The Matrix is the greatest movie ever made.

1. Watch it 100x and understand the writing and script.

2. It is derived from Kant's idea (greatest mind of all time) and currently supported by the highest Science known to mankind (Quantum Physics).

[B]3. It is hands down the greatest intellectual depth you will ever reach in your lifetime.[/B]

4. The philosophies behind it is the best knowledge we know as an advance human intelligence. It will take the rest of the population another 100 years to accept it as an objective view of reality.

5. It is a fictional account of our perception of reality, so although it represents the unknown reality as a machine world, the truth is we do not know and cannot possibly know what reality truely is (if there is one).

6. This means you will have to disregard everything you will ever learn in your education and accept another aspect of truth; start now and reach a higher level of consciousness (maybe you and I can finally be on the same level of thinking).

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]1. Watch it 100x and understand the writing and script.

2. It is derived from Kant's idea (greatest mind of all time) and currently supported by the highest Science known to mankind (Quantum Physics).

[B]3. It is hands down the greatest intellectual depth you will ever reach in your lifetime.[/B]

4. The philosophies behind it is the best knowledge we know as an advance human intelligence.

5. It is a fictional account of our perception of reality, so although it represents the unknown reality as a machine world, the truth is we do not know and cannot possibly know what reality truely is (if there is one).[/QUOTE]
my god, bro... you need to read more books.

(like, a lot a lot more books)

So OP just back from watching Matrix the first time, and now he's wondering...what if we're actually living in the Matrix? Damn son, you should make a Youtube video about this, gonna blow people's minds :eek:

What the hell is this, 1999?

[QUOTE=moe94]:biggums:[/QUOTE]

It has kantian physics to back it up (a theory) and the best evidence to back it up (Quantum Physics).

Your failure of understanding is simply your lack of intellect. Start doing your homework now. It took me 10 years of hardcore thinking to fully accept it as truth. You have a lot of work to do.

[QUOTE=dr.hee]So OP just back from watching Matrix the first time, and now he's wondering...what if we're actually living in the Matrix :eek:
Damn son, you should make a Youtube video about this, gonna blow people's minds...

What the hell is this, 1999?[/QUOTE]

Nope.

I've studied Kant for 10 years now; studied Quantum Physics for another 5 years. I know what the f*ck I'm talking about.

I challenge each and everyone of you to argue the premise it lays forth; do your homework before you respond. Thanks.

[QUOTE=moe94]I was also 10 once.[/QUOTE]

Argue the premise troll. That's right, too stupid to. As expected.

[QUOTE]It is derived from Kant's idea (greatest mind of all time) and currently supported by the highest Science known to mankind (Quantum Physics).[/QUOTE]

How is it "derived from Kant's idea"?

And more importantly, how in the f*cking hell is that movie "supported" by Quantum Physics?

Damn :roll:

And Matrix isn't even the first movie using the idea of a simulated shared reality. OP can be impressed quite easily, lol.

[QUOTE=dr.hee]How is it "derived from Kant's idea"?

And more importantly, how in the f*cking hell is that movie "supported" by Quantum Physics?

Damn :roll:[/QUOTE]

You don't know a lick of Kant, and the movie is based on Planck's ideas of the Quantum world. I'm challenging your mind and asking you to do your homework. [B]This will be the most intellectual discussion you will ever have if you take it seriously.[/B]

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Kant ain't shit

[QUOTE=Nick Young][IMG]http://www.careerrocketeer.com/wp-content/uploads/Good-Bad-Ugly.jpg[/IMG]

Kant ain't shit[/QUOTE]

It took Science over 100 years to catch up with him and Einstein pretty much plagiarized his ideas of space and time. You have to be really f*ckin smart to understand Kant. Obviously you are not.

i only know kant from the pantheon of influential names.


what advice would you say he has for the modern wrold, rambo?

