Religion aside, abortion is wrong. All babies deserve a chance to live

whether you're ready or not, stable or poor, you can not get rid of these embryos of clean slate minds.

you also shouldn't *********e. those sperm cells deserve the chance to latch onto an egg and morph into an embryo -> fetus -> baby

*********ion is murder

I can't disagree.

babies don't have the capability to harm others yet.

You really want another person with an 80 IQ reproducing even further?

We need to take every measure possible to keep the birth rate down.

OP I hope you aren't mad, but I just fapped and ruined the future lives of a couple hundred children.

[QUOTE=russwest0]OP I hope you aren't mad, but I just fapped and ruined the future lives of a couple hundred children.[/QUOTE]

Not the same thing. I'm with OP.

A woman is in charge of her own body. Butt out.

[QUOTE=Droid101]A woman is in charge of her own body. Butt out.[/QUOTE]
Whenever I hear this the word bullshit comes to my mind. The life inside her is indeed part of her body, but it's also a separate entity at the same time.

I often wonder how abortion supporting women would feel if they could travel to an alternate time and see their mothers aborting them simply because getting pregnant was an inconvenience of their lives.

Yeah abortion is wrong. Hoes gettin pregnant cause they cant keep their panties on and then killing babies like its nothing, makes me sick.

[QUOTE=Meticode]Whenever I hear this the word bullshit comes to my mind. The life inside her is indeed part of her body, but it's also a separate entity at the same time.

I often wonder how abortion supporting women would feel if they could travel to an alternate time and see their mothers aborting them simply because getting pregnant was an inconvenience of their lives.[/QUOTE]

if that were the case they wouldn't be able to feel anything because they would have never been born.

[QUOTE=Meticode]Whenever I hear this the word bullshit comes to my mind. The life inside her is indeed part of her body, but it's also a separate entity at the same time.

I often wonder how abortion supporting women would feel if they could travel to an alternate time and see their mothers aborting them simply because getting pregnant was an inconvenience of their lives.[/QUOTE]

Yeah exactly. How can you deny someone life just because you feel you arent ready to take care of a kid?

[QUOTE=russwest0]if that were the case they wouldn't be able to feel anything because they would have never been born.[/QUOTE]

I wont feel anything if I die in my sleep tonight. But I would still be pissed if it happened.

[QUOTE=russwest0]if that were the case they wouldn't be able to feel anything because they would have never been born.[/QUOTE]
It's hypothetical. For example you're an abortion supporting mother, and you find out your mom actually went through to have an abortion with you, but the abortion was botched, it failed and you lived, then she decided to keep you.

If you support abortion as a mother, and you found out your mom actually wanted to abort you and went through with it and it failed, how does that make you feel that you shouldn't be alive right now?

How would you see your mother? Would you feel the same way about abortion? In [I]most[/I] cases abortion is a very selfish thing to do in-my-opinion. Especially here in the U.S. since most abortions are simply because the pregnancy and a baby would be an inconvenience on the life of the mother, father or both. It's pretty sad to me.

I generally don't agree with it. But in some situations it's probably a good thing. The planet doesn't need more stupid people & kids shouldn't be born into messed up homes.

I understand your guys viewpoint as I was once there but I have just evolved beyond that mindset. There are 7 billion fukks on this world and that number is rapidly growing everyday. It appears we are the only animal that gives this big of a shit about this type of thing, as others just understand and accept death as a part of life.

If a woman wants to abort the fetus before it even has a heartbeat, then I see zero problem. No harm is done to an unborn baby that isn't even consciously aware yet.

And don't feed me that "potential to live shit" because then I'll just refute that with my jizz.

[QUOTE=KNOW1EDGE]The planet doesn't need more stupid people & kids shouldn't be born into messed up homes.[/QUOTE]
If that's the case I'm sure many kids that were born into messed up homes went on with their lives just fine. I wasn't a planned baby. My mother was 17 with me, I grew up in low-income housing around drugs and crime. My father was a constant cheater on my mom and she only kept him around because of financial reasons. It was a very dysfunctional home-life. But yet I still went to high school, I still made honor roll, I still contributed to society in a positive manner, I graduated, I got married, I had a child.

Simply assuming a child wouldn't prosper because of the current/ dim situation isn't grounds for me personally to justify taking the chance of life away from someone.

If a higher power came to me before I was born and said "Wayne, you're going to be born here, but you have two choices. You can be born, but you have a 50% chance of being in a messed up situation or a 50% chance of being in a good situation. Do you still want to be born?"

I would take the chance to be born every single time, but unfortunately that's not the way it is. The mothers and fathers who abort because of things like inconvenience or not the best situations are livestock.

[QUOTE=russwest0]I understand your guys viewpoint as I was once there but I have just evolved beyond that mindset. There are 7 billion fukks on this world and that number is rapidly growing everyday. It appears we are the only animal that gives this big of a shit about this type of thing, as others just understand and accept death as a part of life.

If a woman wants to abort the fetus before it even has a heartbeat, then I see zero problem. No harm is done to an unborn baby that isn't even consciously aware yet.

And don't feed me that "potential to live shit" because then I'll just refute that with my jizz.[/QUOTE]
There's conception and not conception. Semen coming out or your pen[COLOR="Black"]i[/COLOR]s onto your hands and stomach isn't conception. I'm anti morning after pill as well. It's beta.

We spend billions of dollars trying to prevent shitty DNA from destroying the earth. It's incredible. We allow any idiot, any absolute idiot to have as many kids as they want and we support these idiots who make idiotic choices with financial incentives and benefits, and yet we hunt people down for wanting a bit of opium. It's truly unbelievable.

Eventually we need to enter back into forced sterilization programs and/or offer the bearers of bad DNA 'bonuses' of 75k or so to be sterilized.

[QUOTE=Meticode]There's conception and not conception. Semen coming out or your pen[COLOR="Black"]i[/COLOR]s onto your hands and stomach isn't conception. I'm anti morning after pill as well. It's beta.[/QUOTE]

I just don't see why you would disallow a woman to remove a fetus (that isn't even consciously aware yet) from her body.

:facepalm

[QUOTE=russwest0]I just don't see why you would disallow a woman to remove a fetus (that isn't even consciously aware yet) from her body.[/QUOTE]
Because the sperm and egg met and started the process of a baby.

[QUOTE=Meticode]Because the sperm and egg met and started the process of a baby.[/QUOTE]

So raped women have to carry an unconscious fetus in their body for 9 months simply because they were forced into the process of making a baby... :facepalm

[QUOTE=russwest0]So raped women have to carry an unconscious fetus in their body for 9 months simply because they were forced into the process of making a baby... :facepalm[/QUOTE]
No, pregnancy from rape and possible death from the fetus being born are the only two instances I support abortion. It's not a black and white thing with me, what pisses me off about it is why most people abort today. Inconvenience. Selfishness.

[QUOTE=russwest0]So raped women have to carry an unconscious fetus in their body for 9 months simply because they were forced into the process of making a baby... :facepalm[/QUOTE]
I wonder if he would still have the same stance if his wife got raped.

Will you follow your own beliefs and tell your spouse to keep the baby then raise him/her together?

[QUOTE=russwest0]So raped women have to carry an unconscious fetus in their body for 9 months simply because they were forced into the process of making a baby... :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Its not the babies fault she got raped. Atleast have the kid and put it up for adoption, give it a chance of life.

[QUOTE=Meticode]No, pregnancy from rape and possible death from the fetus being born are the only two instances I support abortion. It's not a black and white thing with me, what pisses me off about it is why most people abort today. Inconvenience. Selfishness.[/QUOTE]

So what if the woman requires that the man wears a condom and he agrees but it breaks and he doesn't tell her and impregnates her?

Is she forced to carry the fetus for 9 months then?

Every woman that has ever gotten pregnant, for whatever reason, whether it was an accident or on purpose, should be forced to have the child. That will make the world a better place. (Kidding)

[QUOTE=russwest0]So what if the woman requires that the man wears a condom and he agrees but it breaks and he doesn't tell her and impregnates her?

Is she forced to carry the fetus for 9 months then?[/QUOTE]
I'm against abortion then. Because wearing a condom universally isn't a 100% chance of not getting pregnant. The only 100% way to prevent conception is to not have sex at all. If you can't take the responsibility that comes with having intercourse and sex, then you shouldn't be having sex.

[QUOTE=Meticode]No, pregnancy from rape and possible death from the fetus being born are the only two instances I support abortion. It's not a black and white thing with me, what pisses me off about it is why most people abort today. Inconvenience. Selfishness.[/QUOTE]
But why do you change your stance? You just said the process has been started, a life is about to be born, you would deny the baby its future just because of how it was conceived? Don't you think that's kinda hypocritical?

You can't just look down on one group of people getting abortion but then turn around and act like "These kinda people who get abortion are cool, I fully support them killing that baby. But those other guys are murderers though!"

[QUOTE=Graviton]I wonder if he would still have the same stance if his wife got raped.

Will you follow your own beliefs and tell your spouse to keep the baby then raise him/her together?[/QUOTE]
That would be a choice for my wife to make. Ask for how I would feel about it, I don't know how I would feel. I think no one knows how they're going to react to a situation they've never been in unless they're actually put in that situation in real life. I can only hope how I would react, and my hope is is that I would want to keep the baby even if she was raped. If she didn't feel the same way, I would respect that and wouldn't blame her for it.

I'm always about making positives out of negatives.

[QUOTE=Meticode]I'm against abortion then. Because wearing a condom universally isn't a 100% chance of not getting pregnant. The only 100% way to prevent conception is to not have sex at all. If you can't take the responsibility that comes with having intercourse and sex, then you shouldn't be having sex.[/QUOTE]

Ok, so imagine if someone ate Taco Bell, got a stomach ache, and then on the way home shit in their trousers. Should they should be forced to wear their shitty trousers for 9 months all because "If you can't take the responsibility that comes with eating Taco Bell, then you shouldn't be eating Taco Bell?"

[QUOTE=Graviton]But why do you change your stance? You just said the process has been started, a life is about to be born, you would deny the baby its future just because of how it was conceived? Don't you think that's kinda hypocritical?[/QUOTE]
My stance changes because getting forcefully raped and pregnant or giving birth to a baby that might possibly kill you are things out of your control. Aborting a fetus because it's an inconvenience to your life is within your control. It's two completely different situations in my eyes.

[QUOTE=Graviton]You can't just look down on one group of people getting abortion but then turn around and act like "These kinda people who get abortion are cool, I fully support them killing that baby. But those other guys are murderers though!"[/QUOTE]
Yes I can because the situations are completely different. That's like saying if you kill someone because you hate them it's murder, but you kill someone in self defense it's still murder and you should still get punished for it.

[QUOTE=russwest0]Ok, so imagine if someone ate Taco Bell, got a stomach ache, and then on the way home shit in their trousers. Should they should be forced to wear their shitty trousers for 9 months all because "If you can't take the responsibility that comes with eating Taco Bell, then you shouldn't be eating Taco Bell?"[/QUOTE]
Comparing human feces to life are completely two different things.

[QUOTE=Meticode]My stance changes because getting forcefully raped and pregnant or giving birth to a baby that might possibly kill you are things out of your control. Aborting a fetus because it's an inconvenience to your life is within your control. It's two completely different situations in my eyes.


Yes I can because the situations are completely different. That's like saying if you kill someone because you hate them it's murder, but you kill someone in self defense it's still murder and you should still get punished for it.[/QUOTE]

But there are a lot of situations that are out of a woman's control. The condom may have had a hole in it due to the company's mistake, or the guy may have done it purposefully. Even to the naked eye it may have been invisible but still resulted in pregnancy, does she have to be punished for things out of her control?

[QUOTE=Graviton]But there are a lot of situations that are out of a woman's control. The condom may have had a hole in it due to the company's mistake, or the guy may have done it purposefully. Even to the naked eye it may have been invisible but still resulted in pregnancy, does she have to be punished for things out of her control?[/QUOTE]
That's not cause for an abortion to me. When you let a p[COLOR="Black"]e[/COLOR]nis inside you to ejaculate whether you're on the pill and he's wearing a condom or not you are still taking a risk. You are extremely lowering your chances of getting pregnant by using protection, but you still take on a risk nonetheless. Letting the guy inside you in the first place is something that was completely in your control.

My wife got pregnant while she was on the pill and I used a condom. Never once did I think of abortion and not once did we ever talk about it. It never came up because personally we accepted the responsibility that we were taking a chance of getting pregnant for the pleasuring of each other.

[QUOTE=Meticode]Comparing human feces to life are completely two different things.[/QUOTE]

A fetus isn't alive.

Excretion of waste (feces) however, is one of the basic requirements for life.

[QUOTE=russwest0]A fetus isn't alive.

Excretion of waste (feces) however, is one of the basic requirements for life.[/QUOTE]
Does the feces that comes out your anus turn into a human boy or girl?

[QUOTE=Meticode]Does the feces that comes out your anus turn into a human boy or girl?[/QUOTE]

Neither. The jizz that comes out of my p[COLOR="Black"]eni[/COLOR]s can turn into one of those two things, however.

[QUOTE=russwest0]Neither. The jizz that comes out of my p[COLOR="Black"]eni[/COLOR]s can turn into one of those two things, however.[/QUOTE]
You are indeed correct, it can, but it hasn't bonded with an egg yet, so therefore there is no conception. It hasn't started the process of bonding the mother's and father's DNA together yet. There is no fetus. I have no problem with people preventing conception, I do have a problem with people erasing conception afterwards if it's not rape or possible death.

[QUOTE=Meticode]That's not cause for an abortion to me. When you let a p[COLOR="Black"]e[/COLOR]nis inside you to ejaculate whether you're on the pill and he's wearing a condom or not you are still taking a risk. You are extremely lowering your chances of getting pregnant by using protection, but you still take on a risk nonetheless. Letting the guy inside you in the first place is something that was completely in your control.

My wife got pregnant while she was on the pill and I used a condom. Never once did I think of abortion and not once did we ever talk about it. It never came up because personally we accepted the responsibility that we were taking a chance of getting pregnant for the pleasuring of each other.[/QUOTE]

Don't you think women should at least get a "2 strikes" kinda deal? That they can get 1 abortion since everyone ****s up in life, but after that for their other "mistakes" they gotta take responsibility?

It would be cruel to force a teenage girl or any single woman that just made a mistake to pay for it for 18 years and have to raise a child single handedly.