Do you have a problem with the botched executions that have occurred recently?

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This guy Joesph Wood, murdered his girlfriend and her father in 1989.

His death took more than an hour, due to the botched execution. (european nations are refusing to sell us the drug used in lethal injections, and we are experimenting with new drugs)

I personally feel no sympathy to Wood, and dont have a problem with him dying in pain. TBH i preferred that he died in pain.

The victim's family was happy that Wood was executed.

How do you guys feel about it?

no, I don't have a problem with it.

who cares if they were going to execute him anyways and it was only one hour of suffering that was accidental.

the prison system in general needs an overhaul though.

I think it sucks. The rule is intended for it to be a painless execution. This guys pain brings nothing to us or his victims family. Either it is done properly or it isnt, and clearly this wasnt.

[QUOTE=russwest0]no, I don't have a problem with it.

[B]who cares if they were going to execute him anyways and it was only one hour of suffering that was accidental.[/B]

the prison system in general needs an overhaul though.[/QUOTE]
about how I feel. it was only about an hour, he caused a lifetime of suffering for the victims' family.

Why is Europe refusing to sell us those drugs? Oh because they don't have the death penalty. Like normal people.

The problem I have with executions is aren't they like really expensive to do because people are extremely worried about doing it "humane" and shit like that?

Basically the moral f[COLOR="Black"]ag[/COLOR]s are making executions cost a ridiculous price when they could be done for a fraction of the price.

If they really wanted it to be painless, then a bullet to the dome would be the way it's done.

They just want it to be done so it doesn't LOOK like they're suffering. Hence put to sleep and poison.

[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]Why is Europe refusing to sell us those drugs? Oh because they don't have the death penalty. Like normal people.[/QUOTE]
the euros are so cruel, those poor murderers would have died painless deaths, but for the heartless euros that doomed them to being executed via experimental drugs.

[COLOR="White"]Seriously though, why is the death penalty not normal?[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Droid101]If they really wanted it to be painless, then a bullet to the dome would be the way it's done.

They just want it to be done so it doesn't LOOK like they're suffering. Hence put to sleep and poison.[/QUOTE]
agreed, china handles executions the right way.

Bullet to the head, charge the family of the criminal for the cost of the execution, and (allegedly) taking the organs to give to needy people.

Shit I wanna go via taking 20 pills of ecstasy :lol :lol :lol

Imagine how shitty that would feel. Total loss of body function control, seizures, extreme overheating, foaming at the mouth and intense vomiting... you would basically just cook from the inside out until you died from heart failure.

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]agreed, china handles executions the right way.

Bullet to the head, [B]charge the family of the criminal for the cost of the execution, [/B]and (allegedly) taking the organs to give to needy people.[/QUOTE]


That aint right unless its money/possessions of his that were endowed to them by virtue of his death. But Im ok with everything else.

Also as far as this execution, its hard to say without knowing the specifics of the case.

My position is that people who go on rampage killings and people who are caught red handed without a shadow of a doubt committing a murder should be offed quickly and inexpensively. In cases where the evidence is circumstantial (like the aaron hernandez case, altho I do believe hes guilty) or with mitigating factors involved (someone killing a long-time abuser etc) there should be no possibility of the death penalty.


We waste way too much money trying to "look" thorough and humane as another poster mentioned. The shit needs to be simple and logical, and people need to just accept it. We're doing too much to appease the ACLosers.

Clint said it best: "It's a hell of a thing killing a man... You take away all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have." So in that vein, regardless of the crime, I don't think it's necessary to exacerbate the execution unnecessarily.

I don't, however, care enough about convicted murderers' rights to take a serious stand on it.

[QUOTE=ShannonElements]If we as a society determine someone must die in a certain manner, then we make it WAY worse than intended, we are going beyond the agreed upon punishment and it ain't right.

[B]Let's just switch to the guillotine, those things don't **** up[/B].[/QUOTE]

Came to post this.

People dont always die right away after they get beheaded though. Sometimes the head survives for a few minutes, and no one can ever imagine how that feels. Its probably way worse than what this guy went through.

i think its a oxymoron to have compassion for someone you sentence to the death penalty. he obviously did something awful to deserve public execution and you're giving him something awful, but then you care if he suffers from dying :facepalm

i mean are all of these compassionate people against the death penalty to begin with?

[QUOTE=sweggeh]People dont always die right away after they get beheaded though. Sometimes the head survives for a few minutes[/QUOTE]
:biggums:

[QUOTE=Godzuki]i mean are all of these compassionate people against the death penalty to begin with?[/QUOTE]
I have a problem with this and I am against the death penalty.

[QUOTE=ShannonElements][B]Well then why not just torture them for a year before executing them then[/B]? May as well get rid of their last meal and shit too.[/QUOTE]


Because youd have to have other people perform the torture and thats not something you want to encourage or condone as a society. But that last meal shit is bullshit. Theres fukcing honest, innocent Americans who never get to eat a meal that good, and we're fukcing catering meals for convicted murderers??? :facepalm


Honestly I dont know how someone walking to their execution can keep a big ass meal like that down anyhow.

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]about how I feel. it was only about an hour, he caused a lifetime of suffering for the victims' family.[/QUOTE]

Was that hour of suffering included in the sentence?

[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]Why is Europe refusing to sell us those drugs? Oh because they don't have the death penalty. Like normal people.[/QUOTE]

Europe is in shambles

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Because youd have to have other people perform the torture and thats not something you want to encourage or condone as a society. But that last meal shit is bullshit. Theres fukcing honest, innocent Americans who never get to eat a meal that good, and we're fukcing catering meals for convicted murderers??? :facepalm


Honestly I dont know how someone walking to their execution can keep a big ass meal like that down anyhow.[/QUOTE]

Dude... a person is going to lose their life in a matter of minutes, why begrudge them a damn meal? Its not like they have been chilling this whole time they have been in prison with no good food for decades while they waited for their execution.

[QUOTE=travelingman]Was that hour of suffering included in the sentence?[/QUOTE]


Apparently it was included in God's sentence.

[QUOTE=sweggeh]Dude... a person is going to lose their life in a matter of minutes, why begrudge them a damn meal? Its not like they have been chilling this whole time they have been in prison with no good food for decades while they waited for their execution.[/QUOTE]


maybe because they did something incredibly awful, and somehow people think they deserve rewards? :wtf:

[QUOTE=ShannonElements]Well then why not just torture them for a year before executing them then? May as well get rid of their last meal and shit too.

It's wrong in the sense that we came to an agreement as a society regarding the punishment the person deserved then went above and beyond that.[/QUOTE]


i guess i should read the death penalty agreement we came to since i always thought it was just certain states being able to kill people instead of only incarcerate.

i'd be all for torturing for a year, in fact the victims family should get them tied up in some prison cell and do whatever they want to them. to me that would be justice.

it might actually make killers scared to kill knowing what they're in for....criminals don't really care because we're way too soft.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Apparently it was included in God's sentence.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Akrazotile]
Honestly I dont know how someone walking to their execution can keep a big ass meal like that down anyhow.[/QUOTE]
They're not always big!

Here's a list of all the last meals:

[url]http://web.archive.org/web/20031202214318/http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/finalmeals.htm[/url]

And here are a few from the list:

(Can't keep this down)
Two 16 oz. ribeyes, one lb. turkey breast (sliced thin), twelve strips of bacon, two large hamburgers with mayo, onion, and lettuce, two large baked potatoes with butter, sour cream, cheese, and chives, four slices of cheese or one-half pound of grated cheddar cheese, chef salad with blue cheese dressing, two ears of corn on the cob, one pint of mint chocolate chip ice cream, and four vanilla Cokes or Mr. Pibb

(Can keep this down)
None requested

(Other Neat Ones)
One cup of hot tea (from tea bags) and six chocolate chip cookies
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Cool Whip and cherries
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One pot of coffee
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French fries, five pieces of fried chicken, and three Dr. Peppers
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1 bag of assorted Jolly Ranchers
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(The troll of this particular prison)
God's saving grace, love, truth, peace and freedom
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Ice cream
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Two boxes of frosted flakes and a pint of milk

I don't have a problem with botched executions, I have a problem with executions in general. It is a part of this world, and it isn't something I agree with.

[QUOTE=ShannonElements]A reward would be l "oh you killed that family? Congrats, here's a hundred dollars."

Do you also think giving them book is a reward? Or letting them speak to their family? Why grant them any lenience at all? Just keep them in a pitch black concrete room and only give them enough food, water, and medical attention to survive until their big day. Let them sit in their own piss and shit too.

Ultimately they spend years imprisoned only to be executed; I fail to see how that constitutes a "reward."[/QUOTE]


anything to make them happy or content is a reward. they don't deserve that. i don't get the thought process of why you feel people who have committed the worst of human acts deserve that at all....

are you religious? i'm thinking maybe your rationale is they'll get what they deserve in hell?

otherwise their death row and execution should be 'hell'..since i don't really believe they're going to a 'hell'.

and honestly if the death penalty was painless, they're getting off WAY too ez.

[QUOTE=ShannonElements]Their punishment is death. Spending years in prison knowing you're going to be executed, and living with the guilt of what you've done, what your friends and family must think of you, all of that shit weighing on your conscience as you just count the days until you're put down, again, in prison...sounds pretty hellish to me even if certain small privileges are granted.

And no, I'm not religious.[/QUOTE]


you're banking on they reflect and have a conscience. i'd think the last people in this world to have one are people on death row. i'm sure in some cases there are killers who are sincerely remorseful but in general i'd think not most...and i'm sure there are some who are laughing in everyones face, including the victims family.

death can be a reward to some people who are tortured by life. EZ pain free death can be a blessing. ever hear of clean edge sword death? they always say that is a good death in stuff like GoT and those ancient times shows...i don't believe death in itself is that much of a penalty. tortured painful death is tho guaranteed.

i mean just picture someone murdering your parents cruelly, or your kid. Are you really okay with a pain free death and thats it? where he died content after a last meal and just having accepted God from a Chaplain?

[QUOTE=ShannonElements]Their punishment is death. Spending years in prison knowing you're going to be executed, and living with the guilt of what you've done, what your friends and family must think of you, all of that shit weighing on your conscience as you just count the days until you're put down, again, in prison...sounds pretty hellish to me even if certain small privileges are granted.

And no, I'm not religious.

Edit - I'm not saying these people [I]deserve[/I] anything. Just that I think the punishment is enough, and that going above and beyond the sentence we legally handed down is wrong. If that's worth nothing then we may as well put you in charge of this shit.[/QUOTE]
This would be solved if we could just put a bullet through their skull. There are some people out there who do the most sickening things imaginable. My belief is at this point is just take their life, they don't deserve to live. That doesn't mean wait a few days, weeks or whatever it is. Once it's decided take them into a back room and pull the trigger. I don't care if that's 'easier' because it's over for them faster, I just know the world is a better place without them.

[QUOTE=Godzuki]you're banking on they reflect and have a conscience. i'd think the last people in this world to have one are people on death row. i'm sure in some cases there are killers who are sincerely remorseful but in general i'd think not most...and i'm sure there are some who are laughing in everyones face, including the victims family.

death can be a reward to some people who are tortured by life. EZ pain free death can be a blessing. ever hear of clean edge sword death? they always say that is a good death in stuff like GoT and those ancient times shows...i don't believe death in itself is that much of a penalty. tortured painful death is tho guaranteed.

i mean just picture someone murdering your parents cruelly, or your kid. Are you really okay with a pain free death and thats it? where he died content after a last meal and just having accepted God from a Chaplain?[/QUOTE]
What you're saying is irrelevant. They weren't sentenced to an hour of suffering, so it's a problem.

[QUOTE=ShannonElements]A reward would be l "oh you killed that family? Congrats, here's a hundred dollars."

[B]Do you also think giving them book is a reward? Or letting them speak to their family?[/B] Why grant them any lenience at all? Just keep them in a pitch black concrete room and only give them enough food, water, and medical attention to survive until their big day. Let them sit in their own piss and shit too.

Ultimately they spend years imprisoned only to be executed; I fail to see how that constitutes a "reward."[/QUOTE]


Those are basic allowances so they can keep their sanity. An expertly prepared, delicious cuisine is a luxury they should not be afforded. Unless there is some sort of practical psychological benefit that makes then more serene on a full stomach as theyre being taken to the gurney.

Both victims were killed in 1989.............and he got executed in 2014............. :facepalm

[QUOTE=dazzer87]Both victims were killed in 1989.............and he got executed in 2014............. :facepalm[/QUOTE]


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