Lakers News: Cavs Refuse To Include Dion Waiters In Possible Trade

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[B]Cavs Refuse To Include Dion Waiters In Possible Trade[/B]

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As Lakers push for assets in Gasol-Bynum discussions, Cavs have refused to include Dion Waiters in talks, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA
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Cavs understand Gasol could simply be half-season rental. Lakers want value in return -- not just financial savings. There's a gap to close.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Rookie [B]Sergey Karasev[/B] was mentioned as a possible players coming back to LA in the deal, but it’s clear the Cavaliers aren’t giving up on Waiters just yet. The 22-year-old second-year player from Syracuse reportedly requested a trade out of Cleveland, but just three games out of a playoff spot, they can use his scoring.[/QUOTE]



Link 1: [url]http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-lakers-not-looking-to-re-sign-pau-gasol/2013/12/31/[/url]
Link 2: [url]http://www.lakersnation.com/are-the-lakers-and-cavaliers-are-discussing-a-gasol-for-bynum-swap/2013/12/31/[/url]

[QUOTE]The end of Pau Gasol’s time with the Los Angeles Lakers may be drawing near. Apparently, the four-time All-Star is starting to rub people in the Lakers organization the wrong way. Gasol recently sitting out multiple games due to an upper respiratory infection has turned a lot of heads with many believing the writing is already on the wall in Los Angeles in terms of Gasol’s future with the team.

The Los Angeles Lakers and Cleveland Cavaliers have had discussions about a trade that would involve Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, league sources told ESPN.com.[/QUOTE]

:roll: :applause: :facepalm


I don't care what their reasons are for, do it the right way!!!

I actually like the idea. Gasol is non-existent anyway. If Bynum could be motivated by Kobe again it's worth a chance. Otherwise it's trading one non-existent guy for another but the one the Lakers get saves them a ton of money.

[QUOTE]Depending on how the deal is structured, it could save the Lakers millions in salary and luxury tax this season and nudge them under the tax threshold -- which would save them from the dreaded repeater tax next season. Rival executives are dubious that the orbital patterns of the cosmos have changed so dramatically that the Lakers would simply fold their hand and give up. "It stinks to me," one such executive said Tuesday. CBSSports.com [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=dd24]I actually like the idea. Gasol is non-existent anyway. If Bynum could be motivated by Kobe again it's worth a chance. Otherwise it's trading one non-existent guy for another but the one the Lakers get saves them a ton of money.[/QUOTE]

I love the idea...Gasol is done...atleast on the the LAL side. we need to pick up young assets in waiters + draft pick...

Waive bynum and save 20mil in lux taxes.

even with Bynum the lakers are not winning anything. just tank and get high draft pick

young assets:
waiters
our pick
cavs pick

I don't particular care for Bynum as a player anymore. He's basically Chris Kaman 2.0 with a bad attitude.

I do like his expiring contract and would make a deal involving Steve Nash and Bynum just so the Lakers could save 3 mill next season by not having to take on Nash's contract. I wouldn't expect Bynum to be resigned.

Gasol is still the best big the Lakers can get this summer so I don't know think it's a good idea to trade him.

There's no way Cleveland takes on Nash's contract too. They'd have to gut their team in order to take on both of those contracts. As it stands they have to already put in other assets to make the deal because Pau makes so much more than Bynum. I would also highly doubt they give up this years draft pick. I'm fine with that. The Lakers are so depleted of picks in the upcoming years I'll take a future one. Waiters is streaky but there's still a lot of potential there and I know they want to unload him so I wouldn't mind taking him back as one of the other pieces. That just leaves LA with so many guards though, lol.

All these Gasol trade talks and now talks of bringing back BYNUM?? Damn, he is a spoiled immature brat that cares more about his cars, xbox, and making it rain in strip clubs (I doubt he even knows how to deal with the ladies) than anything else. Unbelievable..

Every time I hear about new Gasol trade rumors/talks, it makes me scream in my head "WE HAD CHRIS PAUL!" David Stern has to explain why he nixed that Gasol/Odom for CP3 deal after he retires from the NBA. Seriously, we would have been in great position right now if that trade had gone through 2yrs ago. Imagine a CP3/KB24/Howard superstar trio with Artest in there - wow, defensive juggernaut lineup last year. Howard would have stayed too thanks to CP3.