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]It took Science over 100 years to catch up with him and Einstein pretty much plagiarized his ideas of space and time. You have to be really f*ckin smart to understand Kant. Obviously you are not.[/QUOTE]
Dawg it took science 3,000 years to catch up to the bible and realize that the universe started with a big bang, scientists ain't shit, just like Kant who is Spinoza's bit[U]c[/U]h.

There's a reason Kant is known as Kant-Stand-Ya to the educated scholar.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]You don't know a lick of Kant, and the movie is based on Planck's ideas of the Quantum world. I'm challenging your mind and asking you to do your homework. [B]This will be the most intellectual discussion you will ever have if you take it seriously.[/B][/QUOTE]

Since you're apparently an expert on Kant, why don't you explain to a dumbass like me how he's related to a 1999 hollywood blockbuster called "Matrix"?

The same for quantum mechanics...why would someone even need any of that to interpret this movie? I'm just an uneducated fool...so I'd appreciate an explanation how it's relevant at all...

[QUOTE=dr.hee]Since you're apparently an expert on Kant, why don't you explain to a dumbass like me how he's related to a 1999 hollywood blockbuster called "Matrix"?

The same for quantum mechanics...why would someone even need any of that to interpret this movie? I'm just an uneducated fool...so I'd appreciate an explanation how it's relevant at all...[/QUOTE]

I'm going to make it as simple as possible. I'm going to pretend I'm talking to a 10 year old.

1. Kant believe we have "instruments" that allow us to view this world. It is the 5 senses. It is the mind that constructs this reality. The core of our reality is made up of light, energy, vibrations, etc. The mind takes the light to create vision, vibration to create sound, etc. [B]It is our mind that creates reality and not the other way around.[/B]

2. Planck (a much smarter scientist than Einstein) ran a few experiments that pretty much prove waves (electrical charges) don't actually become matter unless if someone looks at it. He concluded that matter does not exist and our observation of the world is what creates it, hence the creation of Quantum Physics [B](greatest science of all time).[/B]

[QUOTE=gigantes]my god, bro... you need to read more books.

(like, a lot a lot more books)[/QUOTE]

What books are you talking about that is greater than Kant's Critique of Pure reason?

I really would like a response to this.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Dawg it took science 3,000 years to catch up to the bible and realize that the universe started with a big bang, scientists ain't shit, just like Kant who is Spinoza's bit[U]c[/U]h.

There's a reason Kant is known as Kant-Stand-Ya to the educated scholar.[/QUOTE]

Trust me. You aint educated.

Kant > Spinoza

It's cute you actually can reference him, but I doubt you even read him. Kant is a genius pure and simple; the fact Quantum Theorists have to reread what he wrote 200 years ago proves beyond a shadow of doubt he knows what the f*ck he's talking about.

Like I said, Kant's ideas are so far ahead of it's time it'll take another 100 years before you peons can accept it as truth.

Lebron reminds me of neo because he is the one. Especially toward the end when it looked like he died. That was like lebron in game 5 of the 2012 ECF. Then game 6 was like neo jumping into the agent and killing him. :rockon:

[QUOTE=JebronLames]Lebron reminds me of neo because he is the one. Especially toward the end when it looked like he died. That was like lebron in game 5 of the 2012 ECF. Then game 6 was like neo jumping into the agent and killing him. :rockon:[/QUOTE]

Lebron is the neo of basketball: he's creating his reality; what these trolls don't realize is if reality is a perception, you have the power to change it through your imagination.

There is this motivational docu called the secret. The reason why it does not work for many people is because they still believe in some caveman Science that tells them their perception is real and they can't do a lick about it.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Lebron is the neo of basketball: he's creating his reality; what these trolls don't realize is if reality is a perception, you have the power to change it through your imagination.

There is this motivational docu called the secret. The reason why it does not work for many people is because they still believe in some caveman Science that tells them their perception is real and they can't do a lick about it.[/QUOTE]
My avatar is relevant to this absurd post.

