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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaGPzinXvY8[/url]
(warning extremely graphic)
14:35 they just execute a guy.
I still dont think its in american interests to help the Shia of Iraq gain control, but I am rooting for them.
Actually it would probably be best to split the country in 3. Give the kurds their area, the sunnis their area and the shia their area.
buncha hateful birds, the "tares" of the world
muslims are the devil..........May the earth one day be free from them, so others can live peacefully
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]Actually it would probably be best to split the country in 3. Give the kurds their area, the sunnis their area and the shia their area.[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't stop there. It never does.
[QUOTE=Derka]It wouldn't stop there. It never does.[/QUOTE]
ya, the only thing that would stop a civil war is a strong dictator like saddam, but its too late to establish a pro american dictator, so at this point im rooting for a partition of the country.
all that shit in the video................soon coming to a european country near you........... lets hope all the fagggots that love them so much are the first to get their throats slit, all the traitors and politicians that closed their eyes and promised there would be no problems and everyone would live happily together.........may they burn in hell, along with the fools who belived them.
[QUOTE=tomtucker]all that shit in the video................soon coming to a european country near you........... lets hope all the fagggots that love them so much are the first to get their throats slit, all the traitors and politicians that closed their eyes and promised there would be no problems and everyone would live happily together.........may they burn in hell, along with the fools who belived them.[/QUOTE]
The forbidden speech....Watch out or somebody will claim for you to be the next Breivik.
[QUOTE=tomtucker]all that shit in the video................soon coming to a european country near you........... lets hope all the fagggots that love them so much are the first to get their throats slit, all the traitors and politicians that closed their eyes and promised there would be no problems and everyone would live happily together.........may they burn in hell, along with the fools who belived them.[/QUOTE]
Thanks EU, keep the borders open.
[QUOTE=tomtucker]muslims are the devil..........May the earth one day be free from them, so others can live peacefully[/QUOTE]
Muslims are actually very peace driven people my dude. It's the extremists that are worrisome to the rest of the world...
Ottomans would have kept those bitches in line. Just saying.
So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.
I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch this terrorist group undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.
If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?
[QUOTE=highwhey]So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.
I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch this terrorist group undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.
If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?[/QUOTE]
The same dudes there calling terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan there arming in Syria.:facepalm
[QUOTE=highwhey]So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.
I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch this terrorist group undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.
If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?[/QUOTE]
Its a very complicated situation. On the surface the US should obviously fight the comicbookishly evil guys that murder, torture, crucify, etc people and post it on youtube.
ISIS does drive bys, they make fathers and sons dig graves for each other, etc. And the video tape it all.
With that said many US allies in the region are probably secretly rooting for ISIS. We have a lot of Sunni dictators in the region as allies, eg. Saudi arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc.
These powers fear the non sunni powers in the region, particularly Shia Iran. Who also happens to be opposed to many american interests. They support hezbollah and Assad's alawite dictatorship. Just a 2 weeks ago it looked like Iran would gain in influence in the region. Assad was winning and Iraq's shia majority had just won an election confirming their control. Obviously as the strongest non-sunni/shia power iran would wield great power in the region.
The rise of ISIS has hurt iranian prospects. All of a sudden their ally/client state of Assad's syria is on the defensive and Iraq's shia army (armed and trained by americans) ran and hid. (30,000 soldiers armed with assault rifles, body armor, tanks, APC, air support, etc ran from 800 ISIS fighters with aks, rpgs and cars)
Assad is also an enemy of america
Also al-Maliki discriminated against the sunnis. When we left Iraq, he was sharing power with sunnis. After we left he systematically purged them from the government. Sunni discontent with maliki is a big factor in them flocking to ISIS fighters.
[QUOTE=Done_And_Done]Muslims are actually very peace driven people my dude. It's the extremists that are worrisome to the rest of the world...[/QUOTE]
But I think those Muslims would still be peaceful people without their religion. The extremists wouldn't have a basis for their hatred. So we're better off without any religion.
[QUOTE=highwhey]So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.
I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch this terrorist group undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.
If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?[/QUOTE]
We no longer have a trillion dollar deficit. It's expected to be half of that this year.
I have no idea the point you are making about $400 vs the $17 trillion US debt. There doesn't seem to be any logic to it.
[QUOTE=Rodmantheman]The same dudes there calling terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan there arming in Syria.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
This applies if you think all Muslims are the same.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]ya, the only thing that would stop a civil war is a strong dictator like saddam, but its too late to establish a pro american dictator, so at this point im rooting for a partition of the country.[/QUOTE]
its always about whats best for america eh??
disgusting creature.
just as disgusting as the guys in the video you posted. but more subtle
[QUOTE=highwhey]So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.
I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch [B]this terrorist group [/B]undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.
If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?[/QUOTE]
Those arent simple terrorist, those jihadist, and they are probably being funded by U.S.'s buddies Saudi Arabia and Qatar
[QUOTE=Rodmantheman]The same dudes there calling terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan there arming in Syria.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
this
America doesnt give a shit abut any other country.
they attacked Iraq only to secure the oil and calm down the American people who wanted to see blood after 9/11. the government is also hugely controlled by the war industry and thats why they are so easy to invade countries.
just look at what they did to Libya.
attacked a country where 95% of the population BENEFITED from Gaddafi. Gaddafi made the country rich and spread the money under ALL people. he was a socialist. so America had to destroy him because successful socialism isn't allowed to exist.
now look at Syria. 200000 innocent people have already been killed there by a monster of a dictator and America refuses to give a shit.
Why?? because they don't benefit from invading it/destroying Assad.
America is the real devil, groups like Al-Quaida and Isis are only there minions:facepalm
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]This applies if you think all Muslims are the same.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://newsrescue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/usaid-alqaeda.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]Its a very complicated situation. On the surface the US should obviously fight the comicbookishly evil guys that murder, torture, crucify, etc people and post it on youtube.
ISIS does drive bys, they make fathers and sons dig graves for each other, etc. And the video tape it all.
With that said many US allies in the region are probably secretly rooting for ISIS. We have a lot of Sunni dictators in the region as allies, eg. Saudi arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc.
These powers fear the non sunni powers in the region, particularly Shia Iran. Who also happens to be opposed to many american interests. They support hezbollah and Assad's alawite dictatorship. Just a 2 weeks ago it looked like Iran would gain in influence in the region. Assad was winning and Iraq's shia majority had just won an election confirming their control. Obviously as the strongest non-sunni/shia power iran would wield great power in the region.
The rise of ISIS has hurt iranian prospects. All of a sudden their ally/client state of Assad's syria is on the defensive and Iraq's shia army (armed and trained by americans) ran and hid. (30,000 soldiers armed with assault rifles, body armor, tanks, APC, air support, etc ran from 800 ISIS fighters with aks, rpgs and cars)
Assad is also an enemy of america
Also al-Maliki discriminated against the sunnis. When we left Iraq, he was sharing power with sunnis. After we left he systematically purged them from the government. Sunni discontent with maliki is a big factor in them flocking to ISIS fighters.[/QUOTE]
This is not just ISIS doing the fighting. Baathist elements and tribal militias are part of this too. It's a second Sunni uprising against Maliki. So if Maliki/The Shia were gone these groups would be fighting each other for control. It's a temporary alliance.
As for Assad's alawite dictatorship, there's a growing body of thought that he has supported ISIS. When the rebellion started he freed a lot of Sunni Militants who then went into the fight against him, It helped him claim that the rebellion against him was 100% jihadi. Newsweek just [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631"]put something out on this.[/URL] Also Assad has been [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/world/middleeast/rebels-in-syria-claim-control-of-resources.html?_r=0"]buying oil from ISIS[/URL]
[QUOTE]The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is even selling fuel to the Assad government, lending weight to allegations by opposition leaders that it is secretly working with Damascus to weaken the other rebel groups and discourage international support for their cause.
Although there is no clear evidence of direct tactical coordination between the group and Mr. Assad, American officials say that his government has facilitated the group
[QUOTE=fiddy]Those arent simple terrorist, those jihadist, and they are probably being funded by U.S.'s buddies Saudi Arabia and Qatar[/QUOTE]
just had a German political explain in our national TV how its okay for Germany to keep exporting massive numbers of weapons into Arabian states even tho they end up in terrorists hands.
he stated that it
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]This is not just ISIS doing the fighting. Baathist elements and tribal militias are part of this too. It's a second Sunni uprising against Maliki. So if Maliki/The Shia were gone these groups would be fighting each other for control. It's a temporary alliance.