Since that trade didn't go through, Lakers now have to go into rebuild desperation mode to start all over. Gasol is not part of that most likely - Kobe has nobody to pass the torch right now. Melo is not a winning option like I used to think. Lebron is not coming to LA. No other star FAs this summer. Love is not guaranteed to come to LA next summer.

Yup, the Chris Paul trade that ruined one LA franchise and made the other a contender (kind of)....

[QUOTE=bladefd]All these Gasol trade talks and now talks of bringing back BYNUM?? Damn, he is a spoiled immature brat that cares more about his cars, xbox, and making it rain in strip clubs (I doubt he even knows how to deal with the ladies) than anything else. Unbelievable..

Every time I hear about new Gasol trade rumors/talks, it makes me scream in my head "WE HAD CHRIS PAUL!" David Stern has to explain why he nixed that Gasol/Odom for CP3 deal after he retires from the NBA. Seriously, we would have been in great position right now if that trade had gone through 2yrs ago. Imagine a CP3/KB24/Howard superstar trio with Artest in there - wow, defensive juggernaut lineup last year. Howard would have stayed too thanks to CP3.

Since that trade didn't go through, Lakers now have to go into rebuild desperation mode to start all over. Gasol is not part of that most likely - Kobe has nobody to pass the torch right now. Melo is not a winning option like I used to think. Lebron is not coming to LA. No other star FAs this summer. Love is not guaranteed to come to LA next summer.[/QUOTE]

lol we wont be trading for BYNUM THE PLAYER.....its to waive his ass off immediately, save 20+mil dollars & getting young assets/1st round picks in return

Bump.

Supposedly this deal will be done today........supposedly.
I hope Jimmy has the brains to waive Bynum, not hold onto his pet project again.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Supposedly this deal will be done today........supposedly.
I hope Jimmy has the brains to waive Bynum, not hold onto his pet project again.[/QUOTE]

Joe Kotoch: Bynum-Gasol update: Doesn't sound like a deal will be done tonight. Cavs likely to cut Bynum by tomorrow. Lakers holding steady w/ demand. Twitter

I don't know why the cavs are so stubborn on this deal.

Pau Gasol has proven that at this stage in his career, he can provide good numbers, as he has done so for the lakers after figuring out that he can roll to the basket rather than pick n pop all day lol.

I think this is Dan "Hitler" Gilbert flexing, what he would think to be, his muscles. He does not want the lakers to benefit in anyway, even if it means losing a big man like Bynum for an even better big man in Gasol. He doesn't want to give up Waiters, who at this point in his young career, is a decent role player next to Irving. Just remember how he made sure a couple of seasons ago that Chris Paul would not end up a laker. What makes you guys think he'll want to help the lakers after all of that?

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]I don't know why the cavs are so stubborn on this deal.

Pau Gasol has proven that at this stage in his career, he can provide good numbers, as he has done so for the lakers after figuring out that he can roll to the basket rather than pick n pop all day lol.

I think this is Dan "Hitler" Gilbert flexing, what he would think to be, his muscles. He does not want the lakers to benefit in anyway, even if it means losing a big man like Bynum for an even better big man in Gasol. He doesn't want to give up Waiters, who at this point in his young career, is a decent role player next to Irving. Just remember how he made sure a couple of seasons ago that Chris Paul would not end up a laker. What makes you guys think he'll want to help the lakers after all of that?[/QUOTE]

I agree with Dan Gilbert, we know that Pau will not re-sign with Cleveland, and the deal benefits the Lakers enough by dumping Pau's now bloated salary.
It seems like a square deal straight up.

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]I don't know why the cavs are so stubborn on this deal.

Pau Gasol has proven that at this stage in his career, he can provide good numbers, as he has done so for the lakers after figuring out that he can roll to the basket rather than pick n pop all day lol.

I think this is Dan "Hitler" Gilbert flexing, what he would think to be, his muscles. He does not want the lakers to benefit in anyway, even if it means losing a big man like Bynum for an even better big man in Gasol. He doesn't want to give up Waiters, who at this point in his young career, is a decent role player next to Irving. Just remember how he made sure a couple of seasons ago that Chris Paul would not end up a laker. What makes you guys think he'll want to help the lakers after all of that?[/QUOTE]

lakers are only the arrogant team in the NBA who would give somebody for a player in their last yr

we gave up bynum for Howard knowing that howard can walk away....

