Would he rank top 10:confusedshrug:
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Would he rank top 10:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=zoom17]Would he rank top 10:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
He probably would have had 40+ ppg seasons, but on "Baylor-like" efficiencies.
And, as was posted in another topic, his team success would depend on which teams that he would have played with. He likely would not have won very many, if any, rings, unless he would have played with the Celtics. But then again, he wouldn't have averaged more 25 ppg with those teams, either.
There was no perimeter players with his skill set, dude would average 40+ easily..60s were a great era for big men
[B]This again?
Assuming he'd make it into the league and assuming he'd be able to deal with all the racism and its "repercussions", plus much more physical play (all of that which he would be able to "do" better than Lebron tbh, although Lebron's the better player at their best), while not having all these modern "luxuries" you can think of... He'd have an amazing career just the same and regardless of all the "nuances" and subjectivity.
Big difference is that people nowadays woud be saying stuff like: "Kobe Bryant would be just another Kent Bazemore in this league :oldlol:" :rolleyes: "Weak era" :rolleyes: "His accolades/acomplishments mean shit" :rolleyes: [/B]
[QUOTE=ABfor3]There was no perimeter players with his skill set, dude would average 40+ easily..60s were a great era for big men[/QUOTE]
[B]Won't go into the skill-set discussion but players like Oscar, West and Baylor were terrific perimeter players (in any era), even dudes like Sam Jones or Hal Greer, really good ballers...[/B]
Who would he model his game after? He certainly wouldn't be Kobe as you know him.
if he played in 60s, MJ would model his game after kobe not the other way around
Better than Dean Meminger and Dick Barnett but behind Sam Jones and Hal Greer.
Like Moe and VIntageNOvel said, Kobe wouldn't be Kobe. He models his game after MJ and he wasn't even in the league in the 60s.
I'm confused at what you're asking, OP.
When you say "Kobe ranks in the 60s" Do you mean he's in the top 60 of all time? If so, I agree. He's probably about #62 of all time behind John Starks.
Or are you asking if you would rank in the 1960s? The answer is no, he wouldn't.
would been lynched after the kate farber incident?
became a civil rights icon
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]would been lynched after the kate farber incident?
became a civil rights icon[/QUOTE]
Actually, that incident would have never taken place. No hotel rooms for blacks. He would have to sneak his white girls like Chuck Berry used to do.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Actually, that incident would have never taken place. No hotel rooms for blacks. He would have to sneak his white girls like Chuck Berry used to do.[/QUOTE]
damn, all this equality today is getting our brothas tripped up
Probably top 7 i'd think.
Most skilled player ever, a goat scorer, just all around great player.
I'll say multiple 60+ ppg seasons, to go along 20 assists, and maybe 10+ rebounds a game.
In short, GOAT.
[QUOTE=The-Legend-24]Most skilled player ever, a goat scorer, just all around great player.
I'll say multiple 60+ ppg seasons, to go along 20 assists, and maybe 10+ rebounds a game.
In short, GOAT.[/QUOTE]
Stop homie.
You sugar-coatin dis bitch.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]Stop homie.
You sugar-coatin dis bitch.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Your attempts to post like you're African-American when you're from Australia is absolutely cringe-worthy and f#cking sad.
[IMG]http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/122/1225936/2448448-0589552695-Wigge.jpg[/IMG]
Your life story right there.
[QUOTE=Combat Wombat]:facepalm
Your attempts to post like you're African-American when you're from Australia is absolutely cringe-worthy and f#cking sad.
[IMG]http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/122/1225936/2448448-0589552695-Wigge.jpg[/IMG]
Your life story right there.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Haha.
You soo shook homie, don't cry yo
lemme go get some tissues for you ok boo thang
but seriously. who the fvck are you???
Best player in da game.
40 ppg 10 rpg 10 apg
10 straight titles
Like, is this even a serious question? How many players could even dribble with two hands back in the day? Kobe's too quick & skilled for anyone to guard him & he would be the best passer of that era by a mile if you compare his passing game to Big O's.
Kobe does everything better than Oscar, who averaged 31 13 11 for a season in that era while he's an inch smaller than Kobe with less skills.
If a 6-5 Oscar, that weighs just about as much as Kobe, averages 10+ rpg for 3 straight seasons, what you think a taller & a more athletic Kobe is going to do? Oscar had a similar skillset actually when you look at his scoring arsenal, he could post up & shoot turnaround J's, his pull up jumper was pretty good, but still looked weird like Magic's & his passing is overrated as hell.
Kobe, with the skillset that he has, would dominate the league so easily because no one in that era would be good enough to stop him.
Outside the top 10.
People will diminish his accomplishments. Dominating short nerdy white guys ain't going to impress anybody.
[QUOTE=deja vu]Outside the top 10.
People will diminish his accomplishments. Dominating short nerdy white guys ain't going to impress anybody.[/QUOTE]
So about where he is now?
[QUOTE=Quickening]So about where he is now?[/QUOTE]
just ahead of Magic
greatest Laker of all-time, which Magic, Shaq & Jerry West have all said Kobe is, so if you rank Magic & Kareem in the top 5, Kobe has to be right ahead of them, or at minimum, ahead of Magic.
Barkley: Kobe is one of the 5 greatest NBA Players ever
Shaq: Kobe is the greatest Laker of all-time
Magic: Kobe is the greatest Laker of all-time
West: Kobe is the greatest Laker of all-time
Marc Jackson: Kobe will go down as the greatest player of all-time
Pat Riley: MJ will always be the best of the best, but you have to put Kobe right there, guys like Dwyane, Lebron & Melo are trying to get there one day
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxYZAgKRtM8[/url]
in the video above, at 8:59, Phil says Kobe's more skilled than MJ
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtGJSiMqpWk[/url]
See, even Lebron knows how to love Kobe, how many players have actually admitted that someone is better than them? Lebron had no problem admitting that Kobe was greater than him as a player & as a scorer in multiple seasons. Lebron stans need to listen to they idol. :applause:
[QUOTE=ImKobe]just ahead of Magic
greatest Laker of all-time, which Magic, Shaq & Jerry West have all said Kobe is, so if you rank Magic & Kareem in the top 5, Kobe has to be right ahead of them, or at minimum, ahead of Magic.
Barkley: Kobe is one of the 5 greatest NBA Players ever
Shaq: Kobe is the greatest Laker of all-time
Magic: Kobe is the greatest Laker of all-time
West: Kobe is the greatest Laker of all-time
Marc Jackson: Kobe will go down as the greatest player of all-time
Pat Riley: MJ will always be the best of the best, but you have to put Kobe right there, guys like Dwyane, Lebron & Melo are trying to get there one day
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxYZAgKRtM8[/url]
in the video above, at 8:59, Phil says Kobe's more skilled than MJ
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtGJSiMqpWk[/url]
See, even Lebron knows how to love Kobe, how many players have actually admitted that someone is better than them? Lebron had no problem admitting that Kobe was greater than him as a player & as a scorer in multiple seasons. Lebron stans need to listen to they idol. :applause:[/QUOTE]
BUT the REALITY is, Magic is CLEARLY the greatest Laker of all-time. He has the all-time greatest W-L record percentage in NBA history (which BTW, was higher in his career games withOUT Kareem.) He carried his teams to NINE Finals, winning FIVE rings, with THREE FMVPs (and was certainly robbed of another one in '88.) AND, he played WELL in nearly all of his Finals, unlike Kobe, who was either below average, or downright putrid in five of his seven (and only average, for him, in the other two...and both of those were against crappy Nets teams.)
[B]Kobe highlights from 1960s[/B]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK4XhR0lYlE[/url]
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]BUT the REALITY is, Magic is CLEARLY the greatest Laker of all-time. He has the all-time greatest W-L record percentage in NBA history (which BTW, was higher in his career games withOUT Kareem.) He carried his teams to NINE Finals, winning FIVE rings, with THREE FMVPs (and was certainly robbed of another one in '88.) AND, he played WELL in nearly all of his Finals, unlike Kobe, who was either below average, or downright putrid in five of his seven (and only average, for him, in the other two...and both of those were against crappy Nets teams.)[/QUOTE]
What does he expect Magic to say? That he thinks of himself as the greatest Laker? Shaq played with Kobe too, and he's been playing damage control with him for years.
Magic won as many rings as Kobe in considerably less years.
[QUOTE=T_L_P]What does he expect Magic to say? That he thinks of himself as the greatest Laker? Shaq played with Kobe too, and he's been playing damage control with him for years.
Magic won as many rings as Kobe in considerably less years.[/QUOTE]
Magic didn't say it in response to a question. He said it on his own and the cohosts on the show didn't know how to respond. Magic knew what he was saying and meant what he said
[QUOTE=deja vu]Outside the top 10.