[B]As for Assad's alawite dictatorship, there's a growing body of thought that he has supported ISIS[/B]. When the rebellion started he freed a lot of Sunni Militants who then went into the fight against him, It helped him claim that the rebellion against him was 100% jihadi. Newsweek just [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631"]put something out on this.[/URL] Also Assad has been [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/world/middleeast/rebels-in-syria-claim-control-of-resources.html?_r=0"]buying oil from ISIS[/URL]
Syria's Assad accused of [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10585391/Syrias-Assad-accused-of-boosting-al-Qaeda-with-secret-oil-deals.html"]boosting al-Qaeda with secret oil deals[/URL][/QUOTE]
Its the Saudis, why would Assad support jihadist
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[QUOTE=Rodmantheman][IMG]http://newsrescue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/usaid-alqaeda.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
And what exactly does that photo show?
You can find US Aid tents throughout Pakistan and Afghanistan. In India, Thailand, the Philippines etc.
You do know there's about 3 million Syria refugees from the War right. They live in camps like this.
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[QUOTE=fiddy]Its the Saudis, why would Assad support jihadist[/QUOTE]
Because it complicates and undercuts any rationale to fund his opponents. Because it forces Alawites to choose him for protection and then he gets to portray himself as the heroic last defense against the jihadis.
Why at the revolution broke out would he clear his jails of militants like this?
Dictator's don't think the way others do..........actually here's someone making the same point
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Because it complicates and undercuts any rationale to fund his opponents. Because it forces Alawites to choose him for protection and then he gets to portray himself as the heroic last defense against the jihadis.
Why at the revolution broke out would he clear his jails of militants like this?
Dictator's don't think the way others do..........actually here's someone making the same point
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UgcnxaNdMHg/UccB_evOwOI/AAAAAAAAARE/zQB0AW7mOWs/s1600/bashar+the+bad+guy.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
If he was a dictator he would have been over thrown you idiot most of the population support him:hammerhead:
[QUOTE=Rodmantheman]If he was a dictator he would have been over thrown you idiot most of the population support him:hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Lots of folks supported Saddam Hussein as well, do you think he wasn't a dictator?
Do you think the three year + rebellion is because he is so supported by his people? Do you think none of the opposition is domestic?
Remind me again in 2011 before Assad's crackdown, were this people coming out to protest Assad or support Assad.
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[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan][B]ya, the only thing that would stop a civil war is a strong dictator like saddam[/B], but its too late to establish a pro american dictator, so at this point im rooting for a partition of the country.[/QUOTE]
If only he wasn't getting ready to attack the US with weapons of mass destruction. Oh well, I'm sure the war wasn't a complete waste and everything will work itself out.
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]its always about whats best for america eh??
disgusting creature.
just as disgusting as the guys in the video you posted. but more subtle[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: I honestly believe a pro american dictator would have yielded the best practical results for the iraqi people.
We are fine in america either way. If iraq explodes in a civil war it wont affect us in america in any meaningful way, except increasing gas prices.
This civil war will cost many lives and displaces many others. Its kind of our fault for cracking the lid on the pressure cooker, by getting rid of Saddam unleashing the volatile sectarian ambitions
the worst case scenario is that what is happening in Iraq triggers a massive war between the Sunni Powers in the region and Iran, Assad's syria and shia iraq. that would be a tragedy, and the primal reason for it will have been the bush administrations poor management of the occupation of Iraq
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]:rolleyes: I honestly believe a pro american dictator would have yielded the best practical results for the iraqi people.
We are fine in america either way. [B]If iraq explodes in a civil war it wont affect us in america in any meaningful way, except increasing gas prices.
[/B]
This civil war will cost many lives and displaces many others. Its kind of our fault for cracking the lid on the pressure cooker, by getting rid of Saddam unleashing the volatile sectarian ambitions
the worst case scenario is that what is happening in Iraq triggers a massive war between the Sunni Powers in the region and Iran, Assad's syria and shia iraq. that would be a tragedy, and the primal reason for it will have been the bush administrations poor management of the occupation of Iraq[/QUOTE]
you are truly disgusting.
you guys killed Saddam and his regime, who were the only reason for the middle east to be somewhat stable.
