his own against 6-8 forwards. Yes, Durant is the exception but doubting if he can defend Batum? really?[/QUOTE]
I'm in agreement with you on this, but it has become a choice of getting beat on the perimeter or getting beat in the paint where you can get help from your PF or Center. I choose the latter. All this being said, we don't know how much speed Kobe has lost.....maybe he can still guard SGs?
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Re: [Official Kobe Bryant Thread] Kobe as a Small Forward
No, just no. Meeks is slowly coming back down to Earth after that terrific start. Those boneheaded plays are just inexcusable for someone in the starting unit.
When Kobe comes back, start Wesley Johnson at the 3, or make a trade and bring back Ariza at the 3.
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Re: [Official Kobe Bryant Thread] Kobe as a Small Forward
[QUOTE=BallsOut]No, just no. Meeks is slowly coming back down to Earth after that terrific start. Those boneheaded plays are just inexcusable for someone in the starting unit.
When Kobe comes back, start Wesley Johnson at the 3, or make a trade and bring back Ariza at the 3.[/QUOTE]
I don't see the Wizards trading Ariza. Porter is hurt so he's not going to be their starter. Ariza has been good for them this year, and that's a team that wants to finally make a playoff run. I think they would rather just let him walk after the season is done and keep the cap room.
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Re: [Official Kobe Bryant Thread] Kobe as a Small Forward
[QUOTE=BallsOut]No, just no. Meeks is slowly coming back down to Earth after that terrific start. [U][B]Those boneheaded plays are just inexcusable for someone in the starting unit[/B][/U].
When Kobe comes back, start Wesley Johnson at the 3, or make a trade and bring back Ariza at the 3.[/QUOTE]
Huh, Meeks has committed 4 turnvers in the last 5 games, too much for you?
Meeks for the season is averaging 44% from the 3pt line, 49% overall, 13 pts/game.
Danny Green is ave 42 % from 3pt line, 43% overall and 8pts/game.
Reddick is ave 36% from 3pt line,
Yes, he is not a great defender but he is trying. No, he is not a great ball handler/passer etc but I think he is doing what is expected of him.
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Re: [Official Kobe Bryant Thread] Kobe as a Small Forward
Let Kobe roam the wings like a free safety...mamba on the prowl:rockon: .
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Win Loss record without Kobe?
Not sure if this is accurate but wikiAnswers says
Answer:
Without Kobe, the Lakers are 43-21 (including 0-1 in playoffs), as of Feb 1, 2012.
That includes a game where he played only 1 minute, as well as a game he played 6 minutes (going 1 for 2, scoring 2 pts total.
Can anybody validate? thanks
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Kobe - the tanking mastermind
I finally get it. Kobe is with me on the "we need to tank this year" bandwagon. So he signs 2 extra years and comes back early to captain the ship to a worse record because otherwise there is no chance to win another title for him. Now i am finally calm and sure the Lakers will not make the playoffs and tank hard.
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Re: [Official Kobe Bryant Thread] Kobe's Return
The best thing that happened since Kobe's return that I've seen is it keeps Pau mostly in the paint. Notice how Kobe's been looking and dishing off to Pau yes I'm all for that coz it puts Pau back where he belongs Lakers again can work inside out ala championship years.
Furthermore Kobe's like a coach on the floor coz if Pau slacks off Kobe gets in his face:mad: and judging by his play Pau's game has noticeably improved less perimeter attempts and more attempts in the paint. Lakers restoring their 1 2 punch and with swaggy P:pimp: as their 3rd go to guy we have a chance to make some noise!:rockon:
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Re: Win Loss record without Kobe?
[QUOTE=tamaraw08]Not sure if this is accurate but wikiAnswers says
Answer:
Without Kobe, the Lakers are 43-21 (including 0-1 in playoffs), as of Feb 1, 2012.
That includes a game where he played only 1 minute, as well as a game he played 6 minutes (going 1 for 2, scoring 2 pts total.
Can anybody validate? thanks[/QUOTE]
This all is BS what counts is the 5 chips with kobe
End of thread... Now everbody go to sleep
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Re: Win Loss record without Kobe?
