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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embqhggoep4[/url]
MJ played small forward in 2002, so he was matched up with Garnett in their first meeting, who was ALSO playing SF that year - the two were matched up from the opening tip - he scores 35 on Garnett in every way imaginable.
and starting at the 4:00 mark, Garnett guards Jordan 5 times in a row mono-a-mono, and 5 times in a row he got dropped off, with the announcers getting more excited each time..
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LeBron >> MJ
[QUOTE=dubeta]LeBron >> MJ[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=dubeta]LeBron >> MJ[/QUOTE]
That was the great thing about Kobe going back-to-back in 2009 and 2010 and averaging 28ppg in 2013..
It let us know how MJ would have done in this era, since Kobe did it with the exact same coach and system.
It's like a lesser MJ was still playing and winning championships and being the best player.. :banana:
empty stats. Man that was a weak era, look at the terrible defense.
[QUOTE=dubeta]LeBron >> MJ[/QUOTE]
jordan closed his eyes still shoots better than leairball :oldlol:
[QUOTE=dubeta]LeBron >> MJ[/QUOTE]
Are you stupid?
What up trainwreckdog? :cheers:
Can i ask why you and other posters like yourself basically only talk about past eras and players? Do you not find the current league interesting or something? I mean i like talking about it too, but doesnt it get kinda boring after a while? I figure it would be more interesting to talk about what's happening right now. Nomsayin?
[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]empty stats. Man that was a weak era, look at the terrible defense.[/QUOTE]
too bad,it still way stronger than leflop ever face :banana:
[QUOTE=kamil]Are you stupid?[/QUOTE]
dun blame him,he is just a 12 years old kid :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Paul George 24]too bad,it still way stronger than leflop ever face :banana:[/QUOTE]
Damn LeBron living rent free :oldlol:
poor fan, hopped on the wrong Paul George bandwagon
[QUOTE=Warfan]What up trainwreckdog? :cheers:
Can i ask why you and other posters like yourself basically only talk about past eras and players? Do you not find the current league interesting or something? I mean i like talking about it too, but doesnt it get kinda boring after a while? I figure it would be more interesting to talk about what's happening right now. Nomsayin?[/QUOTE]
Today's game is a weaker brand of basketball... the spacing, defensive 3 seconds and no-hand-check rule (mostly the spacing though) make it so a much higher proportion of the shots taken are open shots.
This is boring to me... the game looks like hot potato, where players pass it around until someone is open - you don't have to score ON defenders as much in today's game, so the stats produced mean less to me - like, i don't care that someone has a high shooting percentage because i know it is a product of the spacing and the fact that they take way less contested mid-range shots than players used to.
and with open shots being available, it makes coaching and how to GET those open shots the deciding factor in games, as opposed to the skill of the players..
[QUOTE=3ball]Today's game is a weaker brand of basketball... the spacing, defensive 3 seconds and no-hand-check rule (mostly the spacing though) make it so a much higher proportion of the shots taken are open shots.
This is boring to me... the game looks like hot potato, where players pass it around until someone is open - you don't have to score ON defenders as much in today's game, so the stats produced mean less to me - like, i don't care that someone has a high shooting percentage because i know it is a product of the spacing and the fact that they take way less contested mid-range shots than players used to.
and with open shots being available, it makes coaching and how to GET those open shots the deciding factor in games, as opposed to the skill of the players..[/QUOTE]
So you want players taking contested mid-range jumpers? They're possibly the worst shot you can take. Are you telling me the 2013 and 2014 Spurs don't play exciting basketball?
Sick. They gotta retro his wizards shoes already
[QUOTE=3ball]Today's game is a weaker brand of basketball... the spacing, defensive 3 seconds and no-hand-check rule (mostly the spacing though) make it so a much higher proportion of the shots taken are open shots.
This is boring to me... the game looks like hot potato, where players pass it around until someone is open - you don't have to score ON defenders as much in today's game, so the stats produced mean less to me - like, i don't care that someone has a high shooting percentage because i know it is a product of the spacing and the fact that they take way less contested mid-range shots than players used to.
and with open shots being available, it makes coaching and how to GET those open shots the deciding factor in games, as opposed to the skill of the players..[/QUOTE]
Damn, classic trainwreckdog :applause: Keep doing you brother, even if you have to keep worshipping mj 20 years from now :cheers:
[QUOTE=3ball]Today's game is a weaker brand of basketball... the spacing, defensive 3 seconds and no-hand-check rule (mostly the spacing though) make it so a much higher proportion of the shots taken are open shots.