[QUOTE=Budadiiii]My avatar is relevant to this absurd post.[/QUOTE]

The greats are creating their reality in basketball: Jordan said the game is 99% mental and 1% physical. What he meant by this is he's creating his game based on his imagination. That's how reality works:[B] it's a series of ideas.[/B] The idea there is a reality apart from this is elementary and absurd at best.
[B]
Newtonian physics is dead. Fact.[/B] It is sad 99% of ISH posters are still brainwashed by this ancient line of perception.

Studied the Matrix when I did Philosophy In high school. Good times. And a good movie.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]The greats are creating their reality in basketball: Jordan said the game is 99% mental and 1% physical. What he meant by this is he's creating his game based on his imagination. That's how reality works:[B] it's a series of ideas.[/B] The idea there is a reality apart from this is elementary and absurd at best.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, being black, 6'6, with a 48' vertical had 1% to do with it.

99% imagination.

I'm imagining that you're a f*ggot. Must be true.

[QUOTE=Budadiiii]Yeah, being black, 6'6, with a 48' vertical had 1% to do with it.

99% imagination.

I'm imagining that you're a f*ggot. Must be true.[/QUOTE]

STFU.

You don't understand Kant. Come back at me when you've done your homework. Thanks.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]What books are you talking about that is greater than Kant's Critique of Pure reason?

I really would like a response to this.[/QUOTE]
ah, no... i was responding to your hyperbole upon the matrix.

that is, i think i can speak for a certain audience in saying that when we first saw the matrix, we collectively rolled our eyes a bit. just about every little bit (and much more) had been covered by SF-authors the previous three decades or so.

kant and kant-scholerism is all very well and good, but IMO you've got to develop the inner kant (and others) should you decide to go anywhere. he can inspire you, he can vaguely point the way, but the godawful work still comes down to you doing the hard work of examining your own mind and making adjustments over time.

call it the inner universe forming a proactive collective with the outer universe.

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[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]STFU.

You don't understand Kant. Come back at me when you've done your homework. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Are you implying that LeBron and Jordan are able to shape their life with calculated decisions or actually practicing the law of attraction better than everyone else?

Seriously, what the hell are you trying to say? Bringing up genetic freaks up nature and the law of attraction and discrediting Newton and all of his observations is ****ing wacky.

Then again, you don't actually believe this shit and you're just trolling per usual. :facepalm

[QUOTE=moe94]lol

freaks OF nature[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? :facepalm

Just a mistake on my part. You don't think I know this? LOL.

[QUOTE=moe94]Calm down. I would hope you know. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Alrighty. Just kind OF strange you randomly pointed that out.

Changed the whole dynamic of the thread now. We derailed another one. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Budadiiii]Are you implying that LeBron and Jordan are able to shape their life with calculated decisions or actually practicing the law of attraction better than everyone else?

Seriously, what the hell are you trying to say? Bringing up genetic freaks up nature and the law of attraction and discrediting Newton and all of his observations is ****ing wacky.

Then again, you don't actually believe this shit and you're just trolling per usual. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

I know how slick you can be with your reasoning dumbsh*t, but guess what, I have one up on you: [B]the idea you still think Newton is relevant today shows how little you know about the best ideas today.[/B]

Like I said, come back at me when you've done your homework on Kant and Quantum Physics. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Budadiiii]Alrighty. Just kind OF strange you randomly pointed that out.

Changed the whole dynamic of the thread now. [B]We derailed another one. :facepalm[/B][/QUOTE]

Troll confirmation.

The forum should see these 2 alter egos as nothing more than that.

[QUOTE=moe94]I can understand a typo but up and of is a bit of a reach...

Freak up nature

Like the title of a shitty B movie

I think this is a legit diamond dozen moment.[/QUOTE]
If you were smart you would notice the sentece started with the words.. "Bringing [B]up[/B]" and then come to the conclusion that it was just a simple mistake that my mind made because of how similar of and up sound so I typed up again instead of.. well, of.

Sometimes I type too fast for my own good and make stupid ass mistakes.

Budadaii is nothing more than a troll trying to derail a thread when he's being challenged from an intellectual standpoint outright.

:lol

Go ahead and derail this thread loser. I've clearly revealed who you are.

