kobe [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN8h_LiEzIA[/url]
Jordan [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlwUFA5Sric[/url]
keep in mind. kobe had 17 straight years on his legs. jordan only had like 11 or 12 with a 2 year break inbetween
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kobe [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN8h_LiEzIA[/url]
Jordan [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlwUFA5Sric[/url]
keep in mind. kobe had 17 straight years on his legs. jordan only had like 11 or 12 with a 2 year break inbetween
kobes legs got a lot of rest when he was warming the bench.
All kobe does is dunk these days, not aesthetically pleasing imo
[QUOTE=Nowitness]kobes legs got a lot of rest when he was warming the bench.[/QUOTE]
lol kobe by age 34 played 45,390 season minutes, 8,641 playoff minutes
combined 54,031
by age 34 jordan played 35,887 season minutes, 7,474 playoff minutes
combined 43,361
kobe played 10,670 more minutes than jordan by the same age
the average season kobe plays 2700 minutes
10,670 divided by 2700 equals 3.95 years
meaning kobe had an extra 4 years worth of mileage on his legs
[SIZE="6"]and even with all that extra mileage. he was still throwing down dunks better than most rookies [/SIZE]
Kenneth my brother i usually admire the way you prop up our god kobe especially when the Lefag stans are around. but couldnt we just give it a rest for a day ?? let the haters refuel and search for some more ammunition. rather then trying to feed them some bait.
[QUOTE=Nowitness]kobes legs got a lot of rest when he was warming the bench.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
At 34 in the 1996-1997 season, Jordan got 70 dunks, which would rank 3rd in Kobe's entire career.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyOfgmXT8oo[/url]
:bowdown:
[QUOTE=3ball]At 34 in the 1996-1997 season, Jordan got 70 dunks, which would rank 3rd in Kobe's entire career.[/QUOTE]
GOAT GONNA GOAT :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
[QUOTE=3ball]At 34 in the 1996-1997 season, Jordan got 70 dunks, which would rank 3rd in Kobe's entire career.[/QUOTE]
:applause: :bowdown:
Pause at 0:16. Those are some big ass hands.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/7aAARTH.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=JohnMax]Pause at 0:16. Those are some big ass hands.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/7aAARTH.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Well, atleast MJ overcompensated in one area...
i saw them both and MJ was more athletic from the start and still was it at 34. No big difference but i saw one.
[QUOTE=L.A. Jazz]i saw them both and MJ was more athletic from the start and still was it at 34. No big difference but i saw one.[/QUOTE]
lol no
show me a jordan dunk from 1997 that matches the kobe dunk over josh smith
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]lol kobe by age 34 played 45,390 season minutes, 8,641 playoff minutes
combined 54,031
by age 34 jordan played 35,887 season minutes, 7,474 playoff minutes
combined 43,361
kobe played 10,670 more minutes than jordan by the same age
the average season kobe plays 2700 minutes
10,670 divided by 2700 equals 3.95 years
meaning kobe had an extra 4 years worth of mileage on his legs
[SIZE="6"]and even with all that extra mileage. he was still throwing down dunks better than most rookies [/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean much. Jordan's miles were MUCH harder as he busted his a** on both sides of the court every time he played; in practice, games, etc. He also drove MUCH more ferociously to the hole. Ask DWade and DRose how that affects your longevity.
I always got the feeling Kobe didn't have to work as hard, w/ Shaq and the big men he always had, where I always felt Jordan gave everything he had on the court and had to, to win pre-93 and especially pre-91.
Also, you don't think Jordan was busting it on the court everyday from 18-21 before he got in the NBA. He was going at people like Worthy, Perkins, etc. left and right every day. People seem to think wear and tear only happens in "the minutes of the games". Intense pickup games all day are gonna take more out of you than playing 35 minutes with breaks, etc. in a controlled situation. Anyone who's played ball all day at the park, in the gym, etc. knows what I mean.
Don't get me wrong, love Kobe, but Jordan's body took WAY more abuse per game, and every time he played.
[QUOTE=BIZARRO]Doesn't mean much. [B]Jordan's miles were MUCH harder as he busted his a** on both sides of the court every time he played[/B]; in practice, games, etc. He also drove MUCH more ferociously to the hole. Ask DWade and DRose how that affects your longevity.
I always got the feeling Kobe didn't have to work as hard, w/ Shaq and the big men he always had, where I always felt Jordan gave everything he had on the court and had to, to win pre-93 and especially pre-91.
Also, you don't think Jordan was busting it on the court everyday from 18-21 before he got in the NBA. He was going at people like Worthy, Perkins, etc. left and right every day. People seem to think wear and tear only happens in "the minutes of the games". Intense pickup games all day are gonna take more out of you than playing 35 minutes with breaks, etc. in a controlled situation. Anyone who's played ball all day at the park, in the gym, etc. knows what I mean.
Don't get me wrong, love Kobe, but Jordan's body took WAY more abuse per game, and every time he played.[/QUOTE]
oh ****ing come the **** on lol
i mean yeah jordans a slightly better defender. but kobe did garner an all time record 9 first team all defensive awards, and 12 all defensive teams overall
and kobe is also known as one of the hardest workers and gym rats in sports history
you friggin slimeball
:roll:
get off your high horse
i'm sure jordan didn't put 4 more years worth of mileage on his legs from just playing slightly better defense
i'm positive kobe spent more hours in the gym practicing aswell
gtfo ya bum
:roll:
Kobe played with Shaq which made his life easier and added more mileage on his legs.
While MJ had to carry and entire team since day 1 and play in a more physical era.
Not only was MJ a superior defender, he didn't take plays off on defense. On top of that, players didn't stand around and dribble the ball all day, so he had to run around all day and chase his man through screens.
We've already heard Kobe say how hard Rip and Reggie were to guard. Imagine having to guard players that were always moving every single game?
Teams would purposely make MJ work hard on defense to tire him out on offense, that was their best defense against MJ in many cases. Kobe takes far too many plays off on defense, and always had Shaq to back him up during his early seasons.
Btw...
MJ is the better dunker at every stage.
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]lol kobe by age 34 played 45,390 season minutes, 8,641 playoff minutes
combined 54,031
by age 34 jordan played 35,887 season minutes, 7,474 playoff minutes
combined 43,361
kobe played 10,670 more minutes than jordan by the same age
the average season kobe plays 2700 minutes
10,670 divided by 2700 equals 3.95 years
meaning kobe had an extra 4 years worth of mileage on his legs
[SIZE="6"]and even with all that extra mileage. he was still throwing down dunks better than most rookies [/SIZE][/QUOTE]
add the minutes he played in college too
Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant have different types of dunk styles. Jordan's huge hands allow for a lot more dunks, period, but the flushes like the one on Mutombo tend to feature less wind-up and arm-based authority (since it's just his palming hand flipping it down, more or less). Of the two links in the original post, I prefer the Kobe finish.
That said, I think it'd be more accurate (and interesting) if we compared each player's full season dunk clips for their 34th year of age. When Jordan opted to [i]not[/i] go the one-footed super palm route, I felt his style and authority were both pretty legit: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YR8VM270Zw#t=2m21s[/url]
Another I really liked: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZdNhE0AgrI#t=2m38s[/url]
Kobe looks like he's just getting any lift, he's not as explosive.
Meanwhile, MJ is still gliding smoothly, shifting his body in the air while pumping the ball to avoid defenders.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7H8nxZHgm0&channel=triklops[/url]
[url]http://youtu.be/ONzLZmGW6BQ?t=4m51s[/url]
[QUOTE=JohnMax]Pause at 0:16. Those are some big ass hands.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/7aAARTH.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
his hand, wtf.
