Kobe is Mismatch for Lebron 1-on-1: Video

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Here's a beautiful video of 1-on-1 plays between Kobe and Lebron:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JABKg2azkp0[/url]



Not surprising that Kobe was a big mismatch for Lebron: too much quickness and moves for a forward to handle.

This is similar to when Jordan was a big mismatch for taller defenders like [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]Dennis Rodman[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url].

Ultimately, Jordan and Kobe were a bigger mismatch versus ALL defenders, because they destroyed all the guards, and they were too quick with too many moves for forwards like Dennis Rodman, Lebron, Dominique, Grant Hill, Boris Diaw or Kawhi Leonard.

Also, when forwards defend guards, it messes up the rotations and matchups for the rest of the team - this is an added benefit to having a SG that can destroy the other SG and force a switch.
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[QUOTE=3ball].
Here's a beautiful video of 1-on-1 plays between Kobe and Lebron:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JABKg2azkp0[/url]



Not surprising that Kobe was a big mismatch for Lebron: too much quickness and moves for a forward to handle.

[B]This is similar to when Jordan was a big mismatch for taller defenders[/B] like [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]Dennis Rodman[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url].

Ultimately, Jordan and Kobe were a bigger mismatch versus ALL defenders, because they destroyed all the guards, and they were too quick and had too many moves for forwards like Dennis Rodman, Lebron, Dominique, Grant Hill, Boris Diaw or Kawhi Leonard.

Also, when forwards defend guards, it messes up the rotations and matchups for the rest of the team - this is an added benefit to having a SG that can destroy the other SG and force a switch.[/QUOTE]
impressive. you managed to write two full sentences before bringing up jordan this time

[QUOTE=red1]impressive. you managed to write two full sentences before bringing up jordan this time[/QUOTE]

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:roll: LEBRON　IN　HIS　ATHLETIC PRIME forced to posting up kobe from half court cause of his lack of handles

Hmm seems like he very seldom was able to actually beat LeBron off the dribble, and most of those are just very well-defended jumpers that he made.

OP trying so hard to find ways to group Jordan in with the GOAT:facepalm .

[QUOTE=Prometheus]Hmm seems like he very seldom was able to actually beat LeBron off the dribble, and most of those are just very well-defended jumpers that he made.[/QUOTE]

I watched the entire video, and it's just Kobe hitting very well-defended jumpers. I like Kobe, so I'm kind of disappointed to see that even the most biased video footage (of which this is clearly an extreme example) only has Kobe beating LeBron off the dribble a small handful of times in their entire careers playing against each other.

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[B]I watched the entire video[/B]

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you couldn't have watched the whole video, because kobe takes lebron to the rack a ton (1:33, 3:25, 3:51, 3:56, 4:50, 6:08, 7:24, 7:50) and posts him up all through the video as if lebron is the smaller player.

oh, and he dunks on him twice too - at the 9:16 mark and again at the 11:05 mark.

you guys and your lebron-love.. literally causes posters to lie itt.

also, the fact that lebron can't defend kobe's pull-up is the case in point - lebron has to give kobe extra room to prevent getting juked by one of kobe's infinite moves, and to prevent the blow-bys that happened at 1:33, 3:25, 3:51, 3:56, 4:50, 6:08, 7:24, and 7:50.
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[QUOTE=The Immortal]Reason is simple: LeBron is a smart defender and the Cavaliers since the Mike Brown era (05-10) have always been a good defensive teams.[/QUOTE]

Lebron actually is a really good team defender. Although I just hate the fact that he has such lazy tendencies on that side of the ball, e.g. not boxing out, not closing out with a hand up and cherry picking.

[QUOTE=Prometheus][B]I watched the entire video[/B], and it's just Kobe hitting very well-defended jumpers. I like Kobe, so I'm kind of disappointed to see that even the most biased video footage (of which this is clearly an extreme example) only has Kobe beating LeBron off the dribble a small handful of times in their entire careers playing against each other.[/QUOTE]

no you didn't.

A highlight video.

All your arguments come from highlight videos, the same highlight videos that can make any player look good.

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no you didn't.

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Prometheus proving himself to be a liar - Kobe takes Lebron to the rack at 1:33, 3:25, 3:51, 3:56, 4:50, 6:08, 7:24, 7:50, and posts him up throughout the video as if lebron is the smaller player.

and dunks on him at the 9:16 mark and 11:05 mark.

also, the fact that lebron can't defend kobe's pull-up jumper is the case in point - lebron has to give kobe extra room and respect to avoid getting juked by kobe's moves and to avoid the blow-by's that are time-stamped above - a quicker-defending guard (as opposed to a slower forward) would be able to get in Kobe's chest more and not worry about the blow-by..

[QUOTE=Fire Colangelo]A highlight video.

All your arguments come from highlight videos, the same highlight videos that can make any player look good.[/QUOTE]
It's 3ball. Expect a few over saturated gifs, incoherent fringe arguments, and repeated post over and over.

Kobe would beat MJ and vice versa.

LeBron would beat Kobe and vice versa.

Durant would beat LeBron and vice versa.

Nobody would destroy anybody. These are not legends against bums.

Anybody saying otherwise is a blind homer.

[QUOTE=navy]It's 3ball. Expect a few over saturated gifs, incoherent fringe arguments, and repeated post over and over.[/QUOTE]

It's sad really, he's an informed poster, but decides to post on the level like dubeta on these boards.

[QUOTE=Fire Colangelo]A highlight video.

All your arguments come from highlight videos, the same highlight videos that can make any player look good.[/QUOTE]

90% of the arguments on ISH are based on highlight videos...

the board on average isn't old enough to have watched anyone live that was playing before 2004 :lol

[QUOTE=Fire Colangelo]It's sad really, he's an informed poster, but decides to post on the level like dubeta on these boards.[/QUOTE]
Yep. I hear he was like this and got banned on other boards as well.

[QUOTE=deja vu]Kobe would beat MJ and vice versa.

LeBron would beat Kobe and vice versa.

Durant would beat LeBron and vice versa.

Nobody would destroy anybody. These are not legends against bums.

Anybody saying otherwise is a blind homer.[/QUOTE]
you're missing the point of the thread - which is that quick SG's like Kobe and Jordan are bigger mismatches than forwards are against the total range of defenders they face, which means when they are matched up with forward, they hurt the other team more than if it was just two forwards matched up.

they destroy their fellow guards, and are [I]actual mismatches[/I] for forwards and bigs - a mismatch means the other team is hurt by allowing it to persist - in this case, the forward's quickness disadvantage is a constant threat and disadvantage to his team's defense.

[QUOTE=3ball]you're missing the point of the thread - which is that quick SG's like Kobe and Jordan are bigger mismatches than forwards are against the total range of defenders they face, which means when they are matched up with forward, they hurt the other team more than if it was just two forwards matched up.

they destroy their fellow guards, and are [I]actual mismatches[/I] for forwards and bigs - a mismatch means the other team is hurt by allowing it to persist - in this case, the forward's quickness disadvantage is a constant threat and disadvantage to his team's defense.[/QUOTE]

Just like how forwards are too fast/big for guards to guard them, creating mismatches also?

[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]Just like how forwards are too fast/big for guards to guard them, creating mismatches also?[/QUOTE]
forwards aren't too fast for guards, it's the other way around.

forwards are bigger, but if the forward isn't specifically a big man that plays inside already, that's a harder thing to take advantage of than speed.

that's why when diaw was guarding lebron, it didn't hurt the spurs at all, but it would have if that was kobe or jordan - said another way, a forward against another forward was not a mismatch in that spot, but a quick SG against a forward would have been.

[QUOTE=3ball]forwards aren't too fast for guards, it's the other way around.

forwards are bigger, but if the forward isn't specifically a big man that plays inside already, that's a harder thing to take advantage of than speed.

that's why when diaw was guarding lebron, it didn't hurt the spurs at all, but it would have if that was kobe or jordan - said another way, a forward against another forward was not a mismatch in that spot, but a quick SG against a forward would have been.[/QUOTE]
That's why they have leonard to guard kobe. Remember 1/14?

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Nobody would destroy anybody.

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Jordan would... he's the consensus GOAT with the best overall package of stats, athleticism, skills/moves, and fundamentals.


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LeBron would beat Kobe and vice versa.

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the video in the OP proves this isn't true - kobe scored on lebron much easier than lebron scores on kobe.


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These are not legends against bums.

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the point of the thread is to show that Kobe scored on Lebron easily and at will - it was a mismatch, where the forward's quickness deficit (lebron) put his team defense at a perpetual disadvantage.

and given how easy it was for kobe, just imagine how much more dominant MJ would have been against lebron - and this is what happens when you have a quick guard being defended by a forward - it's a dangerous quickness mismatch that the other team can't allow to persist.
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3ball with the edits.

[QUOTE=navy]3ball with the edits.[/QUOTE]
the [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JABKg2azkp0][u]video in the OP[/u][/url] proves that kobe scored on lebron very easily and very often - but the point of the thread is really to demonstrate that if it's this easy for kobe, just think how much Jordan would dominate lebron.

it shouldn't be a surprise... not only was Jordan always a massive mismatch for bigger defenders like [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]Dennis Rodman[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url], but we already know that quick SG's against forwards is one of the worst mismatches a team can face - it's a mismatch where the forward's quickness disadvantage threatens the team's overall defense.
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[QUOTE=3ball]the point of the thread wasn't only to show how easy and often kobe scored on lebron (which the video did pretty well obviously), but to demonstrate that if it's this easy for kobe, just think how much Jordan would dominate lebron.

it shouldn't be a surprise... not only was Jordan always a massive mismatch for bigger defenders like [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]Dennis Rodman[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url], but we already know that quick SG's are always a dangerous mismatch for slower forwards - it's a mismatch where the forward's quickness disadvantage threatens the team's overall defense.[/QUOTE]

jordan would not dominate Lebron though, just as how Kobe never dominated Lebron

[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]jordan would not dominate Lebron though, just as how Kobe never dominated Lebron[/QUOTE]

[B][SIZE="3"]How well would Jordan score on Lebron?... Short answer:[/SIZE][/B]

[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]MJ made Dennis Rodman look worse[/u][/url] than guys like Paul George, Paul Pierce, Kobe and Kawhi Leonard make Lebron look... :confusedshrug:... not sure how you argue against that.


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Lebron's never faced anyone with Jordan's [I]scoring frequency[/I], aggressiveness, and stamina - Jordan would score on Lebron the easiest of them all, and that would be a lot because today's players were already were doing well against him.

Now let's look at how well Jordan would [I]defend[/I] Lebron - he'd do at least as well as Boris Diaw, fossil Paul Pierce or Gordon Hayward... wow, that was easy to explain (that's what happens when your offensive game is pretty rigid and not unstoppable).

[QUOTE=3ball][B][SIZE="3"]How well would Jordan score on Lebron?[/SIZE][/B]... Short answer: [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]MJ made Dennis Rodman look worse[/u][/url] than guys like Paul George, Paul Pierce, Kobe and Kawhi Leonard make Lebron look... :confusedshrug:... not sure how you argue against that.


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Lebron's never faced anyone with Jordan's [I]scoring frequency[/I], aggressiveness, and stamina - Jordan would score on Lebron the easiest of them all, and that would be a lot because today's players were already were doing well against him.

Now let's look at how well Jordan would [I]defend[/I] Lebron - he'd do at least as well as Boris Diaw, fossil Paul Pierce or Gordon Hayward... wow, that was easy to explain (that's what happens when your offensive game is pretty rigid and not unstoppable).[/QUOTE]

so basically your making an assumption based on your beliefs and opinions

[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]so basically your making an assumption based on your beliefs and opinions[/QUOTE]
it's not an assumption - it's the truth that Jordan [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]scored on Rodman a lot easier and better[/u][/url] than Paul George, Kobe, Kawhi Leonard and others scored on Lebron.

on defense, he'd do at least as well as Boris Diaw, fossil Paul Pierce or Gordon Hayward... (that's what happens when your offensive game is pretty rigid and not unstoppable - you can be adequately defended by slow forwards - could never happen with Jordan or Kobe though)..

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so basically your making an assumption based on your beliefs and opinions

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it's not an assumption - it's the truth that Jordan [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]scored on Rodman easier[/u][/url] than Paul George, Kobe, Kawhi Leonard, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Pierce scored on Lebron.

not only is jordan better than those guys, but rodman is a better defender than lebron as well, so it only makes sense to conclude that jordan would be a massive mismatch for lebron, just like he was against all bigger defenders, such as [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]Dennis Rodman[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url].
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[QUOTE=3ball]it's not an assumption - it's the truth that Jordan [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]scored on Rodman easier[/u][/url] than Paul George, Kobe, Kawhi Leonard, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Pierce scored on Lebron.

not only is jordan better than those guys, but rodman is a better defender than lebron as well, so it only makes sense to conclude that jordan would be a massive mismatch for lebron, just like he was against all bigger defenders, such as [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url].[/QUOTE]

so its still an opinion?

[QUOTE=3ball]it's not an assumption - it's the truth that Jordan [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]scored on Rodman easier[/u][/url] than Paul George, Kobe, Kawhi Leonard, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Pierce scored on Lebron.

not only is jordan better than those guys, but rodman is a better defender than lebron as well, so it only makes sense to conclude that jordan would be a massive mismatch for lebron, just like he was against all bigger defenders, such as [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url].[/QUOTE]

These transitive arguments you keep making A>B B>C therefore A>C don't work in sports. It's all about matchups.

[QUOTE=ThatCoolKid]These transitive arguments you keep making A>B B>C therefore A>C don't work in sports. [/QUOTE]
true, but as you can see, the video shows kobe scoring easily on lebron, which means jordan would score even easier.

kobe's dominance of the league has always just been an advertisement for how much greater jordan would be.


[QUOTE]It's all about matchups.[/QUOTE]
exactly - which is why OP's video of Kobe scoring so easily on Lebron is not surprising - quick SG's have always been big mismatches for slower forwards.

a quickness deficit is the most threatening to a defense, and the forward's quickness deficit makes the entire team defense more vulnerable - this is why out of all the positions, quick SG's present the biggest mismatches against the entire range of possible defenders.
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To even it out a little bit, here's a shot from '08 LeBron over Kobe at the end of a game in LA to put the Cavs up by 3.

[URL="http://youtu.be/hcWlEXrYjLE?t=11m47s"]http://youtu.be/hcWlEXrYjLE?t=11m47s[/URL]

Still remember when it was crunch time and Lebron was defending Kobe, he hit 3 straight jumpers from the same spot with the last one being a game-winner

Lebron deferred to Ilgauskas in that game as well, I think he had a season-high scoring game too and scored one of the big baskets in the final minute.

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so its still an opinion?

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You think it's just my opinion that Jordan scored better on Rodman, than Paul George, Kawhi and others scored on Lebron?

The eyetest of watching [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]MJ's FG's on Rodman[/u][/url] shows that Jordan scored more frequently and spectacularly on a better defender (Rodman), than inferior scorers (Paul George, Kawhi, etc) scored on a worse defender (Lebron).

As easy as Kobe scores on Lebron in OP's video, does it compare to the more spectacular plays and higher frequency that Jordan had on Rodman?

Point me to where Kobe, Kawhi, or any of these guys' highlights compare - Have any of these guys ever hit a game-winner on lebron, had a GOAT hangtime finish on a jumpshot, or dunked on 3 guys after the blow-by like MJ did on Rodman below?.. How about all three?


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Lebron is an inferior defender to Rodman, and Jordan scores much better than Kobe, Kawhi, and the like: that means Jordan would destroy Lebron.

Jordan scored better against a better defender, than inferior scorers scored on a worse defender.

[B]in b4 someone posts something inferior to the plays above[/B]
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1-on-1 being slightly shorter but considerably faster off the first step is a huge advantage.

Kobe would beat LeBron 1-on-1 IMO at any comparable age.

Where's LeBron's offensive highlights? I remember he made Kobe fall with a spin move in 2010. Didn't convert because he got tripped up by Bryant's feet on the ground.

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Lebron is an inferior defender to Rodman, and Jordan scores much better than Kobe, Kawhi, and the like: that means Jordan would destroy Lebron.

Jordan scored better against a better defender, than inferior scorers scored on a worse defender.

[B]in b4 someone posts something inferior to the plays above[/B]
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Thats so wrong in so many ways.
And no, Kobe at his best is the best scorer of all time and I dont even like the guy.
Jordan would have a tough time scoring on Lebron too. Half of those tough shots Kobe scored in that video would not fall in for Jordan.