I can't forgive Lebron for 2011, 2013, and 2014

I'm sorry but I can't put Lebron any where near the top 15 in the all-time rankings, much less in the conversations with Kobe, Hakeem, Duncan, Magic, Shaq, and Bird. The "Chosen One" has turned into the "Frozen One" too many times.

[B]2011 NBA Finals:[/B] He robbed Wade of his second final's MVP. No "superstar" in NBA history has ever sabotaged his teams chances like Lebron did. It's not like he had one terrible quarter or a few bad games. He disappeared the entire series. Bosh and Wade both scored more than Lebron.

[B]2013 NBA Finals:[/B] In the closing minutes of Game 6, Lebron had three turnovers and two bricks. If not for Ray Allen's miracle shot, Lebron would have gone down as the biggest goat, not GOAT, in NBA history. Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy.

[B]2014 NBA Finals:[/B] He cramped up in Game 1. How come he was the only one that cramped up? Did he forget to stretch or drink water? That's his responsibility. Last time I checked, everyone else finished the game fine... even the guys that are a few years away from retirement homes...

In Game 5, he sat out the remaining 8 or 9 minutes of the game... when Miami was only down 11 points... Heck, Michael Beasley showed that he wanted it more than Lebron. I don't care if you lose or win the series. All of the great ones have lost... (even Jordan got swept), but they go down swinging.

[B]Leastern Conference:[/B] Not to mention Lebron plays in the Leastern Conferences. He's playing the likes of the Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and Charlotte in the first round, while teams are playing the Blazers, Warriors, and Grizzlies as first round opponents. Their biggest in-conference rivals have been the Indiana Pretenders, who's offense is to watch Lance or Paul George go iso.

Let's not forget that Lebron still hasn't won a ring without his superstar friends. Let's not forget that he was trying to recruit Carmelo to join him... How much help does this guy need?

Whose alt are you?:facepalm

I agree with the OP.

Future rep.

I can't forgive Kobe for Colorado

[QUOTE=dubeta]I can't forgive Kobe for Colorado[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he's always been a Nugget killer.

Cold hearted.

[QUOTE=onhcetum]I'm sorry but I can't put Lebron any where near the top 15 in the all-time rankings, much less in the conversations with Kobe, Hakeem, Duncan, Magic, Shaq, and Bird. The "Chosen One" has turned into the "Frozen One" too many times.

[B]2011 NBA Finals:[/B] He robbed Wade of his second final's MVP. No "superstar" in NBA history has ever sabotaged his teams chances like Lebron did. It's not like he had one terrible quarter or a few bad games. He disappeared the entire series. Bosh and Wade both scored more than Lebron.

[B]2013 NBA Finals:[/B] In the closing minutes of Game 6, Lebron had three turnovers and two bricks. If not for Ray Allen's miracle shot, Lebron would have gone down as the biggest goat, not GOAT, in NBA history. Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy.

[B]2014 NBA Finals:[/B] He cramped up in Game 1. How come he was the only one that cramped up? Did he forget to stretch or drink water? That's his responsibility. Last time I checked, everyone else finished the game fine... even the guys that are a few years away from retirement homes...

In Game 5, he sat down the remaining 8 or 9 minutes of the game... when Miami was only down 11 points... Heck, Michael Beasley showed that he wanted it more than Lebron. I don't care if you lose or win the series. All of the great ones have lost... (even Jordan got swept), but they go down swinging.

[B]Leastern Conference:[/B] Not to mention Lebron plays in the Leastern Conferences. He's playing the likes of the Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and Charlotte in the first round, while teams are playing the Blazers, Warriors, and Grizzlies as first round opponents. Their biggest in-conference rivals have been the Indiana Pretenders, who's offense is to watch Lance or Paul George go iso.

Let's not forget that Lebron still hasn't won a ring without his superstar friends. Let's not forget that he was trying to recruit Carmelo to join him... How much help does this guy need?[/QUOTE]
Budadiii? How many alts do you have? :lol :lol :lol :lol

[QUOTE=dubeta]I can't forgive Kobe for Colorado[/QUOTE]

Not only does kobe *** their women, he fuks their team as well

2011, he was shit.
2013, he made a 3 right before Ray did, and was also the only reason they were even in the game, he scored 16 points in the 4th quarter.
2014, cramped up, and has a history of cramp issues. He could have played better defense for sure, but Spurs were by far the better team.

[QUOTE]In Game 5, he sat out the remaining 8 or 9 minutes of the game... when Miami was only down 11 points... Heck, Michael Beasley showed that he wanted it more than Lebron. I don't care if you lose or win the series. All of the great ones have lost... (even Jordan got swept), but they go down swinging. [/QUOTE]

Also ****ing wrong, he went out at 6:30, and the Heat were down by 18, it was also his first rest of the night.

2011 WAS the only year you could even blame him. 2013 he had 27 game win streak, was mvp and super clutch game 7. Idiots like you need to realize, ALLEN MADE 1 SHOT! Stop acting like he was the FMvp. 2014 he cramped up. It happens, blame the spurs for not putting the AC on, fvking fake champions. No one in league history would have won with that cast on the floor with him. Don't forget his great performance in game 2.

Budadii...

In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - [i]21 out of the last 24 did more[/i].

A bigger load from Lebron wasn't just feasible, it was necessary.. The Heat had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent (lowest ppg.. biggest differential to Spurs in Ortg) and frequently couldn't answer after the Spurs converted - this contributed to the Spurs momentum as much as the Heat's bad defense did.. *A bad offense makes the opponent's offense better, just like a bad defense does.

Despite it being both feasible and necessary, Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

Since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?...

Only Lebron.. and only in this day and age where it makes all the monetary sense in the world to keep comparing this guy to the real goat, whose physical and skill superiority is now [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10429100&postcount=17][u]more clear than ever[/u][/url].. It makes sense why Lebron would need to jump ship every few years to keep up the pace.

[QUOTE=3ball]In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - [i]21 out of the last 24 did more[/i].

A bigger load from Lebron wasn't just feasible, it was necessary.. The Heat had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent (lowest ppg.. biggest differential to Spurs in Ortg) and frequently couldn't answer after the Spurs converted - this contributed to the Spurs momentum as much as the Heat's bad defense did.. *A bad offense makes the opponent's offense better, just like a bad defense does.

Despite it being both feasible and necessary, Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

Since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?...

Only Lebron.. and only in this day and age where it makes all the monetary sense in the world to keep comparing this guy to the real goat, whose physical and skill superiority is now [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10429100&postcount=17][u]more clear than ever[/u][/url].. It makes sense why Lebron would need to jump ship every few years to keep up the pace.[/QUOTE]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]2011 WAS the only year you could even blame him. 2013 he had 27 game win streak, was mvp and super clutch game 7. Idiots like you need to realize, ALLEN MADE 1 SHOT! Stop acting like he was the FMvp. 2014 he cramped up. It happens, blame the spurs for not putting the AC on, fvking fake champions. No one in league history would have won with that cast on the floor with him. Don't forget his great performance in game 2.

Budadii...[/QUOTE]

His teams more or less been the same these past four years. He's had the big three (with him), Cole, Mario, Bird Man, Battier... and three point shooters... and now they're all scrubs because they got beat by the Spurs? That team was good enough to win 2 titles in a row and went to 4 finals...

[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]2011 WAS the only year you could even blame him. 2013 he had 27 game win streak, was mvp and super clutch game 7. Idiots like you need to realize, ALLEN MADE 1 SHOT! Stop acting like he was the FMvp. 2014 he cramped up. It happens, blame the spurs for not putting the AC on, fvking fake champions. No one in league history would have won with that cast on the floor with him. Don't forget his great performance in game 2.

Budadii...[/QUOTE]

Cramp or broken ankle?

[QUOTE=3ball]In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - [i]21 out of the last 24 did more[/i].

A bigger load from Lebron wasn't just feasible, it was necessary.. The Heat had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent (lowest ppg.. biggest differential to Spurs in Ortg) and frequently couldn't answer after the Spurs converted - this contributed to the Spurs momentum as much as the Heat's bad defense did.. *A bad offense makes the opponent's offense better, just like a bad defense does.

Despite it being both feasible and necessary, Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

Since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?...

Only Lebron.. and only in this day and age where it makes all the monetary sense in the world to keep comparing this guy to the real goat, whose physical and skill superiority is now [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10429100&postcount=17][u]more clear than ever[/u][/url].. It makes sense why Lebron would need to jump ship every few years to keep up the pace.[/QUOTE]
this is a dumbass post and you know it. Pop is a genius that triple teamed lebron away from his best sweet spots. No one, not even mj would be able to fend off 3 defensive beasts in that game.

[QUOTE=onhcetum]His teams more or less been the same these past four years. He's had the big three (with him), Cole, Mario, Bird Man, Battier... and three point shooters... and now they're all scrubs because they got beat by the Spurs? That team was good enough to win 2 titles in a row and went to 4 finals...[/QUOTE]
cole, mario, birdman, and battier

really thats what you call a great cast

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

The man leads his team to a 27 game win streak on the back of a historic regular season where he was the MVP and DPOY runner up, leads his team back from the abyss in game 6 with 16 points in the 4th quarter with Wade & Bosh on the bench, finishes with 30 point triple double that game logging 50 mins (no rest in 4th qtr and OT) and great defense on Parker, and then produces one of the greatest game 7 finals in history winning FMVP.

And that shit is unforgivable...

[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]2011 WAS the only year you could even blame him. 2013 he had 27 game win streak, was mvp and super clutch game 7. Idiots like you need to realize, ALLEN MADE 1 SHOT! Stop acting like he was the FMvp. 2014 he cramped up. It happens, blame the spurs for not putting the AC on, fvking fake champions. No one in league history would have won with that cast on the floor with him. Don't forget his great performance in game 2.

Budadii...[/QUOTE]

2011 he choked
2012 talk about free rings cause of refs :roll:
2013 27 game streak he lost to a bulls team without d rose and noah
2013 allen shot was the only shot people remember from the series that mattered
2014 cramp or no cramp they lost by 14+ points a game.

[QUOTE=3ball]In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - [i]21 out of the last 24 did more[/i].

A bigger load from Lebron wasn't just feasible, it was necessary.. The Heat had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent (lowest ppg.. biggest differential to Spurs in Ortg) and frequently couldn't answer after the Spurs converted - this contributed to the Spurs momentum as much as the Heat's bad defense did.. *A bad offense makes the opponent's offense better, just like a bad defense does.

Despite it being both feasible and necessary, Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

Since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?...

Only Lebron.. and only in this day and age where it makes all the monetary sense in the world to keep comparing this guy to the real goat, whose physical and skill superiority is now [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10429100&postcount=17][u]more clear than ever[/u][/url].. It makes sense why Lebron would need to jump ship every few years to keep up the pace.[/QUOTE]
Or you could've just looked at how his teammates performed. Miami's starting center averaged 5 rebounds a game. Starting SG and PG sucked ass. The bench was horrible as well. It's not that hard to understand if you actually watched the games. Miami flat out sucked ass in the Finals. LeBron averaging 40 PPG on 40% wouldn't have helped with anything either (considering the starting C is averaging 5 RPG).

@OP, You mention Kobe? Did you forget the '00 and '04 Finals? Or the legendary 6/24 performance in '10...

[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]this is a dumbass post and you know it. Pop is a genius that triple teamed lebron away from his best sweet spots. No one, not even mj would be able to fend off 3 defensive beasts in that game.[/QUOTE]

If Lebron doesn't cramp up and checkout the game, Miami (who was up by 8 after Bosh's 4 point play) goes up 0-2 headed back to Miami, and who knows how the series turns out.

In any case, I don't care that he lost the series. It's the way in which he lost. He checked out 2 games in that series.

Plus, I already gave him a pass for 2007. You want me to give him yet ANOTHER PASS? And you want me to put him in the top 10? top 15? Sorry, I can't do it.

Even a guy like Dirk has won a title with role players. Right now, I have Dirk ahead of Lebron until Lebron wins a title without a superteam.

[QUOTE=3ball]In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - [i]21 out of the last 24 did more[/i].

A bigger load from Lebron wasn't just feasible, it was necessary.. The Heat had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent (lowest ppg.. biggest differential to Spurs in Ortg) and frequently couldn't answer after the Spurs converted - this contributed to the Spurs momentum as much as the Heat's bad defense did.. *A bad offense makes the opponent's offense better, just like a bad defense does.

Despite it being both feasible and necessary, Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

Since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?...

Only Lebron.. and only in this day and age where it makes all the monetary sense in the world to keep comparing this guy to the real goat, whose physical and skill superiority is now [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10429100&postcount=17][u]more clear than ever[/u][/url].. It makes sense why Lebron would need to jump ship every few years to keep up the pace.[/QUOTE]

yup.. he was trying to make his line nice to absolve himself of blame when he saw a lot of trouble coming his way. Instead of rallying his guys in the face of adversity he kept quiet, got his numbers, and dipped to cleveland as miami's supporting cast could no longer serve his legacy properly.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Or you could've just looked at how his teammates performed. Miami's starting center averaged 5 rebounds a game. Starting SG and PG sucked ass. The bench was horrible as well. It's not that hard to understand if you actually watched the games. Miami flat out sucked ass in the Finals. LeBron averaging 40 PPG on 40% wouldn't have helped with anything either (considering the starting C is averaging 5 RPG).

@OP, You mention Kobe? Did you forget the '00 and '04 Finals? Or the legendary 6/24 performance in '10...[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. I will also add in those years post-Shaq 2004-2006, where he missed the playoffs and lost in the first round.

But he still won two titles as an alpha. And before you guys say he had Gasol, isn't Kobe entitled to at least one half-way above average sidekick in Gasol? Gasol was a top 20 player at best in his prime...

[QUOTE=onhcetum]I agree with you. I will also add in those years post-Shaq 2004-2006, where he missed the playoffs and lost in the first round.

But he still won two titles as an alpha. And before you guys say he had Gasol, isn't Kobe entitled to at least one half-way above average sidekick in Gasol? Gasol was a top 20 player at best in his prime...[/QUOTE]
LeBron won 2 titles as the "alpha" as well.

You can't forgive him?...what are you his ****ing side piece? This thread is just pathetic.

[QUOTE=aj1987]LeBron won 2 titles as the "alpha" as well.[/QUOTE]
Why is the word alpha in inverted comma?

Afraid to admit the truth?

Fkin' pos Heat fan ungrateful.:banghead:

[QUOTE=onhcetum]If Lebron doesn't cramp up and checkout the game, Miami (who was up by 8 after Bosh's 4 point play) goes up 0-2 headed back to Miami, and who knows how the series turns out.

In any case, I don't care that he lost the series. It's the way in which he lost. He checked out 2 games in that series.

Plus, I already gave him a pass for 2007. You want me to give him yet ANOTHER PASS? And you want me to put him in the top 10? top 15? Sorry, I can't do it.

Even a guy like Dirk has won a title with role players. [B]Right now, I have Dirk ahead of Lebron until Lebron wins a title without a superteam.[/B][/QUOTE]

Same here.

[QUOTE=Beastmode88]2011 he choked
2012 talk about free rings cause of refs :roll:
2013 27 game streak he lost to a bulls team without d rose and noah
2013 allen shot was the only shot people remember from the series that mattered
2014 cramp or no cramp they lost by 14+ points a game.[/QUOTE]
Most of these are stupid @ss reasons. Losing to the bulls in the regular season leaves a terrible mark on his year? Seriously?

[QUOTE=Dragic4Life]Why is the word alpha in inverted comma?

Afraid to admit the truth?

Fkin' pos Heat fan ungrateful.:banghead:[/QUOTE]
Because that word gets thrown around a lot and has basically lost its meaning, you stupid shit. In case you can't read, I'm defending LeBron in this thread. Also, your dumbass reminds me of that budai dude.

[QUOTE=aj1987]LeBron won 2 titles as the "alpha" as well.[/QUOTE]

With his superstar friends... which he now left after they turned 30... for two more superstars in Kevin Love and Kyrie... both players coming off career seasons are 26 and 22 respectively... both with major endorsements, commercials, and shoe deals... BIG TIME...

He has ZERO rings the way Kobe, Duncan, and Dirk did it. I will throw in Magic and Bird too. Guys like McHale, Parish, Danny Anige, Rambis, and Worthy are overly glorified role players on title teams. Not of them are perennial All-NBA First or Second team, much less MVP candidates...

Forgive Lebron? lol, some random nobody like yourself.