[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]This all is BS what counts is the 5 chips with kobe
End of thread... Now everbody go to sleep[/QUOTE]
LMFAO.....I swear I was just going to post this:
:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping
Obviously I agree with you completely :cheers:
I always tell Tam to stop looking at stats :facepalm and watch the actual game!
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Re: [Official Kobe Bryant Thread] Kobe's Return
But then why have a coach? because now they play no where near what MDA wants. the only thing he does is giving stupid interviews.
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[QUOTE=L.A. Jazz]But then why have a coach? because now they play no where near what MDA wants. the only thing he does is giving stupid interviews.[/QUOTE]
"But uuuuhhhmm, (insert bullshit here).... but uuuuhhhmmm"
Thats all I hear.
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[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]"But uuuuhhhmm, (insert bullshit here).... but uuuuhhhmmm"
Thats all I hear.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what guys who know basketball hear when he talks......But when Jimmy Buss listens he is all "Wow, wow, wow.....he's so brilliant and amazing!!!"
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :rant
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Re: Win Loss record without Kobe?
[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]This all is BS what counts is the 5 chips with kobe
End of thread... Now everbody go to sleep[/QUOTE]
OMG, sorry for hitting a nerve "Kobe-[U]FAN[/U]":rolleyes:
I was just asking to validate the answer.
Chicago won atleast 55 games when MJ left the first time. Does that mean he is not a great player?:confusedshrug:
Well ofcourse Lakers wouldn't have won 5 rings without Kobe. I felt the year 2001, Kobe should have won the MVP esp when he almost single-handedly dominated the Spurs in San Antonio.:bowdown: The problem was when they to the finals, Shaq would dominate the weaker centers of the East, hence, he wins the finals MVPs. :pimp:
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[QUOTE=tamaraw08]OMG, sorry for hitting a nerve "Kobe-[U]FAN[/U]":rolleyes:
I was just asking to validate the answer.
Chicago won atleast 55 games when MJ left the first time. Does that mean he is not a great player?:confusedshrug:
Well ofcourse Lakers wouldn't have won 5 rings without Kobe. I felt the year 2001, Kobe should have won the MVP esp when he almost single-handedly dominated the Spurs in San Antonio.:bowdown: The problem was when they to the finals, Shaq would dominate the weaker centers of the East, hence, he wins the finals MVPs. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
I think it's an interesting thing to ask or discuss, the Bulls that year led by Scottie Pippen (who I believe led them in most major statistical categories that year) just showed that the team was deeper than simply one great player (and that Pippen's importance as part of the team in history has been majorly undervalued to the point it makes me almost sad) and it just shows that not one player wins championships, I consider it to rate a player based on titles, it's the most important thing in sports but you win them as a team in the NBA never as just one player, the most common example I've noticed with no help is my favourite player Akeem/Hakeem but he had for one title Clyde the Glyde. Teams may play better at times without a ball dominant player but it certainly limits how far you go in the end, kind of a bit like how when Kobe was injured this year not playing, players moved the ball more looked good to start, the role players like Meeks stepped up, but then when the role players who stepped up went cold then you kind of want the ball dominant star player back because in the end it limits you for anything more than a short period of time :D
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[QUOTE=Lakers91]I think it's an interesting thing to ask or discuss, the Bulls that year led by Scottie Pippen (who I believe led them in most major statistical categories that year) just showed that the team was deeper than simply one great player (and that Pippen's importance as part of the team in history has been majorly undervalued to the point it makes me almost sad) and it just shows that not one player wins championships, I consider it to rate a player based on titles, it's the most important thing in sports but you win them as a team in the NBA never as just one player, the most common example I've noticed with no help is my favourite player Akeem/Hakeem but he had for one title Clyde the Glyde. Teams may play better at times without a ball dominant player but it certainly limits how far you go in the end, kind of a bit like how when Kobe was injured this year not playing, players moved the ball more looked good to start, the role players like Meeks stepped up, but then when the role players who stepped up went cold then you kind of want the ball dominant star player back because in the end it limits you for anything more than a short period of time :D[/QUOTE]
:cheers: ......and Great that you are posting more!!!