Moe sounds like his little b*tch (or could it be his alt account?).

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]I know how slick you can be with your reasoning dumbsh*t, but guess what, I have one up on you: [B]the idea you still think Newton is relevant today shows how little you know about the best ideas today.[/B]

Like I said, come back at me when you've done your homework on Kant and Quantum Physics. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I'll bite.

Educate us Rambo. Tell us why Newton's laws of motion are no longer relevant today. I'm sure NASA would love to here it.

Give me the insight!

[QUOTE=Budadiiii]Ok, I'll bite.

Educate us Rambo. Tell us why Newton's laws of motion are no longer relevant today. I'm sure NASA would love to here it.

Give me the insight![/QUOTE]

Because Einstein's is better.

Let's end this argument here. I haven't even gotten to Kant or QP. Do your homework idiot before you respond.

[QUOTE=moe94]Yeah, those accidents are freaks up nature.[/QUOTE]
You're such a ****ing troll.

I even googled "Budadiiii freak of nature" because you're an annoying little pest.

Here: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287813[/url]

Troll confirmed. [B]Stop derailing the thread[/B].

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=gigantes]that is, i think i can speak for a certain audience in saying that when we first saw the matrix, we collectively rolled our eyes a bit. just about every little bit (and much more) had been covered by SF-authors the previous three decades or so.[/QUOTE]

This.

I like the Matrix as a movie, it's just that the concepts underlying the script are fairly non trivial and just not really that exciting. The whole "What if we're really in the Matrix?" thing was an easy and convenient way back in the day for pubescent boys to delude themselves into sounding profound and intelligent between playing Max Payne and looking at girls' asses in highschool class.

That being said...the whole simulation idea is pretty compelling to me. It's just that you don't need Wikipedia-level knowledge of Kant and quantum mechanics in order to argue for it. It's just common sense. The existence of dreams we aren't reliably able to distinguish from what we call "reality" is more than enough to make such arguments.

I mean basically...Matrix was simply the brain in a vat-idea applied to many humans in the context of a shared reality. You don't need philosophical ramblings and half-assed physics for that. Just the assumption that is shouldn't matter for our own perception of the world whether the input is coming through our sensory system or directly applied to the relevant brain areas themselves. So if it's indeed practically possible (no idea if we'll ever find out) to make the brain respond in the same way to artificially created input than it does to data our sensory system is gathering, a simulation isn't that strange of a thought.

An even better example for this than dreams are neurophysiological differences between auditory hallucinations and imagining a voice. In short...using neuroimaging, we can distinguish if someone is hearing a real voice or just imagining a conversation, because brain areas related to processing data coming in from the outside aren't active when imagining a sound. But we can't tell if someone is hallucinating a voice or hearing a real one only by looking at brain images, because even without any input, the brain still activates the same areas anyway. Hallucinations appear real for people, because the brain is doing exactly the same thing as if the voice was really there. Pretty cool.

So in theory, if it's somehow possible to feed the brain with the relevant data, there's not much that's speaking against simulation arguments.

The whole topic is pretty interesting...but that's not the point OP was trying to make. He just needed to find a way to incorporate his perceived vast knowledge of certain areas (Kant, quantum physics) into a topic, trying to delude himself into believing that he's a profound thinker with a lot of original ideas.

The truth is...the idea of reality as a simulation wasn't invented by the Wachowski brothers, and Kant and quantum mechanics are completely irrelevant in order to understand this movie. Now OP has to disagree of course, since rambling about some shit he read on Wikipedia is his way of getting validation, but in the end...I know the exact same talk from the Matrix Reloaded days in the form of dialogues between drunk teenagers late at a party. Nothing wrong with it, but nothing impressive either.

Anyway...I really think we're living inside a computer. The OP is solid proof for our alien overlords being able to accurately simulate a ph@ggot.

[QUOTE=dr.hee]This.

I like the Matrix as a movie, it's just that the concepts underlying the script are fairly non trivial and just not really that exciting. The whole "What if we're really in the Matrix?" thing was an easy and convenient way back in the day for pubescent boys to delude themselves into sounding profound and intelligent between playing Max Payne and looking at girls' asses in highschool class.

That being said...the whole simulation idea is pretty compelling to me. It's just that you don't need Wikipedia-level knowledge of Kant and quantum mechanics in order to argue for it. It's just common sense. The existence of dreams we aren't reliably able to distinguish from what we call "reality" is more than enough to make such arguments.

I mean basically...Matrix was simply the brain in a vat-idea applied to many humans in the context of a shared reality. You don't need philosophical ramblings and half-assed physics for that. Just the assumption that is shouldn't matter for our own perception of the world whether the input is coming through our sensory system or directly applied to the relevant brain areas themselves. So if it's indeed practically possible (no idea if we'll ever find out) to make the brain respond in the same way to artificially created input than it does to data our sensory system is gathering, a simulation isn't that strange of a thought.

An even better example for this than dreams are neurophysiological differences between auditory hallucinations and imagining a voice. In short...using neuroimaging, we can distinguish if someone is hearing a real voice or just imagining a conversation, because brain areas related to processing data coming in from the outside aren't active when imagining a sound. But we can't tell if someone is hallucinating a voice or hearing a real one only by looking at brain images, because even without any input, the brain still activates the same areas anyway. Hallucinations appear real for people, because the brain is doing exactly the same thing as if the voice was really there. Pretty cool.

So in theory, if it's somehow possible to feed the brain with the relevant data, there's not much that's speaking against simulation arguments.

The whole topic is pretty interesting...but that's not the point OP was trying to make. He just needed to find a way to incorporate his perceived vast knowledge of certain areas (Kant, quantum physics) into a topic, trying to delude himself into believing that he's a profound thinker with a lot of original ideas.

The truth is...the idea of reality as a simulation wasn't invented by the Wachowski brothers, and Kant and quantum mechanics are completely irrelevant in order to understand this movie. Now OP has to disagree of course, since rambling about some shit he read on Wikipedia is his way of getting validation, but in the end...I know the exact same talk from the Matrix Reloaded days in the form of dialogues between drunk teenagers late at a party. Nothing wrong with it, but nothing impressive either.

Anyway...I really think we're living inside a computer. The OP is solid proof for our alien overlords being able to accurately simulate a ph@ggot.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the elaboration but you are forgetting one simple experiment:[B] duality of waves.[/B]

Let's key on that and truly understand what it really means. [B] It is the best idea of today by the mere fact it has not been discarded and the best geniuses are working to further the idea.[/B]

LOL @ how ironic that thread is right now. :roll:

Can't even make this shit up.

Anyways..


Rambo you're dodging cuz you ain't got a clue about the shit you spewin' bruh. Youz a mother ****ing troll.

But I do see how you bait people into responding with well thought out posts. It's your turn to actually defend whatever point you're trying to make. You made the thread, now ****ing educate us, troll.

[QUOTE=moe94]Did you really need to prove that?:lol[/QUOTE]
The random irony makes it worth the effort.

"He has developed this incredible athleticism/stamina/durability with INTENSE visualization/meditation techniques and INCREDIBLE will power"

Rambo is on to something here. Westbrook shaping his reality with his [B]imagination[/B]. :eek:

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Thanks for the elaboration but you are forgetting one simple:[B] duality of waves.[/B]

Let's key on that and truly understand what it really means. [B] It is the best idea of today by the mere fact it has not been discarded and the best geniuses are working to further the idea.[/B

][/QUOTE]

Completely irrelevant. The only question you could derive from watching the Matrix is whether it's practically possible to use computer generated input in order to elicit the same brain response patterns that result from our sensory system. Everything else is pseudo-intellectial bullshit (that's where you'll scream "AD HOMINEM" btw...). Duality of waves? GTFO.

Not impressed, kid. You've brought nothing new to the table that hasn't been discussed to death by high school kids after watching Matrix Reloaded. Come on, you can do better.

:kobe: