would an average HS player beat cousy 1v1 ?

real talk.

Who is Cousy?

[QUOTE=Kuantrz]Who is Cousy?[/QUOTE]

a janitor who used to work at the celtics arena.

Hard to say. Can this average high school player dribble with both hands, without looking at the ball?

No. The average HSer could not beat a HoFer with 6 rings.

This place gets dumber by the minute.

Nothing funny about disrespecting the legends of the past that paved the way. Lame shit. There would be no Magic, Stockton, etc. without people like Cousy. Show some f*cking respect.

[QUOTE=KirbyPls]Hard to say. Can this average high school player dribble with both hands, without looking at the ball?[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll:

You guys are like the people who disrespect the BB Kings and Robert Johnsons because you like slash.

yes

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]You guys are like the people who disrespect the BB Kings and Robert Johnsons because you like slash.[/QUOTE]

That doesn't even make sense...BB King's techniques are much more modern than Robert Johnson's. .

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xa6546ixc[/url]

A high school player against Cousy would look much the same against Cousy as they would against Jason Williams, Steve Nash, Magic Johnson or Pete Maravich.

Because those are examples of players that borrowed major elements of Cousy's game. Cousy would make high school players of any era look retarded. Cousy regularly threw passes and made plays that would make any professional look stupid in any era, let alone high school kids. Even that 1950's rules way he dribbles or shoots only looks funny until you realize you still can't steal it out of his hands and he's still getting to every single place on the floor he wants to with impunity, and he's still sinking those push shots or driving around you if you guard him too close.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xa6546ixc[/url]

A high school player against Cousy would look much the same against Cousy as they would against Jason Williams, Steve Nash, Magic Johnson or Pete Maravich.

Because those are examples of players that borrowed major elements of Cousy's game. Cousy would make high school players of any era look retarded. Cousy regularly threw passes and made plays that would make any professional look stupid in any era, let alone high school kids. Even that 1950's rules way he dribbles or shoots only looks funny until you realize you still can't steal it out of his hands and he's still getting to every single place on the floor he wants to with impunity, and he's still sinking those push shots or driving around you if you guard him too close.[/QUOTE]

Wow, amazing assists. Didn't expect that honestly. :cheers:

[QUOTE=Smoke117]That doesn't even make sense...BB King's techniques are much more modern than Robert Johnson's. .[/QUOTE]
Ok just Robert Johnson then...

Point is, a lot of kids who hate on the 60s are the ones who wouldn't respect pioneers like the guys I mentioned.

no but a top hs player can

yes, maybe even middle schoolers depending on how tall kids are these days.

That Cousy dude always looks like it was his first ever day playing basketball in his "highlights"

playing with what rules? 60s?
Cousy would punch the boy and let him go home crying. back then bb was brutal.

and no, not even without physical play, he wouldnt beat him.

[QUOTE=L.A. Jazz]playing with what rules? 60s?
Cousy would punch the boy and let him go home crying. back then bb was brutal.

and no, not even without physical play, he wouldnt beat him.[/QUOTE]

cousy throwing a punch with his hand eye coordination :lol cousy has the IQ to know that he'd get himself injured trying an athletic move like that :roll:

[QUOTE=Smoke117]That doesn't even make sense...BB King's techniques are much more modern than Robert Johnson's. .[/QUOTE]
The f*ck does that have to do with his point?


Also, if nobody can play like Johnson then why does 'more modern' matter?

:facepalm

Pretty sure some of the overweight basement dwellers from ISH would put up a fight against him.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xa6546ixc[/url]

A high school player against Cousy would look much the same against Cousy as they would against Jason Williams, Steve Nash, Magic Johnson or Pete Maravich.

Because those are examples of players that borrowed major elements of Cousy's game. Cousy would make high school players of any era look retarded. Cousy regularly threw passes and made plays that would make any professional look stupid in any era, let alone high school kids. Even that 1950's rules way he dribbles or shoots only looks funny until you realize you still can't steal it out of his hands and he's still getting to every single place on the floor he wants to with impunity, and he's still sinking those push shots or driving around you if you guard him too close.[/QUOTE]

I always hate it when someone beats me 1on1 with their passing.

[QUOTE=warriorfan]I always hate it when someone beats me 1on1 with their passing.[/QUOTE]My brother used to kill me with the play-action in one-on-one football.

My defensive awareness rating as a 3rd grader was 4.

Once again, ISH picks the wrong player to make fun of... a highlight reel of Cousy's passes and other spectacular moves looks just as impressive as would one from Pete Maravich, Jason Williams or Ricky Rubio, except Cousy was doing it before everybody else in the league. Based on a tiny, tiny sample of Cousy's playing career, there are several passes I'd never seen before except in streetball. He's looking like a top 10 machine out there.

By the way, Cousy did have the ability to change hands dribbling the ball (to accuse Bob Cousy of all people of lacking ball control was always a bit dumb... as if a genius with the ball in his hands couldn't do some of the most basic things I can teach a kid to do in two minutes) Not just that, but random highlights show him pulling more advanced moves like a quick spin or a perfect behind-the-back dribble to lose his defender in transition. Those were evidently nothing to him.

Oh, and the very next [I]second[/I] in that much ridiculed clip of Cousy involves a crisp switch from left to right hand, followed by an impossibly gorgeous pass.

Not sure how his scoring translates to today's NBA as it all depends on what his jumpshot would look like... but the passing? I'd be very surprised if he wasn't at the very least Ricky Rubio on offense.

[QUOTE=Rake2204]My brother used to kill me with the play-action in one-on-one football.

My defensive awareness rating as a 3rd grader was 4.[/QUOTE]

Let me guess, he used to yell "think fast!" as well? :oldlol:

The way they officiated traveling back then would mean no one would constantly palm the ball like they do today. Being able to gather all the time makes the game look much better aesthetically, but true skill is only obtained by following the rule book to a tee.

[QUOTE=Brook(lyn)Lopez]The way they officiated traveling back then would mean no one would constantly palm the ball like they do today. Being able to gather all the time makes the game look much better aesthetically, but true skill is only obtained by following the rule book to a tee.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. It was a palming violation back then unless your hand was 100% on top of ball. Then they changed it to make game faster and more entertaining and now players literally palm the ball the majority of the time.

To answer question OP, Cousy would be an elite NBA point guard in today's league. So no.

I'd rock Cousy if he tried playing rough. Not only that, I'd drop 25 on him in 10 minutes, then go have dinner at his family's house and take a dump without flushing. I had the same skill set Cousy had at age 12.

I played vs older guys plenty of times in the past. And like some of you, I confused 'style' over substance.

I'd look at their style and how they played and simply figured I'd crush them with my more modern crossover and moves.

Big mistake

They were older and their style may have been different, but they knew how to use their body to keep me away. They were smart enough to understand angles and anticipation on defense.

Not to say I didn't get mine from time to time, but it wasn't the walk in the park I thought it'd be.

Forward 10+ years and now Im the old man in the park playing younger guys with fancier moves.

I gets mine.

Basketball when you break it down is very basic. YES some moves and ball handling have advanced, but at the end of the day, it doesn't make up a large part of the game. Athleticism doesn't become a large part of the game.

Hate to sound like the old fart around, but it comes down to basic basketball and fundamentals.

Even if you truly analyze basketball from today you'll see that about 80% of it hasn't truly changed, and athleticism isn't as huge of a factor.

[QUOTE=Brook(lyn)Lopez]The way they officiated traveling back then would mean no one would constantly palm the ball like they do today. Being able to gather all the time makes the game look much better aesthetically, but true skill is only obtained by following the rule book to a tee.[/QUOTE]

They called carry on Allen Iverson in his very first NBA game and AI wasn't even that bad compared to modern guards who change direction mid dribble with a carry. Someone like Durant also carries all the time.

It takes a lot more skill to do a crossover like Tim Hardaway did it, using body fakes, than the modern crossover which is called 'hesitation' but in reality is mainly just a carry.

In real life, it is very easy to see when someone carries on dribbles but of course it isn't called in streetball. We used to call carry on guys back in the 90s in practice too.

Allen Iverson basically changed the game, because he continued to do his crossover carry and eventually the refs decided that they wouldn't call him on it. That led to everyone doing it. AI was one of the most influential players of all time, also with his thug persona and tattoos. Not for the better if you ask me, but you can't deny he changed the league for good.

[QUOTE=andgar923]I played vs older guys plenty of times in the past. And like some of you, I confused 'style' over substance.

I'd look at their style and how they played and simply figured I'd crush them with my more modern crossover and moves.

Big mistake

They were older and their style may have been different, but they knew how to use their body to keep me away. They were smart enough to understand angles and anticipation on defense.

Not to say I didn't get mine from time to time, but it wasn't the walk in the park I thought it'd be.

Forward 10+ years and now Im the old man in the park playing younger guys with fancier moves.

I gets mine.

Basketball when you break it down is very basic. YES some moves and ball handling have advanced, but at the end of the day, it doesn't make up a large part of the game. Athleticism doesn't become a large part of the game.

Hate to sound like the old fart around, but it comes down to basic basketball and fundamentals.

Even if you truly analyze basketball from today you'll see that about 80% of it hasn't truly changed, and athleticism isn't as huge of a factor.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

Old stiff guys like us need to be economical with our movement which leads to stripping away unecessary showboating.

You look at MJ as an example, he actually was not a 'flashy' dribbler, his moves were all about weight distribution, getting your opponent to put his weight on one foot then going the other way.

Sometimes in streetball I like to dribble one handed up and down like Cousy, hand literally on top of the ball, then some anxious player will think I have no handle and reach for it, then I just quickly do a crossover and goodbye. You reach, I teach.

[QUOTE=AirTupac]I'd rock Cousy if he tried playing rough. Not only that, I'd drop 25 on him in 10 minutes, then go have dinner at his family's house and take a dump without flushing. I had the same skill set Cousy had at age 12.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

[QUOTE=AirTupac]I'd rock Cousy if he tried playing rough. Not only that, I'd drop 25 on him in 10 minutes, then go have dinner at his family's house and take a dump without flushing.[B] I had the same skill set Cousy had at age 12.[/B][/QUOTE]

So you are as good as Cousy was when he was 12? Sounds about right.

To answer your question, if the people on ISH are as good as they say they are they should be able to beat an average HS player 1v1. I known I can. And I know I would not beat Cousy 1v1 given that we are playing 60s era rules which is only fair.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xa6546ixc[/url]

A high school player against Cousy would look much the same against Cousy as they would against Jason Williams, Steve Nash, Magic Johnson or Pete Maravich.

Because those are examples of players that borrowed major elements of Cousy's game. Cousy would make high school players of any era look retarded. Cousy regularly threw passes and made plays that would make any professional look stupid in any era, let alone high school kids. Even that 1950's rules way he dribbles or shoots only looks funny until you realize you still can't steal it out of his hands and he's still getting to every single place on the floor he wants to with impunity, and he's still sinking those push shots or driving around you if you guard him too close.[/QUOTE]


the play at 1:39 shows how awful basketball was back then

[QUOTE=90sgoat]:applause:

Old stiff guys like us need to be economical with our movement which leads to stripping away unecessary showboating.

You look at MJ as an example, he actually was not a 'flashy' dribbler, his moves were all about weight distribution, getting your opponent to put his weight on one foot then going the other way.

Sometimes in streetball I like to dribble one handed up and down like Cousy, hand literally on top of the ball, then some anxious player will think I have no handle and reach for it, then I just quickly do a crossover and goodbye. You reach, I teach.[/QUOTE]

Shut up old man. You teach, and I come back and block your ass, go on the fastbreak and dunk on your team with your whole family watching in joy that I just ate your heart out.

[QUOTE=Timmy D for MVP]So you are as good as Cousy was when he was 12? Sounds about right.

To answer your question, if the people on ISH are as good as they say they are they should be able to beat an average HS player 1v1. I known I can. And I know I would not beat Cousy 1v1 given that we are playing 60s era rules which is only fair.[/QUOTE]

Youre just lucky that I wasn't in the 60's. Otherwise you would be saying "Theres no way I could beat AirTupac, he was a legend in the 60's"

[QUOTE=swagga]real talk.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

[QUOTE=avonbarksdale]the play at 1:39 shows how awful basketball was back then[/QUOTE]

I see that happen in the NBA now. Just in full HD.

Cousy basically retired in 1963.

This guy was playing high school basketball shortly after that...

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ[/url]

How many average high school kids could beat this 6-5 guy today?

OP is single-handedly keeping AHRC in business :bowdown:

[quote] would an average HS player beat cousy 1v1 ?[/quote]

should the average mother of those who make stupid posts on ISH have swallowed instead?