Franchise like Cavs cant do that...small market team plus its their 4th pick...

Pau is going to bolt them in the summer to go play with his brother anyways..or to some other contender

if the tables were turned would you give up Waiters for a 33 year old 4/5 on the last year of his deal? If I'm a piece away from a title run maybe, but would you classify the Cavs as one piece away? hell naw

Aint no one going to get fleeced by the Lakers any more. It's a sad fact of the times boys

[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]if the tables were turned would you give up Waiters for a 33 year old 4/5 on the last year of his deal? If I'm a piece away from a title run maybe, but would you classify the Cavs as one piece away? hell naw

Aint no one going to get fleeced by the Lakers any more. It's a sad fact of the times boys[/QUOTE]

Nope, I don't blame the Cavs for not making the deal or a deal like that, unless Gasol was playing like he was 3 years ago and it was that Gasol, I'm not going to give up Waiters (despite rumours circulation of problems with Kyrie whether true or not), for what could be just a half year rental unless they were desperate and thought they could win a title this year so they want that last piece to get them over the line but they aren't to a degree they are a rebuilding team, that and they need a better coach, I do like the Cavs team moving forward but they would be idiots to make the deal, but financially they'd have to add in more than just Gasol for Bynum to work anyway, I don't think any deal between them will got through as I don't see either budging, the Lakers will want more assets and or something that fits in with their plan, Waiters certainly would fit in but the Cavs are not one piece away from a title unless they somehow manage to get LeBron back but I don't exactly think that's happening. Maybe if the Cavs were just looking for a half year rental and a large contract to expire but there is no way they would want an expiring contract for what they'd have to get up, Bynum straight up for Gasol would be a slight win for Cleveland but wouldn't be that bad for LA because they could cut salary but to me just cutting salary isn't that good of a move so LA would want more than just salary space or to waive Bynum's contract and I don't think Cleveland has much more they'd want or be willing to give up. Overall I don't think a deal will be made very unlikely anyway, LA will want more and Cleveland won't give up anymore.

Never know I certainly wouldn't say no one or never, the Gasol trade in hindsight doesn't look too bad now at the time it looked dreadful, now not so much, although the Lakers still won it due to 2 titles Memphis in the end didn't make out too badly with Marc. The front office did only pull off the Dwight Howard trade a year and a half ago which at the time also looked good (ironic now the Magic look like the only real winners of that trade long term anyway). Is it probable they repeat any of their blockbuster massive trades like the past nah probably not but not impossible or at least I wouldn't rule it out, I live in hope :roll:

[QUOTE=Lakers91]Never know I certainly wouldn't say no one or never, the Gasol trade in hindsight doesn't look too bad now at the time it looked dreadful, now not so much, although the Lakers still won it due to 2 titles Memphis in the end didn't make out too badly with Marc. The front office did only pull off the Dwight Howard trade a year and a half ago which at the time also looked good (ironic now the Magic look like the only real winners of that trade long term anyway). [B]Is it probable they repeat any of their blockbuster massive trades like the past nah probably not but not impossible or at least I wouldn't rule it out[/B], I live in hope :roll:[/QUOTE]

That's for sure. I got my fingers crossed. I believe the front office has earned the right to be given the benefit of the doubt at this point even if I'm cynical. The fall from NBA royalty was harsh.

Seems like the Cavs got a good deal in Lu anyway. Good on them. I love that guy and Mike Brown is going to love him too.

Bulls just smacked the Cavs GM. for a 3 month rental who want to be paid 15/16mil/yr they game up

Bynum
2 2014 2nd rounders
1st from Sacramento top 10 protected
2015 1st round swap - guess Rose coming back helps + cavs will be cavs lol

they didnt offer a single 1st roudner for Gasol...that tells the story

We're talking about blockbuster trades? Okay.

Kevin Love? No, thanks. The stat-padding won't last very long.

Okay, so now that's out of the way, I wanna say that my wish list changes all the f* time, so here's another one.

My wish list:
Deron Williams
Robin Lopez
Glen Davis
Trevor Ariza
Ron Artest

1 - Deron Williams|???
2 - Kobe | Nick Young Or Xavier?
3 - Trevor Ariza | Ron Artest
4 - Pau Gasol | Glen Davis
5 - Robin Lopez | Jordan Hill Or ????