I think what people miss out here is that Kobe has more flair as a dunker than MJ, he looks much smoother on his dunks (at least as KB24) to me, but MJ has always been a considerably better leaper, plus his huge hands allow him to do stuff Kobe was never able to (Kobe can't palm a basketball as well as Mike).
Jordan was flashier early in his career. At some point he just switched to efficiency. He just puts the ball through the cylinder as quickly as possible. In the process he will angle and contort his body as required and also elevate as required....no matter what the defense. Sheer beauty and force.
Kobe's dunk against the Nets is one of my favorite dunks of all time
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqsTJoLebzQ[/url]
Kobe was unexpectedly athletic that year
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[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]kobe [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN8h_LiEzIA[/url]
Jordan [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlwUFA5Sric[/url]
keep in mind. kobe had 17 straight years on his legs. jordan only had like 11 or 12 with a 2 year break inbetween[/QUOTE]
no deny for kobe has never as athlectic as any version of mj :bowdown:
[QUOTE=chazzy][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqsTJoLebzQ[/url]
Kobe was unexpectedly athletic that year[/QUOTE]
weak :(
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]oh ****ing come the **** on lol
i mean yeah jordans a slightly better defender. but kobe did garner an all time record 9 first team all defensive awards, and 12 all defensive teams overall
and kobe is also known as one of the hardest workers and gym rats in sports history
you friggin slimeball
:roll:
get off your high horse
i'm sure jordan didn't put 4 more years worth of mileage on his legs from just playing slightly better defense
i'm positive kobe spent more hours in the gym practicing aswell
gtfo ya bum
:roll:[/QUOTE]
did kobe ever win dpoy :lol
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]oh ****ing come the **** on lol
i mean yeah jordans a slightly better defender. but kobe did garner an all time record 9 first team all defensive awards, and 12 all defensive teams overall
and kobe is also known as one of the hardest workers and gym rats in sports history
you friggin slimeball
:roll:
get off your high horse
i'm sure jordan didn't put 4 more years worth of mileage on his legs from just playing slightly better defense
i'm positive kobe spent more hours in the gym practicing aswell
gtfo ya bum
:roll:[/QUOTE]
kobe never can play this types of defence like mike did
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gigN2zMU4[/url] :rockon:
This has been debated to death.
It was agreed on another thread that Kobe is a better dunker than MJ.
By raising the age to 34 would give MJ a chance for comparison and that is even questionable. He didn't have many great dunks at that age compared to Kobe.
[QUOTE=9erempiree]This has been debated to death.
It was agreed on another thread that Kobe is a better dunker than MJ.
By raising the age to 34 would give MJ a chance for comparison and that is even questionable. He didn't have many great dunks at that age compared to Kobe.[/QUOTE]
kobe can't even dunk on free throw line :lol
[QUOTE=Paul George 24]kobe can't even dunk on free throw line :lol[/QUOTE]
:facepalm for thinking what makes a good dunker is a free throw line dunk.
They will get you a very low score in a dunk contest.
I have to go with MJ here
[QUOTE=9erempiree]:facepalm for thinking what makes a good dunker is a free throw line dunk.
They will get you a very low score in a dunk contest.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Ibaka dunk from behind the line? And they didn't even give the nikka a 50 for the longest dunk in NBA slam dunk history :facepalm
Kobe was a better dunker in his 30s than MJ.
Younger MJ, in his first 7 or so years, is one of my favorite dunkers. With Carter being first and Nique being second. Kemp up there as well. Actually Kobe as well, Doc, KJ (less frequent due to his height, but he had a couple of classics).
[QUOTE=Stringer Bell]Kobe was a better dunker in his 30s than MJ.
Younger MJ, in his first 7 or so years, is one of my favorite dunkers. With Carter being first and Nique being second. Kemp up there as well.[/QUOTE]
:applause: :applause:
MJ toned down the dunking by the second threepeat.
It's unnecessary wear and tear on the knees (jumping higher means coming down harder on the knees, that's really what kills you as a basketball player).
But he could still get up when he wanted to as evidence by dunking on Mutombo and what not.