This is boring to me... the game looks like hot potato, where players pass it around until someone is open - you don't have to score ON defenders as much in today's game, so the stats produced mean less to me - like, i don't care that someone has a high shooting percentage because i know it is a product of the spacing and the fact that they take way less contested mid-range shots than players used to.
and with open shots being available, it makes coaching and how to GET those open shots the deciding factor in games, as opposed to the skill of the players..[/QUOTE]
This is probably the stupidest post I've read here, or at least it's up there. Basically you want to see more bad shots taken than good shots.
You must be a Thunder fan.
[QUOTE=KobesFinger]So you want players taking contested mid-range jumpers? They're possibly the worst shot you can take. Are you telling me the 2013 and 2014 Spurs don't play exciting basketball?[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying we need to go back to the 80's... However, when comparing over the eras, i don't see how previous eras compare unfavorably when their shot allocations consisted of a much higher proportion of what you called "the worst shot you can take".
If players in previous eras had a higher proportion of tougher shots, that means they are MORE skilled, not less skilled.
Also, a shot allocation of 3's, at-rim shots, and FT's is boring as all heck... so UN-diluting the game via regulatory changes that forces a higher proportion of shots from the say, 6 to 20-foot range (which is most of the floor btw) would be better for the game.
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Dude if you're so deprived of contested mid range shots go watch next year's New York Knicks or something
A season of that will change your mind lol. Not everyone is on some next level Kobe/MJ off the dribble fadeaway s.hit.
[QUOTE=KobesFinger]So you want players taking contested mid-range jumpers? They're possibly the worst shot you can take. [B]Are you telling me the 2013 and 2014 Spurs don't play exciting basketball?[/B][/QUOTE]
Funny thing is the Spurs play more like a mid 80s team (albeit with more 3 point shooting) and look what they did to the Super Friends with just some old has beens and former D-leaguers :lol
He got caught on a screen once, had 0 help defense twice, and played decent d on the other two.
Woah, got torched.
Not exactly torched
[QUOTE=3ball]I remember a young Garnett... He was an all-star in 1998 along with Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Grant Hill, Shawn Kemp, Penny Hardaway, and Pippen.. and of course MJ.
I certainly remember MJ crushing everyone in 1998... But it was in 2002 that it was really impressive - MJ was looking forward to his first meeting with Garnett as a Wizard, and he destroyed him pretty thoroughly.
[B]Garnett guarded 38-year old Jordan 5 times in a row mono-a-mono, and 5 times in a row he got dropped off[/B], with the announcers getting more excited each time... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embqhggoep4&t=4m00s[/url]... (vid is queued to the right place).
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MJ used to do Olajuwon like that too, taking him over and over, but at least MJ was in his prime then.. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7N_qSFAsP8[/url]
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why would Jordan look forward to playing a postcard forward? Unless you are saying its payback for losing his last meeting with Garnett in 1988? Or are you suggesting it was payback for all-star weekend when he mysteriously was put on Garnett? I think Garnett won MVP of that game??? Or maybe Jordan was anxious to break the Wolves winning streak? But that didn't happen either. Jordan is with out doubts GOAT but this is a strange post.
[QUOTE=Pointguard]Unless you are saying its payback for losing his last meeting with Garnett in 1988?[/QUOTE]
Huh?
[QUOTE=Pointguard]Or are you suggesting it was payback for all-star weekend when he mysteriously was put on Garnett? I think Garnett won MVP of that game???[/QUOTE] MJ won MVP of the 1998 all-star game, just like he won regular season MVP and Finals MVP.. this is 35-year old MJ vs. KG at the 98' all-star game - no different from 38 years of age, here's MJ "torching" the bigger, slower Garnett.
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[QUOTE=Pointguard]Or maybe Jordan was anxious to break the Wolves winning streak? But that didn't happen either. Jordan is with out doubts GOAT but this is a strange post.[/QUOTE]You have to understand - the reason MJ torched Garnett as a standard is because MJ was a true guard, not just quick for his size, so he was always a huge mismatch for bigger players..
In the 1993 Finals, the Suns tried to put Richard Dumas, a 6'8" running and jumping machine and budding superstar on MJ... it was a joke... MJ blew by him every time..
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_defenders_in_Final_5ace7152199370ef1a7bbf2800592a58.gif[/IMG]
Same thing against Rodman - MJ would embarrass him and hit game winners on him.
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And Shawn Marion in his prime in Phoenix got torched for 41 and had two game-winners hit on him... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg[/url]
Against Dominique, it was an after thought...