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Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
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@Lakers: Kobe Bryant has a fracture of the lateral tibial plateau in his left knee. He is expected to miss 6 weeks
the contract extensions sounds right now :)
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Link: [/B][url]http://www.lakersnation.com/breaking-news-kobe-bryant-set-to-miss-six-weeks-with-knee-injury/2013/12/19/[/url]
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Re: Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
Yeah, saw him went down last night. Took him about 5 minutes to shake it off. Damn, didn't know it was that bad. Get well soon, Kobe!
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Re: Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
[QUOTE=$LakerGold]Yeah, saw him went down last night. Took him about 5 minutes to shake it off. Damn, didn't know it was that bad. Get well soon, Kobe![/QUOTE]
tank time
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Re: Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]tank time[/QUOTE]
Around the late 10's? But, I really think that we'll make it to at least 8th or 10th seed.
1st 14 of the 15 draft picks belongs to the East. haha
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Re: Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
Just think Kobe played the last 6 minutes in the 4th with a fracture but the good news is that he won't be needing a surgery. At least Kobe will be back sooner unlike D Rose who'll be out for the season again hurry back Kobe the Lakers need u.
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Re: Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
Hopefully Kobe doesn't catch the injury bug for the end of his career. It's tough seeing him like this. It's better for the Lakers though. They really need a lottery pick this season. Kobe being out more helps that.
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Re: Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
honestly i would blow up as much as we can
Hill for 1st round pick
Blake for the same
Pau for 1st rounder + rookie contract like Waiters
blow it up...& Rebuild while kobe sells tickets next 2 years
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Re: Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
Dammit :( , one of the more annoying and frustrating things with an achilles injury and tear is the effect it can have on other parts of the leg, although this could be totally unrelated from experience I can say when your achilles is torn it certainly makes surrounding parts like the calves and potentially hamstrings weaker, it affects a lot more than just the initial injury itself. I hope this is just an unrelated injury and he comes back with no more injury problems.
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Re: Win Loss record without Kobe?
[QUOTE=DKLaker]:cheers: ......and Great that you are posting more!!![/QUOTE]
What can I say first university year is over so filling in time during the holidays haha :oldlol:
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Re: Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
[QUOTE=Lakers91]Dammit :( , one of the more annoying and frustrating things with an achilles injury and tear is the effect it can have on other parts of the leg, although this could be totally unrelated from experience I can say when your achilles is torn it certainly makes surrounding parts like the calves and potentially hamstrings weaker, it affects a lot more than just the initial injury itself. I hope this is just an unrelated injury and he comes back with no more injury problems.[/QUOTE]
Dr. on the radio this afternoon said it's not related.. Common injury that occurs when you hyper extend a knee from contact or when while your foot is planted and doesn't slide.. Not a time thing or out of shape thing or age thing... just one of those thing that happen...
also said it's not a bad injury for a knee most of the time no surgery is needed, there's no ligaments involved, only in extremely aged people is it a problem and usually the problems result because of other health problems... just a few weeks of healing
he said they used to call it "bumper knee" because the most common place you see it happen is when people would bang into something at the right height (like a car bumper) bang into it and hyper extend the knee...
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Re: Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
[QUOTE=gts]Dr. on the radio this afternoon said it's not related.. Common injury that occurs when you hyper extend a knee from contact or when while your foot is planted and doesn't slide.. Not a time thing or out of shape thing or age thing... just one of those thing that happen...
also said it's not a bad injury for a knee most of the time no surgery is needed, there's no ligaments involved, only in extremely aged people is it a problem and usually the problems result because of other health problems... just a few weeks of healing
he said they used to call it "bumper knee" because the most common place you see it happen is when people would bang into something at the right height (like a car bumper) bang into it and hyper extend the knee...[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the quick reply, interesting, good news then that it isn't related, was afraid there might be ligaments or something involved, with that information probably no major repercussions once he recovers given he's a professional athlete haha
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Re: Laker News: Kobe Bryant has fracture in his left knee. Out 6 weeks
[QUOTE=Lakers91]Thank you for the quick reply, interesting, good news then that it isn't related, was afraid there might be ligaments or something involved, with that information probably no major repercussions once he recovers given he's a professional athlete haha[/QUOTE]
Np
[I]and yet here was Kobe Bryant on Thursday afternoon making clear his belief on those who'd dare doubt his resolve again. "Only an idiot would," Bryant told Yahoo Sports.
