Patrick Beverley is NOT a good defender

okay guys there has been much talk about Patrick Beverley lately if hes a dirty player or not.
while i think he has those tendencies we might have to watch him for a longer sample size to decide.
what is 100% clear to me is that he isnt even average on defense.
sure he gambles for steals and especially early in games he gets quite a few. but thats it.
all he does outside of this is handcheck all game, has the second most fouls per 36 minutes of all guards and still cant defend good PGs in any way.
he gets picked easily, gets burned hard by fast PGs and has a very bad defensive IQ. he fouled 3 pt shooters OFTEN this season and often late in games too.
hes a terrible team defender and at most average on 1 on 1 defense. the stats prove this as opposing PGs, even average ones, often go off on him.
he for example has a WAY worse defensive rating than his back up Lin too.
so why do you guys think hes starting on Houston??
hes worthless on offense and at best an average defender.:biggums: :wtf: :coleman:

1. He's the dirtiest punk player in the NBA.

2. He is not a good defender.

3. NBA fans are complete morons.

That about sums it all up.

Beverley is all hustle and effort...which equates to good on the ball defense.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]1. He's the dirtiest punk player in the NBA.

2. He is not a good defender.

3. NBA fans are complete morons.

That about sums it all up.[/QUOTE]

What was he like in the Euro league?

[QUOTE=Clyde]Beverley is all hustle and effort...which equates to good on the ball defense.[/QUOTE]
it actually doesnt because he gets lit up even by average PGs on a regular basis.
this while fouling the ntire time with excessive handchecking.
Jeremy Lin showed he can completely shut down opposing PGs this season, did it even in multiple consecutive games.
Beverley starting is pure hate by coach McFail and his desire to prove he was right to cut Jeremy before Linsanity:facepalm

[QUOTE=Clyde]What was he like in the Euro league?[/QUOTE]
If i remember he only played in Eurocup which is at best D-League level

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]it actually doesnt because he gets lit up even by average PGs on a regular basis.
this while fouling the ntire time with excessive handchecking.
Jeremy Lin showed he can completely shut down opposing PGs this season, did it even in multiple consecutive games.
Beverley starting is pure hate by coach McFail and his desire to prove he was right to cut Jeremy before Linsanity:facepalm[/QUOTE]

huh?

Jeremy is obviously bigger, but he's not shutting down anyone.

I also see you have Lin as a top 5 point guard, so I'm just going to put you ignore because you're here to troll people.

[QUOTE=Clyde]Beverley is all hustle and effort...which equates to good on the ball defense.[/QUOTE]

He's barely average at best in on ball defense. Anyone saying otherwise has never seen him play a game.

[QUOTE=Clyde]huh?

Jeremy is obviously bigger, but he's not shutting down anyone.

I also see you have Lin as a top 5 point guard, so I'm just going to put you ignore because you're here to troll people.[/QUOTE]
Lin held PArker to 6 points on 12 % earlier this season while having an efficent offensive game himself, then held Thomas to 5/17 and Wall to 6/19 in CONSECUTIVE games when Scruberley was injured.
and that is only an example, he did that multiple times this season.
last game vs Thunder WEstbrook was 0-5 on Lin while he was 6-9 on beverley

[QUOTE=Euroleague]He's barely average at best in on ball defense. Anyone saying otherwise has never seen him play a game.[/QUOTE]


I've seen him play 3 times this week.

Can't knock his hustle or effort.

[QUOTE=Clyde]What was he like in the Euro league?[/QUOTE]

As I already told you, he was the third string point guard on Olympiacos.


[B]Here is his Euroleague profile:[/B]

[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=001927&seasoncode=E2009[/url]

He was supposed to be a "defensive specialist" with Olympiacos, because he could not really shoot, or score, and he was supposed to be a "hustle and energy role player" that would rebound, and "get under the skin of the opponent"....in other words be the dirtiest player in Euroleague.

He had I believe a 3 year contract, but he only last 1 year, because he actually was not a good defender, as he could not keep any fast point guards in front of him. All he actually could do was be the dirtiest player in Euroleague and seemingly try to injure opposing players just about every time he got in a game.

He was advertised as a "defender" to Olympiacos by Pat Riley, and as Giannakis, the Olympiacos coach said, they did not keep him because he actually did not shut down down anyone at any time that he was asked to at any important game or moment.

Just as an example, Spanoulis completely destroyed him in the Greek League playoffs.

He's a 3rd string point guard. That's about his true level. That's what he really is. Daryl Morey is just a moron.

Jeremy Lin is a much better player than him.

[QUOTE=Clyde]I've seen him play 3 times this week.

Can't knock his hustle or effort.[/QUOTE]
god absolutely devastated the last two games on defense while provoding nothing on offense.
dat hustle doe

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]it actually doesnt because he gets lit up even by average PGs on a regular basis.
this while fouling the ntire time with excessive handchecking.
Jeremy Lin showed he can completely shut down opposing PGs this season, did it even in multiple consecutive games.
Beverley starting is pure hate by coach McFail and his desire to prove he was right to cut Jeremy before Linsanity:facepalm[/QUOTE]

It's not McHale. It's Morey and his "genius" stats. His "genius" stats and calculations decide everything on that team. Including the playing time and rotations.

Beverley actually isn't that bad on defense. Jeremy Lin is a good defense PG?

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dsV3gZw.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]As I already told you, he was the third string point guard on Olympiacos.


[B]Here is his Euroleague profile:[/B]

[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=001927&seasoncode=E2009[/url]

He was supposed to be a "defensive specialist" with Olympiacos, because he could not really shoot, or score, and he was supposed to be a "hustle and energy role player" that would rebound, and "get under the skin of the opponent"....in other words be the dirtiest player in Euroleague.

He had I believe a 3 year contract, but he only last 1 year, because he actually was not a good defender, as he could not keep any fast point guards in front of him. All he actually could do was be the dirtiest player in Euroleague and try to injure opposing players just about every time he got in a game.

That's about his true level. He's a 3rd string point guard. That's what he really is. Daryl Morey is just a moron.

Jeremy Lin is a much better player than him.[/QUOTE]
damn Euroleague dropping truthbombs as always.
totally nailed it:cheers: :cheers:

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Beverley actually isn't that bad on defense. Jeremy Lin is a good defense PG?

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dsV3gZw.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
i know its funny especially for black people to hate on Lin since hes asian, but yes, he is. he is EASILY top 3 in the NBA on defense at the PG position.
regulary shuts elite PGs down and plays INCREDIBLE team defense.
problem is overhelping sometimes and getting screened easily

[QUOTE=Euroleague]As I already told you, he was the third string point guard on Olympiacos.


[B]Here is his Euroleague profile:[/B]

[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=001927&seasoncode=E2009[/url]

He was supposed to be a "defensive specialist" with Olympiacos, because he could not really shoot, or score, and he was supposed to be a "hustle and energy role player" that would rebound, and "get under the skin of the opponent"....in other words be the dirtiest player in Euroleague.

He had I believe a 3 year contract, but he only last 1 year, because he actually was not a good defender, as he could not keep any fast point guards in front of him. All he actually could do was be the dirtiest player in Euroleague and try to injure opposing players just about every time he got in a game.

That's about his true level. He's a 3rd string point guard. That's what he really is. Daryl Morey is just a moron.

Jeremy Lin is a much better player than him.[/QUOTE]

No doubt Jeremy is the better player. I think he doesn't start on offense, as is needed off the bench to help the second unit. Not starting has nothing to do with a lack of ability or respect from his coach.

Unfortunately there is a need for these Beverley type players....usually they are just bigger and don't play the guard spot. (hard nose enforcer type players)

I dont like the guy. But i respect the effort he's putting on the floor to try and help his team win.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]It's not McHale. It's Morey and his "genius" stats. His "genius" stats and calculations decide everything on that team. Including the playing time and rotations.[/QUOTE]
yeah Morey that fat turd probably never played basketball in his life.
this idiot thinks you can win a championship by only shooting at the basket or from 3.
Rockets are lowest team in midrange attempts and the second lowest, the 76ers have more than twice as many attempts:biggums:

He's an above average defender from the games i watched, but i think his defense reputation is inflated because of his hustle

[QUOTE=Clyde]I've seen him play 3 times this week.

Can't knock his hustle or effort.[/QUOTE]

Hustle and effort does not make you a good defender. It just makes you a guy that is hustling and giving a good effort.

For some reason, NBA fans can't seem to differentiate between the two. I would guess the reason is probably because in 90% of NBA games no one is ever hustling or giving any effort, or even trying to play defense at all.

So the complete shock of seeing one player actually try to play defense is an anomaly.