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[B]but by now you get the point.. MJ torching a bigger guy like Garnett was standard procedure.[/B]
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[QUOTE=dubeta]LeBron >> MJ[/QUOTE]
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I think OP raises a fantastic point against typical nut job arguments
a) Floor Jordan dominated even the best defenders during his Wizard stints
b) One doesn't merely stick a tall, long player on even old MJ and call it a day the way it shuts down jump shot happy derivative Kobe.
Why?
Jordan was way too quick, that's why you saw teams put Dumars, Starks, KJ on him more frequently to attempt to negate the insane quick off the dribble penetration that destroyed defenses from the inside out.
Taller guys couldn't stay in front of him: Rodman, Augmon, Ehlo, Gerald Wilkins or even at 38 - 40, prime Marion and KG were getting DESTROYED.
Bu bu bu bu bu BUT KG is the GOAT defender.
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Wizards Jordan was the most inefficient scorer in history. lol @ him "dominating" anyone.
These Jordan stans are straight retarded.
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[QUOTE=Jacks3]Wizards Jordan was the most inefficient scorer in history. lol @ him "dominating" anyone.
These Jordan stans are straight retarded.
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
He was 38, 39 and 40 years of age and had nights where he dropped off every single major player at that time.
His efficiency should not be knocked at that age any more than Lebron's equally low 47% TS in his rookie year.
Another thread about MJ's greatness and how superior he would be today. From the SAME poster too. Very original.
[QUOTE=The Immortal]Garnett was a solid perimeter defender.. for a 7foot power forward. Doesn't mean you could stick him on a wing player.
[B]Another thing to take note: KG had virtually zero help behind him after the initial drive[/B]. Also, they still won the game.. empty stats. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
But it was the 'zone era', with advanced defense being played :confusedshrug:
Flip Saunders along with Rick Carlisle were the only coaches back then who ran zone for more than the odd possession here and there.
[QUOTE=3ball]
MJ won MVP of the 1998 all-star game, just like he won regular season MVP and Finals MVP.. this is 35-year old MJ vs. KG at the 98' all-star game - no different from 38 years of age, here's MJ "torching" the bigger, slower Garnett.
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Its very obvious I'm talking about the year Garnett won. Jordan is too good to be stretching and avoiding stuff. Jordan was put on Garnett in 2003 all star game. It was just really awkward. I just saw a video where Derrick Rose layed Duncan up 12 times in 3 games. I don't create a thread about it. Great guys wing players get around power forwards. That's the way the game is played.
I just don't see Jordan getting up to be played by a power forward. Unless it was the reasons that I gave.
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You have to understand - the reason MJ torched Garnett as a standard is because MJ was a true guard, [B]not just quick for his size, [/B]so he was always a huge mismatch for bigger players.. [/quote]
If he's quick for his size and you want to highlight that you don't post a thread about him going around a true seven footer? That's not proving your point at all.
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In the 1993 Finals, the Suns tried to put Richard Dumas, a 6'8" running and jumping machine and budding superstar on MJ... it was a joke... MJ blew by him every time..
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_defenders_in_Final_5ace7152199370ef1a7bbf2800592a58.gif[/IMG] [/quote]
in 1993 he was perhaps the hardest person to guard ever in the league by anybody. Am I missing something??? MJ had the best first step, second step or last step the game has ever seen.
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]But it was the 'zone era', with advanced defense being played :confusedshrug:
Flip Saunders along with Rick Carlisle were the only coaches back then who ran zone for more than the odd possession here and there.[/QUOTE]
Flip Saunders and advanced defense is one heck of a contradiction.
[QUOTE=Jacks3]Wizards Jordan was the most inefficient scorer in history. lol @ him "dominating" anyone. [/QUOTE]
No one said he was able to sustain it. He had issues on back to backs, especially with a knee injuries at those ages. He did at times dominate, there is no denying that what so ever. I mean a 40 year old dropping 40+? Oldest ever to drop 50+?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/17hkW.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/17hkW.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
38/39 years old with no knees and getting the same production as [I]prime[/I] TMac and AI?
[IMG]http://cronkitehhh.jmc.asu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/obama-not-bad.jpeg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/17hkW.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
So dominant.
:bowdown:
Defenders are better today, but less effective. I mean they're smarter and more polished, but you can only do so much to get your hands in someone's face. These days a defender gets fouled for touching a guy's shorts and 90% of the blocking fouls you see called today would've been a charge back in the day.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/17hkW.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Wow he better then I thought. This is when he had no knees and 38. Holy crap
Speaking of old-as-dirt Jordan scoring on people known for their defense, here's a video of him doing fairly well against Shawn Marion back in the Suns days.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg[/url]