People will diminish his accomplishments. Dominating short nerdy white guys ain't going to impress anybody.[/QUOTE]
This right here :applause: :applause: :applause:
Similar to how we rank Chamberlain, and it's clear Kobe ranks above him now.
kobe would lead the league in FG in the 60s. There. I said it. What more is there to be said? :roll:
[QUOTE=T_L_P]What does he expect Magic to say? That he thinks of himself as the greatest Laker? Shaq played with Kobe too, and he's been playing damage control with him for years.
[B]Magic won as many rings as Kobe in considerably less years.[/B][/QUOTE]
And who did Magic have for those rings? Oh yeah, only the NBA's all-time leading scorer, who won an FMVP over prime Magic at 38 years of age. Even James Worthy won a Finals MVP over prime Magic. Jamaal Wilkes also deserved one of those FMVPs that Magic got & Kareem was robbed in Magic's rookie season.
People use Kobe's help to take credit away from him all the time, why does no one do that for Magic, who arguably had some of the most stacked rosters ever?
1985 Lakers: Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, McAdoo, Wilkes, Byron Scott. That Lakers team had eleven 10+ ppg scorers & 3 scored over 20 a game for crying out loud. Magic obviously had an inconic career with his regular season & Playoff success & even though I love the guy I feel like the way his career got short added a lot to his legend.
Magic won 5 out of 9 Finals while Kobe won 5 out of 7 & Kobe had a period, where he had zero help for 3 straight seasons. Magic was drafted into a team that went to the semis the year prior & had so many HOFers play alongside him during their primes. What's worse, Magic nearly got swept in the first round with HCA as the defending champs against the 6th seeded Rockets, who went 40-42 in the regular season.
Kobe won 2 rings & led his team to b2b titles without Shaq or another top 50 all-time great, Magic didn't do that. :coleman:
Kobe also never lost in the first round with HCA & he had considerably less help after Shaq left.
Kobe, Magic & Kareem each have 5 titles with the Lakers, Kobe did it with the least amount of help. Kobe's the greatest Laker. Shaq said it, & he hated Kobe for a while. The 3 most iconic Laker players ever, who all could be debated for the greatest Laker, said Kobe was the greatest. I'm taking their word.
40-45 ppg on 65-70%.
Nobody would be able to physically stop him.
He has great hops with skill that none of those players would even imagine of.
7-8 rings at least
[QUOTE=ImKobe]And who did Magic have for those rings? Oh yeah, only the NBA's all-time leading scorer, who won an FMVP over prime Magic at 38 years of age. Even James Worthy won a Finals MVP over prime Magic. Jamaal Wilkes also deserved one of those FMVPs that Magic got & Kareem was robbed in Magic's rookie season.
People use Kobe's help to take credit away from him all the time, why does no one do that for Magic, who arguably had some of the most stacked rosters ever?
1985 Lakers: Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, McAdoo, Wilkes, Byron Scott. That Lakers team had eleven 10+ ppg scorers & 3 scored over 20 a game for crying out loud. Magic obviously had an inconic career with his regular season & Playoff success & even though I love the guy I feel like the way his career got short added a lot to his legend.
Magic won 5 out of 9 Finals while Kobe won 5 out of 7 & Kobe had a period, where he had zero help for 3 straight seasons. Magic was drafted into a team that went to the semis the year prior & had so many HOFers play alongside him during their primes. What's worse, Magic nearly got swept in the first round with HCA as the defending champs against the 6th seeded Rockets, who went 40-42 in the regular season.
Kobe won 2 rings & led his team to b2b titles without Shaq or another top 50 all-time great, Magic didn't do that. :coleman:
Kobe also never lost in the first round with HCA & he had considerably less help after Shaq left.
Kobe, Magic & Kareem each have 5 titles with the Lakers, Kobe did it with the least amount of help. Kobe's the greatest Laker. Shaq said it, & he hated Kobe for a while. The 3 most iconic Laker players ever, who all could be debated for the greatest Laker, said Kobe was the greatest. I'm taking their word.[/QUOTE]
Magic's CAREER W-L % = .740
Magic's CAREER W-L % withOUT Kareem= .743
Magic took a broken down, injury-plagued, over-the-hill roster to a 58-24 record his LAST full-time season, and then guided them to the Finals.
He retired, and guess what...they went 43-39, or about where they were when he joined them in 1979. Oh, and the next season... 39-43.
Kobe's career Finals FG%= .416.
Magic's career Finals FG% = .516.
Magic >>>>>> Kobe.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Magic's CAREER W-L % = .740
Magic's CAREER W-L % withOUT Kareem= .743
Magic took a broken down, injury-plagued, over-the-hill roster to a 58-24 record his LAST full-time season, and then guided them to the Finals.