At this point, I'm pretty sure Ron will take a huge paycut to play for the Lakers again if the roster was setup like this. It's up to the FO of how they would sign these guys. Why would they want to come to LA? It's the Lakers, baby.

I'm a huge fan of 'balance', huge, huge fan. I think that you'll need a little bit of everything to win it. I think you'll need a little bit of height, a little bit of quickness, a little bit of athleticism & skill. You'd have to have a team like the big 3 to have an unbalanced team & be successful at the same time.

Robin Lopez & Jordan Hill at 5 :O. If Gasol can just stop taking those post fadeaway shots, then I think we'll be good. I think he needs to realize that he needs to stop taking those just because he doesn't have it anymore, I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible to make those shots, I'm just saying that it shows on paper that he's just not really making it anymore. 85% of his FG comes from that, & only 20% of it goes down, I swear.

Why Trevor & Artest? Haha good luck figuring that out.

Why Xavier or Nick Young? Scorers. Shannon Brown was backing up Kobe for 3 years for f* sake. I'd rather have Nick Young than Xavier, though. If someone finds a way to get him [Young] play the point smoothly? I would glad to have Xavier & Young play together in this roster. The only thing Nick Young needs to stop is his half spin step back jumper, he seriously needs to cut that out. haha. Unless the Lakers are winning by a blowout, then I'm pretty sure Kobe won't torture him in his sleep.

Why Big Baby? ENERGYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! He can be a legit stretch 4. Very undersized, but I think he'll be a great fit for the Lakers in this roster.

DK & Lakers91, come at me. lol :D

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]Bulls just smacked the Cavs GM. for a 3 month rental who want to be paid 15/16mil/yr they game up

Bynum
2 2014 2nd rounders
1st from Sacramento top 10 protected
2015 1st round swap - guess Rose coming back helps + [B]cavs will be cavs[/B] lol

they didnt offer a single 1st roudner for Gasol...that tells the story[/QUOTE]

:lol

I do think the Cavs gave up a little bit more than I expected. But this is a 28 year old who will plug a major hole in their starting 5, who by all accounts is having a career year (less the injuries)

The first rounder was kind of a lot. But they aint getting that this year. Sac is going to suck the balance of the way. The 2 second rounders are Portlands, i.e. will be late in the second round.

I do think this is a little to do with "**** the Lakers" mantra that is going around the league. Danny Gilbert was one of the guys crying about the Lakers during the "bball reasons" and that billion dollar cable deal probably didn't sit too well because the Lakers aint sharing that loot, nor should they imo

But I do have a huge bball crush on Deng, so my opinion is skewed for sure

[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]:lol

I do think the Cavs gave up a little bit more than I expected. But this is a 28 year old who will plug a major hole in their starting 5, who by all accounts is having a career year (less the injuries)

The first rounder was kind of a lot. But they aint getting that this year. Sac is going to suck the balance of the way. The 2 second rounders are Portlands, i.e. will be late in the second round.

I do think this is a little to do with "**** the Lakers" mantra that is going around the league. Danny Gilbert was one of the guys crying about the Lakers during the "bball reasons" and that billion dollar cable deal probably didn't sit too well because the Lakers aint sharing that loot, nor should they imo

But I do have a huge bball crush on Deng, so my opinion is skewed for sure[/QUOTE]

They might have given up a bit much for Deng but I don't think it's a bad trade, I rate Deng rather highly just the one problem I have is he can disappear against the elite teams although maybe not so much stats wise just especially when he is against LeBron he can tend to look outmatched but he can at times defend him well, he's a good defender and decent offensive option they need a better coach now in my opinion, I really don't think unless you have LeBron Brown isn't taking any team really anywhere especially when he's based his team entirely around Kyrie like parting of the sea when Kyrie has the ball at times. It's a big hole indeed I agree they had to fill in at small forward, partly why I thought it could be logical in case LeBron came back would fill in quite well but Deng now does.

In terms of the league being anti Lakers, I think it's just the wheels of time moving forward, eventually teams hate the successful ones and especially if teams at times pull the wool over others eyes in trades type thing in the past or being a free agent destination small markets are far less likely to help in any way in my opinion, but it's not impossible for more big trades you cannot predict the future any team might want to rebuild have a star they want to trade who's annoyed for a total rebuild type thing etc, who knows, but it's the paranoid 21st century so naturally in sports in trades teams are more paranoid too haha. I don't like Gilbert much :roll: