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All this and two picks this year.:cheers:
Depth quality every year.
Well done Masai.
Assuming the picks fall in the 7 and 20 range
1) Jakob Poeltl ? German Center playing in Utah iirc.
2) Buddy Hield ? Sr playing on Oklahoma... saw some games of his last year and the guy looks like a complete package...
..or do you think the two picks are a package to move up ?
..or do you think the two picks are a package to buy someone?
Yeah I love that Bargnani pick, we get the spot of whoever has a better record of Denver and Knicks.
They both could finish bottom 4-8, and we know the raps tend not to have any higher a 1st rounder when it's their own pick anyways
Poeltl is Austrian actually.
Just noted some clips on a couple of guys I hope the Raps get a"good look at" come draft time.
1) Demetrius Jackson the heir apparent as a Notre Dame PG ... ND should get some press coverage in Toronto .. have to look for more highlights on the Utube.
2) Stephen Zimmerman from UNLV program. Note sure he will declare depending on depth of draft but 7 foot stretch bigs are all the rage right now so he should find himself in 1st round demand if he does declare.
Or maybe just draft for blood lines...
Sabonis and Gary Paton 2nd :cheers:
Raptors will own the lower valued pick of Denver/Knicks this year as well, so it's likely that along with their own pick, there could be a top 10 pick, or at least a late lottery pick.
Targets that could fit this roster:
Late Lottery: Ivan Rabb, Justin Jackson, Domantas Sabonis, Furkan Korkmaz.
Raptors Pick (early 20s?): Stephen Zimmerman, Caris Lavert, Buddy Hield, Tim Quarterman.
Personally, if all those names were available, I'd select Ivan Rabb and then see who the best shooter is left from the 20s.
Or perhaps trade both and get into the top 5 for a chance at Jaylen Brown or Brandon Ingram.
[QUOTE=Chamberlain]
Or perhaps trade both and get into the top 5 for a chance at Jaylen Brown or Brandon Ingram.[/QUOTE]
:cheers: we can dream...
I don't think 7 & 20 = 1 or 2 but it depends on circumstances. Philly hardly needs more "1st rounders with potential". They probably need and impact kid and or a few vets.
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You didn't actually say it but perhaps the raptors could combine picks (circa) 7, 20, Tross, Bruno and or some other pieces....
...for the 2nd overall pick of the 2007 draft
I'm dreaming I suppose...
I suspect it would take more than that, but it's an interesting thought.
DeRozan would almost certainly have to be involved, and I'm not sure how OKC would feel about pairing him with Westbrook.
[QUOTE=Chamberlain]
DeRozan would almost certainly have to be involved, and I'm not sure how OKC would feel about pairing him with Westbrook.[/QUOTE]
Assuming he would actually consider Toronto ...which is a big big if...
1) wants to win
2) wants to win a championship
3) wants to win more than 1 championship
4) wants to be surrounded by quality players so the burden is not on one set of shoulders.
I think the only way it gets done is by sign and trade. Get the max in Oklahoma and then trade the pieces to fit. Further there is no way Toronto would be a consideration for a talent that large if Derozan / Klow / Val were not a part of the roster after he arrived.
So a sign and trade (if even possible) probably needs drafts (2), future drafts (insert x), promising talent like Bruno, and perhaps established money on the court to "bridge the salary dollars".
So update:
Various speculation boards around the 'internet thingy' are updated with March Madness approaching.
Most Boards still see the Raptors first pick (by way of Denver) matched up against 7'0 Centre UNLV [B]Steve Zimmerman[/B].
Now I like (the little) I have seen of Zimmerman (utube and clips). Even with Jonus and Bebe I think that Zimmerman would be a solid pick.
I simply doubt he will be around as pre-draft predictions generally seem to under value the fact that big men climb up the ranking at actual draft time.
Our excellent record has us falling down the order into the late 20's with our own pick in the first round.
Guy that intrigues me is [B]Dwayne Bacon[/B] SG from Florida State (I think or maybe Miami) I have not seen him play I admit. Explosive 2 from the consensus predictions. Frankly a pick to light a little fire under Tross arse as well....
Furthermore - doesn't a guy named Dwayne Bacon seem a natural fit for Canada's team ??? :cheers:
Bump....
March Madness about to start !
SI.com has their Mock 1.0 pre tournament ; frankly I am less than impressed. I don't think this one is close more darts than journalism but my prediction record is way off anyway so what the h e double hockey sticks
[url]http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/11/nba-mock-draft-ncaa-tournament-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram[/url]
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Names
With the first pick names thrown around are: (1) [B]Rabb[/B] from Cal (2) [B]Hield[/B] from Oklahoma may be in range (3) [B]Sabonis [/B]from Gonz... and (I think) son of the Portland great...
Chamberlain mentioned Rabb - have not seen his game. Will have to u tube it.
[B]Zimmerman[/B] from UNLV has taken a large dip down the rankings to the mid teens and I had not read any derogatory articles... don't know why.
Our season performance is moving us into late 20s for our actual pick ; obviously going to be a prospect.
[B]Gary Patton 2[/B] sounds like a match ; still intrigued by having a player named Dwayne Bacon on the only [COLOR="Red"][B]Canadian[/B][/COLOR] team
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The one caveat in my opinion is that Mock Drafts tend to under rank bigs fairly consistently. Despite some thrilling GM moves from time to time (TRoss instead of Drummond comes to mind) ~ on draft day bigs seem to rise up. i.e. you cant teach size.
Brice Johnson (6'9, 225lbs, UNC) would be a nick pick.
Still can't believe Ujiri got a lottery pick for Bargnani:roll:
Another Mock from SI.
I am not sure the guys on this are up to the task. There is so much wrong with this I cant begin....
But then my track record is hardly steller.
Until the main stream guys like Rob Mahoney post their mocks... I will lay off posting SI.com
[url]http://www.si.com/nba/2016/04/01/nba-mock-draft-brandon-ingram-ben-simmons-dragan-bender[/url]
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The situation is no clearer now although with the winning record we are looking to pick 10th and 27th - not 7th and 20 - something- ish
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Hield keeps moving up the rankings post NCAA tourney and is out of our range.
Zimmerman keeps dropping "a lot" and based on mocks may drop out of the 1st round.
(A bit surprising to me but then I think Mock drafts miss the mark in undervaluing big men. There is a lot of analysis on upside for shooting guards, point guards, etc but you cant teach size. Team generally grab size higher than mocks).
[B]The Knicks Pick:[/B]
Poetl the "Austrian not German" is still in range after a mediocre NCAA jaunt.
Rabb as well seemingly.
[B]The lower pick :[/B]
A bit of final hangover here. Not sure the Raps automatically opt in for two guys who looked good in the finals....
Damion Jones Vanderbilt... hmmm
Brice Johnson Tar Heals...hmmm
...if Taureen Prince from Baylor falls lower ...or we could move up for a cash and 2nd rounder type deal.... liked what I saw in the tourny including his "quote"
[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Taurean-Prince-65231/[/url]
[QUOTE=Jballer]
[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Taurean-Prince-65231/[/url][/QUOTE]
Hield is definitely out of range now.
Poetl is talented, but is probably too stiff & mechanical.
Rabb is nice.
My prediction (down for posterity sake):
If [B]I. Rabb [/B]is not available by the time of our first selection...
Raptors "trade down" or "draft and swap" to get [B]Brice Johnson[/B] NC Power Forward. Utah or Phoenix are the other team in the swap at positions 12/13.
I think he is a senior with maturity. Our success with Tar Heels picks has been pretty good over the years. Solid program. Skilled player at a need position.
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2nd pick in the first round : [B]Taurean Prince[/B] Baylor.
[B]I Rabb[/B] declares out of draft - back to school
:cheers:
SI.com 3.0
[url]http://www.si.com/nba/2016/05/06/nba-mock-draft-2016-lottery-brandon-ingram-ben-simmons[/url]
A "lot of movement" and some speculation in here. Mind you I am no good at perfectly forecasting the draft so why not.
[B]Taureen Prince[/B] is rising probably to the middle of the pack where we don't pick.
[B]Brice Johnson [/B] is holding just above where we do pick with our own.
[B]Jaylen Brown[/B] - Cal is forecast in this mock to fall down to 9 - wow.
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I guess the Management pick the best possible athlete any position in the 7 - 8 - 9 spot.
See if you can trade out of the very bottom of the 1st round to grab a Taureen for example. They tried to move up the year they took Bruno to grab both Bruno and the Canadian PG kid from Syracuse (name ??)
[QUOTE=Jballer]
Raptors "trade down" or "draft and swap" to get [B]Brice Johnson[/B] NC Power Forward. Utah or Phoenix are the other team in the swap at positions 12/13.
I think he is a senior with maturity. Our success with Tar Heels picks has been pretty good over the years. Solid program. Skilled player at a need position.
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2nd pick in the first round : [B]Taurean Prince[/B] Baylor.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jballer]
See if you can trade out of the very bottom of the 1st round to grab a Taureen for example. They tried to move up the year they took Bruno to grab both Bruno and the Canadian PG kid from Syracuse (name ??)[/QUOTE]
I definitely like trading down (or even up). There are a lot of promising players this year.
Depending on what Masai thinks he can accomplish, once other teams start guessing, moving up or down might be really beneficial.
Brice Johnson is nice...like his game...could be a good fit.
Jaylen Brown is too much of a project, imo, for the 9th pick. His talent is crazy, though.
Reminds me a lot of DD's college reportoire.
Tyler Ennis (Syracuse)...good prospect...will hopefully show what he can do on MIL next year.
[QUOTE=@JLew1050]"[I]The only team in the last 25 years to make a Conference Final & draft in top-10 in the same season: 2003 Pistons (drafted Darko Milicic 2nd)
11:12 AM - 17 May 2016[/I]"[/QUOTE]
What a season!
64-32 (so far), & 2 1st round picks....including a lottery pick??!
More updates from a pretty reliable site.
[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/[/url]
[U]Top pick.[/U]
[B]Deyonta Davis[/B] is a new name to Raptor mocks. Spartan power forward. I almost view this prediction as a "safer pick for positional need" ...
...whereas I might speculate about Poetl the Austrian or Brice Johnson the PF from NC (who is ranked 29 here ??).
[U]Our pick :[/U]
Another completely new name to me:
[B]Juan Hernangomez[/B] - Spain. PF or 4/3 tweener.
No doubt we have good scouting in Spain and lots of (good) history with Spanish Players.
I have no idea about this player myself but it sounds "a lot" like [B]Bruno[/B] who we already have in the 905ers....so I doubt it.
Would a Spanish player bring back the "Bargnani Fans to our forum" or were those guys Italian ?
[U]Other notes:[/U]
I think this list undervalues big men again...where as the draft tends to actually elevate them. i.e. you cant teach size.
Diamond Stone and Steve Zimmerman are both projected as 2nd rounders. My suspicion is they both get picked up late first round.
That would leave open talent in the PG SG positions. Masai would probably pick there.
New updates... hind sight is 20 / 20
[url]http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/03/nba-mock-draft-76ers-lakers-celtics-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram[/url]
# 9 Jakob Poetl the Austrian Center
< because we loose Biz to free agency >
..."Skal Labissiere or Henry Ellenson could makes sense here as well, but Poeltl is better than either one, and ready to help now."
# 27 Patrick McCaw UNLV
New on the 1st round boards... evidently an upside talent guard lacking a 3 point shot...
Consensus draft 2016 is out at draft.net
[url]http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_mock_drafts/consensus[/url]
#9 Dom Sabonis..
I actually like this call. I liked his Dad all those years in Portland... Draft bloodlines usually work out - not always - but you get a productive player.. he is Lithuanian and should gel in the front court with Jonus having played with him in International Ball.
#27 Demetrius Jackson - PG Notre Dame
Maybe... but frankly at this point in the draft choosing the guy with the most upside (Bruno) is the call. Point Guard wise its the last position we need and there is likely other with more upside.
Sabonis is only working out for 4 teams...
Boston / Utah / Pheonix (all with multiple picks IIRC) ...
Toronto.
Hmmm
[B]Rationale to Trade Down: [/B]
The 2016 draft class is about to be the source of the best contracts in the NBA. They are the last rookie class locked into the scaled deals of this salary cap, the very salary cap that is about to increase to over $90 million.
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So do you think Masai is working to trade down ?
Is number 9 worth the bottom end picks (i.e. 2 ) from Philly / Boston / Phoenix ?
Given where we are in CAP space is it better to see if old Bryan Colangelo will part with numbers 24 and 26 (and then our 27) for 9 over all ??
Hmm...
What if you think you could get say...
Juan Hermangomez Spain - Demetrius Jackson PG Notre Dame - and Brice Johnson Duke ...
(assuming those guys are actually available)
Pretty interesting nucleus with Bruno and Bebe... could be the 'potential Eastern Conference semi finalist in 2021 if you could add some more as well... 2 picks next year
Bleacher reports final or close to D Day.
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2647565-nba-mock-draft-2016-bold-predictions-for-1st-round-prospects[/url]
Poetl comes up.
I seriously have doubts about this being true.
Not withstanding the likelihood we big man Biz... there is still Val and Bebe in the pipeline.
I just don't see Masai / Dwayne being after another traditional big in a pace and gun game. Especially as traditional bigs are like 5 year projects.
If we don't trade the pick Sabonis is the guy I want.
Ask and yee shall receive.
:cheers:
Final BLRPT by Wasserman... a guy well connected and close to the mark
9 ) Sabonis
27) Michael Gbinije - Nigerian playing in Syc with the Orangemen. Stretch pick of a "player impressive in combines".
I would prefer Taureen Prince (SF) o[B]r especially Demetrius Jackson (PG) - Notre Dame[/B] if he falls to us... can't have too many mature PGs.
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2647672-2016-nba-mock-draft-jonathan-wassermans-final-2-round-predictions/page/10[/url]
I think we can now officially call Sabonis a Lock....
With the 9th overall selection in the NBA 2016 draft the Toronto Raptors select
[B] Domantas Sabonis (Gonzaga, PF/C, Sophomore)[/B]
[QUOTE=Jballer][B] Sabonis (Gonzaga, PF/C, Sophomore)[/B][/QUOTE]
nice prospect.
still hoping Marquese Chriss falls to #9
NICE DRAFT
man, next playoffs im pledging to make an ISH forum sign to recruit raptors fans
[QUOTE=Jballer]I think we can now officially call Sabonis a Lock....
With the 9th overall selection in the NBA 2016 draft the Toronto Raptors select
[B] Domantas Sabonis (Gonzaga, PF/C, Sophomore)[/B][/QUOTE]
WRONG :cheers:
Si.com
Grade B+
With Bismack Biyombo likely priced out from a return to Toronto, the center position became a need for the Raptors. They should be poised for another playoff run, and found some pro-ready help at No. 9 in Poeltl, whose back to the basket skills and size make him a nice asset. He likely can
Si.com
Grade C+
Siakam was extremely productive at New Mexico State last season, but was projected as a second-rounder. He
Well it goes to prove you never know as much as you think you know.
I admit I have not seen any of our two picks in action.
General reaction is "good - nice - solid" but no spectacular steals from the professional scribes. No "steals" fell our way evidently.
Poetl ~
I admit to being luke warm to the pick. Big men take time to develop especially in D and I don't think Poetl has the reputation of being a big rim protector jumping out of his shoes. He is a 5 by design and supposedly a 4 in the show potentially. It comes across as a "safe pick" with Bismak out the door... a continuation but not necessarily an improvement.
With Ellerson from Marquette still on the board...someone who's name was linked as potentially tied to the Raps... well the proven scoring forward maybe seemed the better pick...if they could have traded down.
Siakam ~
No idea... I will trust to Masai and the brain trust.
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To the point maybe its too bad the OKC trade didn't work out or that another trade down could have been done....
Frankly if it mean some Cap space came our way somehow - I would have been thrilled with Brice Johnson - Duke in around 25 ...
So all this
Norman Powell
Bruno
Bebe
Poetl
Siakam
Delon Wright
D'Andre Daniels <<...remember him ? Playing in Australia as I recall but had elbow surgery.... no updates in a long time...>>
and [B]2 Draft picks next year[/B] projected to be 25 / 26
The Toronto Raptors selected University of Utah forward-centre Jakob Poeltl (YAH-cub PUHR-tuhl) with the ninth overall pick and New Mexico State forward Pascal Siakam (Pass-CAL See-AH-kum) with the 27th overall selection in the 2016 NBA Draft.
Poeltl, 7-foot, 248 pounds, played two seasons at Utah and one season (2013-14) for the Arkadia Traiskirchen Lions in his native Austria. He was the 2016 Pac-12 Player of the Year, an AP second-team All-America and the recipient of the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award for the nation's top centre. Poeltl averaged 17.2 points (second in the Pac-12), 9.1 rebounds (fourth in the conference) and 1.6 blocks (eighth in the Pac-12) in 36 games this past season. He ranked first in the Pac-12 and seventh in the nation in field goal percentage (.646). As a freshman, he contributed 9.1 points, 6.8 rebounds and 1.9 blocks in 34 contests. He earned Pac-12 All-Freshman team honours and was named to the CBSSports.com Freshman All-American team. He led the conference and ranked fourth in the nation in field goal percentage (.681).
This is the second season the Raptors have used a first-round selection on a player from Utah. Poeltl played the 2014-15 season with Delon Wright, the Raptors