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lebron has become old, low-flyer... takes extra time to set up Jordan Lean-In.. mechanical, no fluidity.. :facepalm
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You're obsessed.
I suspect half my bandwidth is spent loading up 3ball posts.
[QUOTE=navy]You're obsessed.[/QUOTE]
just keeping it real... gotta call out the low-flyers.. :banana:
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[QUOTE=dunksby]I suspect half my bandwidth is spent loading up 3ball posts.[/QUOTE]
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I am going to disagree with the OP. Jordan didn't invent the "jordan lean-in" as you like to call it.
Just like there is no such thing as Jordan fade away, Jordan hook shot, Jordan chewing gum and Jordan is the only black player.
MIke is a better 2 legged jumper
Lebron is a better 1 legged jumper
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]MIke is a better 2 legged jumper
Lebron is a better 1 legged jumper[/QUOTE]
they're pretty equal off one leg - jordan cocks it back from the FT line with ease - lebron isn't doing any [I]better[/I] than that.
certainly, they are closer off one leg than they are off two - Lebron has almost no chest-to-chest posters over defenders off two legs (in b4 damon jones), while jordan has tons off one or two legs.
also, by the age of 29, jordan jumped higher either way.
Bruce Blitz ?
haha look at nance's reaction in that first jordan gif - he's like "[I]holy crap, i want no part of this, get that ball away from me[/I]"
[QUOTE=3ball]they're pretty equal off one leg - jordan cocks it back from the FT line with ease - lebron isn't doing any [I]better[/I] than that.
certainly, they are closer off one leg than they are off two - Lebron has almost no chest-to-chest posters over defenders off two legs (in b4 damon jones), while jordan has tons off one or two legs.
also, by the age of 29, jordan jumped higher either way.[/QUOTE]
Lebron>>>Jordan off one foot
[QUOTE=Cocaine80s]Lebron>>>Jordan off one foot[/QUOTE]
nah... lebron's peak vs jordan's peak off one leg is about the same.
and now at age 29, jordan is easily > of one leg than lebron.
of course, off two legs, a lot of guys jump higher than lebron, let alone jordan.
[QUOTE=3ball]nah... lebron's peak vs jordan's peak off one leg is about the same.
and now at age 29, jordan is easily > of one leg than lebron.
of course, off two legs, a lot of guys jump higher than lebron, let alone jordan.[/QUOTE]
Nah jordan is much worse off one leg compared to lebron at his peak
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Jordan had a documented 48 inch vertical... i'll prove it to you in a sec..
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[B]Jordan had a documented 48" vertical:
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Here's an article by Tim Grover where he documented Jordan's vertical at his sports academy... [url]http://www.si.com/edge/2014/10/16/tim-grover-talent-isnt-enough[/url]
Here is a study done by researchers at UNC on Jordan's vertical... [url]http://www.jospt.org/doi/pdf/10.2519/jospt.1999.29.1.A1[/url]
Also, in the first GIF from the OP, Jordan's head looks like it gets above the rim - i could probably pause it at the right time and jordan's head would be at the rim vs Nance...
here are photos of Jordan with his head over the rim:
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plz show me jordan doing this in a game:rolleyes: .. look how easy it was for him at full speed [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z4H9UklTQM[/url]
Yes Jordan's dunks are nicer than LeBron's.
OP needs therapy.
Nobody has ever argued LeBron's anywhere close to being the 2 footed leaper MJ was. And why post gifs of a 24, 25 and 28 year old MJ when LeBron's 2 weeks short of his 30th birthday? MJ's leaping ability by 30(1993) had seen a noticeable dip too.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]MIke is a better 2 legged jumper
Lebron is a better 1 legged jumper[/QUOTE]
you're talking out of your ass if you think mike was an inferior one-legged jumper.
dude dunked from the friggin foul line. that's planting on one foot and then flying.
Looks like a regular two foot dunk to me. :confusedshrug:
What's next, LeBron shoots a turnaround and you post six gifs of better looking MJ turnarounds? Who the f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck cares? 2 points is 2 points.
EDIT: Two foot, not two handed
Not exactly a bald eagle.
[QUOTE=DCL]you're talking out of your ass if you think mike was an inferior one-legged jumper.
dude dunked from the friggin foul line. that's planting on one foot and then flying.[/QUOTE]
So what? LeBron did that in game, essentially.
Not to be disrespectful, but why are we comparing MJ when he's basically in top athletic shape to the version of LBJ that's declined athletically? I mean LBJ will probably surpass the total minutes MJ played as a Bull by the end of this year (depending on his MPG and the extent of their assumed playoff run). He's got a ton of wear/tear on his legs, especially since he's carried so much more weight for so long.
MJ was a hecka of leaper off one or both feet, and LBJ's no slouch.
Why is OP so obsessed with LeBron and Jordan comparisons? I feel like I can't open a thread without some 3ball comparisons popping up.
Actually thinking about pulling a Droid101 and using the IL.
Can't he post this shit all in one thread maybe in the Chicago Bulls fan forum?
[QUOTE=3ball]they're pretty equal off one leg - jordan cocks it back from the FT line with ease - lebron isn't doing any [I]better[/I] than that.
certainly, they are closer off one leg than they are off two - Lebron has almost no chest-to-chest posters over defenders off two legs (in b4 damon jones), while jordan has tons off one or two legs.
[B]also, by the age of 29, jordan jumped higher either way.[/B][/QUOTE]
Despite the fact that LeBron outweighs Jordan's playing weight by nearly 50 pounds.
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all I see is Kevin Love throwing an off timing pass which forced Lebron to take one extra dribble
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lebron at 260 gets his head above rim level
imagine if he was a twig like jordan
3Ball, why are you trying to tear down a nice dunk, and a great game from Lebron? I certainly agree that Jordan is a generally better leaper off two feet than Lebron, and an equivalent leaper off one foot, particularly when given the differences in their height. However, Lebron's had some nice dunks off two feet, it's not like he's a pathetic two foot jumper. In fact I'd say his two foot jump is at least 36-37 inches based on sometimes I've seen him a few inches below rim level when jumping off two feet. But generally, I agree he doesn't show a huge amount of explosiveness off two feet.
I like a lot of your arguments and insights, and firmly believe Jordan is the GOAT, (with the caveat that we can't watch nearly as many of the older greats to fully compare). However, when you're constantly trying to tear down Lebron in comparison to Jordan, it doesn't help your points, it only makes you look insecure. This is friendly advice, please take it as such.
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lebron at 260 gets his head above rim level
imagine if he was a twig like jordan[/QUOTE]
Then maybe Lebron would be as quick as Jordan with as lethal of a first step. But he's not 50 pounds lighter and he's not nearly as quick as Jordan, especially now. It's simply a trade off. If you are genetically designed to be built like a tank, you're going to have the advantages - and disadvantages - of being that big.
[B]Only VC rivals Jordan..... No one wants to be near LBJ when that freight truck is coming.[/B]
[QUOTE=Rameek][B]Only VC rivals Jordan..... No one wants to be near LBJ when that freight truck is coming.[/B][/QUOTE]
:eek: omg I hate freight trucks.
[QUOTE=Prometheus]:eek: omg I hate freight trucks.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Prometheus]:eek: omg I hate freight trucks.[/QUOTE]
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whatever it is you're looking at, lebron did it better.
OP is ill in the head. Can't believe a person can be so obsessed.
[QUOTE=3ball]Jordan had a documented 48 inch vertical... i'll prove it to you in a sec..[/QUOTE]so, being 6'6 in shoes, mi could get the top of his head half a foot over the rim?
[QUOTE=j3lademaster]so, being 6'6 in shoes, mi could get the top of his head half a foot over the rim?[/QUOTE]
[B]Yes, if he was in a test environment and not in a game or trying to contort his body for a dunk contest - indeed, Jordan had a documented 48" vertical:
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Here's an article by Tim Grover where he documented Jordan's vertical at his sports academy... [url]http://www.si.com/edge/2014/10/16/tim-grover-talent-isnt-enough[/url]
Here is a study done by researchers at UNC on Jordan's vertical... [url]http://www.jospt.org/doi/pdf/10.2519/jospt.1999.29.1.A1[/url]
Also, in the first GIF from the OP, Jordan's head looks like it gets above the rim - i could probably pause it at the right time and jordan's head would be at the rim vs Nance...
here are photos of Jordan with his head over the rim:
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[QUOTE=3ball][B]Yes, if he was in a test environment and not in a game or trying to contort his body for a dunk contest - indeed, Jordan had a documented 48" vertical:
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Here's an article by Tim Grover where he documented Jordan's vertical at his sports academy... [url]http://www.si.com/edge/2014/10/16/tim-grover-talent-isnt-enough[/url]
Here is a study done by researchers at UNC on Jordan's vertical... [url]http://www.jospt.org/doi/pdf/10.2519/jospt.1999.29.1.A1[/url]
Also, in the first GIF from the OP, Jordan's head looks like it gets above the rim - i could probably pause it at the right time and jordan's head would be at the rim vs Nance...
here are photos of Jordan with his head over the rim:
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:eek: wow Jordan's head is so far above the rim. Looks more like a 50-52" vert.
3ball HAS to be Bruce Blitz. Dude's wayyy too obsessed with Michael Jordan