It still does not mean you are actually good at it though. NBA fans clearly can't grasp the difference.

Beverley can't really guard anyone to be honest. All he does is go out there and try to thug on everyone.

[QUOTE=Clyde]No doubt Jeremy is the better player. I think he doesn't start as offense is needed off the bench. Not starting has nothing to do with a precieved lack of ability.

Unfortunately there is a need for these Beverley type players....usually they are just bigger and don't play the guard spot. (hard nose enforcer type players)

I dont like the guy. But i respect the effort he's putting on the floor to try and help his team win.[/QUOTE]
Beverley is starting because Harden demanded it for him to dominate the ball even more.
they also want to make Parsons a playmaker which is simply retarded because he sucks at it while being a great off ball player.
McHale ALLWAYS hated lin he called him a selfish player after him and harden singlehandedly OWNED the Thunder last regular season and lin led the comeback and had the gamewinner.
he wants to prove he was right that Lin is a scrub and he cut him before Linsanity.
Morey the idiotic stat nerd doesnt help either

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Beverley actually isn't that bad on defense. Jeremy Lin is a good defense PG?

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dsV3gZw.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Yes, hard to believe, but Lin is actually a good defender.

Beverley is mostly just hustle, he has bad defensive instincts but puts in a lot of effort.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Hustle and effort does not make you a good defender. It just makes you a guy that is hustling and giving a good effort.

For some reason, NBA fans can't seem to differentiate between the two. I would guess the reason is probably because in 90% of NBA games no one is every hustling or giving any effort, or even trying to play defense at all.

So the complete shock of seeing one player actually try to play defense is an anomaly.

It still does not mean you are actually good at it though. NBA fans clearly can't grasp the difference.

Beverley can't really guard anyone to be honest. All he does is go out there and try to thug on everyone.[/QUOTE]


Do you watch college basketball? Totally different then the NBA game, I actually prefer it more at times.

I live in Canada so I get to see a few Euro league games a week as they are televised here. I dont mid it, but it lacks the same presentation as the NBA broadcast (obviously due to money).

Still it's good basketball at times.

[QUOTE=scm5]Yes, hard to believe, but Lin is actually a good defender.

Beverley is mostly just hustle, he has bad defensive instincts but puts in a lot of effort.[/QUOTE]
:applause: :applause:
when they see a 6

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]If i remember he only played in Eurocup which is at best D-League level[/QUOTE]

He played in Euroleague with Olympiacos as their 3rd string point guard. He didn't cut it in Euroleague, so he dropped down to the Eurocup level and stayed there with Spartak for awhile.

That's where Morey the "genius" "discovered him out of nowhere".......

[QUOTE=Clyde]No doubt Jeremy is the better player. I think he doesn't start on offense, as is needed off the bench to help the second unit. Not starting has nothing to do with a lack of ability or respect from his coach.

Unfortunately there is a need for these Beverley type players....usually they are just bigger and don't play the guard spot. (hard nose enforcer type players)

I dont like the guy. But i respect the effort he's putting on the floor to try and help his team win.[/QUOTE]

Well I don't think punks like him should be in the league. George Karl said something to the effect of, "there are just some kinds of guys that we should not have in the league."

He's one of those kinds of guys.

Morey and Rockets fans are glorifying this kind of guy. He's going to seriously injure someone. He's nothing more than a 3rd string level player that is getting playing time because he goes out there with the intent of trying to disrupt the other team and making plays that can injure other players.

And the coach, GM and fans of the Rockets are approving and even seem to be egging him on.

[B]And clearly this is the reason Morey signed him in the first place, as there were dozens of better point guards than him in Europe. But he was known as the dirtiest player in Europe....no real point guard skills even....but will go out there and try to punk someone...
[/B]

That was clearly why Morey even signed him in the first place and insisted McHale play the guy, even though he can't even pass the ball.

That kind of stuff should not be allowed in the league.

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]:applause: :applause:
when they see a 6

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield][B]Beverley is starting because Harden demanded it for him to dominate the ball even more.[/B]
they also want to make Parsons a playmaker which is simply retarded because he sucks at it while being a great off ball player.
McHale ALLWAYS hated lin he called him a selfish player after him and harden singlehandedly OWNED the Thunder last regular season and lin led the comeback and had the gamewinner.
he wants to prove he was right that Lin is a scrub and he cut him before Linsanity.
Morey the idiotic stat nerd doesnt help either[/QUOTE]

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Harden is such a freaking baby.....

Can't wait to see that team with him and Howard in the playoffs...

:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Clyde]Do you watch college basketball? Totally different then the NBA game, I actually prefer it more at times.

I live in Canada so I get to see a few Euro league games a week as they are televised here. I dont mid it, but it lacks the same presentation as the NBA broadcast (obviously due to money).

Still it's good basketball at times.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I watch NCAA. I like the big conference tournaments and NCAA tournament.

Beverley is a GOOD defender. He's just not this elite defender that everyone thinks he is.

I LIKE Beverley...he's a great teammate and 150% hustle, all the time. But, like others have mentioned, I think a lot of that jerky movement and poking at the ball...it's for show and I don't know how effective that is.

I know he mind ****ed Lilliard bad and that's where his rep came from, but saying Beverley is an elite defender just because of that is like saying Lin is an elite player just because of Linsanity.

I've watched pretty much every Rockets game of the last two seasons. At most, I would say Beverley is a good defender. He still gets beat off the dribble (Lin is a BETTER on ball defender, even though he doesn't poke the ball as much he stays in front of his man better) a bit much.

It's basically risk/reward. Beverley will get you that one or two extra "pokes" a game..but he's also going to give you 2-3 extra fouls a game, most of the time sending his guy to the line. What's better?

Lin and Beverley are equal, to me, on defense. Lin is better on the ball and blocking shots (opposing PGs rarely try to shoot over him) whereas Beverley is a better help defender and reads passing lanes better.

When both of these guys are on the court at the same time, Houston's perimeter defense really steps up big time. Their weakness out there is still Harden, though he's improved somewhat lately...he's still pretty porous and lazy at times.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Well I don't think punks like him should be in the league. George Karl said something to the effect of, "there are just some kinds of guys that we should not have in the league."

He's one of those kinds of guys.

Morey and Rockets fans are glorifying this kind of guy. He's going to seriously injure someone. He's nothing more than a 3rd string level player that is getting playing time because he goes out there with the intent of trying to disrupt the other team and trying to injure other players.

And the coach, GM and fans of the Rockets are approving and even seem to be egging him on.

[B]And clearly this is the reason Morey signed him in the first place, as there were dozens of better point guards than him in Europe. But he was known as the dirtiest player in Europe....no real point guard skills even....but will go out there and try to punk someone...
[/B]

That was clearly why Morey even signed him in the first place and insisted McHale play the guy, even though he can't even pass the ball.

That kind of stuff should not be allowed in the league.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I completely agree. I think it is one thing to have toughness and tenacity on the defensive end that changes the culture of the team but Beverly is just flat out dirty. The shit he did to Westbrook last week where he tried to hurt him again when OKC called a timeout was suspension worthy simply because of the audacity of it.

A guy that is only in the league because he plays in a way that increases the chance of others getting injured is not someone I'm interesting in watching. I hope they meet OKC in the playoffs and Westbrook ****ing tortures him.

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]Yeah, I completely agree. I think it is one thing to have toughness and tenacity on the defensive end that changes the culture of the team but Beverly is just flat out dirty. The shit he did to Westbrook last week where he tried to hurt him again when OKC called a timeout was suspension worthy simply because of the audacity of it.

A guy that is only in the league because he plays in a way that increases the chance of others getting injured is not someone I'm interesting in watching. I hope they meet OKC in the playoffs and Westbrook ****ing tortures him.[/QUOTE]
and this guy is getting 35 minutes a game.:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]Yeah, I completely agree. I think it is one thing to have toughness and tenacity on the defensive end that changes the culture of the team but Beverly is just flat out dirty. The shit he did to Westbrook last week where he tried to hurt him again when OKC called a timeout was suspension worthy simply because of the audacity of it.

A guy that is only in the league because he plays in a way that increases the chance of others getting injured is not someone I'm interesting in watching. I hope they meet OKC in the playoffs and Westbrook ****ing tortures him.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Beverley tries to actually hurt anyone and he definitely wasn't trying to hurt Westbrook the other night.

But he WAS trying to get in his head and that timeout play WAS on purpose.

I just don't like players like that. I mean, it's one thing if you're Rodman or Artest and you're producing buckets and/or rebounds, but when you're a thug and your statline ends up being 2pts, 3 rbs, 0 assts...just shut the **** up and play the game. I'm not saying that's Beverley, but if keeps up the shit he pulled against OKC, he WILL become that kind of player.