Wade and Bosh were not Superstars in 2013. Get over it and stop being a retard. Obviously you lack objectivity, there is no point in even debating with you. Have fun not forgiving Lebron.

[QUOTE=onhcetum]With his superstar friends... which he now left after they turned 30... for two more superstars in Kevin Love and Kyrie... both players coming off career seasons are 26 and 22 respectively... both with major endorsements, commercials, and shoe deals... BIG TIME... [/quote]
Wade and Bosh were bad in '13 and '14 in the Playoffs. Bosh basically missed half of the '12 Playoffs and Wade was injured as well. The Cav's team won like 30 games last season. Lets not act like they were an amazing team. Love to the Cavs wasn't even official until a few days ago.

Endorsements and commercials? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=onhcetum]He has ZERO rings the way Kobe, Duncan, and Dirk did it. I will throw in Magic and Bird too. Guys like McHale, Parish, Danny Anige, Rambis, and Worthy are overly glorified role players on title teams. Not of them are perennial All-NBA First or Second team, much less MVP candidates...[/QUOTE]
Wait. NVM, you're an idiot. Should've read your entire post before replying.

Would Wade had won Finals MVP if Lebron played his usual game? Would the Heat even have a chance of winning in 2013 and 2014 if Lebron was not on the team?

If you're a fan of a team, how could you hate one of your players for having turnovers, as if that's something that they wanted. As long as he's trying hard, how could you hate him? You could be mad or whatever, but how could you hate him?

No offense, but you sound like a bitch OP. It's all about, "Me, me, me," like who the hell are you and why should Lebron give a shit about you specifically? Don't mean to be insulting, but man up. You can't forgive, it's like a baby whining, who the hell should care about a baby throwing a tantrum?

[QUOTE=aj1987]Wade and Bosh were bad in '13 and '14 in the Playoffs. Bosh basically missed half of the '12 Playoffs and Wade was injured as well. The Cav's team won like 30 games last season. Lets not act like they were an amazing team. Love to the Cavs wasn't even official until a few days ago.

Endorsements and commercials? :oldlol:


Wait. NVM, you're an idiot. Should've read your entire post before replying.[/QUOTE]

I'm highlighting the fact that both Love and Kyrie are not just "stars"... they are big time superstars, which Lebron needs to win titles.

[QUOTE=jstern]Would Wade had won Finals MVP if Lebron played his usual game? Would the Heat even have a chance of winning in 2013 and 2014 if Lebron was not on the team?

If you're a fan of a team, how could you hate one of your players for having turnovers, as if that's something that they wanted. As long as he's trying hard, how could you hate him? You could be mad or whatever, but how could you hate him?

No offense, but you sound like a bitch OP. It's all about, "Me, me, me," like who the hell are you and why should Lebron give a shit about you specifically? Don't mean to be insulting, but man up. You can't forgive, it's like a baby whining, who the hell should care about a baby throwing a tantrum?[/QUOTE]

I should have titled the thread: Lebron is not even top 15 of all-time.

[QUOTE=onhcetum]I should have titled the thread: Lebron is not even top 15 of all-time.[/QUOTE]
He's in the top 10 though.

[QUOTE=onhcetum]I'm highlighting the fact that both Love and Kyrie are not just "stars"... they are big time superstars, which Lebron needs to win titles.[/QUOTE]

Superstars make the playoffs after 3+ years

[QUOTE=onhcetum]I'm highlighting the fact that both Love and Kyrie are not just "stars"... they are big time superstars, which Lebron needs to win titles.[/QUOTE]
How many times have they been to the playoffs?

[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]Most of these are stupid @ss reasons. Losing to the bulls in the regular season leaves a terrible mark on his year? Seriously?[/QUOTE]

He had a chance to break the streak and as always he falls short when it comes to reaching it. LeBeta.

[QUOTE=navy]How many times have they been to the playoffs?[/QUOTE]

That's irrelevant as their situations have changed and are now playing with each other...

Love plays in the Western Conference... you expect Minnesota to be better than the Clippers, Grizzilies, Dallas, Houston, Warriors, and Blazers? Kyrie is on a young team and just finished his third year, so he gets a pass just like Lebron and Kobe got a pass.

Big time superstars that can't even get to the playoffs? :rolleyes: So what the **** are Durant and LeBron? super duper stars?

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