YOU are the reason those disgusting terrorists now can take over TWO countries and kill INNOCENT people.
doesnt that fell bad at all?? oh wait its not affecting America so i guess not:facepalm
sorry for ran t now after i read your entire post i shouldnt have ranted like that.
at least you admit that it is Bushs fault.
but Obama is not really any better.
running out of Iraq only because he promised it when he got elected.
why not close Guantanamo first you dumb nikka(Obama)??
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]you are truly disgusting.
you guys killed Saddam and his regime, who were the only reason for the middle east to be somewhat stable.
YOU are the reason those disgusting terrorists now can take over TWO countries and kill INNOCENT people.
doesnt that fell bad at all?? oh wait its not affecting America so i guess not:facepalm
sorry for ran t now after i read your entire post i shouldnt have ranted like that.
at least you admit that it is Bushs fault.
but Obama is not really any better.
running out of Iraq only because he promised it when he got elected.
why not close Guantanamo first you dumb nikka(Obama)??[/QUOTE]
My point was america is going to be fine either way, one of the main reasons I think assigning a pro american dictator in Iraq would have been a good idea is because I legitimately think it would benefit the innocent people of Iraq and the whole region.
American foreign policy is selfish, no doubt, but america is overall a moral country and would lead to better outcomes in the long run imo. Eg. how we ran the occupation of Japan after WW2
How I rank the possible outcomes in this situation:
1. establish a pro american moderate sunni dictator. An Iraqi Hosni Mubarak basically.
IMO ideally we would have kept in place Saddam's military and the Baath party. The Baath party had all the experienced technocrats and Saddam had one of the strongest armies in the middle east (they tied with Iran during the iraqi-iran war)
We would have chosen a moderate among the sunni elite, a non-crazy person.
Iraqis would benefit because the order that would have been kept in place by not dismantling the military and government institutions. Also the guy we chose would have been less crazy than saddam, Qusay, or Uday.
Eg. the rape rooms would have been gotten rid of.
2. Leave Saddam in power. Saddams crazy sons (read up on them, they were worse than he was) would have also been left in power.
3. what we actually did, push for democratic elections, which inevitably would have resulted in civil war given the historical and demographic context of Iraq
No matter how you cut it, religion is and always will be the downfall of mankind.
Hate to state the obvious, but people are people.
If it isn't religion, it's drugs, politics, money, power etc. etc.
These people will use whatever they can to justify their deplorable acts. Nobody is truly innocent, almost every country has had their fare share of savage behavior and sick way of justifying their actions.
Sadly, people follow, people blame/point finger, people be people.
[QUOTE=Fawker]the mutts of the word. like black people here.[/QUOTE]
or white people just about everywhere else, specially history.
[QUOTE=andgar923]or white people just about everywhere else, specially history.[/QUOTE]
Look at Australia before and after. How dare those evil imperialists bring schools, technology, and hospitals to the lands they colonized.
Not every place was the Belgian Congo...And let's be real here, Belgium should never have entered the race in the first place.
ISIL, another byproduct of the "Arabic Spring" supported by the west, composed in a large part of European fighters.
The most brutal, the most barbaric, the most Islamic. Sickening the way we have facilitated this suffering in the Middle East and sickening the way ISIL has the support of the majority of the Muslims in the west.
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]you are truly disgusting.
[B]you guys killed Saddam [/B]and his regime, who were the only reason for the middle east to be somewhat stable.
YOU are the reason those disgusting terrorists now can take over TWO countries and kill INNOCENT people.
doesnt that fell bad at all?? oh wait its not affecting America so i guess not:facepalm
sorry for ran t now after i read your entire post i shouldnt have ranted like that.
at least you admit that it is Bushs fault.
but Obama is not really any better.
running out of Iraq only because he promised it when he got elected.
why not close Guantanamo first you dumb nikka(Obama)??[/QUOTE]
no, that was donald rumsfelt and bush.........not the US population
[QUOTE=LJJ]ISIL, another byproduct of the "Arabic Spring" supported by the west, [B]composed in a large part of European fighters[/B].
The most brutal, the most barbaric, the most Islamic. Sickening the way we have facilitated this suffering in the Middle East and sickening the way ISIL has the support of the majority of the Muslims in the west.[/QUOTE]
and when they are tired they go back to the euro country they live in, to rest , and continue to collect some wellfare and child support money.........nice to have shit like that in europe, thank you euro goverments and islam-loving bitches