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]and this guy is getting 35 minutes a game.:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:[/QUOTE]

Yeah...ridiculous the amount of burn this guy gets when he produces so little.

Did you read that article on BR where Harden admitted that Beverley's "play" against OKC distracted the team?

Hopefully, that gets back to Beverley, but Beverley claims he doesn't read the news or media...so whatever.

[QUOTE=KungFuJoe]I don't think Beverley tries to actually hurt anyone and he definitely wasn't trying to hurt Westbrook the other night.

But he WAS trying to get in his head and that timeout play WAS on purpose.

I just don't like players like that. I mean, it's one thing if you're Rodman or Artest and you're producing buckets and/or rebounds, but when you're a thug and your statline ends up being 2pts, 3 rbs, 0 assts...just shut the **** up and play the game. I'm not saying that's Beverley, but if keeps up the shit he pulled against OKC, he WILL become that kind of player.[/QUOTE]

He might not be trying to hurt people. But he is going to play like an asshole and his attitude is "If he gets hurt then that's even better." If I was a current player, I would give him a Karl Malone elbow like Isiah got.

[QUOTE=KungFuJoe]Yeah...ridiculous the amount of burn this guy gets when he produces so little.

Did you read that article on BR where Harden admitted that Beverley's "play" against OKC distracted the team?

Hopefully, that gets back to Beverley, but Beverley claims he doesn't read the news or media...so whatever.[/QUOTE]
Im pretty sure Beverley cant even read.
He actually called himself a defensive superstar the other week.
the delusion McFail planted in this idiots head know no limits:roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=KungFuJoe]I don't think Beverley tries to actually hurt anyone and he definitely wasn't trying to hurt Westbrook the other night.

But he WAS trying to get in his head and that timeout play WAS on purpose.

I just don't like players like that. I mean, it's one thing if you're Rodman or Artest and you're producing buckets and/or rebounds, but when you're a thug and your statline ends up being 2pts, 3 rbs, 0 assts...just shut the **** up and play the game. I'm not saying that's Beverley, but if keeps up the shit he pulled against OKC, he WILL become that kind of player.[/QUOTE]

He was somehow always just nearly injuring or almost injuring guys all the time in Europe on these "accident" plays and the SAME thing ever since he came to the NBA.

How many freaking times does this have to happen before fans stop pretending?

This guy is the dirtiest player in a LONG time. It's like he's trying to be remembered as the dirtiest player ever.

The point is, at some point, someone is going to get seriously hurt, and this psychopath isn't even going to care.

There is no place for guys like this in the NBA or any other league for that matter.

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]He might not be trying to hurt people. But he is going to play like an asshole and his attitude is "If he gets hurt then that's even better." If I was a current player, I would give him a Karl Malone elbow like Isiah got.[/QUOTE]

Agreed...I think it's just a matter of time before someone retaliates against him.

He really seems to have embraced his role, though...but I guess he knows that it's his one ticket to a lasting career.

I just can't imagine any other team, besides the Rockets, that would START the guy. He seems PERFECT as the energy guy off the bench to spell the starting PG.

Westbrook 6/17 5 TOs
Lillard 7/13 7 TOs
Hill 2/5 1 TO

Not including the Bulls game. That was an anomaly, they looked tired after the past two weeks and everyone played poorly.

But other than that, hes done pretty well against other pretty good point guards. Lillard was even complaining about him. You have guys complaining about you in SI, then you're doing something right.

Not saying hes the best defender, but he disrupts the other teams offense. Thats his only job. Disrupt the offense.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]He was somehow always just injuring or almost injuring guys all the time in Europe on these "accident" plays and the SAME thing ever since he came to the NBA.

How many freaking times does this have to happen before fans stop pretending?

This guy is the dirtiest player in a LONG time. It's like he's trying to be remembered as the dirtiest player ever.

The point is, at some point, someone is going to get seriously hurt, and this psychopath isn't even going to care.

There is no place for guys like this in the NBA or any other league for that matter.[/QUOTE]
this
what he did to westbrook the other night was shameful.
there you denied a guy of a possible finals appearance last playoffs and what do you do?? trying to go at him again after he called a timeout, the exact same thing that got him injured last year:wtf: :wtf: :biggums: :coleman: