66-67 When Wilt Finally Had a Roster that Equaled Russell's

I have long mainatined that in the '66-67 season, Wilt finally had a roster that EQUALED Russell's.

How about these interesting numbers from the '66-67 EDF's, which was a Philly 4-1 series blowout win...


Philly outscored Boston, per game, in that series, by a 121.2 ppg to 111.2 ppg margin... or +10.0 ppg.
Remove the Wilt-Russell match-up, and Boston held a 101.0 ppg to 99.4 ppg margin... or a -1.6 deficit margin for Philly.
Wilt outscored Russell, per game, by a 21.6 ppg to 10.2 ppg margin... or +11.4 ppg.

Philly outrebounded Boston, per game, by a 67.8 rpg to 60.8 rpg margin... or +7.0 rpg.
Without the Wilt-Russell match-up, and Boston held a 37.4 rpg to 35.8 rpg margin... or a -1.6 rpg deficit margin for Philly.
Wilt outrebounded Russell, per game, by a 32.0 rpg to 23.4 rpg margin... or +9.6 rpg.

Philly outassisted Boston, per game, by a 25.4 apg to 24.4 apg margin... or +1.0 apg.
Without the Wilt-Russell H2H's...Boston held a 18.4 rpg to 15.4 apg margin... or a -3.0 apg deficit margin for Philly.
Wilt outassisted Russell, per game, by a 10.0 apg to 6.0 apg margin... or +4.0 apg.

Philly outshot Boston from the field in that series by a .448 to .403 FG% margin... or +.045.
Without the Wilt-Russell match-up, Philly outshot Boston by a .431 to .408 FG% margin... or +.023.
Wilt outshot Russell from the field in that series by a .556 to .358 FG% margin... or +.198.



Oh, and in their known blocked shots in that series, Chamberlain held a 29-8 margin.

In any case, remove the Wilt-Russell match-ups from that series, and it was basically dead-even.
Include the Wilt-Russell match-ups, and it was a Philly rout across the board.

Does Bill Russell have stans?

[QUOTE=JohnMax]Does Bill Russell have stans?[/QUOTE]

go to boston and look around

11 vs 2.

We are in 2015, i don't give a shit!

[QUOTE=JohnMax]Does Bill Russell have stans?[/QUOTE]

Bill Simmons is one...

Not that that is saying much of anything.

[QUOTE=nba_55]We are in 2015, i don't give a shit![/QUOTE]

Thanks for taking the time to read the topic and also reply to it...

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]11 vs 2.[/QUOTE]

1-0 When Wilt had an EQUAL roster, that was healthy. And BTW, it wasn't even close, either. In fact, Philly was a four point loss away in game four, from a SWEEP.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Thanks for taking the time to read the topic and also reply to it...[/QUOTE]
You think I read that shit! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]1-0 When Wilt had an EQUAL roster, that was healthy.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://cjzero.com/gifs/YawningBillRussell.gif[/IMG]

11-2.

[QUOTE=nba_55]You think I read that shit! :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

I doubt you can...

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I doubt you can...[/QUOTE]

You right! I don't have the patience to sit and read those useless texts, grandpa! I've got more fun things to do.

[QUOTE=nba_55]You right! I don't have the patience to sit and read those useless texts, grandpa! I've got more fun things to do.[/QUOTE]

Well, thanks for taking the time out of your busy day to comment on them, anyway...

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Well, thanks for taking the time out of your busy day to comment on them, anyway...[/QUOTE]

I am not busy. I am just having fun making fun of you, grandpappy!

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317843[/url]

:applause:

No one ****ing cares. Klay Thompson >>>> Wilt

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew][url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317843[/url]

:applause:[/QUOTE]

Wilt's "declining" play from his regular season H2H's and his post-season H2H's with Russell...

Wilt in '60 regular season against Russell: 39.1 ppg, 29.7 rpg, .465 FG%
EDF's: 30.5 ppg, 27.0 rpg, .500 FG%

'62 regular season against Russell: 39.7 ppg, 28.8 rpg, .468 FG%
EDF's: 33.6 ppg, 26.9 rpg, .468 FG%

'64 regular season against Russell: 29.1 ppg, 26.9 rpg, .530 FG%
Finals: 29.2 ppg, 27.8 rpg, .517 FG%

'65 regular season against Russell: 25.4 ppg, 26.5 rpg, .473 FG%
EDF's: 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, .555 FG%

'66 regular season against Russell: 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, .473 FG%
EDF's: 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, .509 FG%

'67 regular season against Russell: 20.3 ppg, 26.7 rpg, .549 FG%
EDF's: 21.6 ppg, 32.0 rpg, .556 FG%

'68 regular season against Russell: 17.1 ppg, 26.1 rpg., .471 FG%
EDF's: 22.1 ppg, 25.1 rpg, .487

'69 regular season against Russell: 16.0 ppg, 24.0 rpg, .493 FG%
Finals: 11.7 ppg, 25.0 rpg, .500 FG%

From what I read/heard about Russels Celtics. They were going to do 2 things.

1. They would try and stop Wilt as a team
2. Their strategy was to take more shots and get more rebounds in route to a victory.

So to say Wilt had an equal roster,
It may as well have said he had a team that figured out how to stop the latter strategy.

[IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/grthr.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Wilt's "declining" play from his regular season H2H's and his post-season H2H's with Russell...

Wilt in '60 regular season against Russell: 39.1 ppg, 29.7 rpg, .465 FG%
EDF's: 30.5 ppg, 27.0 rpg, .500 FG%

'62 regular season against Russell: 39.7 ppg, 28.8 rpg, .468 FG%
EDF's: 33.6 ppg, 26.9 rpg, .468 FG%

'64 regular season against Russell: 29.1 ppg, 26.9 rpg, .530 FG%
Finals: 29.2 ppg, 27.8 rpg, .517 FG%

'65 regular season against Russell: 25.4 ppg, 26.5 rpg, .473 FG%
EDF's: 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, .555 FG%

'66 regular season against Russell: 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, .473 FG%
EDF's: 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, .509 FG%

'67 regular season against Russell: 20.3 ppg, 26.7 rpg, .549 FG%
EDF's: 21.6 ppg, 32.0 rpg, .556 FG%

'68 regular season against Russell: 17.1 ppg, 26.1 rpg., .471 FG%
EDF's: 22.1 ppg, 25.1 rpg, .487

'69 regular season against Russell: 16.0 ppg, 24.0 rpg, .493 FG%
Finals: 11.7 ppg, 25.0 rpg, .500 FG%[/QUOTE]
Still lost.

Basketball is a team sport, so it must be looked at as one. Not this bullshit individual shit you all talk about all day.

[QUOTE=KembaWalker][IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/grthr.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/sam-jones/sam-jones-shooting.jpg[/img]
[B]Sam Jones drops the game winner from outside.... in '62, '64... [/B]

[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/celtics/HavlicekSteal358x308.jpg[/img]

[B]Havlicek bailed out choker Russell, who got totally shook after Chamberlain went 10-0 on the Celtics including 2 clutch free throws in that 4th Q... and threw the ball into the guywire.
Russell: "Bail me out, guys, we gotta do somethin'."
[/B]
[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/sam-jones/sam-jones-shooting.jpg[/img]
[B]'65, '68...
Russell: you gotta save us, Sam.
[/B]
[img]http://i2.hoopchina.com.cn/blogfile/201207/16/134241453748427.jpg[/img]
[B]Bailey Howell goes brutal, saves the day in the '68 playoffs over and over...[/B]

[img] http://www.nba.com/media/playoffs2004/historic_69_sam_jones_shot_grab.jpg[/img]
[B]Sam Jones saves the day {again, after again, again, again, again, and again} with the Picket Fence....
[/B]
[img]http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/don-nelson-boston-celtics-vintage-photos11-99-t4251728-170.jpg[/img]
[B]Don Nelson clanks in probably the luckiest Finals shot in NBA history in '69.[/B]

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi][img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/sam-jones/sam-jones-shooting.jpg[/img]
[B]Sam Jones drops the game winner from outside.... in '62, '64... [/B]

[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/celtics/HavlicekSteal358x308.jpg[/img]

[B]Havlicek bailed out choker Russell, who got totally shook after Chamberlain went 10-0 on the Celtics including 2 clutch free throws in that 4th Q... and threw the ball into the guywire.
Russell: "Bail me out, guys, we gotta do somethin'."
[/B]
[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/sam-jones/sam-jones-shooting.jpg[/img]
[B]'65, '68...
Russell: you gotta save us, Sam.
[/B]
[img]http://i2.hoopchina.com.cn/blogfile/201207/16/134241453748427.jpg[/img]
[B]Bailey Howell goes brutal, saves the day in the '68 playoffs over and over...[/B]

[img] http://www.nba.com/media/playoffs2004/historic_69_sam_jones_shot_grab.jpg[/img]
[B]Sam Jones saves the day {again, after again, again, again, again, and again} with the Picket Fence....
[/B]
[img]http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/don-nelson-boston-celtics-vintage-photos11-99-t4251728-170.jpg[/img]
[B]Don Nelson clanks in probably the luckiest Finals shot in NBA history in '69.[/B][/QUOTE]

Ah...Sam Jones...

How about this from Bill Russell, himself...

[url]http://www.celtic-nation.com/interviews/sam_jones/sam_jones_page1.htm[/url]

[QUOTE]

I wonder what sort of numbers Sam Jones would have put up on a worse team where he was the man. Are we talking West numbers? Because the dude is nearly forgotten today. Russell, Hondo and sometimes Cousy get mentioned. But Jones rarely does. Does he even get top 50 mention?

[QUOTE=Marchesk]I wonder what sort of numbers Sam Jones would have put up on a worse team where he was the man. Are we talking West numbers? Because the dude is nearly forgotten today. Russell, Hondo and sometimes Cousy get mentioned. But Jones rarely does. Does he even get top 50 mention?[/QUOTE]
dude was Top 50 with a ROCKET

[img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31xEvXGVcML.jpg[/img]

All players and coaches knew what he was.

Fearless, great defense, very very smart on the court, blazing fast until '68, amazing bank shot..... 10 rings.
I severely doubt Russell wins [B][I]any[/I][/B] rings in the '60s without Sam Jones.

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]Fearless, great defense, very very smart on the court, blazing fast until '68, amazing bank shot..... 10 rings.
I severely doubt Russell wins [B][I]any[/I][/B] rings in the '60s without Sam Jones.[/QUOTE]

If that's the case, then why is Hondo considered top 20-25 material, and not Jones?

[QUOTE=Marchesk]If that's the case, then why is Hondo considered top 20-25 material, and not Jones?[/QUOTE]

Probably because he led two more teams, post-Russell, to titles.

[QUOTE=Marchesk]If that's the case, then why is Hondo considered top 20-25 material, and not Jones?[/QUOTE]

He was silent, man. Nobody knows who he is. Very seldom gave interviews, avoided the limelight, hated glitz.

Never as great as Oscar Robertson or Jerry West..... but he was right behind them and always surrounded by great, great teams... STACKED teams.... and he was more than glad to make a bench guy shine when he got the hot hand.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Probably because he led two more teams, post-Russell, to titles.[/QUOTE]

yeah. Hondo ran things after those guys retired, for nearly a decade. He had some of the greatest seasons in history in the early '70s but even THAT is unknown.

Comparing Wilt and Russell with box score statistics is meaningless, and if anything takes away from the argument.

Regardless, you could give Russell an even better roster than he already had, and he still wouldn't win. Wilt made it his mission to win that year, and nobody stopped Wilt from getting what he wanted.

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]He was silent, man. Nobody knows who he is. Very seldom gave interviews, avoided the limelight, hated glitz.

Never as great as Oscar Robertson or Jerry West..... but he was right behind them and always surrounded by great, great teams... STACKED teams.... and he was more than glad to make a bench guy shine when he got the hot hand.[/QUOTE]

Hondo was a better player than Jones. Jones was a great shooter that could fit well into almost any system, but Hondo could do it all, on top of being one of the best perimeter defenders ever.

So he won once against Russell, big fvcking deal. :whatever:

Russell owned his ass so many times I'd believe Russ if he said he took pity on the poor fella. :yaohappy:

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]dude was Top 50 with a ROCKET

[img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31xEvXGVcML.jpg[/img]

All players and coaches knew what he was.

Fearless, great defense, very very smart on the court, blazing fast until '68, amazing bank shot..... 10 rings.
[SIZE="5"]I severely doubt Russell wins [B][I]any[/I][/B] rings in the '60s without Sam Jones[/SIZE].[/QUOTE]

Russell himself is Sam Jones' biggest fan, and as indicated by the statement presented by Laz above, was critical to the Celtics success, but I cannot agree with this statement. Sam Jones was not a dominant playoff contributor until 1962. That's when his legend began. The '60 and '61 titles were won with him basically playing a Mario Chalmers' type role.

Wilt sucks. Wish he was never a laker

[QUOTE=JohnMax]Does Bill Russell have stans?[/QUOTE]
yes. a guy named G.O.A.T in this forum.

oh and Wilt >> Russell

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]11 vs 2.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

/thread

[QUOTE=AnaheimLakers24]Wilt sucks. Wish he was never a laker[/QUOTE]

So no 33 game win streak, no beating Kareem's Bucks, no winning the title that year. West retires without a ring. Nice.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome][quote=Uncle Drew]
11 vs 2.[/quote]

:applause:

/thread[/QUOTE]

10 vs 6

[QUOTE=jlip]Russell himself is Sam Jones' biggest fan, and as indicated by the statement presented by Laz above, was critical to the Celtics success, but I cannot agree with this statement. Sam Jones was not a dominant playoff contributor until 1962. That's when his legend began. The '60 and '61 titles were won with him basically playing a Mario Chalmers' type role.[/QUOTE]

yeah maybe so.

OP is one of the few posters who deserve smacking to death.

It's been years you idiot. Call it quits. Stop. No-one ever will care Wilt in a way you want from us. Stop!!!