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Kids and street ballers strive to be like...MJ, melo, kobe, ray allen, reggie, dr j, durant, iverson, magic, bird, shaq and other greats but Why do kids and various street ballers don't want to personate Tim duncan in a positive way on the court? Even people like to be like lebron on the court only for dunks but damn it must be pretty damn sad that nobody wants to be like Tim Duncan or even wear his jersey and payless sneakers:( Why ISH? Why people don't want to ascend like Tim?:confusedshrug:
Real14 with an actual quality topic.
I don't know the answer to the question, but it is too bad no one wants to be Duncan. One of the greatest players the game has seen.
People care more about highlights than actual success. Like the people who voted Griffin over Duncan as a starter for the All-Star game a few years back. Yet Griffin will never touch Duncan's achievements unless his prime is somehow godly.
its because kids want to be cool and do fancy moves. tim is great but hes boring.
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because the average street ballers style is relative to their size and frame.
Show me someone that is 6-10 and he will play similar to tim duncan:confusedshrug:
now how many times have you seen someone 6 10 at the park, rarely.
I bet coaches would love it if more players strived to be like Duncan. Unselfish, unassuming, hard working, fundamentally sound student of the game. Doesn't talk trash, just lets his game do the talking.
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle][B]because the average street ballers style is relative to their size and frame. [/B]
Show me someone that is 6-10 and he will play similar to tim duncan:confusedshrug:
now how many times have you seen someone 6 10 at the park, rarely.[/QUOTE]
That makes no sense. You could easily say, why aren't people playing like Andre Miller. Plenty of guys have his size and frame.
[QUOTE=Real14]Kids and street ballers strive to be like...MJ, melo, kobe, ray allen, reggie, dr j, durant, iverson, magic, bird, shaq and other greats but Why do kids and various street ballers don't want to personate Tim duncan in a positive way on the court? Even people like to be like lebron on the court only for dunks but damn it must be pretty damn sad that nobody wants to be like Tim Duncan or even wear his jersey and payless sneakers:( Why ISH? Why people don't want to ascend like Tim?:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I love me some ISH, and Im really DIGGIN' you making a quality thread.
Props:cheers: Repped!
I don't want to make this all about race but I do have something to add involving race.
The same reasons black kids don't strive to play like Tim Duncan is the same reason IMO that black kids play basketball and football over/before baseball.
Tim Duncan's style is not flashy or even all the exciting to watch. Just like basketball and football are much more fast paced, flashy, continuously exciting and baseball is a slower paced, less exciting moments kind of game.
Outside the Lines did a great piece about the percentage of black kids playing baseball and how much it has dropped every decade.
Non flashy and/or slower paced players/sports aren't as attention grabbing as faster paced and/or flashy players/sports.
p.s. - what I just said was somewhat evidenced by Jackie Robinson West LL baseball team out of Chicago. It got so much national press because you simply don't see black kids playing baseball as much anymore. But they should, it's a great sport and they have all the tools to be great at it. Hopefully it sparks something across the country. Baseball is another tool to get out of a place you may not want to be.
[QUOTE=NZStreetBaller]its because kids want to be cool and do fancy moves. tim is great but hes boring.[/QUOTE]
The "Duncan/Spurs boring" stuff is such a joke. If you appreciate the game of basketball, I don't understand how you could possibly make that statement.
If a guy doesn't finish with windmill dunks, he's boring? Such a joke lol I can't stand when people say that. Duncan is one of the most complete players ever. Nothing boring about the way he plays just because he doesn't twist his body in mid-air or embellish his body movements.
You would prefer to watch a player perform at a far inferior quality, just so you can watch him tomahawk dunk every 3 quarters.
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[QUOTE=Dengness9]I love me some ISH, and Im really DIGGIN' you making a quality thread.
Props:cheers: Repped!
I don't want to make this all about race but I do have something to add involving race.
The same reasons black kids don't strive to play like Tim Duncan is the same reason IMO that black kids play basketball and football over/before baseball.
Tim Duncan's style is not flashy or even all the exciting to watch. Just like basketball and football are much more fast paced, flashy, continuously exciting and baseball is a slower paced, less exciting moments kind of game.
Outside the Lines did a great piece about the percentage of black kids playing baseball and how much it has dropped every decade.
Non flashy and/or slower paced players/sports aren't as attention grabbing as faster paced and/or flashy players/sports.[/QUOTE]
Thanks bro and I agree with this but even other races don't want to be like duncan, I think its because he's a manufactured robot who's corny with no style.
thought Tim wore Adidas
[QUOTE=CelticBalla32]The "Duncan/Spurs boring" stuff is such a joke. If you appreciate the game of basketball, I don't understand how you could possibly make that statement.