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[QUOTE=gts]Np
[I]and yet here was Kobe Bryant on Thursday afternoon making clear his belief on those who'd dare doubt his resolve again. "Only an idiot would," Bryant told Yahoo Sports.
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I certainly wouldn't doubt his resolve...just maybe the human physical ability to match his mental will/determination haha
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Re: Win Loss record without Kobe?
[QUOTE=Lakers91]I think it's an interesting thing to ask or discuss, the Bulls that year led by Scottie Pippen (who I believe led them in most major statistical categories that year) just showed that the team was deeper than simply one great player (and that Pippen's importance as part of the team in history has been majorly undervalued to the point it makes me almost sad) and it just shows that not one player wins championships, I consider it to rate a player based on titles, it's the most important thing in sports but you win them as a team in the NBA never as just one player, the most common example I've noticed with no help is my favourite player Akeem/Hakeem but he had for one title Clyde the Glyde. Teams may play better at times without a ball dominant player but it certainly limits how far you go in the end, kind of a bit like how when Kobe was injured this year not playing, players moved the ball more looked good to start, the role players like Meeks stepped up, but then when the role players who stepped up went cold then you kind of want the ball dominant star player back because in the end it limits you for anything more than a short period of time :D[/QUOTE]
I agree with DK, really good post.
I was impressed with the Pistons who won in 2004(?) The team was so balanced that there was not clear cut main guy....ok Billups..maybe but the defense of Prince and the offense of Wallace was very hard to ignore.
When Dallas won it all, Dirk couldn't have done it by himself without Kidd getting hot too.
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Re: Win Loss record without Kobe?
[QUOTE=tamaraw08]I agree with DK, really good post.
I was impressed with the Pistons who won in 2004(?) The team was so balanced that there was not clear cut main guy....ok Billups..maybe but the defense of Prince and the offense of Wallace was very hard to ignore.
When Dallas won it all, Dirk couldn't have done it by himself without Kidd getting hot too.[/QUOTE]
I still find the Pistons of 04-05 extremely impressive, offensively yeah Billups was the leader but when you look at it over a season Billups averaged 17 or 18, it truly was a combined overall effort, some great defense and they all got hot at the right time I suppose but saying that kind of undervalued how balanced and well put that team was (maybe could have been a dynasty had they had drafted someone instead of Darko haha), Prince's defense in his prime was extremely good last year he was still a decent defender (well with age no one stays a good defender for too long but decent for his age), there was no one who was I suppose terrible on the defensive end for the Pistons (or those that were, were covered quite well by the defensive schemes and rotations). Helped having a great defensive anchor in Ben Wallace haha, was just a very well put together team. I think the Mavericks vs the Heat it was kind of underrated how good their team defense was, I mean when you looked at the team it was kind of similar to the Pistons, those that were average defensively (Dirk) played decent defense and the rotations made up for it, they made LeBron a jump shooter, Marion great defense and spot up shooting, Kidd the older statesman floor general and Chandler the defensive anchor, it was quite similar except Dirk was clearly the best player on the team and offensively was amazing even for Dirk but he couldn't have won without the team having great defense and heating up either. You win as a team although you get a ring each that championship at the end of the day does not say on that banner "NBA Champion 2002: Shaq" or "2009 NBA champion Kobe" it says Champions the Lakers, you may have a star player and that's great but you win as a team and the importance of role players is often underrated. I'm sad the Kings team never won a title (even if the Lakers kind of got one at their expense haha) that team was quite even, Stojakovic, Bibby, Divac, Webber and maybe Turkoglu think he was there at the time as well but wasn't that good just remember him haha, was a well rounded team that could have went close to winning it all.