As title.
Any anti capital punishments here? Would genuinely like to hear your thoughts.
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As title.
Any anti capital punishments here? Would genuinely like to hear your thoughts.
The criminal should get done to them, what they did to others. I am also up for handing the accused to the victims family.
+you save tax money
Here's what I think,
I think the victims should not only be killed, but they should be killed in the most painful fashion possible. This serves not only as a punishment but even more so a deterrence to other potential criminals.This may sound cruel, but recently in taiwan, a mass killing happened in taipei where a random person started hacking people with knifes. He killed 4 with more than 20 injured. He did so because he wanted to make sure that he was sentenced to death; he wanted to die but he was afraid of commiting suicide...thus the killings.
[QUOTE=Random_Guy]Here's what I think,
I think the victims should not only be killed, [B]but they should be killed in the most painful fashion possible[/B]. This serves not only as a punishment but even more so a deterrence to other potential criminals.This may sound cruel, but recently in taiwan, a mass killing happened in taipei where a random person started hacking people with knifes. He killed 4 with more than 20 injured. He did so because he wanted to make sure that he was sentenced to death; he wanted to die but he was afraid of commiting suicide...thus the killings.[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE=fiddy]No.[/QUOTE]
so how are you going to punish the person in my post? death is a relief for him.:confusedshrug:
everyone seems fine with whipping in singapore
it's inhumane
but most likely they have also committed a crime that is inhumane to face such possible penalty
the biggest question comes down to whether or not they have the possibility to appeal, that they didn't commit the crime, or that the "intention" in which they committed the crime means that their inhumane action can be justified.
If not, I honestly don't see why we can't if every single possible action and route has been tried.
Especially those who openly admits that they committed the crime. And view it as a way to taunt others in order to instill fear into the society of mankind.
[QUOTE=Random_Guy]so how are you going to punish the person in my post? death is a relief for him.:confusedshrug:
everyone seems fine with whipping in singapore[/QUOTE]
because granting someone their wish and prevent any further massecre is now the wrong thing to do.
because the publics job is in the competition of showing who's more inhumane, regardless of its impact and effect to the society.
because if whipping him bring "sick cruel" justice to the mind of the victims, then it is safe to say such event would happen again.
because countering negativity with negativity is what a great government do.
I dont like it. There is always a possibility that an innocent person is being sent to death. For those who are guilty, it is a easy way out.
Life is much better because for those who are innocent, there is a long time for them to try to get the decision reversed and to get justice for themselves.
For those who are guilty, life in prison followed by death is a better punishment than a short time in prison followed by death.
[QUOTE=ForeverHeat]I dont like it. There is always a possibility that an innocent person is being sent to death. For those who are guilty, it is a easy way out.
Life is much better because for those who are innocent, there is a long time for them to try to get the decision reversed and to get justice for themselves.
[B]For those who are guilty, life in prison followed by death is a better punishment than a short time in prison followed by death.[/B][/QUOTE]
If life in prison as a better punishment actually reduces the amount of people who commits murder/crime that deserves capital punishment/death penalty.
then yes, it IS a better punishment because it makes people think twice before they commit a crime.
And if not, what exactly do you mean by "better" punishment?
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[QUOTE=JohnFreeman]The criminal should get done to them, what they did to others. I am also up for handing the accused to the victims family.[/QUOTE]
I bet you'd like to rape some dudes
[QUOTE=GimmeThat]If life in prison as a better punishment actually reduces the amount of people who commits murder/crime that deserves capital punishment/death penalty.
then yes, it IS a better punishment because it makes people think twice before they commit a crime.
And if not, what exactly do you mean by "better" punishment?[/QUOTE]
Well the death penalty is essentially a easy way out. Die in a very non-painful fashion and thats that. Life in prison (until you die, not 25 years), is the same since you will die in prison anyway (and more likely in a more painful way then by state execution). Its essentially the death penalty + decades of imprisonment. I dont see how the death penalty is a "worse" punishment.
Then again some guys like prison and they have communities there, so they may prefer life in prison to being sentenced to death, so that may be an issue.
[QUOTE=Random_Guy]As title.
Any anti capital punishments here? Would genuinely like to hear your thoughts.[/QUOTE]
I am. It costs way more money than incarcerating someone for life, and since DNA testing has been introduced it has proven a lot of people to be innocent who were previously on death row.
Two HUGE inexcusable flaws in the current system, and anyone who supports it so they can spout off some right wing bullshit or act like some eye for an eye tough guy is a first rate rube.
Until they have a more cost effective way and accurate way to condemn people to death the judges should be held personally accountable for the well being of anyone they wrongfully condemn to death (ie charged with murder) that would make far fewer death sentences and much more accurate ones.
Plain and simp the systems a pimp, and I refuse to be a ho.
No, because:
1. Mistakes cannot be rectified, and there will always be mistakes.
2. I do not think the state should have the right and power to kill its citizens, no matter what they do, and i do not trust the state with such a power.
Though i deplore the current focus on rehabilitation with people who have committed acts so heinous that one should have no interest in their rehabilitation, and only in their permanent separation and isolation from the rest of society.
The best reason i can think of to justify the death penalty is that it provides a kind of cathartic release for society in that it has revenged itself on someone who so thoroughly cheated it. Human beings have always revelled in this kind of collective revenge.
[QUOTE=ForeverHeat]Well the death penalty is essentially a easy way out. Die in a very non-painful fashion and thats that. Life in prison (until you die, not 25 years), is the same since you will die in prison anyway (and more likely in a more painful way then by state execution). Its essentially the death penalty + decades of imprisonment. I dont see how the death penalty is a "worse" punishment.
Then again some guys like prison and they have communities there, so they may prefer life in prison to being sentenced to death, so that may be an issue.[/QUOTE]
Of course, I'm guessing you are also unaware that this life in prison is paid by our taxes. Or that you genuinely enjoy paying taxes so that people are in prison instead of facing death penalty.
We are all a little f&cked up in the head now, aren't we.
[QUOTE=GimmeThat]Of course, I'm guessing you are also unaware that this life in prison is paid by our taxes. Or that you genuinely enjoy paying taxes so that people are in prison instead of facing death penalty.
We are all a little f&cked up in the head now, aren't we.[/QUOTE]
Death penalty costs the tax payer much much much more than life in prison.
Read a book, you sound like an idiot popping off in that tone unaware of how retarded your rant is.
[QUOTE=Dresta]No, because:
1. Mistakes cannot be rectified, and there will always be mistakes.
2. I do not think the state should have the right and power to kill its citizens, no matter what they do, and i do not trust the state with such a power.
Though i deplore the current focus on rehabilitation with people who have committed acts so heinous that one should have no interest in their rehabilitation, and only in their permanent separation and isolation from the rest of society.
The best reason i can think of to justify the death penalty is that it provides a kind of cathartic release for society in that it has revenged itself on someone who so thoroughly cheated it. Human beings have always revelled in this kind of collective revenge.[/QUOTE]
Jail, is a land in which we created for those who had been deported from our country. Some temporary. In the case of life in prison, I suppose we are just creating an arena of people where people of the civlized generally would not want to be associated with or the fear of possible danger. But I guess this leaves the possibility that those who could make through enough progress in order for others to accept them.
That is one point of view in which I can live without the capital punishment.
But that's just me.
[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Death penalty costs the tax payer much much much more than life in prison.
Read a book, you sound like an idiot popping off in that tone unaware of how retarded your rant is.[/QUOTE]
I don't need a book to tell me that you believe in making mistakes, than have a system to be sure you save for those who got left because they were right.
Because in that case, population control isn't your issue.
[QUOTE=GimmeThat]I don't need a book to tell me that you believe in making mistakes, than have a system to be sure you save for those who got left because they were right.
Because in that case, population control isn't your issue.[/QUOTE]
are you a moron?
you wrote:
[QUOTE]I'm guessing you are also unaware that this life in prison is paid by our taxes. Or that you genuinely enjoy paying taxes so that people are in prison instead of facing death penalty.
We are all a little f&cked up in the head now, aren't we.[/QUOTE]
death penalty costs more than life in prison.
get a f*cking clue.
I'm anti death penatly but even if you agree wih it, it should only be used when there is undisputeable evidence like a clear cut video of the person comitting the crime.
[QUOTE=GimmeThat]Jail, is a land in which we created for those who had been deported from our country. Some temporary. In the case of life in prison, I suppose we are just creating an arena of people where people of the civlized generally would not want to be associated with or the fear of possible danger. But I guess this leaves the possibility that those who could make through enough progress in order for others to accept them.
That is one point of view in which I can live without the capital punishment.
But that's just me.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
I read that 3 times and still don't have a clue what you're getting at.
[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]are you a moron?
you wrote:
death penalty costs more than life in prison.
get a f*cking clue.[/QUOTE]
all you need to do is change the law and somehow it won't.
:applause:
sorry if I mistaken world view with American view sometimes.
Damn tunnel version that I have.
Death penalty only takes up tax money.
What would be more useful is to turn them into medical/science experiments to find cure for diseases. That way they are useful to society.
[QUOTE=Dresta]:biggums:
I read that 3 times and still don't have a clue what you're getting at.[/QUOTE]
That in a none-political fashion, one life is worth more than another.
[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]
Until they have a more cost effective way and accurate way to condemn people to death the judges should be held personally accountable for the well being of anyone they wrongfully condemn to death (ie charged with murder) that would make far fewer death sentences and much more accurate ones.
[/QUOTE]
I always vote Green, and I believe in the death penalty. It needs to be fixed so that only people that have absolute evidence against them, e.g. a witness, a motive, AND firm DNA evidence should be killed. They should only have 3 months to mount a defense, and if they cannot prove they didn't do it (rape, murder, pedo acts etc) then they're dead. Gun shot to the head.
I don't approve of paying for lifelong criminals, and I don't believe in prisoner reform in violent criminals
i'm anti.
IMO it's morally wrong.
[QUOTE=D-FENS]I always vote Green, and I believe in the death penalty. It needs to be fixed so that only people that have absolute evidence against them, e.g. a witness, a motive, AND firm DNA evidence should be killed. They should only have 3 months to mount a defense, and if they cannot prove they didn't do it (rape, murder, pedo acts etc) then they're dead. Gun shot to the head.
I don't approve of paying for lifelong criminals, and I don't believe in prisoner reform in violent criminals[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
Yeah, i'm sure granting such an arbitrary power to the state won't end badly and end up with innocent people getting a 'shot to the head'
In the real world things don't function so smoothly as in your dreamt up utopia where it is easy as pie to determine guilt and execute someone in the space of 3 months :facepalm
I'm not in favor of the death penalty. I don't think it's a deterrent and there's a small chance that an innocent man might be sentenced to death.
It's better to make those mofos suffer a life in prison rather than give them an easy way out.
I am anti-death penalty because we will wind up putting innocent people to death. I also think there should be far less laws in general and that would cut plenty of costs from the prison system. I also think prisoners should be treated in a more humane fashion, though I know many would disagree with that. It's not right to keep someone locked in a box 23 hours a day. It's insanity.
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[QUOTE=Dresta]No, because:
1. Mistakes cannot be rectified, and there will always be mistakes.
2. I do not think the state should have the right and power to kill its citizens, no matter what they do, and i do not trust the state with such a power.
Though i deplore the current focus on rehabilitation with people who have committed acts so heinous that one should have no interest in their rehabilitation, and only in their permanent separation and isolation from the rest of society.
The best reason i can think of to justify the death penalty is that it provides a kind of cathartic release for society in that it has revenged itself on someone who so thoroughly cheated it. Human beings have always revelled in this kind of collective revenge.[/QUOTE]
yea but that's something inside of them. Like dude said THE MOST PAINFUL FASHION. haha, it's like wut. Like in the future it'll be some computer program where you get to press buttons and they are tortured. "Ok, I'm finished now... kill!"
I think a lot of people need to be killed. I think a lot of people who haven't murdered need to die because they do nothing positive. There really are a lot of people who do nothing but have a negative influence on every person they come into contact with.
The world is not ready to truly decide people's fates. So the death penalty is, as said, more of an appeasement of the crowd than anything else. As it has always been.
But there are way too many people in prison, we are paying for them to live. It's too bad they can't be forced to do more labor. Instead of killing them, a life of servitude might be better. I think people need to rehabilitate, but what they are doing isn't it. Dudes need to come to the answer themselves.
-Smak
[QUOTE=Dresta]:rolleyes:
Yeah, i'm sure granting such an arbitrary power to the state won't end badly and end up with innocent people getting a 'shot to the head'
In the real world things don't function so smoothly as in your dreamt up utopia where it is easy as pie to determine guilt and execute someone in the space of 3 months :facepalm[/QUOTE]
I didn't say everyone convicted of murder would get it. Only those guilty beyond any doubt. Take a guy like Ted Bundy. It took them 10 years to execute him. There was no way anyone would consider this guy innocent. He admitted to the murders right away, there was DNA evidence, why give the guy 10 years on the waiting list? Just a bullet to the head, burn the body and file the paperwork. Case closed, and another 1c in your pocket.
[QUOTE=D-FENS]I didn't say everyone convicted of murder would get it. Only those guilty beyond any doubt. Take a guy like Ted Bundy. It took them 10 years to execute him. There was no way anyone would consider this guy innocent. He admitted to the murders right away, there was DNA evidence, why give the guy 10 years on the waiting list? Just a bullet to the head, burn the body and file the paperwork. Case closed, and another 1c in your pocket.[/QUOTE]
You assume smart and rational people will be drawing this divide between who's guilty and who's [I]definitely [/I]guilty.
[QUOTE=joe]You assume smart and rational people will be drawing this divide between who's guilty and who's [I]definitely [/I]guilty.[/QUOTE]
There would need to be a diverse forum of educated people (democrats and republicans - you need to have about 40 people spread from different backgrounds vote on it) If that vote comes back at under 36, then it's no death penalty. 36 and over, death penalty.
[QUOTE=D-FENS]I always vote Green, and I believe in the death penalty. It needs to be fixed so that only people that have absolute evidence against them, e.g. a witness, a motive, AND firm DNA evidence should be killed. They should only have 3 months to mount a defense, and if they cannot prove they didn't do it (rape, murder, pedo acts etc) then they're dead. Gun shot to the head.
I don't approve of paying for lifelong criminals, and I don't believe in prisoner reform in violent criminals[/QUOTE]
Yes, except it would take decades and trillions of dollars in legal wrangling and legislation to tear down and rebuild the current legal system to recreate your China in a box execution system.
State killings are wrought with red tape and demand serious legal maneuvering ($$$).
Im against it. What would Batman do?
[QUOTE=joe] I also think prisoners should be treated in a more humane fashion [/QUOTE]
are you including there unrepentant, violent offenders like child rapists/murderers ?
[QUOTE=deja vu]I'm not in favor of the death penalty. I don't think it's a deterrent.[/QUOTE]
Simple as that. If it's not a deterrent, what's the point? The purpose of the prisons is to isolate dangerous people from society, not to kill people out of spite.
[QUOTE=joe]I am anti-death penalty because we will wind up putting innocent people to death. I also think there should be far less laws in general and that would cut plenty of costs from the prison system. I also think prisoners should be treated in a more humane fashion, though I know many would disagree with that. It's not right to keep someone locked in a box 23 hours a day. It's insanity.[/QUOTE]
Agree completely with this.