If a guy doesn't finish with windmill dunks, he's boring? Such a joke lol I can't stand when people say that. Duncan is one of the most complete players ever. Nothing boring about the way he plays just because he doesn't twist his body in mid-air or embellish his body movements.
You would prefer to watch a player perform at a far inferior quality, just so you can watch him tomahawk dunk every 3 quarters.
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I LOVE Timmy, but it's pretty much commonly accepted, he plays so fundamentally sound, that it's harder for younger people to grasp it and get excited by it.
Because my dude, I totally agree, he is one of the greatest most complete players ever, and watching him has been such a privilege.
If you are going to daydream about being like another person its rarely going to be the guy that looks super ordinary in his approach. If you are boring you don't want to be like another boring guy. If you are exciting you don't want to be a guy on the lowest frequency. While very competitive, he doesn't have a strong Yang presence. Its like going to a Will Smith movie and getting excited about the bland guy in the background - who does that.
[QUOTE=Dengness9]I love me some ISH, and Im really DIGGIN' you making a quality thread.
Props:cheers: Repped!
I don't want to make this all about race but I do have something to add involving race.
[B]The same reasons black kids don't strive to play like Tim Duncan is the same reason IMO that black kids play basketball and football over/before baseball.
Tim Duncan's style is not flashy or even all the exciting to watch. Just like basketball and football are much more fast paced, flashy, continuously exciting and baseball is a slower paced, less exciting moments kind of game.[/B]
Outside the Lines did a great piece about the percentage of black kids playing baseball and how much it has dropped every decade.
Non flashy and/or slower paced players/sports aren't as attention grabbing as faster paced and/or flashy players/sports.
p.s. - what I just said was somewhat evidenced by Jackie Robinson West LL baseball team out of Chicago. It got so much national press because you simply don't see black kids playing baseball as much anymore. But they should, it's a great sport and they have all the tools to be great at it. Hopefully it sparks something across the country. Baseball is another tool to get out of a place you may not want to be.[/QUOTE]
This is very true, some people even call Duncan an Uncle Tom.
[QUOTE=Real14]Thanks bro and I agree with this but even other races don't want to be like duncan, I think its because he's a manufactured robot who's corny with no style.[/QUOTE]
I feel you, I mean really doe, most kids regardless of size don't want to be Tim Duncan.
That's why this day in age there is more "stretch" big men than ever.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO DRIBBLE, RUN, SHOOT FROM 3, AND DUNK ON SOMEBODY.
If kids even took away how Duncan uses a backboard, they would instantly be a better player.
[QUOTE=CelticBalla32]The "Duncan/Spurs boring" stuff is such a joke. If you appreciate the game of basketball, I don't understand how you could possibly make that statement.
If a guy doesn't finish with windmill dunks, he's boring? Such a joke lol I can't stand when people say that. Duncan is one of the most complete players ever. Nothing boring about the way he plays just because he doesn't twist his body in mid-air or embellish his body movements.
You would prefer to watch a player perform at a far inferior quality, just so you can watch him tomahawk dunk every 3 quarters.
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When Duncan dunks he don't bring oohs and ahhs and what else you have after that? Nothing but practice layups and fundamental moves that will motivate snore fests just like that.
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I take back the yang statement.
Kids don't want to be Duncan because he's boring to them. I've been around many basketball players and not one of them wants to be Duncan. He's not flashy. Kids want to be somebody with amazing flashy moves. Most kids want to be Jordan basically. Sadly there's not a lot of appeal for quiet hardworking fundamentals. Not to say every kid is like this.
I also think it's marketed that way. How often do you see Duncan in commercials compared to Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, Durant, ect.?
[QUOTE=Dengness9]I feel you, I mean really doe, most kids regardless of size don't want to be Tim Duncan.
That's why this day in age there is more "stretch" big men than ever.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO DRIBBLE, RUN, SHOOT FROM 3, AND DUNK ON SOMEBODY.
If kids even took away how Duncan uses a backboard, they would instantly be a better player.[/QUOTE]
Yea I also see it as school. Kids who are kool gets the most attention becoming popular and shit while the nerds get to no love and never gets the fine girls with big fluffy titties. Tim duncan is in that nerd clique.
[QUOTE=oarabbus]This is very true, some people even call Duncan an Uncle Tom.[/QUOTE]
He definitely is, he's pops son.
[QUOTE=Pointguard]I take back the yang statement.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=cruthikai352]thought Tim wore Adidas[/QUOTE]
Damn, and that's sad cuz I don't think nobody wears them shits. You might as well ship them jointz to payless:lol
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[QUOTE=Dengness9]I LOVE Timmy, but it's pretty much commonly accepted, he plays so fundamentally sound, that it's harder for younger people to grasp it and get excited by it.
Because my dude, I totally agree, he is one of the greatest most complete players ever, and watching him has been such a privilege.[/QUOTE]
If I was allowed to rep you I would (apparently you need like 8 million posts to even be able to look at your own profile here......).
Kids too focused on the wrong things lol.
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:lol
[QUOTE=oarabbus]That makes no sense. You could easily say, why aren't people playing like Andre Miller. Plenty of guys have his size and frame.[/QUOTE]
you make no sense:biggums: their are hoopers that play like andre miller. i will repeat again, size and frame is relative to style.
When I first say him at Wake Forest I tried to play like him. Mainly fell in love with his bank shots he used to do all the time.
Simply answer is that he's a big man and his style is boring to the average hooper.
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]you make no sense:biggums: their are hoopers that play like andre miller. i will repeat again, size and frame is relative to style.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he means who kids these days play like, but more of who the kids strive to become or be a #1 fan of.
Of course there are players that play like Andre Miller or even Duncan, but those players probably didn't grow up saying, "I want to play like Andre Miller."
The #1 and #2 reasons to all of this is flashy play and media hype.
he is probably the most original superstar of all time, even if they wanted not see how they could emulate his game, and has other things (not to draw attention, not to create problems, etc, and as said, the guy is basically a robot, only play basketball and improve your game every time)
Go learn how to write a coherent sentence and then get back to us.
I've known people who try to emulate him. OP is only 12 years old though and I can understand why 12 year olds would be more interested in who is on ESPN top 10 highlights but I've known mature players who are realistic in their abilities and physical attributes and try to emulate Duncan's style. Of course these people I know aren't 7" tall but in regular ball around here anything over low 6 foot is a big man.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]Go learn how to write a coherent sentence and then get back to us.[/QUOTE]
Haters never prosper:no:
[QUOTE=outbreak]I've known people who try to emulate him. OP is only 12 years old though and I can understand why 12 year olds would be more interested in who is on ESPN top 10 highlights but I've known mature players who are realistic in their abilities and physical attributes and try to emulate Duncan's style. Of course these people I know aren't 7" tall but in regular ball around here anything over low 6 foot is a big man.[/QUOTE]
What a dumb and delusional post:facepalm
[QUOTE=Real14]What a dumb and delusional post:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Just because your pre teen brain doesn't understand it doesn't make it dumb.
I've known plenty of people who once they realise they are never going to be an athletic freak start to work on things like their bank shot and post up/fade away game and try to emulate old man duncan. As they mature they realise they aren't as fast or flashy as others so they work on their fundamentals. I know english is your second language but it's not a hard concept.
cuz he's a role player, nobody wants to play like a role player
[QUOTE=Smoke117]Go learn how to write a coherent sentence and then get back to us.[/QUOTE]
He's acting dumb. Dude is suffering from multiple personality disorder.
[QUOTE=inclinerator]cuz he's a role player, nobody wants to play like a role player[/QUOTE]
Maybe in 2014 NBA Finals. Lebron and Duncan with the same numbers of finals MVP next season.
[QUOTE=outbreak]Just because your pre teen brain doesn't understand it doesn't make it dumb.
I've known plenty of people who once they realise they are never going to be an athletic freak start to work on things like their bank shot and post up/fade away game and try to emulate old man duncan. As they mature they realise they aren't as fast or flashy as others so they work on their fundamentals. I know english is your second language but it's not a hard concept.[/QUOTE]
You dumb for thinking I'm a teen and retarden for thinking that there's a lot of people out there that strives to be like Duncan on the basketball court. Nobody agrees with you in this thread on that. Duncan is too damn boring, non flashy and corny.
Many people, not just kids, are drawn to the extraordinary. High flying exploits and incredibly crafty dribbling maneuvers resonate because they're different, they're original, and they're exciting forms of self-expression. We tend to be wowed by those who go above and beyond, pulling off something for which we are not accustomed to seeing. And many players are naturally attracted to trying to induce such wow.
That said, I think some kids deserve more credit. When I was younger, I wished I could dunk like Shawn Kemp but my influences were often more grounded. My shot came from Sean Elliott, my open floor breakouts came from Latrell Sprewell and Grant Hill and my willingness to move without the ball and flesh out a midrange game came from Richard Hamilton. Many kids or adults are fans of the spectacular but still pick and choose strategies and influences from more realistic corners. I've personally come across a bevy of players throughout the years who've tried to over-use the window in honor of Tim.