He retired, and guess what...they went 43-39, or about where they were when he joined them in 1979. Oh, and the nest season... 39-43.
Kobe's career Finals FG%= .416.
Magic's career Finals FG% = .516.
Magic >>>>>> Kobe.[/QUOTE]
so, FG% is the epitome of ranking players? Kobe's a better scorer & a defender than Magic ever was. Magic's efficiency and numbers are inflated due to the high pace they play at + you make it look like all Magic had was Kareem.
You can't compare stats(especially efficiency) across eras like that, you should know that more than anyone else. Kobe won 5 out of 7 Finals, Magic won 5 out of 9. Magic himself said Kobe was the greatest Laker. Jerry West said Kobe was the greatest Laker. Shaq said Kobe was the greatest Laker.
Them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Magic's CAREER W-L % = .740
Magic's CAREER W-L % withOUT Kareem= .743
Magic took a broken down, injury-plagued, over-the-hill roster to a 58-24 record his LAST full-time season, and then guided them to the Finals.
He retired, and guess what...they went 43-39, or about where they were when he joined them in 1979. Oh, and the next season... 39-43.
Kobe's career Finals FG%= .416.
Magic's career Finals FG% = .516.
Magic >>>>>> Kobe.[/QUOTE]
So when an all-time great player retires his team, which is a tad old at the time has a worse record than with that player? Your arguments are so incredibly stupid, it's just cringe-worthy to even read this shit.
[QUOTE=SexSymbol]So when an all-time great player retires his team, which is a tad old at the time has a worse record than with that player? Your arguments are so incredibly stupid, it's just cringe-worthy to even read this shit.[/QUOTE]
Seriously, and how are the Lakers doing without Kobe this season as compared to with him the year before, despite having a bench & for most of the season a healthy Pau Gasol? I'm pretty sure they are currently less than 4 games behind the top 3 worst record in the league.
[QUOTE=SexSymbol]So when an all-time great player retires his team, which is a tad old at the time has a worse record than with that player? Your arguments are so incredibly stupid, it's just cringe-worthy to even read this shit.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I'll play.
In Kareem's last season, the Lakers went 57-25.
He retired, and they went 63-19.
BTW, in Magic's last season LA went 58-24..and to the Finals.
He retired and they fell to 43-39, and were beaten in the first round of the playoffs.
I would say that is a SIGNIFICANT drop, wouldn't you?
[QUOTE=ImKobe]Seriously, and how are the Lakers doing without Kobe this season as compared to with him the year before, despite having a bench & for most of the season a healthy Pau Gasol? I'm pretty sure they are currently less than 4 games behind the top 3 worst record in the league.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes...and let's forget that they don't have Dwight and his 76 games, or that Nash played 50 games last season, and he has played 14 this season.
BTW, they went 45-37 with Kobe, Gasol, Dwight, and Nash last year.
This year, with basically Gasol, who has missed 13 games, himself, 25-51.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Oh yes...and let's forget that they don't have Dwight and his 76 games, or that Nash played 50 games last season, and he has played 14 this season.
BTW, they went 45-37 with Kobe, Gasol, Dwight, and Nash last year.
This year, with basically Gasol, who has missed 13 games, himself, 25-51.[/QUOTE]
Nash, Dwight & Gasol were all dealing with injuries for most of the season with Nash & Pau having the worst years of their career while also missing over 30 games apiece.
Kobe played 40+ minutes practically every game to keep his team in the Playoff race, Lakers had a top 3 record in the West after the ASB with Kobe playing basically every minute at point guard because we had no more guards left on the roster, Kobe goes down & they get bukkaked in the Playoffs by Timmy, Manu & Parker.
Lakers, without Kobe, are a top 5 lottery team. Lakers, with Kobe, are a Playoff team.
One thing I know for sure is that he won't shoot better than 45%.
[QUOTE=ImKobe]Seriously, and how are the Lakers doing without Kobe this season as compared to with him the year before, despite having a bench & for most of the season a healthy Pau Gasol? I'm pretty sure they are currently less than 4 games behind the top 3 worst record in the league.[/QUOTE]
you are on some special kind of retarded down's syndrome to try and justify that kobe's impact is comparable to magics. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
[QUOTE=swagga]you are on some special kind of retarded down's syndrome to try and justify that kobe's impact is comparable to magics. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm[/QUOTE]
It is. Kobe won 5 championships & had much less help than Magic did. Magic had 2 other Finals MVPs on his team + another HOF, who was in his prime & put up 20+ ppg on above 50% shooting on two of those championship runs. Are you kidding me?