Duncan & Ginobili are locks. How about Parker?
4x NBA Champion
2007 NBA Finals MVP
6x NBA All-Star
3x All-NBA 2nd Team
1x All-NBA 3rd Team
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Duncan & Ginobili are locks. How about Parker?
4x NBA Champion
2007 NBA Finals MVP
6x NBA All-Star
3x All-NBA 2nd Team
1x All-NBA 3rd Team
yes
WAHHH? LOL :lol
Legit question: how many Finals MVP's havent made/arent likely to make the HOF
2nd part: if the answer is none, does anyone think Kawhi Leonard may be the first Finals MVP not to make the HOF. (obviously too early to tell, but its worth a prediction)
No question. First European-born player to receive NBA Finals MVP.
Yes. This kind of question shouldn't even be asked :lol
Tony Parker is a lock to make the Hall of Fame.
Heck Yeah!!!!
[QUOTE=Levity]Legit question: how many Finals MVP's havent made/arent likely to make the HOF
[B]2nd part: if the answer is none, does anyone think Kawhi Leonard may be the first Finals MVP not to make the HOF. (obviously too early to tell, but its worth a prediction)[/B][/QUOTE]
Worth noting, Kawhi also earned All-Defensive team placement, probably one of many more to come. Good question none the less.
And yes Parker is in. Mitch Richmond just made it, Parker is at least in the same tier if not higher. Plus international accomplishments.
[QUOTE=Levity]Legit question: how many Finals MVP's havent made/arent likely to make the HOF
2nd part: if the answer is none, does anyone think Kawhi Leonard may be the first Finals MVP not to make the HOF. (obviously too early to tell, but its worth a prediction)[/QUOTE]
Cornbread Maxwell
Getting into the NBA HoF is a joke...and once they let Mitch Richmond in, this should not have been a question.
Parker is a lock tbh. Carmelo Anthony is a lock. :oldlol:
Yes. Basketball HOF isnt even that good.
Yes, he's a HOFer without question.
I will say though, it's some pretty weak shit that he's a certain future HOFer despite the fact that:
1) More often than not, he gets outplayed or embarrassed by other top-tier PGs in the game. He's had 3 acceptable/good games for a HOF player in his last 9 meetings (last 3 seasons) with Westbrook, 4 acceptable/good games in the past 5 seasons against CP3 (out of 13 meetings).
2) There's been visible and statistical evidence of his team performing better without him, in his prime. Conference finals and a decent chunk of the finals can support this.
3) He didn't win FMVP in a title run in his prime, in a team where he should've clearly been the best player. And it wasn't a Pippen scenario in which he lost it to the GOAT, he lost it to a 22 year old 3rd season player.
He's definitely a HOF player, but the basketball HOF is an utter joke when TP is a 100% lock and not even [I]debatable[/I].
:facepalm
[QUOTE=Collie]Cornbread Maxwell[/QUOTE]
Jo Jo as well
Well Chauncey will probably make it and Parker has a better case than he does.
He is a HOF...
Is he better than Tim Hardaway or Sidney Moncrief (SG but still)?
A related question is how much team accomplishments should and postseason awards should factor into it.
Hardaway and Moncrief were never in a finals, so they didn't get a chance to win FMVP.
[QUOTE=Milbuck]Yes, he's a HOFer without question.
I will say though, it's some pretty weak shit that he's a certain future HOFer despite the fact that:
1) More often than not, he gets outplayed or embarrassed by other top-tier PGs in the game. He's had 3 acceptable/good games for a HOF player in his last 9 meetings (last 3 seasons) with Westbrook, 4 acceptable/good games in the past 5 seasons against CP3 (out of 13 meetings).
2) There's been visible and statistical evidence of his team performing better without him, in his prime. Conference finals and a decent chunk of the finals can support this.
3) He didn't win FMVP in a title run in his prime, in a team where he should've clearly been the best player. And it wasn't a Pippen scenario in which he lost it to the GOAT, he lost it to a 22 year old 3rd season player.
He's definitely a HOF player, but the basketball HOF is an utter joke when TP is a 100% lock and not even [I]debatable[/I].[/QUOTE]
Parker-led teams have consistently knocked out the best point guard's teams his whole career: Williams, Billups, Nash, Paul, and now Lilliard and Westbrook. He led the Spurs throughout the playoffs again this season and even led them in scoring in the Finals (even though he wasn't the Spurs overall best player in that series or in OKC due to injury). And how many PGs won FMVP in their prime? (if we're not including 2007 as Parker's prime)
Obv
Parker has a good chance to set the record for most playoff wins of all time as well.
Yes and he won't be the worst of them either.. Derrick rose will already make it with his map, Billups will make it.. Go look at the HOF. Nobody would even know half the players in there since they're all no names from 50s-70s outside the few names people recognize.
[QUOTE=ninephive]Parker-led teams have consistently knocked out the best point guard's teams his whole career: Williams, Billups, Nash, Paul, and now Lilliard and Westbrook. He led the Spurs throughout the playoffs again this season and even led them in scoring in the Finals (even though he wasn't the Spurs overall best player in that series or in OKC due to injury). And how many PGs won FMVP in their prime? (if we're not including 2007 as Parker's prime)[/QUOTE]
How many of those series did he outplay the opposing point guard?
Curious as I dont know. Parker clearly regressed this season though.
[QUOTE=T_L_P]Getting into the NBA HoF is a joke...and once they let Mitch Richmond in, this should not have been a question.
Parker is a lock tbh. Carmelo Anthony is a lock. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Its not the nba hall of fame.....its the basketball hof.
It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Talent or achievement. So yes he'll probably make it in.
He'd be a first ballot lock for the Hall of Worthless [COLOR="Black"]C[/COLOR]unts if one existed
[QUOTE=navy]How many of those series did he outplay the opposing point guard?
Curious as I dont know. Parker clearly regressed this season though.[/QUOTE]
I'd have to go back and look at individual series to say.
In regards to regressing, you do know he had somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 injuries this season, not to mention the playoffs, right?
[QUOTE=BasedTom]It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Talent or achievement. So yes he'll probably make it in.
He'd be a first ballot lock for the Hall of Worthless [COLOR="Black"]C[/COLOR]unts if one existed[/QUOTE]
Is the fact that Parker is 11-5 against Lebron in the Finals that has you mad or something else about him?
[QUOTE=ninephive]I'd have to go back and look at individual series to say.
In regards to regressing, you do know he had somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 injuries this season, not to mention the playoffs, right?[/QUOTE]
Matters when you play on a team where you are never the clear cut best player. :confusedshrug:
He will have the same problems next year. That's regression.
of course he is in
[QUOTE=navy]Matters when you play on a team where you are never the clear cut best player. :confusedshrug:
He will have the same problems next year. That's regression.[/QUOTE]
Ok, he was the only All-Star on the team (selected by coaches). Clear-cut? Maybe not, but he's been the best player on the team for at least the past 5 years, arguably longer. He continues to get better every season as a leader and in terms of bball IQ, along with his jumper, 3 point shot, and ability to finish in the paint. He won't be as fast as he was in 2007, but he continues to play as good as ever and has consistently been in MVP talks the past several years until injuries put him out of contention. Just because he plays through ankle injuries in the playoffs shouldn't be taken out of consideration when evaluating him. But if you want to ignore his injuries, go ahead if it makes you feel better.
[QUOTE=ninephive]Parker-led teams have consistently knocked out the best point guard's teams his whole career: Williams, Billups, Nash, Paul, and now Lilliard and Westbrook. He led the Spurs throughout the playoffs again this season and even led them in scoring in the Finals (even though he wasn't the Spurs overall best player in that series or in OKC due to injury). And how many PGs won FMVP in their prime? (if we're not including 2007 as Parker's prime)[/QUOTE]
He was at best third place for fmvp this year, and he was shooting for it in game 5 just couldn't get it done, was also terrible in the last finals, got outplayed in every game by westbrook in wcf then in game 6 they took him out at the half down dbl digits and came back to win with him on the bench. Just seems strange for a hof lock to never have been allnba first team but guess some of that has to do with being from outside of the u.s
this thread and the T-Mac thread are both retarded......of course they will, but will they get in as first ballots. if not then getting into the HoF is really pointless
parker and manu have carried this franchise to titles in 2005,2007,2014 = hall of fame lock
[QUOTE=pastis]parker and manu have carried this franchise to titles in 2005,2007,2014 = hall of fame lock[/QUOTE]
Manu shot 25% in a series and the Spurs practically swept.
Carrying. :roll:
[QUOTE=Levity]
2nd part: if the answer is none, does anyone think Kawhi Leonard may be the first Finals MVP not to make the HOF. (obviously too early to tell, but its worth a prediction)[/QUOTE]
Baring injuries, Kawhi will make HOF. 1st ring and FMVP at the age of 22 is just the beginning. If Spurs repeat, Kawhi will get [I]another [/I]FMVP, and he wont be in his prime yet either, let this sink in.
Speaking of FMVP, neither C.Maxwell nor Billups will make HOF.
[QUOTE=pastis]parker and manu have carried this franchise to titles in 2005,2007,2014 = hall of fame lock[/QUOTE]
Where were Parker and Manu in last year's Finals?
[QUOTE=joeyjoejoe]He was at best third place for fmvp this year, and he was shooting for it in game 5 just couldn't get it done, was also terrible in the last finals, got outplayed in every game by westbrook in wcf then in game 6 they took him out at the half down dbl digits and came back to win with him on the bench. Just seems strange for a hof lock to never have been allnba first team but guess some of that has to do with being from outside of the u.s[/QUOTE]
I've said it before...the only way Parker starts getting all-star starts and All-NBA first teams is if (1) Chris Paul learns how to win, which will inevitably lower his stat-padding, (2) Tony Parker learns how to lose, which will inevitably jack up his stats, or (3) Parker gets traded to a bottom feeder or even mediocre team (like Paul's Clippers) where he can pad like crazy.
[QUOTE=T_L_P]Getting into the NBA HoF is a joke...and once they let Mitch Richmond in, this should not have been a question.
Parker is a lock tbh. Carmelo Anthony is a lock. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Everything about that comment :facepalm
Agree HoF is kinda pointless the way its used, but your reasons, no.
[B]Definitely.[/B]
[QUOTE=Collie]Cornbread Maxwell[/QUOTE]
[B]Yes.
Better question would be: how many FMVP's are not yet in the HoF but definitely deserve to be?... Answer would be Jo Jo White. Cornbread was a really good player and won FMVP (that should've went to Bird) but not really a HoF'er, at all.[/B]
[QUOTE=Artillery]Where were Parker and Manu in last year's Finals?[/QUOTE]
Where was Parker? He was running the offense as usual, holding Chalmers and Cole to terrible shooting numbers, leading the team in scoring in games 1 & 5, second on the team overall in scoring, leading the team in assists, hitting the game-clinching miracle shot in G1, having one of the biggest sequences in Finals history in the last 2 minutes of G6 (tying 3 over Lebron, steal, go-ahead leaner over Chalmers, outlet to Manu for free throws twice to seal the game...and then on the bench at the end of OT for some reason, just like how Duncan got benched in regulation), and then playing through injury in G7 (the whole series really, but it kept getting progressively worse). That's where Parker was last year. Oh, and defending the Lebron AND Allen 3s at the end of regulation in G6 when no one else could seem to guard them.